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So, Caroline isn't a mom that cooks which is its own, whole point of discussion (hello summer of competative EDs) but, keeping with the rigid expectations of their respective genders, I would argue:
Logan was not a dad who drives.
And I shit you not, I got thinking about this after catching an old How I Met Your Mother episode on TV, where they go on this side tangent about feeling safe as a child when your father was driving at night. I get that feeling still (though it is with my other parent), so it might be relatable to quite a few other people as well.
BUT anytime Logan Roy is in a car he is
a) next to his children on the backseat, because they are "being driven" aka the safety is outsourced to someone doing it for money and
b) inspiring mostly terror: making Kendall come to the waiter's family with him and giving him that whole speech, confronting Roman about the punch that didn't happen without giving him a chance to leave the situation, dragging Shiv deeper into Waystar and away from herself (an image that is paralleled by Tom in the end)
Also, I'm trying to come up with times the Roys are in the literal drivers seat and the three that stand out are obviously Kendall's accident as the very opposite of safety and responsibility, Kendall asking for a motorcycle and being given one with a driver (lol), AND Roman picking up Kendall in Austerlitz which might actually be the only positive example, because it is motivated by wanting to help out despite it possibly fucking with a business call + it happens at night (which accidentally aligns perfectly with the himym thing)
#weirdest overlap of media to date imo#succession driving motif? idk#is connor ever in a car? stuff to think about i guess#i also feel the need to tell you i really really have come to hate how i met your mother so please don't doubt my taste okay#but that one anecdote really gets me everytime#succession#kendall roy#logan roy#roman roy#shiv roy
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Reflections: Cillian Murphy’s Limited Edition
Season 3, episode 5
✨also magnificently late✨
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*I am a music prof (predominantly classical vocalist), and I LOVE listening to Cillian’s music choices! That being said, sometimes I won’t like a song simply because of a vocalist (it’s a professional hazard - sorry!) 👩🏫
** The following are my own observations/opinions. We may not agree, and that’s ok! That’s what makes music fun! 😊
*** I wouldn’t say I’m well-versed in Cillian’s music preferences, but I do enjoy them (for the most part). I always wind up adding to my own playlists after listening to Cillian’s recommendations.
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The episode…
🎵Set 1 (Cross Talk I - Auntie’s Lock/Infinitum)
Cross Talk I: this sounds like the technology of my childhood 👵🏻
Soaring X: the instrumental track reminds me of something (specifically the 3 note motif) and I can’t for the life of me remember what it sounds like! Ahhh!!!! Also, I love this! It’s always so interesting to me how a tremolo (the fast repeated notes) can be so effective and moving when the technique itself is so simple.
Auntie’s Lock/Infinitum: … when the melody is basically the Westminster chimes 😳😅😂 wasn’t expecting that!
🎤Talking Break
Thanks for the date info! 😂😂😂
“”Luxury loving Librans”
An ident! 😳😂
… sir. I didn’t need to know that about spiders 😖😖😖
“Do your bit”- yes. Please wash your hands
Why is he so into uninteresting facts?? 😅
Yay! Someone told him the name of the film!!!
🎵Set 2 (All Change - Excess Success)
All Change: the intro sound effects specifically remind me of the jump/crisscross sections of the Cha Cha Slide 😅🤦♀️ now it is cool how things get more distorted towards the end! Unsettling, but neat.
it’s been a long week please don’t judge me for my idiocy 😅😂
Apothecary: I’m listening to all the woodwinds in the background. Interesting timbres.
Excess Success: it’s both cute and driving. Idk how that works, but it does!
🎤Talking Break
“Oh yes! Some music from Cork. Where I’m from…”
Reflection inspired tangentially by Elaine’s comments - I’ve noticed so many ppl are afraid to sing. It’s a part of us, so of course it’s personal. Either way, please sing. It’s worth it.
🎵Set 3 (To the Test - somehow she’s still here)
To the Test: chill and atmospheric. 😎
InFLUX: a weird distorted saxophone background. Again, I’m convinced this is one of Cillian’s favorite instruments! I really like the vocals here. And then halfway through everything changes! 🙀 surprise twist!
Somehow she’s still here: soulful! Gorgeous vocals!
🎤Talking Break
More Irish music!
“Cracker of an album”
🎵Set 4 (All of the People)
All of the People: while not my fave vocal style, I do like this (and Fontaines DC). Instrumentals are beautiful *dreamy sigh*
🎤Talking Break:
Oh dear… he manifested a poetry reading 😂😂😂😂
A stormy Brooklyn!
Plateau: the background track is trippy! I am immersed!
🎵 Set 5 (Le Jardin - Sorrowful Soil)
Le Jardin: I feel like I’m in a National Geographic special omg! 🙀 but the cute piano piece is a great addition! It really feels like I’m in the garden and I’m listening to someone play from the garden window. It’s also cool that the piano portion follows the “rustic” or pastoral trope of the pedal point. It’s meant to evoke bagpipes/pipes (not limited to Scotland but of course heavily associated with the country). The lilting melody on top just adds to the pastoral trope. And then the garden atmosphere gets all synth and I go “what???” 😅 this one’s got a bit of everything! 😂
XII: I love that he enjoys instrumental music. Lots of interesting timbres - some brass and woodwinds.
I’ll Stay Here Now: it’s all whooshy like the music’s being played backwards. 😊
Sorrowful Soil: this is so angular! I know I should pay attention to the lyrics, but I’m only paying attention to the musical lines. It’s reminding me of VERY early (medieval) musical lines, but put in the electronic timbres of today.
🎤Talking Break:
“That was Bjork, of course!”
I should check out the podcast. I’m not a huge Bjork fan, but it sounds cool!
