#support shubble deplatform wilbur

[considermygenderminecrafted]

Hello.

I'm going to dissect what is happening in Wilburs appology, partially for my own sanity, partially because there is merit in dissecting what is being said here, what is being implied, and understanding manipulative tactics (even when they are so poorly done because he is too blinded by his own misogyny to effectively manipulate the narrative.)

In conclusion:

He only believes the harm he did was making her clear his apartment and being selfish

Does not believe he did anything wrong in regards to ignoring her safe word, pinning her down, or causing her pain she did not want.

As such, he necessarily her feelings as irrational and his perspective as more accurate, a further case of misogyny.

Thank you to Shubble for making us all aware of this shitty mans awful behaviour, and for her bravery in being the first to step forward. Thank you all other who corroborated her words and added their own experiences.

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[cupcraft]

And my eyes turn to wilburs friends who haven't said a word. It isn't enough that they do nothing. I understand if they can't say his name either (either for their own safety or shubbles or etc reasons). But it's telling they haven't said "support victims. I support shubble. Misogynists and abusers in cc spaces need to be deplatformed" or anything similar.

To stop cycles it requires an active voice. If ccs are in a safe place especially they need to stick by victims who speak up against their abusers. Abuse needs to be stopped at the root. My eyes turn to them, and I am disappointed. This silence cannot continue.

[solsays]

here we go again. serious post time. This one is about a very serious topic, and could be very sensitive for some people (cw: manipulation, domestic abuse). if you aren’t aware, this is about Shelby (and Wilbur, which is mainly who this post is about, but reminder that THIS IS NOT HIS STORY. TOSS HIM ASIDE. LIFT SHUBBLE UP.). There is a TLDR at the bottom, as well as a comment regarding my fics.

Shelby (Shubble) recently spoke about an ex boyfriend who abused her. People were guessing it was Wilbur, but she couldn’t say the name due to legal things, but today the scumbag posted a response.He tweeted an “apology”, that spoiler alert, was not an apology. Here is his sorry excuse of a reply if you’d like to read for yourself:

There are some things I’d like to point out here. First of all, he made this about himself. It’s not a damn apology, it’s a lousy attempt at avoiding taking responsibility. Second, he refers to the abuse as an “allegation.” It is not.

He locked her in his filthy ant-infested house. He refused to give her house keys even when he made her clean up after him and pay for the materials. He went two months without unpromptedly complementing her. He bit her so hard that it bruised and she would scream out their safe word. At the safe word he would sometimes bite harder, or grind his teeth against her skin. He joked that she looked like she was abused.

By the way, human bites are more dangerous than an animal bite. They’re incredibly dangerous due to the amount of bacteria in our mouths and can easily kill someone. Oh and also? That reply has an 85% match with AI generated content on TurnItIn, a website used for college papers.

Here are some responses to his “apology” from other CCs, as well as Shelby’s response:

You hear Shubble. They don’t accept it, meaning neither will we. 

As far as other response go especially Freddie and Billzo’s are incredibly concerning. Do not, I repeat, do not pressure Tommy in particular to respond as quickly. He was one of the closest people to Wilbur. He was very young when they became friends, and Wilbur clearly has a history manipulating teenagers. They went through a friend’s death together. Maybe he did have a soft spot for Tommy, or maybe Tom received the worst treatment of any of his friends. 

Phil is currently out of the country and off of Twitter, so he might take a bit to reply as well as the fact he may only now be realizing that he was close friends with an abuser. If he supports Wilbur, we drop him too.

Wilbur does not deserve support. He is a terrible person. He manipulates people for his own benefit, “abuses those he loves”. If you’re abusing someone? You do not love them.

I have dealt with plenty of people like him, and it is so easy to miss the signs. Especially if they’re good at what they do. They gaslight, they lie, and they trick you. Do not assume that anybody knew about his abuse just because they were friends with him. 

Go support Shelby. Encourage her. Follow her and watch her videos. She’s so incredibly sweet and funny, and they’re a joy to watch. Shelby is asexual and uses she/they pronouns.

There is no excuse for supporting him. I have followed Wilbur since late 2020. I was there for the first Lovejoy EP. I was there for YLYL. I have merch from Lovejoy. He has been a huge comfort to me through some of the hardest times of my life. When this came out, I have blocked both Lovejoy and Wilbur on Spotify. I have taken down every piece of merch or posters I own. Don’t support him, period.

He did not care about her. He is a terrible fucking person, and deserves to be deplatformed entirely.

As far as my fics go, I will be (once again) removing his character entirely from any story I have. It may take a while as I’m incredibly busy at the moment, but I will be doing it as quickly as possible.

One final reminder: This is about Shubble. This is NOT about Wilbur. Let Shubble take her time to process this. Support them every step of the way. She is a wonderful person and deserves the world, and the best thing we can do is focus on them and their strength through all of this. They don’t want to be known for this. Let’s get him gone and focus on lifting her up <3

TLDR: Wilbur basically admitted to abusing Shelby in an incredibly self-centered and manipulative excuse of an “apology”. Do not support him, go support Shubble.

