#swiftwyn

[maria-eve-falcon]

I think she understood his anxieties, you can hear in her songs over the years and I think just from what we know of her as a person... I think she got tired of waiting for him to do something and decide what he wanted in his life... And you can say that him not deciding has to do with his anxieties, but I think she understood him and just waited as long as she could...

sorry I didn't answer early.. I had this answer in my mind but I was(am) to0 tired.

precaution : it's gonna be long and there will be out of this particular topic disclosure because idk why a box inside was opened by this

so.. while I get people when they say she waited too long (bit skeptical) we can't blame anyone (this is making me cry wow parasocial much?) and:

they both of mental issues as we know . god knows what was their position in times. normal people without any issues (almost everyone has issues cause 'perfect' is just not a thing) can't commit easily , famous people with issues having a hard time is really normal. commitment is big. it's not just a piece of paper (imo)

I can't blame joe at all here. cause look at the position he was in. his career kickstarted and he was with her. something very unsimilar with her other exes. so, he doesn't have a career close to the people that debuted with him / close to the time he did i.e liz debici (they won a chopard together ) . he doesn't have enough press (lmfao billy lynn had the record for most press(if not collectively) with him until recently ), nominations and stability what so far judging that he is a decent actor (you can disagree for sure but he IS a decent actor objectively (even when miscast) )

I understand he doesn't want fame and hoards of money doesn't mean he doesn't want a stable career ( while tay's is 740 million a year! that's a load even after paying for everyone and everything! (idk why I pointed this out) )(acting is not a stable career choice it self but I bet he wants to have some kind of stability before at least marriage) AND he has to calculate his every word and action since the beginning .

this is gonna sound mean but do you think tay's position screams suitable for marriage and babies? I'm sorry but she is the position (was before the tour too!) where she literally is on top of the world ! ( yeah I wrote this after the people's article so I'm angry) to get married now and gain a load of attention FOR IT, is sure to be overwhelming for an actor like joe who grew up pretty normal. posh , but normal. I'm sorry but she hasn't step down at all! (not her fault but.. not his either)

considering everything I just pointed out lame excuses (this is gonna get ugly so buck up) what about her picking fights? (when you are in love, you fight but don't pick them?! ) for example afterglow, false god. she even said she knows it's her fault but wants HIM to apologize first. (i'm a person who used to always apologize first and boy, at a point you don't care and distance yourself from those who keep making ya do that (that's how my rtl with my 8 year long bestie ended, fucking exhausting I tell ya) ) ALSO when SHE broke HIS heart first! sorry but my man is human!

ok , fuck all I said . even judging by ylm , I'm assuming with pressure to work on his career or not he couldn't read her mind cause surprise! he is human! they just needed to talk about where they were or what she actually wanted but clearly she didn't understand that.

also about letting go. do you really think a woman who is still writing songs about jm (something that happened 13 years ago) AND INDICATING ENOUGH THAT IT'S ABOUT HIM KNOWING WHAT HER FANS ARE LIKE , going as far to dress up like she was in the vma's literally a decade ago and announcing her new album on the bday of some guy's ex wife (who every one is done dragging for the last 3 years) on mtv music awards is letting go? that thing icked me soo hard . what is growing up is confusing to me since midnights announce. she needs to stop these little clues to diss people that are perfectly fine with their lives and don't care at all! it just shows she loves dragging things and can't let go or be cool about it after soo many years!(nothing else!) and worst part is she makes it obvious that it's about them. now it has come to the point where it is just a stupid topic for everyone to make fun of. her pain surrounding jm and kanye has been dragged for soo long by none other than her and her fans that either people just roll their eyes and move on or it's just a joke atp!!!!!!!!!!!!

tl;dr : I just made 7 points of why joe might have not proposed to her and was stressing about doing so.

[the-hushed-one]

We almost know the reason of the swiftwyn breakup.

Now that you think of it, Taylor's friends, especially Ryan and Gigi and also Abigail unfollowing Joe on Instagram was quite absurd.

Like Joe didn't even do something wrong. Joe was frirnds with Gigi before he knew Taylor. And Ryan wrote in that article that Joe and him were pretty good friends. I'm pretty sure his kids refer of referred to him as uncle Joe (Which is cute)

Them unfollowing Joe like this was quite stupid. Didn't they know that this kind of mass unfollowing can have such a big affect on the pr and stuff? This move basically encouraged the cheating rumours about Joe.

Instead of just choosing sides, they should've been supportive of the both of them. I get it that they were better friends with Taylor than with Joe, but they all did such a high school act as if Joe did something wrong.

Was Taylor trying to get back at Joe? Idk, but this was such a mean and a rude and a bad move.

[whatiwillsay]

Not to rehash Taylor or Joe too much but bleachers just released a Christmas song and I saw a TikTok from @Jessiswifttok that made a pretty convincing argument it could be about Joe and then we have the bleachers antihero remix. Anyway, have you ever gotten any tea on how Jack felt about Joe?

let's rehash! i just dropped the last toe timeline episode!