Idk how or why, but I always enjoy music from Iceland. I’ve never even been there!
The ident…
GEORGE HARRISON IS MY FAVORITE BEATLE
I still need to watch Living in the Material World… 😅
I LOVE GET BACK
Side note - I’m convinced Cillian’s favorite Beatle is John.
🎵 Set 6 (I Can Feel It)
I Can Feel It: I am dancing and having so much fun!!! 💃
🎤Talking Break
The shortest break EVER.
🎵Set 7 (Inglan is a Bitch)
Inglan: all I can say is OOF. This song packs a punch! 😅
🎤Talking Break
No Cill, he’s not more interesting. Promise. 😂😂😂
Cohen covers ❤️
🎵Set 8 (Hey, That’s No Way to Say Goodbye - What About Now)
Hey: I love Roberta! ❤️❤️❤️
I Shall Not Be Moved: I think tambourine should be in more songs.
Description of People Get Ready: I love gospel!
People Get Ready: ok, for so many personal reasons, I love this song and it’s message! “You just thaaaank the Lord!”
What About Now: I’m feeling so much ‘60s teenage rebellion. 😎 vocals aren’t that strong, but the drums sure do cover a lot of that! Perhaps a Bob Dylan inspired vocal quality! The whine is on point.
🎤Talking Break:
“Great name for a band”
Disco!
“Does this qualify as disco?”
🎵Set 9 (Dee Tour - Genshi)
Dee Tour: fun and girly and so retro! Also… FLUTE SOLO! 😎
Genshi: I looooove the opening. Which is funny because it’s so monotone, but the repeating rhythms are cool 👍 and then you have other lines show up. It’s just a groovy little piece!
🎤Talking Break
“Do work, or tidy the kitchen, or think about composting, things like that”
Kinda a cover?
🎵Set 10 (Goodbye Pork Pie Hat)
Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: more sax! The ding and other sound effects are so strange to me. Like… why? I feel like I’m missing context here. The pedal board lyrics are so “whoa”
🎤Talking Break
GEORGE HARRISON 😍😍😍😍
Yeah George - biggest solo album!!!
ARCHIVE OF GEORGE!!!!
I’m so proud of him for not cussing in this interview because I know he wanted to 😂
🎵Set 11 (Awaiting on You All - One Woman)
Awaiting On You All: not my fave George solo song, but you can’t deny it’s groovy!! His personal style could be haunting, beautiful, or kinda schmaltzy early rock ish. And all wrapped up in a quiet, sassy personality! 😂😅
One Woman: ooohhh this soulful, soulful song! ❤️ gorgeous vocals.
🎤Talking Break
I’m with you, Cill, regarding Al Green
Noooo don’t go!
Jazz! Yussss 😎
“Played this loudly in the kitchen last week”
“Mind yourselves”
🎵Set 12 (Pastoral - Memories of Edith Johnson)
Pastoral - ok, I could go music nerd again on the pastoral genre, but I won’t. Once is enough. But I do like the harp! Such a sweet sound.
Desillusion: yep! Definitely some jazz! 😎 powerful piano. It keeps sloooowly getting more complex as the song goes along. The bass and drums are also getting it! I’m gonna have to look up this trio.
Memories of Edith Johnson: so I looked her up and Edith was a silent film actress. It now makes sense why Cillian likes this. The organ and sax are fun together. The “oooohs” I can do without.
Fin
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Thank you so much for reading! Feel free to share and comment! Episode 6 coming soon!
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Get to Know Me
Tagged by @zumurruds Mwah mwah mwah mwah ily 🥺 tagged first I feel sooo smug rn. Our bond is unbreakable
Share your wallpaper: Orpheus and Eurydice, and a blue light photo of flowers...
Last Song You Listened To: Listened to music as I did this lmao, Nocturnal Me by Echo and the Bunnymen at the start, then She-Wolf by Shakira, then Killing Floor – Live at Monterey by Jimi Hendrix
Currently Reading: House of Leaves for fun, Breaking Resemblance: The Role of Religious Motifs in Contemporary Art for project
Last Movie: Streamed Ponyo with friends, got diagnosed as the mom who can't drive and curses out her spouse in morse code
Craving: Idk. I want for nothing
What are you wearing right now?: Cutest work clothes you can get away with as a C*tholic school kindergarten teacher
How tall are you?: 5'3"
Piercings: Been forgetting to get my ears repierced since I was 12
Tattoos: None, I wanna design my own someday tho
Glasses? Contacts?: None. I see on my own
Last Drink: Water... life giving...
Last Show: Succession, You, Diary of a Prosecutor, rewatched Key and Peele...
Last Thing You Ate: Toasted garlic naan and butter
Favorite Color: Changes, and usually comes in palettes/combinations, been into blue+green+red lately
Current Obsession: Baba Yaga and other mutable but distinctive folkloric figures like Death, Big Bad Wolf, the [folkloric] Devil, Jack/Hans/Ivan
Unrelated Obsession: Catholic iconographic viscera in secular/unordained culture. Doing (another) project on it actually
Any Pets: Between mom's and dad's places, two cats, three dogs, one turtle
Do you have a crush on anyone?: I hate having crushes so much, I only let myself be attracted to people I don't respect bc then I don't have to worry about whether rejection reflects my worth at all. And having read that you can infer that I'm obviously not mentally well enough for an actual crush atm
Favorite Fictional Character: Adoring Baba Yaga rn... all time favorites are Arya Stark, Jean Valjean, Catherine Earnshaw, Kainene Ozobia, Anakin Skywalker... maybe more
The Last Place You Traveled: Scotland/Northern Ireland/Ireland ♡
Tagging: Uhhhh @seaweetie @tybaltsjuliet @virginvengeance @evakant @g-taire no pressure obvs
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with open eyes liveblog
i'm not ready for this. i haven't pre-grieved enough it turns out. i feel sick
on the bright side the only spoiler i have is that shiv did something controversial? which isn't a spoiler i would say but i'm actively avoiding reading the post currently greyed out behind this open tab
stewy not on kendall's side??? that's a fucking first. it's not but it is
okay so this is just like 1x06 right. literally a repeat?