[funkyplantguy]

howdy! i know that i tend to post exclusively about hermitcraft/the life series on here (so this post is going to be a bit out of the ordinary) but i just wanted to pop in with a more serious note re: shelby (shubble)

first and foremost and just to get it out of the way: to wilbur: fuck you i've never mentioned this before on here, but i have (had) been working for wilbur as one of his senior moderators for about a year and a half (yes, hello, hi, i am the one whose display name reads "plant (mumbo jumbo)" in all of those screenshots circulating twitter right now). the mod team as a whole stands firmly with shelby and has done everything we can to assist in deplatforming wilbur. as of now, we are all officially retired, and will no longer be lifting a finger to assist that man in any way. may he become his worst fear: irrelevant, forgotten, unknown.

to shelby: thank you.

it's been a truly beautiful and unifying experience to see people from all walks of life and all areas of the internet sphere to come forward in support of shelby, and we should be focusing on that as much as possible. what she did took a massive amount of bravery and gumption and i am so incredibly proud of her for using her voice in the way that she has and for bringing light to behavior that is disgustingly pervasive in this day and age. as a victim of domestic violence myself, she has helped myself and so many others feel so seen and so safe, and she deserves everything good in the world. i wish her all the best, and for her path to recovery be smooth and full of companions to hold her hands along the way.

to anyone who may have resonated with shelby's story, or with the stories of other victims who have come forward: you are not alone.

you are so loved and so cared for, beyond measure. you deserve to feel safe, you deserve to feel wanted, you deserve to feel warm and comfortable and happy. if you or anyone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please know that there's a way out. below are some resources that can help - reaching out is the first step, and you've got a wonderful, long life ahead of you to experience <3

https://www.thepixelproject.net/

https://nomore.org/

https://www.allianceforhope.com/

anyway. that's all. take care, get some sleep, get some food, get some water. spend time with friends. take a deep breath. you're going to be okay. i love you <3

[soulfireblue]

Shubble has been incredibly strong to come forward with her experiences, especially with someone in such a position of power. I really hope this has a positive impact, both for their own mental health and for anyone else who might have been in similar situations, whether with Wilbur or otherwise. They and Lexie both must have had a lot of courage to use their platforms to raise this awareness.

I am not planning on reblogging any of the responses from other creators, because the most important things here are supporting Shubble and deplatforming an abuser, but it is heartwarming to see so many people supporting her now. I'm also not going to make any judgments about when people should have responded, because I have no insight on any of these people's lives behind the scenes. I have no idea who's been supporting Shubble since this happened, no idea who's just now realizing that they have to pull themself out of a relationship that's full of manipulation, no idea who was in an abusive situation and has since removed themself and wants to leave it behind rather than being dragged into it again.

I will take Shubble's lead on this, because it isn't my place to try to guess which content creators were complacent behind the scenes. Going on a witch hunt to call out the people who are only posting because it makes them look good is hypocritical and leads to a vicious cycle of who can get the most internet points. No single individual response is going to matter more than the whole of the overwhelming support for Shubble and the other victims they're giving a voice to.

I will note that I think it's okay to be upset even without having known him personally, though. People like to make fun of parasocial relationships, but they exist for a reason, to various extents, for good or for ill. There is nothing wrong with having enjoyed someone's content before you learned to recognize the red flags. It was literally his job to create content and to perform, and you're not a bad person for enjoying the stories he was involved with, the content he put out, or even the person you thought he was. There's no reason to need to feel guilty over it, but it's okay to feel what you feel, whether those feelings are hurt, sadness, or even guilt. If you have created art, celebrate the art you made not for him, but for yourself.

I am so sorry that Shubble had to go through this, and I'm so sorry that she had to go through so much to get to this point of being able to speak up and receive everyone's support. Don't let your support of them be just a trend; keep in mind that they are an excellent content creator in their own right and deserves to be known for more than this.

[listenheresweaty]

Thank you. I was afraid of saying this myself.

let me be clear: I do not support Wilbur Soot or his actions, and neither does OP. Any internal struggles he has do not give him excuses or earn him any sympathy. Abuse is abuse.

Abuse is also often a choice— or rather, the choice NOT to choose to get help, try to improve, or at the very least avoid relationships you know you can’t maintain in a healthy manner. As someone who sees much of themselves in Shubble’s descriptions of her abuser (although— not to that extent), I hope that Wilbur genuinely makes that choice, and soon. I agree that he must be deplatformed, though. There are no exceptions to the consequences.

edit: this is not sympathizing with an abuser (if you think that acknowledging how issues, mental health or not, can influence— not excuse!!!!!!!!!— someone’s behavior is automatically sympathizing/excusing/making light of their actions, you need to do some introspection. Maybe make sure that you don’t subconsciously believe that suffering is valid repentance or some religious stuff like that), NOR is it turning attention away from the victim/Shubble— this is a serious issue with how people deal with the idea of abuse. These golden points in the tags explain it well:

“Excellent way to ignore bad behavior”

Someone being abused is often close to whoever is abusing them. They are fully aware of the person’s nuances and “good sides”, and may even understand why they act the way they do. If their only mental image of an abuser is one of an irredeemable monster, they will never be able to understand that they are being abused because they see the perpetrator as human. “[X] isn’t abusive.” The victim may say. “They may be a little toxic, but they feel bad about what they’re doing and have their own problems going on. They have their reasons. It isn’t their fault.” Same goes for the abuser/any toxic person— they won’t be able to recognize that they need to change. They are DEFINITELY aware of their own nuances. “I can’t be abusive.” They may say. “I do things that I’m not proud of, but I’m no monster. I don’t like what I’m doing. I want to get better (maybe). It’s okay for this to continue.”

