#taking fucking talking points from STAN TWITTER

[beautifulpersonpeach]

you said

I'll admit, these days I'm a bit disconnected from the fandom and don't keep up with jikook and/or BTS as much as I used to,

pardon my impertinence but what happened? me myself i don't feel safe in the fandom anymore but i still stay for jikook. what made you disconnected from bts and the fandom when you used to be one of the most prolific army writers here? i know your work got busy but is that the only thing? forgive my impertinence again but you don't even look excited about jikook some times. i've sent you many asks about ays and jikook that you haven't answered. you don't have to answer but i miss your perspectives and if there's a reason you don't feel connected to army or bts or jikook anymore i hope you can share it with us.

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Ask 2:

I miss you around here BPP. My asks about BTS and jikook have gone unanswered for what feels like months and while I know your work has gotten very busy I still selfishly want you back here with us being active.

I hope you're well and haven't forgotten about us your tumblr fam 😭

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I'm still here guys. But I'll take this ask to rant and ramble and hopefully answer all related questions about the future of BPP.

(Anon in ask 2, I'm sorry to you and everyone who still frequents this blog because, well...)

Idk what to say except that I can't fake it. I can't fake enthusiasm when I feel none. Is this so shocking? I mean, y'all have to be a bit fatigued as well, no?

I've been in the fandom for something like 10 years, and lately nothing here has changed except for the worse - the predictable kind - the sort I've been talking about since I opened this blog five years ago.

Just this past week, I logged onto Twitter and saw --

Discourse about how Yoongi limping meant he has liver disease.

People talking about how a mentally ill (untreated but employed) diet solo wrote a fan fiction book about Jungkook and is selling it for US$25 + tax.

Discourse about Jungkook's painted nails - some people reaching past Timbuktu to explain why his nail colours couldn't possibly have anything to do with jikook, while another part of the fandom talking about nothing else except that his nail colours are proof jikook are a couple.

Taekookers claiming a 'k-source' has proof taekook fucked 69 in a hot tub in Gangnam as soon as they completed military service and left the BigHit building last month.

Chartmys already drawing up goals for the PTD live album and pegging it against solo album achievements.

Taesoothe and her crew of shooters oscillating between dragging other groups/fandoms and defending Bang Sihyuk as more allegations come out.

Excessive levels of fangirling bordering on outright obsessive worship of any of the members...

Among the myriad of solo filth, conspiracies, discourse, and overall braindead chatter that's normal for k-pop fandoms. And not just in the usual insane pockets of ARMY twitter, but in (previously) somewhat 'normal' ARMY spaces as well...

The discourse is tired and so predictable you can set your watch to it. By this point, we know all the players, the teams, and the tactics. None of this 'discourse' is new and I've written my fair share of posts getting into the weeds with everyone else. I'm not saying this to claim I'm better than anyone else, just that before I didn't mind digging into this discourse because a lot of people were new to k-pop/BTS/jikook and genuinely didn't really understand how things work here.

Also, BTS was releasing good music, actually good music, and that made spending time in this madhouse tolerable to tell you the truth. The last time I liked anything released by BTS was Mona Lisa, which wasn't too long ago tbf, but the last time I loved anything released was RPWP. Over a year ago. That's the fuel that's kept me coming here, kept me logging into Tumblr, Twitter, and k-forums... and I'm overdue for a refueling.

When I say the main reason I stanned BTS and remain involved with all this is the music, I really do mean it. The members are good people, I care for jikook, Joon, Hobi, Jin, Tae, and Yoongi, but the main reason I give them my money, attention, and invest in the fandom and in their company is the music they make. If that starts going to shit, nobody could pay me enough to continue giving a fuck. I'll likely liquidate my investment in HYBE and cash out.

Respectfully.

All this to say, I'm still here... not jumping ship yet.

I see your asks and I try to answer a few (lately I've been trying to be more consistent out of respect for the followers that still somehow come to this cobwebbed patch of the internet), but I also don't feel interested (or fueled) enough to actively engage the way I used to. Not even the most explicit jikookery in AYS2 will change how I feel if there's no decent music on the back of it. I guess this settles the question on if I'm really a jikooker after all lmao.

Anyway, I'm here still kinda answering asks and patiently holding out until the guys release new music, maybe later this year and definitely next year. Cautiously watching and hoping that Scooter's fingerprint is on as few songs as possible because at this point, I've seen what he can deliver and want none of it.

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In the meantime, to answer the asks about AYS2 the fact is I'm not all that excited and this should be unsurprising for older followers of my blog given what I've said before about BTS auxiliary content like SOOP or, more recently, AYS. I like jikook so I'll probably still watch it and might even love it, but until it comes out I have nothing to say about it. I have no hopes or expectations or wishlists for AYS because it's not the sort of content that appeals to me anyway. I'd feel a bit differently if it was a GCF, but editorially and functionally, it's not. So there's that.

[ladystoneshart]

random asoiaf social media headcanons:

dany would make those left wing politics/pet grooming videos on tiktok. think like "come trim my bearded dragons nails while we talk about what's happenning in meeren right now" she actulaly studies international politics and has experience with activism so the videos are genuinely informative but she still gets canceled multiple times for, amongst other things: coming from a rich family, abusing her exotic pets (she takes really good care of them) and having a weird boyfriend (more than once).

ramsay kinda blows up on tiktok for making weird and off-putting videos showing his torture basement and bone collection or some shit. everyone thinks it's an elaborate bit but then someone clocks one of his bones as an actual human tibia and people start investigating him on tiktok until the police gets involved. turns out he was an actual serial killer and straight up keeping a girl trapped in his basement. true crime girlies go absolutely nuts over his case and if you open tiktok right now you will see at least 5 different videos talking about it with that fuckass creepy music sound.

myranda royce makes those water mixing tiktoks (you know the ones people put a bunch of random syrups and like red bull in their water to make it "taste good" to the point it can barely be considered water anymore?) while talking about REAL LIFE GOSSIP without bothering to change any names. the only reason she hasn't gotten in trouble for that yet is because she is god's favourite.

jaime makes work out instagram reels on his local gym that are actually barely disguised thirst traps. brienne goes to the same gym as him and gets endlessly annoyed by his bullshit because all his "training advice" is fucking terrible and "uhm some people are ACTUALLY trying to work out here mr. prince charming so if you could PLEASE do this somewhere else I think we would ALL apreciate it" so he starts including her in his videos so she can give some actual work out tips while he just flexes his muscles and tries to look sexy in the background. 99% of his followers are gay men (but he starts getting some queer girls after brienne starts showing up).