last intro :(( i'm soo fucking sad. im sad. sadsaddsad oh yay arian. saaaaaaad
EBBA
shaved matsson cursed. hate that
matsson as shiv's puppet i don't think he's gonna like that. if their deal goes through i would be really surprised
theories about roman running to mommy literally right. love that though
tomshiv is making me want to rip myself in half like rumplestiltskin. specifically the shiv part obvs
i'm sure smart people have already made posts about this but. caroline called shiv.
NEW JESS NO
"let's bag him and tag him" dog (gone rogue) motif? idk anything about hunting
roman looking beat up in a normal t shirt wearing bracelets these are my dreams come true
caroline is so real. eyes ARE disgusting. face eggs
LAWRENCE YEE
kendall looks like a fucking disney villain driving up in his range rover in a suit sing-songing roman's name
SHIV TITS
okay tomgreg scene time to think about other things. everything revolving around roman is my dream finale <3 i want him to be okay but i also love it when he's not okay. you can't lose when you play both sides
shiv is way too sure of winning so she's for sure not winning huh
tom said grinder like- [i am shot in the head before i can continue]
fully flexing my swedish here
caroline is so right. get out you guys
wait sib alliance back on?? can this be real
i hate to say it but i think kendall's right he should be the one to take over
them talking about roman's breakdown while he's hugging himself is exactly what i wanted but it will make me want to kill myself forever
noo guys don't go in the waterrrrr don't you know about the motif
roman talking about sharks in the water is literally me but this time for real for real because i do have a debilitating shark phobia
if succession genuinely has a fucking. shark attack in it. (once again on my birthday) like that's legit fucking personal. jesse armstrong has read my diary and wants to ruin my life
i just googled 'succession shark' that's how paranoid i am lmaooo
kendall don't. DON'T go in the water
i know it's ridiculous i don't like the killing kendall conversation. this is the finale please don't play me with rn
okay the music is starting which means this scene is over and they can get out of the water right please get out get out right now
are they gonna actually accidentally kill kendall. or will it be on purpose and that was a double bluff
they are spending wayy too much time on this scene for a series finale that's already pretty long so. something's definitely gonna happen with the fucking smoothie. i feel sick
okay scene is over i feel like an idiot but relieved lol. maybe just a last happy siblings scene? if that's the case i'm glad we got that. i'm happy that scene was so long
wait shiv hasn't done anything controversial yet. is this like. a double bluff? i don't know how that would work i don't think that's the case
connor's peepaw slay
hope this isn't the only time gerri shows up but if it is i'm glad she's there at all
krank real
okay tom told shiv i know what's gonna happen and i think i'm okay with that kind of betrayal
i LOVE that greg's fucking parasite both sides shit finally came to bite him in the ass. if greg has a bad ending succession has a good ending
matsson screaming for ebba that's me.
yeah that's what i thought. i'm okay with that. like i wanted more for shiv and for the sibs but that was never gonna happen
living for the karoline hugo rivalry
STEWYYYY
okay stewy queer confirmed <3 like we all knew but still. also that line is gonna sustain the kenstewys for months
GERRIII and immediate zoom on roman lol
noo roman he seemed so weirdly okay until now. the pill scene is coming up huh
jesus i. i can't think of anything to say. poison
so my guess right now is. kendall is becoming logan but he also loses the vote. so he did That for nothing
it's literally 1x06. kendall sitting where logan sat, frank doing the notes
they're 4-4 and roman's next. 1x06 babyyyyyy
you could argue he made a different choice because he voted for kendall this time but. just like 1x06 he was pressured into that vote by a guy who uses physical violence against him. still with the parallels
they just said 6-6? did they count votes we didn't hear or am i an idiot
please don't threaten suicide right now ken. now's not the time
i think lying about the waiter is the worst thing kendall has ever done and that includes the scene with roman just before
i hate that roman said iverson and sophie aren't kendall's kid (real 'just playing devil's advocate' move) but i loooooove that he defended shiv <3
living for disillusioned roman. he might make kendall kill himself but he knows what's up
yeah i don't see an ending where kendall lives
tomgreg final breakup <3 i hope greg dies in a ditch
gerri's safe <333333
the romelukas ao3 potential though
good ending because ebba wins. can't believe i have the url of someone who won succession
roman drinking a martini :((((
roman drinking a martini :))))))
jesus christ kendall and colin
don't go near the water kendall. kendall listen to me.
okay think i'm gonna do a round-up post
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What’s the difference between handsome jack and Timothy and like that other guy 🤭
jack is a dictator and a bitch, tim is an actor and valid, and i assume the other guy in question is rhys :? he’s a bottom
asdfkjdfhgfd ok but fr i assume this is about my post abt wanting to go off about their parallels? but like. backwards, with differences? bc that’s also an interesting take and idk if you expected me to start rambling but i WILL either way so lemme put it under a read more bc it gets long like all my rambles
update after i finished typing this: this turned into a full-on essay i am so sorry. also there’s big spoilers for bl2, bl:tps, tftbl, bl3 and the bl3 dlc. so everything, basically hehe.