@phoenix-ish-blog (tagging you because I used your comments. If you don’t approve I can remove it)

I feel like this is probably an unpopular opinion (that’s why I’m posting here and not on twitter) but I just wanna know if anyone else feels this way.

Obviously, I think Wilbur is the one Shelby is talking about, and as someone who was also abused, I feel stronger hearing her story. I hope she’s able to find peace soon.

Maybe I’m just an overly optimistic person, but I think Wilbur needs help. A lot of it. And I think, probably not a popular idea, that even though he’s a piece of shit in this situation, that he deserves it.

I’m an overly trusting person by nature. Obviously I wasn’t there when any of this happened. I am just a stranger on the internet. I don’t know what went on, I didn’t see anything happen. However, I think I want Wilbur to get better and I think he can.

He needs to be deplatformed. At least until he has PUBLICLY apologized to Shelby, and is showing to his friends (not us, the audience, not only Shelby, EVERYONE HE KNOWS PERSONALLY) that he is making an effort to never treat another person like that again. But I think, and please don’t come with your pitchforks for me, the person Wilbur abuses the most is himself.

He clearly has other problems that are not making him a good person. Mental health is not a excuse for poor behavior. However, it is an explanation. Your mental health issues and trauma are not your fault, however, managing both those things are unfortunately YOUR responsibility. They are HIS Responsibility to fix and manage, not Shelby’s, not Phil’s, not James, NO ONE BUT HIM.

Call me stupid, or crazy, or whatever, but I firmly believe in the idea of (almost) every human being capable of change. I have siblings who used to treat me terribly, who are much older than me, and I was hurt by them. But as I grew, I saw them realize just how terrible they treated me. They changed their behavior, and apologized to me many many times. They showed me people can wake up and change their lives around. And, whether or not Wilbur comes back to content creation, I hope he gets the help he so clearly needs.

Shelby owes him nothing. His fan base owes him nothing. His friends owe him nothing. Wilbur owes them everything. Shelby deserves to hold back her forgiveness when it so clearly isn’t deserved. She should never forgive him if she doesn’t want to. That’s her right.

Maybe I believe in people too much. But I truly hope he changes. Not only for his friends, family, and loved ones, but for his own sake. He’s going to end up dead if he continues this way, and I believe no one deserves to die. (I’m not even for the death penalty. Let them sit and suffer forever).

Anyway, get some rest all, drink some water, and remember that the world becoming a better place starts with you. Treat people the way you wanna be treated. 💕

[cupcraft]

BTW coming to obvious conclusions about an abuser based on Shubble's story, other people's stories and actions (ie Zoe, all wilburs mods quitting, etc.) is not speculation.

Speculation would be prying into private information about Shubble and harming her directly, treating this like your personal entertainment and gossip (leaktwt shit basically). Asking her to name him and blaming her for not naming him when she's repeatedly talked about that she cant even if she wants to.

Speculation is not hearing an abuse victim say "hey btw this is my experience with obvious information on who is + he is dangerous and will hurt others" and then supporting her and using what she's given us to deplatform an abuser. Shubble could've clarified it wasn't him when she tweeted. She didn't say it wasn't him and that people were "over-speculating". Shubble's never said a word about speculation. She's just asked people to stop assuming she doesn't want to name him. She wants us to know her abuser to protect others from danger.

It is up to us and fellow ccs (esp his male friends...) to deplatform Wilbur. It is up to you to believe a victim here. Because is it just the what you believe to be "speculation"? IS that really the problem? Ask yourself, if Shubble did name him would you still be making a fuss? Is the "speculation" just an excuse for you to ignore the obvious conclusion so you can comfortably support your cc. Could you never imagine him to be an abuser? Because at least how it looks to me even if she did name him you would find another excuse to not believe her. It's not about people thinking its wilbur, it's that you dont want to stop supporting wilbur because you cannot stop being selfish.

Because it's just extremely telling "don't speculate" has become the new way to say "I don't want to believe it's wilbur because [1000 excuses]" and even worse, seeing people say "dont speculate because shubble could be lying" + the crowd thats like "if its not wilbur this accusation could hurt his mental health :(!!". \

No one believing Shubble who is reaching the obvious conclusions is "speculating" we are the only ones listening to her. When will you?

(and once again I never was against seeing it was wilbur. I was sick of people harassing Shubble directly. Do not derail this post especially if youre being "neutral" and ignoring who the abuser at hand here is).