I've already talked about cersei being a right-wing grifter/complete menace online but I think that would lead her to becoming this sort of problematic gay icon because she suffers from donald trump disease (simultaneously the worst and funniest person on planet earth). her insane remarks combined with astronomical levels of slay factor turn her into a stan twitter meme (think like a karla sofía gascón or trisha paytas hybrid monster) and she amassess a huge "ironic" following composed of people trying to goad her into (another) mental break down on instagram live and lesbians who are convinced they could fix her if she would just give them a chance (they could NOT). people make thinkpieces on twitter about how you shouldn't interect with her even as a joke because she's clearly a VERY mentally ill woman who thrives on attention but it's no use she's simply too slay to be ignored by the gays.

varys is just deuxmoi.

[bartsugsy]

You've probably answered an ask like this before because you've been watching robron from the beginning but what are your favourite storylines or scenes from them? (I'm very new to emmerdale, i found it last week when robert came back and I saw people on twitter talking about it and ive been binging their storyline on youtube i just got passed the lodge)

oh my god WELCOME ANON i’m desperate to know how you felt about the lodge (i’m a certified Lodge Stan but that’s not a prerequisite here, everyone was going the hell through it when it originally aired fjfjfjf)

with the caveat of, given just how many storylines they’ve had, this is not comprehensive and i will forget things - and also not being too spoilery for you, here’s some faves:

in terms of storylines:

the storyline you are very fast approaching right now in your watchthrough, that takes place at the end of 2015, was fantastically done imo - the build up, specifically. it’s not really a robron storyline (at all) so much as it is a comeuppance and ultimately redemption for robert storyline, but the show spends essentially the entire year building up to this point and it’s fantastic

i did also absolutely love the entire affair storyline - and i enjoy (and appreciate more in retrospect, because it was a little agonising watching in real time) how long it takes the show to bring that to a head and reveal everything. the aftermath of robert being outed and how that leads into robert eventually discussing his sexuality with people is really good. also full disclosure i just simply love chrissie white.

aaron’s abuse storyline i do find very very difficult to rewatch and so i don’t usually, but i still have to mention it, because i thought it was incredible, and wonderful, and there’s a period of time where aaron goes away and robert enters every single scene by bursting into a room and demanding to see aaron and it’s sooo… like oh the writing for how batshit insane this man would be about his husband was right there on the wall

super soap week 2016 - i’ve never experienced anything like it in my life and i genuinely don’t think i ever will again and honestly maybe that’s for the best because there were several days where i simply forgot to do basic things like eat and move and shower because i was so fucking locked in but oh my god

2017 as a whole is at times infuriating but i genuinely deeply enjoyed myself 98% of the time. robron fight, they get married, they break up, the crash outs are legendary, the scenes are immense, the emotions are soaring. i’m an angst goblin though so honestly, take that as you will

the entire reunion story arc is perfect to me

there is a period of time where they are married and both genuinely happy in their relationship (but not in life because it’s a soap and shit is simply always occurring) and they have the most insane and hilarious run of stories where it’s honestly just robron against the world (there’s a kidnap, there’s blackmail, there’s a pig, there’s money being burned in a bin, there’s so much crime) and whilst i do tend to have more fun watching in real time when the angst is happening, mostly because that means they’re on our screens more and doing meaningful things that are building towards a longer term purpose, that period of time is very very fun to rewatch

one time they do a christmas carol episode with robert as scrooge and it’s absolutely baller

in terms of SCENES (and i don’t wanna get too deep into this or we will absolutely be here all day because the list of robron scenes that will take your whole breath away is so endless):

there’s this one scene where robert is in his scrooge era, having a christmas carol dream, and aaron walks down the stairs and robert stares at him like he’s the most beautiful man to ever grace the planet and that really really spoke to me. gayest he’s ever been.

all of super soap week 2016 i’m deadly serious you’re absolutely not ready

all of the first wedding

all of the second wedding

all of the proposals

all of the BREAK UPS

absolutely every single utterly demented thing robert has ever said about aaron ever bc jesus he has no shame imagine living in the same village as someone who swans around saying things like “my beautiful husband who i love” with his whole chest

there’s one ep at the beginning of 2017 where they’re furiously arguing because aaron has done something terminally stupid and they’re like. teetering on the edge of a break up. and it’s so so so good. it’s SO SO GOOD.

that one time post-affair era where robert offers to help andy set up the barton’s new grain pit and aaron is there and even though they’ve lowkey broken up, they start flirting again and then end up banging in the scrapyard portacabin because they’re absolutely incapable of staying away from each other for too long

the entire experience of aaron getting kidnapped is Peak Entertainment to me and one of my favourite robron stories ever and the scenes in those eps are everything to me

aaron’s reunion speech. every single second of it.

that moment in the lodge where robert tells aaron he’s the worst mistake robert ever made, because falling in love with aaron was so deeply violently not a part of rob’s evil plans and oh boy, maybe he could have done so much worse without all these annoying unwanted feelings for aaron, maybe he could have protected himself so much better if he didn’t have to worry about protecting aaron as well, and also maybe he should shoot aaron because that seems like a good way to be free of this unwanted responsibility because honestly i think robert really did, back in 2015, on occasion believe that he would be so much more successful in life if he could just stop experiencing pesky emotions like ‘guilt’ and ‘love’. like if he could just stop caring about people, he’d be able to follow through with all his ridiculous, horribly evil plans entirely unhindered. sometimes your villain simply isn’t cut out for straight up murder 🤟😔

aaron’s hair during christmas 2016

[burr-ell]

Ppl are so fucking weird about narrative meta and it's solely bc it doesn't cater to ships. The ship isn't the center of the narrative and therefore when we talk abt the story in broad strokes they take any neutral writing observation and treat it like bitter screeing and crazy hate even though frankly speaking I don't think pointing out patterns is emotionally charged

So this ask is almost a year old and I am VERY sorry to the anon who sent it, but it's also interesting to me to consider how things have changed in that time. I got this a couple weeks after Imogen/Laudna became canon and I had been subject to some stan harassment because I disliked it, and after a bit of conversation about the whole thing I just shrugged and moved on. And yet for a not-insignificant portion of the ship's fandom, it feels as though everything that has happened between Imogen and Laudna since then has been just...quietly ignored. (I distinctly recall one of the hateful anons I received lecturing me about how "Im*dna is the heart of the campaign", and uh...how you doin these days, bud?)