their driving forces are different: jack’s is, technically, wanting to make the world a better place (that’s what he genuinely thinks he’s doing, even tho he’s coming at it from the wrong direction). he just thinks killing like, most of pandora’s citizens counts as making it better, and he views order as his top goal basically, and wants to achieve it at any cost (which i will elaborate on soon too!)
rhys’s driving force is kind of selfish? success, honestly. of course it gets deeper and more complex as the story goes along, and he’s got more time-limited goals, but at the end of the day his dream is to run a company, and then when he achieves it his goal is to keep his company safe
tim’s driving force is mostly just. to survive. he takes the body double job to pay off his student loans (bc unfortunately you need money to survive), he kills other body doubles in the casino as self defense, he cuts off his own hand to stay alive and get out of the casino (and well. for moxxi and other people in it. but let’s focus on the staying alive part)
there’s also the whole thing of how they achieve their goals (i said i’ll elaborate on it. and here we are)
jack, as i mentioned, wants to achieve his goal at any cost. he stops at nothing. he kills countless people - one of them being roland, wipes out entire towns, enslaves his own daughter, kidnaps lilith, all to get to his goal of solving pandora’s problem, aka its residents. he doesn’t value other people’s life, and puts his own life and his own goal before others
rhys and tim both however, lean more into the sacrificing agenda, both giving up actual parts of their bodies to achieve small-time goals (ending jack, saving the casino) that eventually factor into their main ones, and in order to keep other people and themselves safe. BUT! they also kill people on the way. because that’s how borderlands is, really
but other than that, tim sacrificed his entire self to keep living even before the whole casino thing. he technically sold his identity - you could argue he also stops at nothing to achieve his goal, but only when the cost is himself, and he hurts other people only when the moment or the small-time goal calls for it
rhys is a mix of them both, technically, but this is also his development. he starts like jack, stopping at nothing to get his goal - backstabbing, stealing, using people - but in the end falls into that sacrificing role like tim, but also into a different role: working with others. you could argue both tim and jack also worked with others during their stories and development, and while it’s technically true, it wasn’t a significant part of their story (well. for jack i guess it was the betrayal by the people he worked with that helped turn him into something else, but i’m talking more abt people like nisha and wilhelm) like it was for rhys.
ANOTHER ASPECT!!!!! if i already mentioned working with others!!!! is trust, and betrayal!
i’m gonna start with the one i have least to say about regarding that aspect, and that’s tim, because it’s not a very prominent part of his story. even when one betrayal gets him VERY screwed in thjp dlc, he’s... technically not the main one getting betrayed? or rather, the way that part if written and played n all, it doesn’t feel like it, even though he’s the one that suffers most from it in the end. the betrayal itself doesn’t sting as much, because i doubt there was much trust there in the first place.
gonna move on the jack bc the betrayals he’s suffered are p straight forward: everyone he trusted. he even says it in tftbl, to make it clearer (”i’ve been betrayed by everybody i gave a rat’s ass about”). those betrayals turned him worse, made him care less, but not trust less, is the thing - and he ended up getting betrayed again and again, because he didn’t learn from them and kept hurting people or doing such terrible things that made others not want to associate with him and take him down.
rhys’s whole trust thing is really interesting and this is where i become that one image bc i’m bringing up my favorite arc from bl3 to both play and analyze, but starting with tftbl! (this is going to be so much longer i’m sorry) rhys comes from an environment that basically forces him to doubt people. hyperion is full of backstabbing and people trying to one-up each other - hell, the first time we see him is when vasquez screws him over. and then, throughout the rest of tftbl all the way to the last episode, we see rhys getting betrayed or think he’s being betrayed over and over. with vaughn (thinking he’d sell him out to vasquez), with yvette (actually selling him out to vasquez), with sasha and fiona (thinking they ditched him on helios), with jack (just. all of ch4′s ending and ch5′s beggining). H O W E V E R despite all that!!!! he keeps on trusting people. you get a chance to forgive all of these people except for jack, you get a chance to mend your broken connections later on, and. well. now comes my favorite part of bl3: you see rhys blindly trusting someone, no matter how many people tell him not to the writing in bl3 is far from perfect, including in that part, and most of it is for comedy honestly, but i still love it and what it says abt rhys’s character, even though it became a bit flatter. he trusts zer0, and he refuses to listen to anyone trying to make him question them, even though it puts him and his driving force - now being keeping atlas safe - at risk. of course, that trust ends up paying up at the end - and well. that’s also a repeating motif in the betrayals rhys experiences, and part of it might be the reasoning for them
jack experiences those betrayals because he’s a dick and keeps hurting people. rhys experiences those betrayals because he’s got stuff people need and is kind of unlucky (and also half of those betrayals aren’t even real but rather just Look like ones), that’s why they get resolved, and that’s why he keeps trusting people. and well, as i said about tim, he doesn’t really get betrayed in a way that affects or is affected by his character, but the one he does experience is the same as rhys - because he’s got something someone needs and is kind of unlucky.
ok i!!! think i ran out of things to say. for now. it’s 4:30 am and i worte an essay comparing borderlands characters. but i had fun so it’s okay. thank you for the ask anon and shoutout to anyone who read through the whole thing :P
#GOD this is so long i'm sorry ajsdgdf#dan rambles#long post#in case the read more thing doesn't work on mobile or smth oof#Anonymous
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Dear DC3, here’s the answer you deserve....
Once again, my friend, once again you manage to make me tear up at work and spend an entire day thinking about how to reply to you. But I’m going to try. AS best as I can without starting to cry again ahahaha everything you said is in bold and my answer will be bellow each part. Here we go....
Your mind? Unmatched. Your writing ability? Flawless. Hotel? Trivago.
