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lovelyelbowleech · 2 years ago
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HELLO hair anon here with a twofer ask!!! i came to talk about how much i love your newest chapter and saw you’re talking about languages in atla and got REALLY excited bc that’s a pet passion of mine!!! ajdjsjd so here we go with part one >:)
holy fuck ZUKO. ZUKO AHHHHHHH. i can’t even be mad at him for what he did because What The Fuck but also hhhhhhh. i don’t even have words. SUPER not feeling whatever the fuck wei is plotting. like supeerrrrrrrr not feeling it. i honestly don’t even know what to say bc i’m really anxious about what’s going to happen next LMAO. like it definitely wasn’t as bad as i was fearing when i read the chapter description but like holy shit. i am VERY anxiously awaiting the next chapter lol. but again thank you so much for this—i always love the way you write all the characters but i REALLY loved the way you wrote sokka this chapter. he needs way more (consensual) hugs than he’s getting. 😭 he needs to reunite with katara soon!! and so does zuko with iroh although haha Fuck that one has a lot of things that can go wrong with it!!! To Say The Least!!! anyways i’m rambling as always akdksk thank you so much for sharing this chapter with us; i always love your writing and am so super excited for the next one 💖💖💖
and hehe okay LANGUAGES. so i have a whole theory (not really but kind of lol) and language on atla and it comes from the following things We Know To Be True from the show(s), comics, and novels (thank you fc yee):
- they’re very clearly not speaking english. i specify english because it was the language both shows were written and originally recorded in. there’s lots of evidence to support this and i don’t need to go into all of them but as a few faves: the writing system, the ba sing se/na sing se joke, and momo’s name joke
- they all understand each other. this doesn’t mean they’re speaking the same language, necessarily, but everyone in the shows who have spoken have understood each other. importantly, this includes the part in legend of korra when wan meets the first air nomads and even though those cultures had (as far as we know) never had contact before then they still speak to each other and understand each other clearly.
- BUT there’s still linguistic change and variety!!! there’s an almost offhand comment in the first chapter of rise of kyoshi where jianzhu thinks about the fact that a remote province in the northern(?) earth kingdom had become so isolated in the wake of kuruk’s death that they had almost developed their own dialect. which is HUGE imo because i’m a nerd lol.
but ANYWAYS from these we can extrapolate that:
- it’s possible that each nation/region/however it would be divided speaks its own language. however there’s no evidence for this that i can think of for that. it’s not impossible though! more on that in a sec.
- it seems most likely they’re speaking a universal language of some sort, which is evidenced by the fact that there’s never any difficulty communicating between characters (even between characters from cultures who have never had contact before). however there’s still variation in this hypothetical universal language, which makes sense as it’s a living language. however the fact that over the x many thousands of years this language has been around it hasn’t evolved much (as far as we can tell) into different dialects is
. interesting, but it’s a fantasy show and therefore i’m willing to cut them some slack akdksk (also it’s canonically a smaller world than ours so it makes sense there would be at least a little bit less linguistic and geographic variety). the origins of such a universal language is also something that would be very fascinating to know because traditional modes of language formation would probably have not all been at play in order to develop one (1) universal language that managed to stay the same for untold millennia
- it’s Also possible they’re all speaking different languages but something (presumably a spirit or something along those lines lol) allows them to understand each other. which there’s not really any evidence supporting but there’s also no evidence against, so
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given all this, my theory is this: some spirit keeps the people in the atlaverse able to communicate, whether it be via a (relatively) unchanging universal language or acting as a translator for every person in the world all the time lol. personally i think it could potentially be raava; my only evidence for this thought is the fact that she’s the spirit of balance (and i could see there being an argument made in-universe for all the nations being able to speak the same tongue being a very important form of keeping balance; hell there’s regularly arguments for that in our world, and semi-regular attempts to rectify it [sometimes via conlang lol]), and the throwaway line i mentioned where the avatar’s lack of an active presence in the world was causing that one province to almost develop their own dialect. however it could be anything or anyone! or i could be missing vital information! (Please other people let me know if i’m missing vital information lol.) or the creators could retcon something and prove all of this extrapolation on my end pointless! and if anyone has any other theories i’d love to hear them :)
anyways sorry for the essay in your inbox 😬 i hope it isn’t too much and i’m sorry if it is!! i hope you’re having a good day and thank you once again :) 💖
Glad the chapter was not as horrifying as you anticipated (although of course there is another half to go!) And as my poor beta reader has been busy, the document was still there on the shared google-doc.. so it has now grown another POV and extra 3k... and possibly another, even more unpleasant interlude - so there is that to look forward to as well 😂)
I love all this! The idea of a spirit making people understand each other's language (like a spirity babel fish 😂) would make for a fascinating fic - it would be a really fun theory to explore. Either in discovering that was the case and they are all actually speaking different languages and dialects - or if it just suddenly stopped doing what it was doing and the impact that would have on pretty much everything! 