Like, I've very recently blocked the majority of loud stan voices on Twitter, but it's telling to me that so many people proclaim to be these deranged fanatics about the ship and yet hardly acknowledge anything that's happened. And it could be that it's because prior to episode 89 nothing interesting had happened, but they still had moments; they had that dance on the pirate ship and the lap pillow and the comforting after the shard incident. But you'd hardly even know those moments happened—everyone's pfp is still a screenshot of Laura from episode 65, the bios all still read #IMOGENTEMULT: "can i kiss you?", and all the fanart is generic hugs or kisses and the occasional buff cowboy Imogen with damsel Laudna. So many emoji combinations include the ring when it's been referenced more often out of game than in it!

And meanwhile, the people who were vocally critical of the ship—many of whom, I think it bears observing, are queer women, women of color, neurodivergent women, or some combination thereof—have been having the time of our lives ever since 3x89 and especially 3x95. We've been asking for conflict the whole time and finally got it and surprise! We're enjoying ourselves! I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone in this corner who's turned into a classic OTP-type shipper, but we're engaging with this narrative and are interested in where it goes because it finally gave us something to do. We're also focused on everything else in the campaign, because it has an intriguing plot, an engaging villain, fun worldbuilding, and five other interesting protagonists.

If you got into the campaign because you wanted to watch a good story, you may have had trouble in the beginning, but if you stuck it out you're probably having a good time vibing with the moon. But if you got into this campaign because you thought the most important thing in the world was making sure Imogen and Laudna end up in their skinnyass white girl cottage baking cookies and shopping for Zhudanna and exchanging the uwu softest of kisses and handholds? You'd probably like very much for the campaign to have ended in July 2023. But it hasn't, and I think the campaign rather forcefully demonstrating once again that it is out of the audience's control is a disquieting thought in those circles. And if you're the type of person who felt Imogen and Laudna's constant fawning and inability to have uncomfortable conversations was not only romantic but aspirational, you're not likely to want to sit with disquieting thoughts.

[macabresymphonies]

Episode 16 thoughts:

I like Ink5soul a lot, but my guess is a lot of it is me imposing headcanons about how I think they are vs how they actually are (they have like 5 lines of dialogue 3 of it in person so not much to write home about)

The Madame E talk was cringy, but it was very realistically "stan twitter influencer" cringy talk it gets a pass

Not much to write about implications other than Ink5soul takes inspirations for tattoos from corpses, I assume is the same as using Smirk's bulding plans or instructions from Leitners in TMA

Another incident where you can't draw a clear line on "what entity from TMA this could be", which to me is just further proof that they changed or are fractured in some way.

Ink5oul specifically seems to thrive on insecurity/dysmorphia, I do not think they were the reason for the demise of the guy from "Marked", I think this was different "entity" interfering, notably one that caused the girl from "Well Run" to drown, some type of "The Deep"

I'm slowly warming up to the fact TMAGP is more about creating scenes and little windows into the world, as oppsoed to TMA where it were short stories through and through.

MORE FOOD, this is ridiculous at this point and cannot be overlooked, specifically we had Alice switching tea for coffee, if it's not a plot point, at least it's 100% a theme

I asssumed Lena wanted Lady M in the office, but I see Gwen went rouge and Lena was pissed she endangered the OIRA

More specifically she stressed "you introduced her to your colleagues!" which implies she cares for them like, not dying, makes me reconsider her character a bit cause I assumed she would be more pissed at an external endangering her or "the office" as in her job

Gwen is very much in to find out after fucking around, cause what's next might be worse than Bonzo

[thestreamdreampony]

Me adding my two cents is probably not gonna do much, but here I go, I guess:

I want to preface this with saying that Wilbur's content and Lovejoy have been incredibly important to me and I've put a lot of time, effort and money into supporting Lovejoy especially. So finding out about this, before finding out about the details, I had originally reacted with incredulous derision of twitter stans. And then erring on the side of caution about how things developed.

At this point there's almost no question that it's Wilbur, for the simple reason that Shubble would have cleared up his name if it wasn't. There's no way she would throw someone innocent under the bus, if she knew somebody else was guilty. Additionally, not a single person in Wilbur's surroundings has disputed any claims and have only narrowed it down further towards Wilbur. At this point it is incredibly unlikely she is talking about anybody else.

I do want to take a moment to comdemn those (mostly on twitter) who used this opportunity to dig into both Shubble and Wilbur's private lives, trying to construct a narrative of her abuse and in some cases going so far as doxxing Wilbur. It is entirely possible to support Shelby and condemn her abuser, without invading their privacy and endangering people's lives. Shelby's goal was to warn people and to make them more aware of the signs of abuse. As well as make it as clear as possible, who she's talking about without saying who it is directly, for a meriad of possible reasons. It was not an invitation to write abuse fanfiction about her private life.

That being said, the way I will feel about this in the long run will depend heavily on how Wilbur deals with this situation. I will definitely distance myself either way (slowly but surely), but his reaction to this will influence how I will act moving forward.

Should he stay silent or respond with insincerity/derision/defensiveness/etc., then that's it for me. Fuck him.

But should he come forward, own up to it, apologize and prove that he is working on himself, then I might be able to find it in myself to give him a second chance over time. I just don't believe that doing bad things makes you irredeemable forever and ever and ever.

We know for a fact that Wilbur has been struggling with mental health problems for most of his teen and adult life and from his solo music we are also aware that he is incredibly aware of the fact that he is the problem in his relationships. Expressing dark thoughts in music, does not automatically mean somebody is abusive. In fact, creating dark art is an excellent way to deal with harmful thoughts and impulses. I have literally never taken his lyrics to mean that.

However, his lyrics in YCGMA and MSR have always been incredibly autobiographical and do show that he is acutely aware that he's the unhealthy element in his unhealthy relationships.

We also know directly from him, that he has distanced himself from most of his social circle and sought out therapy as recently as 2 weeks ago in an effort to improve his mental health.

This does not excuse his actions whatsoever. Mentally ill people are still responsible for the harm that they cause and Shelby is unbelievably brave to tell their story. I hope they finds peace, I hope she has all the support she could ever need and I hope she has achieved her goal of making people more aware of how people end up in situations like this. She is an inspiration for standing up for herself like this.

But I also think that, should Wilbur come forward, admit to his wrongdoings and prove over time that he is working on becoming a better person, friend and partner, that he does not have to be shunned forever and ever and ever. He has a long life in front of him and I hope both for him and all his future friends and partners that he manages to find a healthy, happy way of living. This can happen, even while he never bothers Shelby, or the other people he hurt, again.