Okay, so two three things first:
1. I’m not sure if you can see my email (I had to put it on the form to submit this), but just in case you can I want it to be known that middle school me did not know how horrible a person real life Randy Orton is. I have since come to my senses and no longer stan.
- I completely understand because I too have an embarassing email and it’s too late to let it go ahaha
2. I’m sorry this took a century to get to you. My only excuse is a winter storm that the States had wrecked my internet connection (and my will to do anything productive, tbh). To make up for it, I shall share my thoughts on both chapter 10 and the epilogue at the same time so it doesn’t take me another hundred years to message you about the last chapter.
- I would’ve waited another century, don’t worry :) as for the storm, I hope the only thing it damaged was your internet connection and that other than that, everything else is okay. And just like your internect connection, I hope your will to do anything productive has been restored!
Sidenote: I’m finishing writing this at 4:30am where I live, so I’m going to go ahead and apologize if most of this has spelling errors or doesn’t make sense. I’m going to try and go back over this before I submit it so you don’t have to read a whole mess………. but also I’m tired so….. sorry :D
- 4.30am??????????? On a week day?????????? Holy shit! Thank you for your bravery, truly ahahaha
Anyways, onto my favorite fic ever…
- *blushes*
I love how you were able to explain The Marine 6’s plot in a way that didn’t take away from the story you were telling. I believe that even if I never watched the film, I would still be able to understand what was going on… but since I did watch the whole thing, I greatly appreciated how you structured this chapter in a way that you didn’t explicitly need to recap everything that was going on in the movie. It made for a much smoother read, so thank you.
- Phew! I’m glad to know that, both those things. The structure and the plot. Because I struggled a little bit with making sure everything would fit and make sense and I had to keep thinking about the movie and plot holes where I could fit my story so.... It was a lot of juggling. And fun fact: I tweeted the director of the movie about how long he thinks the action of the movie took, just to be sure my hours were correct but he didn’t get the questions and told me how long it took them to shoot the movie so I just went with my calculations ahahahaha
“In fact, had Maddy stayed in their apartment another minute or two, Cassie would’ve been on her knees pleading for her not to go.” I love this sentence because of how easily you were able to express Cassie’s love for Maddy in four short words: “on her knees pleading.” Picturing tall, strong Cassie so willing to show that type of vulnerability to Maddy is just so… i can’t think of the word… idyllic? idk… it was just a really gentle moment between the two. I genuinely enjoyed that simple sentence.
- Now that you mention it, I’m actually picturing tall strong Cassie on her knees begging Maddy not to go and it hurts. But I get what you’re saying. Is a type of vulnerability not everyone is willing to give/feel and we don’t get to see every day. But those two? They’re on that level.
Also, I love how you were able to insert your own universe in actual movie events without it being a reach. For example, having Cassie be the reason the boat and Cat showed up was a really nice touch and such an effortless way to express how much Cass looks out for Maddy.
- Cat actually shows up because Maddy asks one of the guys to ask her to return and bring the rest of them but, while Cat is driving there, she can still tell Cassie what’s happening. As for the boat, it felt so random in the movie that I had to explain it. Like......... She’s supposed to hold Sarah hostage in the building and then leave so why would the boat be there? Makes no sense ahahaha
I’m not sure if I’ve ever properly addressed this (and I’m still not sure how to word it correctly), but I love how your foreshadowing(?) comes off almost offhandedly? Like, you mentioned once about the significance of Cassie’s name in Greek mythology and then you subtly had that theme pop up in Maddy’s musings about her in past chapters… and if you weren’t paying attention I feel like it’d be easy to overlook those little tie-ins you so seamlessly include. I think it’s referred to as a motif? I’m not really sure, though, I never really spent time trying to understand that stuff in school and now I’m kinda regretting it lol. But anyways, I believe this is the first time you outwardly used that mythology connection to Cassie’s “predicting” an event in this chapter à la the drowning nightmare she had after watching a scary movie before bed. And that’s not the only thing that you would reference to in a past chapter and then repeatedly tie into something going on in the current chapter (like the life-changing car ride moments, the knife, etc.)… This story was so connected and thought out it blows my mind because I feel like that’s the type of writing I usually see in actual books and not fanfiction.
- Tbh I have no idea what it’s called either ahahahahaha but....... I truly like full circles. In shows and movies and books. And when they’re, like you say I do, easily overlooked, it makes everything more awesome because whenever you go back, you find something new. And I like that so.... I write that................. One thing about Cassie’s predictions tho. The mythology about her said no one believed her predictions and Maddy didn’t believe she shouldn’t go and, well, look what happened.
You’re such an intelligent writer and I’m not sure if I just never paid enough attention to other fics before or what, but I feel like I haven’t seen the same amount of time, dedication, and thought you put into your work be replicated in the same success in anything else I’ve read on ao3. And that’s not to say that other stories I spent time reading on that site weren’t good or the author didn’t spend as much time as you did on their story… but idk dude, there was just something so special about your fic that I had to say something. Honestly, I think that’s what made me reach out to you, to begin with. I just needed you to know how fantastic this story was because it touched me in a way other fics haven’t. But lemme stop this ramble here because we have more of the actual story to discuss…
- *insert photo of Becky, crying, holding her title close to her chest after the Last Woman Standing match*
I’m not sure if it was how I was reading it or if you meant it this way, but once Michael helped Cassie provide Maddy another means of an escape through water, I feel like Cassie’s panic over the situation skyrocketed and that feeling was replicated in the way you wrote her thought process. I even started to read the chapter a bit faster to find out what was going to happen next, which caused me to miss things; I had to go back and force myself to slow down and absorb your words properly- something I feel like Cassie was also doing as to not prematurely freak out over a situation that hasn’t happened yet. So that was kind of cool “bonding” moment I had with Cassie there lol.