Long interesting theories in my inbox are never too much, they are a treat 😁
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agus-pie · 4 years ago
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Spreading the kyoshi novels agenda
yo just saw that you haven't read the kyoshi books, I've got both of them on drive if you want :)
fuck capitalism indeed
tbh i want to give my king fc yee my hard earned american dollars because he deserves it
however if you want to reply with the link for the good of my followers then by all means 👁👄👁
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caelum-in-the-avatarverse · 5 years ago
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Names!
Right so one of my favorite things about character development is the NAMING so now that I’ve completely fallen in love with The Rise of Kyoshi let’s take a look and see if FC Yee has any hidden meanings for us...
I’m not a language expert and I don’t speak anything besides English, but I do know how to do a quick bit of research. If anyone has any insights or knowledge to share, please do!
I generally use Mandarin Tools to look up Mandarin/pinyin definitions and CantoDict to look up Cantonese/jyutping, if anyone wants to check my work. Wiktionary can be pretty helpful too.
Kyoshi
Using the characters è™›ć­, Kyoshi’s name means “empty child,” which is...wow. Ouch. Bryke probably named her that before they knew what her backstory was, but wow is that apt. Anyway, that’s how her name appears on the mural in her shrine during Avatar Day. This version was also the pen name of Japanese poet Takahama Kiyoshi.
However, her name is written differently on her statue. The characters on her fans are äșŹćŁ« and mean “capital samurai.”
Rangi
Rangi seems to be a Maori name that means “sky.” In the Maori mythos, Rangi is the god of the sky and the husband of the earth goddess.
That seems to be the best bet for Rangi’s name. While ran and rang are both pinyin for various characters in Mandarin, and gi is jyutping for a character in Cantonese, I don’t think they’d mix the two languages. I guess it might work if there’s a Mandarin suffix -i that acts as an extra syllable or a modifier or something that I don’t know about (likely) that doesn’t have a hanzi character (not sure if likely...?). Or if this is one of those instances in Avatar names where they kinda like...take the idea of the pinyin word and tweak it. But I think there’s a good chance Rangi’s name isn’t Chinese in origin.
Yun
There are a lot of Chinese characters that transliterate into the pinyin yun and without accent marks it’s hard to tell which one, exactly, they were going for - but I think the one that fits best is 慁, which means “just, fair, to permit.” Another character for it is æźž, which means “perish, die.” :( Though I think it bears mentioning that there’s also é›Č, which means “cloud,” and he’s from Makapu - the village where Aunt Wu will read fortunes in the clouds centuries later. ;)
Jianzhu
Okay I found a great page that gives us three decent options for Jianzhu’s name. I’m pretty sure the first character would be ć»ș, which means “ to establish; to found; to set up; to build; to construct.” Given the fact that he’s the glue holding the Earth Kingdom together and that he has fantastic networking skills, it’s a very good fit. 筑 also means “build” and when you enter ć»ș 筑 into Google translate, you get “building.” Which is nicely symbolic - Jianzhu’s entire character is tied up into what he’s made of himself, his network of support, his cruel dedication in holding the Earth Kingdom together - and, on a more literal note, the house he built to keep the Avatar in. His earthbending style can be very architecture-based as well - the bridge he builds in mid-air to stop the pirate ships, for one. Not to mention the fact that he dies while literally trying to tear down a building.