This is a best case scenario. I do think he is allowed to take some time to formulate a response. A hasty response to situations like this have never helped anyone ever, neither the victim, nor the accused. Taking his time to come to terms with the situation, which surely came as a shock, and to really think about how he wants to deal with this situation is much better than him writing a twitlonger as soon as he finds out.

Either way, I will distance myself from him and Lovejoy, slowly but surely. I won't get rid of the merch clothing I own because it was quite expensive and throwing it away is a waste of perfectly good clothing, but I won't find the joy I once felt wearing them. (I am salty about me being gone from home for a few months and having ordered Lovejoy merch, which had been waiting for me for weeks and then finding out about this literally the day I travelled back. It definitely felt weird as hell to unpack that stupid NORMAL longsleeve with his fucking face on it, while being hurt and confused and angry.)

Listening to Lovejoy's music, likewise, will never feel as euphoric as it once did, even if I go back to it. Which really sucks cuz they genuinly hit my sweet spot in music taste. YCGMA and SISV specifically, have been so, so important to me and removing them from my listening rotation i going to Hurt.

Interestingly, I don't feel quite as terrible as last time I had to suddenly cut a content creator out of my life. So I guess practice makes perfect lmao.

I don't know if me writing and posting this had any point. I guess I just wanted to get it off my chest and maybe it resonates with somebody.

Anyway, take care of yourselves. Take it easy and try to focus on other things, if this hit you hard (ideally offline). Try to meet with friends, maybe play some boardgames (or video games), go for a walk,read a book, have a coffee with a loved one. There's joy in the world, despite it all.

[uhgood-girl]

why jikook?

i've been asking myself this a lot recently bc well, why them? why not tkook? or ynmin? hell, jihope even, they're underrated as hell honestly, have you seen that hot tub video? hobi was ready to unhinge his jaw to swallow jimin whole (and who (jk) could blame him.)

but jikook, in a not joking way, hits different. they always have. it's been years at this point that i've been deep in this rabbit hole (within the larger bts rabbit hole, my god, how deep does it go) but i don't recall making the conscious decision to fall in.

maybe a little background?

i'm a fake love army. actually, if we're getting technical, i'm an outro tear army bc it was in the comments of the freshly released fake love music video that i saw someone recommend outro tear if i enjoyed fake love and then it was over for me. extremely not fake love at first listen, who's voice is second on this track? i NEED to know. i'm a yoongi/rapline bias to this day. fake love still fucks though, don't get me wrong, it's a never skip for me.

for that first year and then some, i consumed backlogged content like it was my day job. i am a prone to hyper-fixations hermit, basically, who was going to stop me? my therapist? nah, she picks her battles.

i watched everything i could get my grubby little hands on like someone would be testing me on it later. (shoutout qdeoks, you were so real) i didn't open stan twitter for the first time till probably the end of 2018, really just in time to be slapped in the face full force with the shitshow that was a hate campaign against these boys i was deeply invested in by then, the likes of which i had never experienced in an online space up to that point. it was a truly, truly wild era, don't ever let anyone tell you differently.

all that to say, i've been here for a hot minute and i developed my own first impressions on bts and the members as individuals in a vacuum. no one had to point jikook out to me, they stuck out on their own.

potentially relevant disclaimer before we continue: i am really really queer. i grew up in the united states conservative deep south and had to change high schools my sophomore year bc i was outed and then violently ostracized for being in a relationship with my same sex best friend at the time. it is safe to say i have a lot of feelings about and experience even when it comes to having to be low key (understatement lol) about who you love. i am not here just to make my barbies kiss.

actually, on that note, jikook wouldnt even be my chosen barbies out of bts. if we're in true fantasy delulu hours here, i would want yoonjin to be real. god, that would be the stuff, they're so old married as it is. peak romance.

i think the first place jikook ever truly caught my attention were the memories dvds. jimin has always been a sweet, bby angel taking care of all his members but i remember thinking that he seemed to pay a little extra, special attention to jungkook. and of course, why not, jk's the maknae after all. all of them have always been doting on him and deservedly so. but in those briefly shown really serious, quiet moments, jimin was often first in line. a spot very easy for him to obtain tbh as jk never seemed to be very far from him anyway. maybe if you've never in real time lived the satellite jeon accusations (hi pandemic army, bless you, i hope you make it to 2025 when we have them all back without restrictions) you might find them easier to dismiss but it was so consistent back then in all of the content being released. and once noticed, i don't know how anyone ever un-notices it. but i was in deep before i even realized the water was boiling.

should i talk about why not tkook? or ynmin, for me? i'm just pulling those as examples bc i know they're the popular contenders here but all joking in the beginning of this post aside, none of the other members interpersonal relationships, in any configuration (sadly, RIP yoonjin romance), have ever struck me as anything other than puppy crush/deep friendship/family. and that's not bc i don't think over half of those men aren't queer in some form or fashion because WHEW, that is an entirely different post and we simply do not have the time to unpack rn but it's not for lack of looking.

i started in a vacuum, but i have by no means stayed there, i walked in all of those front doors and sat down and said "convince me." i've got the time and lack of life, i am ready to be won over. what have i missed?

to this day i still regularly try and check my own confirmation bias, i'm obviously looking for jikook at this stage but i'm still ready on my toes if any of the others want to get crazy. (yoonjin i am rooting for you, we're all rooting for you)

and i'm not here to really persuade or sway anyone one way or another either. there are a 1000 other blogs on this site that can probably offer you better explanations, specific clips, and detailed break downs of moments throughout the years and even then people are going to see what they want to see. i just wanted to write some of my own thoughts down finally.

though...i guess if i had to point to any one single piece of "evidence" it would definitely be tried and true gcf tokyo? but if watching that the first time didn't ring through you like a gunshot, i def don't think there's anything i could say beyond that.

honestly, i think so much of "why jikook" for me boils down to the pit in the bottom of my stomach that i used to get when i first began to notice them. when i got past the initial warm fuzzies inspired by the sincerity of their interactions, my immediate second emotion was concern.

i remember the first time i heard some of the other boys make an offhand joke about them being a couple and i got anxious, fast. i thought hide, hide better, please be safe. i began to pay extra attention to the other members in general too when jikook would do things and felt like i could sometimes see a similar anxiety to my own in their expressions. for a long time, i just worried about them and where i saw other people rejoice in their more obvious moments, i was slow to celebrate.