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i don't have any tea on joe and jack but sometimes jack seemed like he didn't like him. that's pure vibes though not evidence based at all!

[swiftmixermonster]

I totally agree with this and it's also how I see the situation. I feel like I'm not in a place to judge Joe bc if I was in his place I would also attempt to take all job opportunities possible since he's not an established actor you know? It's valid for him to want to do the best he can to make his career work. But at the same time, Taylor is valid for wanting someone to give their all to the rs with as much passion as she has. Yes, I know she has a considerable advantage since she's extremely succesful and very established in her industry, but she's in all her right to want someone to be there by her side as much as possible, and bc of what his career demands of him at this point Joe can't do that unless he gave up at least partially on his professional aspirations. As I've been saying, very sad overall bc it's a case where all the love in the world isn't enough to keep two people together.

the new people article feels more like tree and it just validated the thought that they took breaks but fundamentally couldn’t work it out and this was the final break for them

[justanapparatus]

I am so fucking grateful that she's dating a man I don't find insufferable it's been 2000 years

[youareinlovees]

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[youareinlove]

well toe is a horrible name like who even called them that

mostly people who didn't like them and then it was sort of used by the fandom as a joke-ish thing

[maria-eve-falcon]

Finally found a blog that can sympathize with Joe. Love Taylor and sure they are both going through some terrible heartache. But I think this impact Joe the most. We are in no place to speak on someone else’s mental health but at least we know he has anxiety. And rumors of him withdrawing from her leading up to tour, the noticeable weight gain and baggy eyes in movie premieres, I think there’s more than we know.

I’ve been through a withdrawal period before because I was feeling like I was a failure. Lots of restless nights, weight gain, self isolation and feeling worthless. I took a break from everyone to heal and learn to love myself again. So I can kinda relate to him why he wanted a break. Everyone cope differently and we cannot fault them for how they chose to do it. We all have our own demons to fight.

We do not know what goes behind closed doors. But based on facts given, I am comfortable to say he is a gentle, sweet, caring soul, does not read into tabloids, brought up loyal and kind by his mother(according AOTGYLB). Never used her name to gain fame and is a very private person. How can people say he intentionally leaked this out? The breakup is the last thing he would ever want to go public.

If he cared about the imbalance in their fame status, he would be going for commercial movies instead, not indie type films. I just don’t like how he is being portrayed as a person through these news outlet. It’s very dehumanizing to do.

Ikr! thanks for all this. I remember his quote about wanting to be seen as a human.

You are right. His newest pics are really bad. Like his hair is weird, he has defs gained weight campared to his physic just some months ago.

Tbh, the biggest thing is Tay has her fans, her songs, her friends and family with her.

Joe is somewhere else far away from home as speculated and maybe before the breakup, means he's been alone when it happened and is rn . He has to change his musical taste, even his fav band might be hurting him . His friends and family are away. All he has is some co workers he doesn't know very well. Idk if that's good, or bad. Cause how much you'd want nothing to remind you of the absence of your loved one, you just kinda need someone who knew your relationship with them.

Also about the GOD DAMN ARTICLES. It's impossible trust me. And why would they do that? Likeeeeee his team should be outta questions imo cause well, his team is too lowkey to do that. like the possibility is just 0.001%

Moreover, we should support them both. The breakup is the wort thing that could happen to them and it is done.

So instead of blaming and hating, we just need to support them. Imo. This is that type of a break up you can't blame anyone.

All we can do is love and pray and be positive and wish for the best.

[taylortruther]

At this point the conversations about Swiftwyn are very recycled because everyone's basically making the same points, which I understand because this is a big deal but it gets boring sometimes and it gets annoying too because people get so upset if you tell them Taylor's probably still not over the breakup or when you try to explain the complexity, not-black-and-whiteness of it all.

the way people simplify the breakup is funny. Do they realize who Taylor is? The woman who wrote an RED and 1989? Do they realize how breakups and feelings and healing work? People say she's already moved on and I wonder what they expect her to do, post a video of her crying and saying she misses him? She's probably writing songs about her feelings and 2 years from now we'll know how she felt at this time.

I remember when folklomore came out I saw someone ranting about how Taylor is still writing about snakegate and she should move on. Life-changing events are, well, fucking life-changing and they affect you for years to come it's crazy that people expect her to just move on as if there is a specific time-frame for healing, as if once something terrible happens to you you can just go back to who you were before. One point of Midnights is that everything that happens to you is still on your mind and you can find yourself thinking about an ex whose name you can't rememeber now.

the way people expect her to move on from 2016 is one of my joker moments in the fandom. same with how people said joe should worry because she wasn't "over" jake, harry, matty, etc.

even my mean anon yesterday sent me a few more asks about how it's stupid i still talk about my ex. i know some of this fandom is very young, and not everyone has the privilege of having their heart broken, but god. if your world was ever changed by someone, and you DON'T think about it for years after, i really think you're probably just repressing.