- I love that you bonded with Cassie for all the wrong reasons ahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahaah but yeah, I meant it like that. The fact that Michael sent the boat didn’t help Cassie calm down. It only worsen the situation for her because all she could think about was her dream and it was suffocating her.
“This time, Cassie’s heart was sinking lower and lower in her body. To a depth she had never reached.” STOP WITH THE DROWNING REFERENCES IT HURTS MY HEART!!!
- I’M. SORRY.
“IF YOU DON’T CALL IT, I WILL PICK UP THAT PHONE AND I WILL MOVE HELL IF I HAVE TO.” I imagine if this was a movie that this would be the part where the audience would cheer the main character for not sitting idly by and letting the love of their life die and also where the gays would weep because "they love each other so much” 😂
- True and every true ahahahahahaahhahahaha
“I’m not going to lose the love of my life because of someone who never loved her enough.” Okay, wow, the power of that statement hurt but also YASSSSS CASSIE. It’s ridiculous how much you’ve made me love these characters. Like I feel actual happiness that Maddy has someone like Cassie to love her that perfectly (and i’m a lil jealous because why can’t I find my own Cassie?)
- Confession: I had to stop writing after that line because I started crying about it. And that was one of the lines I didn’t have planned. I was doing my thing, thinking about that dialogue and suddenly I hear Cassie’s crying voice say that in the back of my mind and I had to sit down because well, shit. (you’ll find your Cassie unless...................... you’re Cassie!)
Also, it is so refreshing to have a healthy parental relationship being shown here. Honestly, the fact that Michael, without question, gave up a favor with the coast guard all based on Cassie feeling that something was wrong is HUGE. Michael could have used that favor if something went wrong in a deal and they had to hide evidence in the water or something… like it could have been a “get out of jail free” card and he didn’t even blink when deciding to use it on Cassie’s whim. I’m so, so, so happy Maddy found the Knox’s. She deserves this level of love after the bullshit her father has put her through… When you expand this universe into little one-shots, I would love to see the Knox family dynamics where Maddy is concerned. Like the process of how each member fell in love and accepted this broken Irish girl into their family and the maddening moments where they could tell Maddy didn’t understand how important she is to them. I can just imagine how many headaches her obliviousness gave the Knox’s throughout the years.
- Michael might be a mob king but he’s a very Soft man. And not only did he knew how much Maddy meant to Cassie, he also wasn’t willing to lose Maddy. Which means that if he could do something to save her, even if it meant giving up a “get out of jail free” card, as you say it, to help? Then so be it. Also isn’t it painfully interesting that Horus destroyed Maddy’s life in more ways than one but at the same time, he was the one that gave her the Knox’s? Makes you think.......................................... As for your wish, consider it granted. Title of the story? “Michael and Beth: 2 times they realized they loved Maddy and 2 times they wished she understood.”
When you switch back to Maddy’s POV and she basically says she deserves to die because of the choices she made, I wanted to grab her out of the water and strangle her myself for being so DUMB to believe she deserved it and for how SELFISH she was by giving up because Cassie doesn’t deserve a dead girlfriend!!!! Ugh, I love her so much but sometimes I really want to ram Maddy’s head against the wall lmaoo.
- Same, my friend, same ahahahahaha when I imagined the scene and proceeded to write it, I remember laughing because c’mon Madssssssssssssssssssssss, the girl is waiting!
“Beth, her mother, was waiting by the hospital door and no one seemed to be around. Strange for that time of the day.” Ah, I see the “great lengths to protect” Maddy conversation we had on tumblr came to play here. Again, I’m so glad she has this family in her life.
- That’s exactly it. Michael emptied that aisle of the hospital just so Maddy could be taken in without being seen.
Also, did the importance of the mausoleum ever come into play? Maybe I’ll answer my own question when I reread the epilogue to write my comments on that… Speaking of, I can’t believe how long this post already is and I’m not even on the epilogue yet.
- Not explicitly, no. Since the Hayes left when Nora was killed, her body was left behind for others to bury. Others being her family that never approved her marriage to Horus. So, obviously, they’d bury her on their terms, with her name. It was also a little bit of foreshadowing that Maddy too wouldn’t be buried in the mausoleum.
“To know it was real and that she hadn’t been fed false hopes only to crumble to her knees by a hospital bed.” Hmmmmm, is this a subtle nod to earlier in the chapter where Cassie was going to drop to her knees and beg Maddy to stay? ‘Cause then you do the same thing with the, “Everything was calm. The storm had already passed. And they both reached the shore. Safe and sound.” lines. Tying it back to the beginning of their relationship where a storm was roaring until they stopped being stupid and gentle rain awarded them after they finally embraced. It’s poetic really.
- I didn’t meant that kneeling to be a subtle nod to the beginning of the chapter but I did mean the storm passing one. Good eye!!!!!!
I don’t even want to talk about the following paragraphs that lead to the end of the story. They’re too perfect and heartbreaking and there’s nothing for me to say because you already have. Brava, my friend.
- I feel you but let me just say that I felt a little bit of pride with the last two lines Michael and Beth said. The whole “we’re asking you to marry our daughter”.
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Onto the epilogue…
Honestly, I’m not sure I’m going to have a lot to say on this because this whole chapter is just so perfect to me. You couldn’t pay me to come up with a better ending than this… Everything just came so full circle, it’s beautiful. I can easily picture the epilogue being an end credit scene of the film where you think the hard parts are over and haynox is living an idyllic life out in Ireland, just for the ending seconds of the film to close out on the two kicking ass and being the badass partner in crime duo we know them to be. I love it, I love it, I love it.