despite my initial hesitation, it's now been about 5 years since the first time they ever made me double take. they're a few years younger than me but i feel like we've been growing up together. (parasocial? idk her.) they're less conspicuous these days, and for lots of obvious reasons, but i feel like overall, their confidence in themselves and each other is quite high. i know that's probably a funny thing to say in light of this last week especially, but i stand by it. i've seen this song and dance before. i have managed my own expectations in the past, taken full steps back only to be beaten anew over the head so many times with enough "coincidences" i felt borderline foolish to try and deny anything. jikook are truly some sort of neuro-spicy pattern recognition drug, i swear.

and i've never really gotten to talk about any of this with anyone before! i'm shy irl, and shy online apparently bc i have just been lurking around the outer lines of this circle this whole time like some creepy creep but i've decided i'm over it. fuck it. growth.gif. idk that i have anything important or new to contribute to the conversation but my god, no one else seems to let that stop them so i might as well take my turn on the soapbox, no?

so 📢 JIKOOK REAL (?) jikook sus. jikook make bandaged queer little heart go boom boom.

[musclesandhammering]

No, Sylvie didn’t “have a point” in that bar convo.

Ok. I’ve seen a lot of sylvie stans on Twitter (and ofc Twitter is the app of choice for sylvie stans lmao) claiming that, in the bar conversation in episode 5, Sylvie had the moral high ground. They say she Made Points and that she’s consistently been the one trying to preserve lives while Loki/Mobius/the TVA have been carelessly destroying them. Yeah. Let’s talk about that.

On Sylvie being right about Loki “kidnapping” people from their timelines…

First off, Loki admitted that he had an ulterior motive of bringing his friend group back together because he didn’t want to be alone. Cool! But he didn’t say he wanted to forcefully drag them from their happy lives and imprison them somewhere so they couldn’t leave just so he could hang out with them. He said they should be given a choice whether they wanted to join him in his ‘save the TVA’ quest or go back to their current lives. A choice. You know.. like what they didn’t have before.

And it’s kinda valid, when you think about it. Yes, they had/have lives on their original branches, but they also had/have lives at the TVA. Centuries worth of life there. They have friends there, they have jobs that they genuinely see as their own glorious purposes, and (in recent days) they have their own little world-saving team! They have a heroic mission! They have their friendship with Loki! And whether or not they should’ve been drafted to the TVA is irrelevant, because it happened. And those experiences are significant just like their experiences on the timeline. It was wrong for HWR to take away their memories and their choice to stay in their mundane lives, but it’s equally as wrong for Sylvie to not want to give them their memories of the TVA back or give them the choice to go back to that life, if they want to. And considering how A.D. Doug and Frank’s branch lives are going (read: not good), I’m fairly confident they’d choose to return if they had all their memories back.

And I mean, considering how the meeting with Sylvie went, if any of them had refused to come with Loki, he would have let them stay! It’s not like he was literally kidnapping them. He just wanted to give them a choice in hopes that they’d choose him. Just because Sylvie can’t imagine ever wanting to leave her life on the timeline to go back to the TVA doesn’t mean she can make that choice for others.

On Sylvie being right about just leaving everyone be and letting the TVA stay destroyed…

Like..??? This is so frustrating. This is probably my greatest source of annoyance with her throughout this entire season. She’s constantly argued in favour of inaction, despite the fact that she knows there is an emergency going on that requires immediate action. Moral discussions aside, just sitting at McDonalds and ignoring everything that’s going on isn’t feasible, because- as Loki has been trying to tell her for 4 episodes now- if the loom melts down, there won’t be a McDonalds anymore. There won’t be anything. The entire multiverse will be fettuccine 😭. 

Like I just don’t understand her logic?? Either she doesn’t believe him (despite having evidence), or she just doesn’t care because a.) she thinks they should fix the mess she made while she just chills in the 80s OR b.) she thinks “well I’ll be fine, fuck everyone else 🤪” because she has the master tempad and thinks she can just keep outrunning the destruction like she’s been doing her whole life.

Either way, though, even if the branches weren’t being spaghettified and everything was fine.. there’s still a billion kang variants on the horizon. Like does that not trouble her at all? I’m sure her reasoning would be that she’d just kill any Kangs that show up, but it’s hilarious how she’s so confident in her ability to do that considering she did nothing impressive to kill He Who Remains. He sat in a chair and offered himself up to her. She walked up and stabbed him in the chest. Like there was no battle, that was no accomplishment. But she really thinks she did something, huh? To the point that she’s willing to risk the lives of everyone in the multiverse, gambling on her ability to single-handedly take on an entire army of all-powerful dudes actually trying to win. Nonsensical behaviour.

On Sylvie just wanting to save all the innocent people…

Building on my last point. Sylvie’s whole thing about being the one that stands up for The People and does everything in the best interest of the innocents… yeah, that’s bs lol. Sylvie, I think, has convinced herself that she’s fighting to preserve lives, but in all actuality, she’s just fighting to oppose the TVA. She’s not seeking justice (at least not primarily), she’s seeking revenge. And that’s been a problem with her since the end of season 1.

She had no problem murdering 400+ minute men in violent and torturous ways (she even enjoyed doing it, and still takes pride in it), despite the fact that she knew they were innocent people brainwashed and forced to work for the TVA. She had no problem sitting back and letting the infinite number of Kangs come, even though it was inevitable that lots of innocent people would be killed by them. As long as she didn’t have to do the work to prepare for it, she was fine with that risk. Loki tried to tell her multiple times, in multiple instances, that the TVA falling apart would cause branched timelines to be destroyed and all the people on them to die, but she ignored him and didn’t believe him and refused to do anything to help over and over and over until that very thing ended up happening. As a matter of fact, she never cared at all until it effected her timeline. Then she immediately was like “there must be something we can do!!”

Anyway….. I just think it’s annoying how some people act like she’s the pro-life (not that kind of pro-life) voice of reason in all this. She’s extremely selfish (yes, more so than Loki) and perfectly willing to let innocent people die if it means she gets to keep relaxing on her branch. Much like Brad. And you know what? That doesn’t make her a villain! There’s nothing wrong with wanting a life away from the organisation that ruined your old one. But I wish folks would stop saying she was right. Cause.. no, bestie, she was not. Lol.