BUT, there is also 惭䞻, which means “tyrant/usurper,” which is pretty perfect, even though I doubt his parents named him that. :P Still, I find that when naming my OCs, pinyin gives me a fun two-for-one advantage when it comes to meaningful names, so I wouldn’t be surprised if FC Yee was thinking of both meanings for this character.
And then there’s çź­ç«č, the second half of the name éŸ™ć€Žçź­ç«č, longtou jianzhu, which is a species of bamboo. Jianzhu’s bending style kind of makes me think of splintered wood flying about, so I think it’s fitting.
Hei-Ran
A quick Google search shows that Hei-Ran may be Korean in origin, and may mean “graceful orchid.” However that’s just a bunch of baby name websites, and I don’t always trust those. Wiktionary shows that the Hangul syllable ran 란 does indeed mean “orchid” though, so they could be on to something. I can’t find a Hangul syllable that is hei. There’s hye 혜 which is part of eunhye 은혜 which means “grace” according to Google translate.
Mandarin gives us hei 黑 for “black, dark,” and a few options for ran including 然 for “correct” and 燃 for “burn, combustion.”
Kelsang
Seems to mean “good fortune, auspicious” in Tibetan. INTERESTINGLY, it was the name of the 7th Dalai Lama Kelzang Gyatso, who was identified as the real Dalai Lama while the 6th Dalai Lama was on the throne. The current Dalai Lama was actually a politically-sanctioned imposter who took the place of mysteriously-disappeared actual 6th Dalai Lama Tsangyang Gyatso, and Kelzang Gyatso was declared the true reincarnation. All this drama surrounding an improperly-identified reincarnating political figure sounds pretty familiar, hm? Kelzang Gyatso was apparently known for spontaneously composing poetry.
Kirima
Okay so fyi looking up Native American names is a pain because half the time they aren’t actually real. Back in the days of dime novel Westerns, white authors made up random words and assigned random meanings to them and called it a day. Then the baby name websites picked up those random names with random meanings and listed them as fact.
That said, it is possible that Kirima or some variant means “hill.”
Wong
Wong seems to be Cantonese, and can be jyutping for a lot of characters. However, the character 黃 is referred to as “big belly wong” when you need to differentiate between homophones, because it resembles a person with a big belly. Given Wong’s size and stature, I would say it’s a good fit for him. 黃 is a family name that means “yellow.”
Lek
From what I can tell, lek seems to be a Thai word àč€àž„àč‡àž that means “small.” This is both really cute and really sad. Though I guess it could also relate to the fact that his weapon of choice is tiny projectiles.
Lao Ge
Lao and ge can be pinyin for lots of things. Fitting possibilities for lao include é†Ș, which can mean an alcoholic beverage in general, or 星, which means “to chatter,” but there’s lots of other options. Ge could be 蜕 for “confused, disorderly” or 旝 for “hiccup, belch,” both of which fit in with Lao Ge’s lackadaisical persona. However, 挌 means “fight” and 隔 means “to separate, cut off, divide” and given how often he splits off from the group to engage in his other job, that’s fitting too.
But of course Lao Ge isn’t his real name. His real name is Tieguai.
Li Tieguai, or Iron Crutch Li, is one of the Eight Immortals of Chinese legend. The name Tieguai 鐔拐 literally means “iron crutch.” I’m not sure what he’s doing in the Avatarverse as an assassin.
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bigyack-com · 5 years ago
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