- Yeeeeeeeeeees, that’s what I meant for it to be. End credits, wrapping up everything. And when it all looks nice and smooth, the fire starts to burn and our partner in crime duo start to be badass again!
“But you love and respect your wife so…” Ahhh!!! it’s so weird seeing them call each other that, but (if you couldn’t tell) I love it! It’s what these dummies deserve. Also, I have a feeling it might have gone over my head, but is the necklace metaphor about their love/Maddy not being able to slip away? Like the necklace is tying down the ring so it can’t do something stupid like, say, DROWN IN THE WATER? 😂
- Huahahahahaha Maddy feels the same way, she’s also not used to the new term but they’ll get used to it. They have a lifetime to do so after all. As for the metaphor, it’s two things actually xD The first one you’re very close. I don’t know if you watched Jennifer’s Body but the only reason why Jennifer doesn’t die when Needy stabs her is because of their friendship necklace and when Needy rips it off, she dies. It’s like she’s tied to life by it. And the same can be said about Maddy and her necklace + ring. (it also means Cassie has Maddy by the throat which relates to their bedroom shenanigans but lets leave it at that ahahahah)
Also, the whole funeral scene was gold. From Cassie wanting to burn Horus alive and then realizing Hell will do that for her to Maddy being an idiot for considering leaving the car but allowing Cassie to have the control in confronting her father and finally ending her story with the Hayes. Ugh. Genius.
- Initially, I had planned for Cassie to set his car on fire and then drive away but as a I was writing, it sort of happened this way and I like it much better ahahah And we all know Maddy is an idiot but Cassie avenged her properly so it was all good.
Speaking of, you handled the time jumps so effortlessly and I could see you going back to certain events in your side stories- like Cassie helping Maddy through her fear of water, their first Christmas together as a couple, Maddy realizing that she was wrong before and that warm home she didn’t believe she could have again in Ireland was always possible with Cassie by her side… so many possibilities. (Also, I’d 100% be content with just playing them out in my head, so don’t feel obligated/overwhelmed to write them!)
- All of these have been added to my to-do list ahahahaha but I’m on vacation right now so unless you want to talk about certain parts of that before I start writing, we can. If not, starting February 22, I will HOPEFULLY make it rain again.
Okay, so the reasoning behind Maddy’s new name is perfect and everything I never knew I needed. And I totally see Maddy in you with the “…was more than what you thought you deserved. And more than you could ever thank them for.” bit. Newsflash, my friend, you and Maddy both deserve what this story has given you. I hope that one day you both can accept how wonderful you are and how much you deserve the praises you get on the world’s you create.
- All I can say to this message is thank you and I truly hope you’re right because in this moment? I can only vouch for Maddy when I say she deserves the world. Can’t say the same about myself. But I appreciate your words, all of them and I’m forever thankful for them. I hope you know that.
Weird coincidence, but I recently stumbled upon the song “Call Me” by Shinedown and have been kind of obsessed with it so when I found out that the pub and shop are called Sinners and Saints I was shooketh™ because that’s literally a line in the song… Anyways, I love the name of the buildings. I feel like that fits who they are so perfectly, you know? They are not one or the other, hot or cold, in or out, they’re always a perfect mix of both.
- I just heard that song and it’s preeeeeeeeetty cool and can actually fit Maddy, if you think about it. The names of the buildings actually came from the song that names the chapter because I feel it perfectly recaps the story. But yes, they’re a mix of both and isn’t that the best place to be?
And my god, we do not deserve Cassie. Her buying the shop? Painting the door green? Doing the research to find out the name of the pub that Maddy herself forgot? Having an auto shop be RIGHT there????? It’s fate. The red string theory. All the people and events they had to go through brings them right back where it started because that’s where they belong. It’s beautiful, so, so beautiful.
- When Cassie bought the shop, she asked for the history of it, previous owners and all that to get the information about it. And the auto shop was built from scratch because it wasn’t there. The red string theory always comes into play and especially here because, if you think about, they would’ve met at the pub even if Maddy’s left hadn’t changed. Think with me. Maddy would keep working at the pub, unknowing about the rest and one day Cassie and Michael enter to greet Horus and say their brewery is branching into Europe. It would’ve happened anyway.
I love that you showed Maddy calling Michael. She finally has a father that not only cares about her but is someone Maddy feels like she can go to and express herself to. And I love how you wrapped up her life in America. I can’t remember what chapter it was in, but I know you mentioned that even though Maddy does bad things, she always tries to make sure the innocents are spared so they don’t have to experience what she had to. So to see Neptune, the shop, and the rest of her employees being taken cared of instead of just forgotten after her “death” is perfect and such a Maddy thing to do. I’m thrilled you included that small bit.
- She could’ve called Beth but she wanted specific information only Michael could give. And yes, she finally has A Father. That’s her motto. That and the fact that it was never about the money. So she always paid her employees handsomely and if they needed help with a children tuition of something, she’d gladly pay for it. Knowing about that dependency, she would obviously leave them her car shop money if anything was to happen. Which she did.
I also love that haynox didn’t have to give up everything they wanted to be safe. In fact, they got everything they ever wanted- they’re married and in love, Maddy has her car shop she worked so hard for, Cassie has the brewery that she gets to build from the ground up, they’re both still involved in the crime business, and they both get to live in a place they consider to be “home.” You could not have written a more perfect ending.
- Everything they ever wanted is their, so long as they work for it. And they did. And now it’s time to enjoy every second of it. Together.
You gave them paradise.