[phanyu]

nah you’re being real, twitters funny sometimes but it’s been unfunny recently (and kind of annoying)

i appreciate you prefacing it with recently for their sake but no it's been like this for ages now LOL at least from my perception...... ok im taking this opportunity to list the things that make it particularly annoying. disclaimer about how this is obviously not every account on twitter also i dont follow any of them so it's just whatever shows up on my for you tl so it's not pointed

1- this has been discussed to death on here but obviously the weird "boundaries" and borderline anti-rpf attitude they have on there makes for the weirdest behaviour because they are still stan accounts in an rpf fandom. they freak out over the same things we freak out over in the same way and yet still place these weird boundaries in what words exactly can be used to describe it, partially i guess so that they can jump on people who dont use this correct language and feel like the superior fan who is the very best at protecting dan and phil. but like respectfully they are not going to fuck you

2- this isnt exclusive to phannies on twitter and is really just a trait i encounter in twitter fandoms in general and it is this OBSESSION with proving yourself to be the "most" fan. everything upped to the most. like this goes past normal exaggeration for effect that most people these days use in their speech but like you have to like the video the MOST, find every joke the MOST funny, thirst over them MOST, be the MOST emotionally affected by something. in a way that is like annoyingly performative because youre just kind of desperate to be recognized by others for something. this could also result from being a younger crowd on there than here with more to prove.

3- kind of another branch of the previous point, and also something i find in most twitter fandoms not just phannies, but definitely as well in phannies. it's this phenomenon where when youre in a fandom space for so long, once youve heard and given every take and opinion, that the only way you can keep it fresh enough to keep your attention hooked is to start saying things that are more and more out there, like opinions and headcanons that stray so far from the mainstream that eventually youre just talking about ocs like these are not in any way about the observable dan and phil. in other fandom it usually manifests as people creating crazier and crazier hcs til theyre just saying things that are the polar opposite of the characters, just to be the first one to say it. and then everyone agrees because they also want to be crazyyyyy or whatever.

anyway. sorry for blabbing on you LOL i have no bad blood im just easily irked. and i also have an extremely annoying phannie account so it's not like im really one to talk

[davekat-sucks]

idk why some people think that like, everyone who interacts with you considers what you say as gods word or something. like im a fan of your blog quite a lot, but it doesnt mean i agree with everything! there is plenty of stuff i disagree with, but there is also stuff i do agree with.

its projecting, look how much the june stans consider what the hicu and hs2 say as gospel. they cannot comprehend someone having nuanced opinions, so they assume that if we agree on something said on this blog, we agree on everything (for the record, just as i agree on some things, i also disagree with other things said on anon asks or otherwise). they genuinely think everyone acts just like they do.

and that's why they act like such a hivemind or a cult, and overcompensate screaming "MEDIA LITERACY" or trite twitter memes like a broken record when someone tells them they disagree with june, even if that person is also trans themselves.

look how much they hate trans people that prefer trans masc john, or how they, despite claiming are suffering from SOOO much bullying and negligence, ignore trans masc roxy's existence completely and are found bullying/harassing people every single day.

these days june stans came here on this blog to admit that they genuinely think they are doing activism by supporting june and call a fictional character their "SISTER", all while insulting real life trans people that do not like june.

despite claiming they care SOOO much about women in this comic, not a SINGLE one of them has said ANYTHING about the "unmarried wombs" shit, or how one of the hicu writers, lysanthum, has drawn all that fucked up degrading porn with the female characters.

but the june stans have ALL the time in the world to write posts saying how much they HATE this blog or harass innocent artists minding their business off platforms all for drawing john or other innocuous ships in comparison.

so at this point, if they don't say anything about the double standards on the porn or the wombs shit, i take their deflective, hypocritical and repetitive statement of "IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOMESTUCK AND THE DIRECTION IT'S GOING THEN DROP IT" at face value and an admission that they like this homestuck filled with futa rape ntr shit, sexist transphobic homophobic shite and saw nothing wrong with anything karkat said. they like it, because june and davekat exists, nothing else matters.

tldr because this post got long: look how they only feel bothered when john, who is turning into june later, was called a pedophile for just talking to terezi/vriska.

they said nothing when meenah actually unironically fucked vriska when she was a minor and groomed karkat, all because they like her. they also said nothing when jane or jade were made into rapists, fascists, or molesters; or rose a cheater anime villain that got impregnated by dog dick.

they do not give a fuck about anything as long as they get their self insert june & vriska, and davekat.

if they say we should drop homestuck if we don't like it, why don't they apply what they preach and ignore fanart of john, from the ORIGINAL COMIC, portrayed as a man, or any other ship they deem as "problematic". or also simply IGNORE AND BLOCK this blog instead of writing posts about how much they hate it and how we are the devil or some shit for having different opinions than they do.

Anon speaks the truth like a boss.

[wnba-confessions]

Dijonai doesn’t give a fuck about Caitlin Clark and the fact that y’all take any black woman who’s simply defending herself as jealous and obsessed is so god damn annoying.

She’s said on multiple occasions that she doesn’t have any animosity towards CC, all she’s doing is pointing out the clear hypocrisy, double standards, and racism that she’s faced every time she’s played Caitlin.

How is it fair that Caitlin can push and shove another player for no reason and get called “gritty” and “passionate” but twitter called Dijonai classless and disgusting for “what she did to caitlin”.

It’s crazy to me that people can be so stupid, that anon talking abt dijonai “constantly talking abt cc on twt” is delusional and a fucking weirdo.

CC stan’s are so self centered sometimes bruh they literally think she’s always being attacked and that everyone hates her and is jealous of her when that’s the farthest from the truth.

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[tinogiehd]

I get your point and Dream has reacted in very stupid ways before that were seriously eye-roll inducing even as a fan, but I don’t think he’s ever or would ever immediately and publicly cut off a friend without privately reaching out first. She added so much fuel to an already out of control fire, against a guy she called her brother. I think they’re wildly different situations and I think we need to stop trying to play the misogyny card when people are criticising women. It’s how we’ve got braindead twitter kids thinking women can do no wrong now.