[justanapparatus]

people reblogging my old gaylor posts... sudden influx of followers... Taylor and Joe breaking up.... rolling stone writeup on gaylor.... I feel the crackle of anon hate in the air

[persephone-sails]

What annoys me the most is when her fans pretend that she isn't and has never been the one in power in her relationships, when guys have been saying for years that dating her would be emasculating (including the one she's currently dating lol). Personally I hate that word but it just goes to show that she is a loud and proud girlboss artist. It's not just her wealth or talent that scares insecure men,its the prospect of being the muse–a role that has historically been played by women. As she herself said she's The Man. She's ambitious, hard working, and is unapologetic of her fame and wants someone who is comfortable with it. It's clear that she wears the pants in pretty much any relationship she's in. The only time this wasn't the case was with John Mayer, Jake G and Calvin; in first two it was because she was way younger and relatively naive and in the last one it was because she was in a bad place, mental health wise. Its even more hypocritical when those same fans have no issues when its her being somewhat predatory(Connor Kennedy was literally in highschool when she dated him btw). Either way idk who fucked up and who didn't in swiftwyn but its deeply sexist to assume Taylor's the victim. If anyone is the victim however it's the woc swifties who are forced to watch their idol proudly flaunt someone who enjoys watching them being explicitly humiliated and degraded.

[maria-eve-falcon]

(This is embarassing ) i was going trough something and did this

This is my diary of the date: 20/11/2021

"And also, Taylor and Joeeee!!! Sooo cute! Literal soulmates! Love them so much. Zayn and gigi broke up & also Camilla and Shawn 💔 I'm afraid Joe & Tay will break-up too! Nooooo I'll stop believing in love"

Wow, my two year old fears came true this year. 2023 sucks!!!

[youareinlovees]

About you talking abt turning this acc into qa and not updating the timeline anymore… there’s literally no one else who does that and people like me don’t have twitter for other timelines so yeah you’re our only hope😭 but if that’s stressing then sure I get it, do whatever feels the best for you bestie. I mean you don’t even need to update very single thing that happens like if they’re together rn cause their jets are at the same place or smth just the main things maybe but again do whatever you think is the best, I appreciate you 🙏🙏

Tbh I feel kinda weird about the jet stuff now, like she’s actively trying to keep her flights under wraps all of a sudden? So maybe it’s not something we should be discussing publicly anymore 🫣

[bisluthq]

"After which she was single for like 7 weeks and then she started dating Travis."

And a decent chunk of that time she was (presumably) still interested in matty. The definitive 'they are no longer in contact' people article was a month after he left on tour/ghosted. Before that the articles were 'they are not together it was just casual, but who knows about the future ;)'. Which all makes sense now since we know Taylor didn't know wtf was going on at the time.

right??? And I am *not* a Maylor. I’d be fucking annoyed with her if they did a 3.0 because there are a myriad reasons why they won’t play for keeps this time (either) lol. I actually only became a fan of 75/Matty (idk if I’m a Matty fan idk he does so many stupid things) when I was researching 2.0. Like having only heard the hit songs and stuff about him online, he was fuck annoying. Now he feels like… idk my friend who’s a mess but I respect that he’s a nice person?? And ofc that’s parasocial but that’s why we follow celebs lol. He seems very fucked in the head but I can’t judge that.

I would say though that leaving your bf for your own ex who you had a slow burn friends to lovers things on the 2.0 is genuinely not insane. Like… people say “that was her episode of mania!!!!” and was it??? He was her ex, he became her friend, he heard about what was going on at home, he gave his 5 cents, she wanted to be with him and they got together. THAT part is normal. (The “she pined for him for 10 years” is not). That’s legit sane. That’s fair. Then he dumped her (which is SO rude of him like how he did it but I also can’t judge him because sometimes there’s fuck all to say) and that sucks but you’re telling me she got over both things in like… 8 weeks and was just meeting people, the healthiest she’s ever been??? Okay.

he also wasn’t well straight after their thing btw but he met a friend of a friend and she’s a good fit and follows him around idk and like he’s… evidently working on it.

she’s just aggressively yelling “I AM FINE!!!!”

PS. I wouldn’t approve of Tatty 3.0. At all. I expect it in the back of my mind but I wouldn’t approve as a fan.

PPS. Tatty 3.0 would piss me off less than Swiftwyn 2.0 unless both grow entirely new personalities.

[maria-eve-falcon]

omg, why did I have the same thought!

the thought that she broke up with him over the phone (yes imo she pulled the plug) is 1) nauseating because over 6 years and just done like that but also 2) because possibly she knew that if they did it in-person, she wouldn’t be able to go through with it