- And you gave me many reasons to smile. I’m beyond thankful for the day that you decided to follow my story and felt so............. compelled by it............... that you decided to reach out and overwhelm me time and time again. Thank you. So much. For everything. I hope you stick around for more and I hope you know how awesome and kind and giving you are :)
#dc3#my friend you overwhelm my heart with positivity and i'm not used to it#still so thankful#haynox paradise
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under a cut because this got long @aniimvs
9. How do they manifest energy, exhaustion, tension, or other strong emotions?
he wears it on his sleeve like he is NOT good at hiding his emotions (which is sometimes a liability when it comes to secret jobs or attempts to get people on their side. it comes out physically like he runs his hands through his hair, he taps his fingers on anything in front of him or is just in constant motion. poe isn’t great at sitting still even when everything is very chill so when he’s upset or tense it100% comes out as just like. constant motion. even in small ways he just feels better when he’s moving.
as for exhaustion, he just tries to work through it. will keep himself awake and going until he basically collapses.
another thing is that because of his weird connection to the force (and because i think it’s cool) he is drawn to being outside whenever he can be and when he’s angry this becomes much, much stronger. he feels very much like he’s got lightning inside him and he has to been outside in order to deal with that. idk how to explain this but yeah.
17. Are they more shaped by nature or nurture — who they are, or what has happened to them? How have these shaped who they’ve become as a person?
both. very, very much both. he is his parents son down to his core. their drive and beliefs are ingrained in him from birth. it’s also really really important that he is born DURING the war he’s not a victory kid. he was born with like the shadow of the empire still firmly on him and his parents knew that, they brought him into this world as an act of rebellion and hope. he’s that personified.
but, the act of being born during the war also shaped his experiences because he was a kid during the war and he saw the destruction and pain the empire caused even though he was young and protected.
also it’s because of that that he can’t stay with the new republic because he SEES what they’re letting happen, knows that it’s starting again, and he can’t just stand back. that’s because of his parents and because he was raised the way he was and has seen what he’s seen.
25. What do they need and want out of relationships, and how do they go about getting it?
he needs honesty like more than anything. honesty and communication. i fully believe kes and shara really made sure that poe has a comfortable relationship with communicating his needs in any kind of relationship and he carries that into adulthood. so if someone is always hiding things from him or not giving as much as he is that’s when he’s going to be upset.
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he’s willing to tell them that, he doesn’t stew in silence he’ll bring it up and tell his partner what he needs from them.
32. Do they have any “props” that are a significant part of their life, identity, activities, or self-presentation somehow? What are they, how are they used, and why are they so significant? How would these props’ absence impact them, how would they compensate, and why?
the main one is his mother’s ring which he wears around his neck. kes gave it to him when he left for the republic flight academy. he always, always wears it and is incredibly careful with it because it means so much to him. it’s something he will only give when he’s sure he’s met the love of his life.
if he lost it he would be genuinely inconsolable and feel incredibly, incredibly guilty. it’s a connection to both his parents and a sign of hope for the future, it’s like kes gave it to him as a way of forcing poe to think about his future, to not give up his whole life fighting not that it always works but it does sometimes.
the other big one is his ship(s) i’ve said it before but i stand by saying that poe specifically designs his x-wings in such a way that they stand out so that HE BECOMES THE MAIN TARGET he knows the fo knows who he is and knows they’ll go after him above basically everyone else and so he does what he can to keep them on his tail both because he trusts in his abilities to outfly them and think it’ll give any of the others a better chance of success and living.
35. How and why do they internalize knowledge? What effect has that had on them?
i truly do not know how to answer this question i will think on it
41. What associations do they bring to mind? Words or phrases, images, metaphors or motifs? Why?
lightning, stars, the sky in general especially wide open over trees
the song fearless by seventeen
this poem
anything involving atlas metaphors also
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Some notes about Witch!Mercy and Oni!Genji AU:
Mercy was once a highly regarded healer. She was well known for her magic and worked briefly with Jack, Ana, and Gabe. How long and intimately I’m not sure--
Genji was her first resurrection and attempt at Necromancy. He’s a half failed attempt thus his need for omnic technology to sustain himself- He is not bound to Mercy out of contract but more so a mix of actual love/admiration and a sense of obligation since she did save his life.
After she saved Genji, she was outcasted/shunned for using Necromancy and everyone she considered her friends abandoned her- this caused her to grow increasingly bitter as years passed.
Gabe was her second attempt and far more successful (despite the erm, head issues). It was at this point that she started using binding spells to make deals with those she “helped” and she preyed on Gabe’s anger at Jack and Ana so that he could have the chance to take them down.
Junkenstein is vital to her for his ability to create the zomnics. His part of the bargain to uphold is to help her and create for her- this is also to maintain upkeep on Genji’s body because she cannot properly ‘fix’ him at this point.
The relationship between Genji and Angela is a bit strained. Genji developed feelings for her before shit went down, and he’s very dedicated to her even as she’s changed because he knows what she’s really like. Angela is very thankful to Genji for his loyalty but is a bit blind to any true romantic intentions- their relationship is very back and forth as she’s very distrusting of his motives at times since she has no real control over him, and he’s wary of actually initiating a full relationship with her with how she is at the time.
Genji is actually in a bit of a better place emotionally because he saw Angela deteriorate and realized he didn’t want to do the same. He’s still a bit bitter with his brother and would attack with intent to kill if he saw him- but is not seeking him out for revenge because he sees how it drives Mercy mad.
I want Zenyatta to be here somewhere bc he’s an important... um, robot.... in Genji’s lore but I’m not sure how to fit him in w/ the setting just yet. Maybe as a creation of Junkenstein’s???
I might draw more for this AU idk tho because I fucking hate drawing Oni!Genji.....
Continued statement: Oni!Genji is not an oni or demon, he took on the motif to complete the kind of look Mercy was going for lmao. He’s regarded as the witch’s devil by those who’ve seen him.
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