I don’t think Hannah has to apologise or that she’s some terrible person or that it’s any of our business if she wants to be friends with them again or not. But to act like any criticism of how she publicly handled it on her platform is wrong because she’s a woman is kind of crazy. And I usually support your takes.

we can stop pulling the misogyny card when people stop being misogynistic about her. like it’s not misogyny to criticize her I think her reaction was abhorrent I think she could have done so much better but to be harping on it weeks and weeks down the line as some indicator of moral compass and acting as if she owes us an apology is strange as hell. like she should have done something differently for sure and you don’t need to pretend like she had a perfect response because she’s a woman, her being a woman doesn’t mean her response wasn’t shitty. but I just don’t think you can separate the response to her response Weeks down the line from her being a woman in an industry where woman have historically caught more heat for breathing than 99% of men will for legitimately heinous crimes and that mindset being consciously or unconsciously absorbed by audiences even adjacent to it, like the social contexts of an entertainer will project onto the audience and that’s just how it works and I’ve seen in the three years I’ve been here how women are cracked down on way harder than men are. misogyny is baked into this community because that’s how people are socialized in the real life and the online space. I’m not saying women are free from criticism but I am saying that I think some people would benefit from thinking Hey why am I so angry at her and so ready to rant and rave about this weeks and weeks later? half of what im seeing on my dash rn isn’t even criticism of her conduct also it’s literally invisible demons about her not having a leash on the maybe 50 dedicated hannah stans on twitter despite her being pretty offline and saying she’s promoting terf rhetoric ? Like what are you people even talking about at this point. I’m not saying disliking her response is misogynistic but I’m saying the heat she’s still catching for it is driven by closet misogyny like just move the fuck on

[hislittleraincloud]

No, I wasnʼt the one trolling you on anon. And why would I come off anon when you harass and stalk people? You made AI pictures of some girl on twitter (I donʼt remember her @ or name) and Jerome, who was always polite to you despite your hostility. But even he gave up trying to get along with you because youʼre still nasty and rude just to complain when you get the same energy back.

Listen.

I've answered Asks that Anons sent me. That's where it fucking started, and that's all it's been since it started. That's not harassing or stalking, that's answering a fucking Anon. If these people weren't on Anon, they'd be able to share their own fucking screencaps instead of sending me over there to see what they wanted me to see. And the accusations of me sock puppeting my own Anons is fucking incredibly insane. I don't have the fucking time to do 99% of the shit I need or want to do, why in fuck's name would I create my own damn drama when y'alls are so good at doing it yourselves?

It's truly not that hard to understand. Do I make a choice to answer them? Ofc I do, but of late I've just been deleting the ones with the usual suspects' names in them. I've been doing that for a while.

As for the other shitbird thing I posted about in the last day, they were yapping about me and accusing me and Jennita of being the same person. You just want me to what, not mock them for the fucking idiots that they're being? Fuck no.

And Jerome doesn't understand anything out of his own little world. He did some shit over there when I posted against his Jenna stanning (re: Miller's Girl) and expected me to see it immediately and respond, and when I didn't he got all pissy baby again. It wasn't even that bad; I razzed him a little about continuing to cavort with bitches before correcting him on his record of failure to understand that Ortega desperately wanted to play Cairo (and that it wasn't just something she had to do/just a job she had to take, which is what his post came off as). It was an overreaction, but then again he overreacted when someone told him he was being called "Jumpscare Jerome" by the Anons here, and that overreaction facilitated someone's fucking false allegations against me — something that ✨I✨ overlooked during the truce, since HE posted that shit knowing full well what the kind of vipers who follow him are like, HE is responsible for that and HE never even cared to be magnanimous about THAT damaging piece of bullshit.

And to this day he continues to hang around those lying assholes, continues to push the same bullshit they do about Ortega, and continues to passively — nah, actively and passively — fuck with others in the fandom (or in the entertainment media) who do not think they way they do. I think the Garbage Pail Kid came after he and his little friends were mocking a Percy stan's suicidal threats. He had to have done something vile, because I'm not about to waste time making something like that over nothing (unlike them and their obsessive hate against PHW). You get what you give. Aren't all of my Anon bullies saying that shit from time to time? Saying that I can't take anything while at the same time being the ones whining about petty shit? Projection 🫵🏽

You know what's reaaaaally funny about this to me? It's a wandering thought, since we're talking about Jerkrome. Something that gets brought up whenever someone shits on an age gap: "What could a 30 year old have in common with a teenager?"

Pointing at those hypocrites (don't forget, EIE/niall's also 30+). Y'all probably still live at home since the rental market's so bad and you don't have any friends to split the rent. Y'all def don't have higher education of any sort, and if you did, your retention skills are null. Our culture of Stan entertainment has seriously infantilized a generation so much so that their extended adolescence has prevented them from growing the fuck up. (I could go on and on about how this is fueled not by any one generation but by capitalism/consumerism and the exploitation of the desire for creature comforts, but I won't.) The lack of self-control has left y'all wallowing in the third stage of Freudian psychosexual development, stunted and seemingly incapable of growth, even at 30-something years old.

As for the Botero, pretty sure she too got mad that I was answering Asks that happened to link to her shit (usually bullshit). It's all a big, fat blur now, but she got what she gave and I really hope that she IS Uncle Fucker because that would be hilarious.

Who's complaining here? And I don't see the kind of energy I'm giving being reflected back. It takes a brain not simmered in screentime to think critically about celebrity culture and the kind of falsity that social media brings with parasocial relationships. It's not just a celebrity thing, though a celebrity pioneered it with his first administration: alternative facts. Suddenly lies are still facts. We've normalized delusions. I've watched it take hold slowly as more and more people switched to smartphones and became more digitally connected and less humanly connected. Sure, maybe some people on some level can acknowledge their delusions (I've run into a few of those on TikTok, which is great, good for them), but most of the time they cannot, like how Jerkrome and the cabal insist that they know for certain that Ortega did something when they don't know, they weren't there (yes, I'm pulling her quote for this).

ETA: I finished this last night but left it in Drafts. You can keep coming at me with this crap or various forms of harassment (waking up to a spammed inbox is real fun 🫠🫶🏽 you didn't do it but someone on your side did) about those whiny little purity culture twats, but the deletions will continue.

[spacefunclubs]

Actually makes me so upset looking up YouTube and Twitter in the Doctor Who and David Tennant tags and seeing so many transphobes and bigoted losers complain about the latest specials being "woke" over that small scene of Fourteen asking the Meep its pronouns and the metacrisis resolution between Donna and Rose.

It's actually so disheartening, seeing so many people missing the fucking point of Doctor Who, and these are also the same people who shat on Jodie's entire run bc BWAAAA, WAHMAN NO BE DOCTOR!!1!1! and lord knows what's gonna happen when Ncuti's run finally begins and what he'll have to endure with these bigoted losers with a huge ass victim complex. Doctor Who is a show that has been vocally anti-fascist since the beginning with episodes reflecting the UK recovering from the effects of WWII with the Daleks being a metaphor for Nazis, feminism, or hell, even episodes in the new run of Doctor Who way back when it started in 2005 talking about themes of slavery, government corruption, and even subtle LGBT+ themes with Jack Harkness being an openly flirtatious bisexual, Bill Potts being openly lesbian, and hell, even Martha being the first black companion in Doctor Who history (Bill being the second). Not to mention the Twelfth Doctor, who these "fans" claim they stopped watching the show after he regenerated but completely gloss over this fact, sucker punching a racist who was harassing Bill. Not to mention the Doctor as a whole character growing more love and empathy with every new regeneration and not being afraid to emotionally express themselves with love instead of having to hide it, something these "fans" fail to have or even see and understand. So yeah, your "pwecious wittle show" has always been this way, believe it or not!!

And I am SO tired of seeing posts of these bigots asking how much David Tennant got paid for saying that pronoun line or even seeing dumbass video thumbnails of David Tennant saying stupid shit like "RIP DOCTOR WHO" when these assholes gloss over the fact that not only would his character (or any incarnation of the Doctor in general) would HATE these types of people, but also David in general. This whole year, he has been openly showing his support for the LGBT+ community, ESPECIALLY trans and nonbinary folks, between pride pins, the "Leave Trans Kids Alone" shirt, and even voicing his support at certain conventions. AND not to mention his lips were on Michael Sheen in the last season of Good Omens this summer (and his character being a genderfluid demonic entity similar to the Doctor) AND even WAY before that (Richard II) AND playing a trans woman A WHOLE 3 decades ago WAY BEFORE his Doctor Who fame. So no, he wasn't paid to do this shit, he's been doing this for FREE, which is what it costs y'all to not be an asshole. And, not to boast, but when I met him at New York Comic Con last month, I felt so safe around him even with just those few moments when I met him. He's the most kind, humble, gentle hearted soul on this planet and basically the only celebrity I stan bc of all this, so no, I don't think he would support your ideals bc you're just sad and pathetic chronically online cry babies that never felt a touch of a real person.

So fucking tired of dudebros feeling like they're entitled to their "pwecious wittle show" over being "woke" (which BTW, that word has been so overused to death, I don't even think these people know what it even means anymore and just use it as a meaningless insult) when really, they're just coping and seething over the fact that this show ain't for them and wanna be angry for the sake of being angry. So by all means, fuck off and take your anger elsewhere bc we clearly don't need it and it's making me and every other sane fan uncomfortable with your unprovoked anger. It's a trend that I've seen grow between this fandom, the Star Wars fandom, or any other geek-centric fandom online ever since Trump was in power, and it's really sad to see this type of bigotry grow in fan spaces like this. Y'all are better than this, get some help.

[namjoohyuk]

why are armys so fucking dumb im going to scream… tell me why do they need to trend all this yoongi’s shit when all the other fandoms are (rightfully so) speaking up for seunghan and riize… like, why do you feel like you have to take away attention from an actual issue which is serious and real to speak nonsense??? Nobody is going to kick Yoongi out of bts, that’s not even possible or a thing at this point in time, and it has nothing to do with “armys have his back when no one else does”! YOU ARE SO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile a 20 yo has his whole career and life destroyed by some psychos and they can’t put aside their bullshit for an evening and realize how fucked up that is for the industry as a whole. The same industry they basically bankroll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woah woah woah what are you talking about....

what i've mainly seen from armys on my tl is them not only expressing sympathy for the seunghan situation, but also calling out the selective outrage that kpoptwt has every single time something awful happens to an idol or group (which tbh they have a right to do)

lbr for a second....aside from their own fanbases, no one said anything about the lsfm girls nor yoongi getting funeral wreaths in the last few months. people online literally shat on international fans for defending yoongi when domestic fans were ripping him to shreds. and sooo many people (even some of my own mutuals here) were sharing false information from tabloids to villify him and promote hate trains....all this bc simply they don't like the group they're a member of???

but now these are the same people who suddenly grew an empathy chip and are acting morally superior by calling out the insane bullying and hate seunghan received from domestic fans. like they weren't doing exactly that with other groups they didn't like.

also lowkey sick of kpop stans always trying to deflect the actual situation by going "omg look at armys being armys!!!!" every kpop fandom has a group of insane fans who behave like assholes, but why is it that only bts' fandom is held responsible? i can literally name you tumblr & twitter accounts who wished death on bts in the last two years they've been inactive.

i'm all for valid criticism but i'm never down for the sheer hypocrisy i continue to see from kpop stans.

[askgothamshitty]

I agree with your points about the atan culture stuff. I spent a lot of my time on stan twitter for a few years (sadly), so i have a lot of personal experience on there. A lot of the critiques are from who weren't there or think they're better than everyone there. I just don't like when people credit stan twitter to gay men only when there are so many other demographics muddling up that shit site. If you're talking stan culture overall with a focus on the experiences of female artists, then yeah gay men are definitely at the core of that.

I did misinterpret your point about the language stuff, so that's on 100% on me. But like I said, a lot of the language was taken from transwomen and black women (and all the overlapping identities). One day it's two women calling each other bitch the next it's so gay guy imitating it and it's not as funny as before. And like I said spent way too much to on stan twitter so I know just how vile gay men can get about women. I wouldn't say that makes them more misogynistic but instead more distinct and creative in their misogyny.

Surrogacy is again complex, but you were again very correct in what you said. It's just that a lot of terf discourse on the topic just goes south so fast seeing any conversation about it just makes me what to say stop. The issue isn't that gay men want to have families but rather the industry that exists to take babies from their mothers and force women to risk their lives for profit.

I just think it's good to know how terfs manipulate specific ideas and issues. And to remind people of what the issue actually is and dispel any brewing queerphobia/racism/ableism. The thing that got me sprialling down that path was these specific misinformation arguments.

I don't disagree with anything you said though very real very true and I'll check the article you shared.

(Same anon from the post responding to the other cc idk)

Ah I see what you mean. Yeah, stan Twitter isn’t just gay men. There are probably more women/girls on there. And they are part of the misogyny problem too! Just look at this Blake Lively situation…

And yup, so much “gay slang” is actually AAVE and sayings that originated from trans fems!

I totally feel you about how infuriating it is that TERFs use this topic to be homophobic. Just over Christmas I saw a TERF on Twitter proudly say that gay men shouldn’t adopt because there needs to be a woman involved with raising a child. And that was right after another one said bi men were lustful and disease-ridden. What the fuck!!!!

I didn’t want to get into the whole “gay men vs straight men misogyny” discourse on Twitter because I knew it would only lead to that…