#su-han

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

You know, a person made the coment about how Gabriel shouldn't have been the main villain for so long, and I agree completely.

But besides Felix and Nathalie, there hasn't been a villain who is also a Miraculous holder, or at least who wishes the miraculouses of Ladybug and Chat Noir for themselves, which is... Strange, because we are talking about a wish to modify reality!

Many people, organizations, and even governments would want a piece of that! Hell, even Chloe would want some of that! Gabriel shouldn't have been the only person who was uncomfortable with his life! (And akumas do not count, because it has been well established that they are Monarch's VICTIMS)

You know what would have been great? More villains interested in the miraculouses when Gabriel was still around, you know why? Because it would not only challenge Marinette and cemented the idea of "Ladybug and Chat Noir against the WORLD", but would have also challenged GABRIEL, because now not only Gabriel would have to get Ladybug and Chat Noir's Miraculouses to get what he wants, now he would also have to get them FIRST.

Which means he would have to be on amert 24/7, becuase if it's not one of his akumas who gets the miraculouses, it would be another villain, WHICH HE CAN'T ALLOW, he would have to change his strategies, negotiate, scheme more, watch out for his own ass because he would also have people wanting to find out who he is, search for info, USE HIS BRAIN, and even serve as an excuse for Ladybug ans Chat Noir to find out who he is, because he would be dealing with so much shit he would get sloppy one day or another and give himself away!

It would have been a change of pace and made the show interesting because it would have challenged everyone, but somehow Thomas decides to take the most boring decisions for the show...

You know who could have been an interesting wild card to add to the show's rogues' gallery? Su-Han.

Think about it. He's the leader of the Order of the Guardians, the people connected to protecting the Miraculous, the show already hinted at the Guardians not being perfect due to how they caused Fu to accidentally destroy their temple, and Su-Han is trained in a martial art designed specifically to fight Miraculous users.

What if, instead of making sporadic appearances where he does nothing but yell at Ladybug, Su-Han starts opposing both Ladybug and Monarch's factions? What if he believes none of the characters should be using Miraculous, so he and the Guardians try to take away everyone's Miraculous?

That way, you'd have a third party threatening both the heroes and villains, a chance to expand on the show's lore, and possibly create situations where Ladybug and Cat Noir have to team up with Monarch.

[ladymiraclewings]

Master Su-Han: You’ll be happy to know that Kwamis as a species haven’t had one day off in thousands of years. Plagg: So you’ll just work us to death? Master Su-Han: We’ll sure try.

[weisssgeld]

Mirakung-fu training : Meditation

[futurefantasy519]

Imagine a scenario where Adrien becomes a Guardian with his own Miracle Box that has its own Miraculous with power over time. Specifically, it grants the holder the power to freeze time for everything except for themselves and whatever they happen to be touching when they activate it. I've tried to think of ways to keep this from becoming a story-breaker power, but then I realized that I could just make it too dangerous to use.

Su-Han: How often have you used the power to stop time?

Adrien: Not that much. Turns out that freezing time for five seconds isn't that useful when you can't move anything that's been frozen. Oh, but once I'm able to use a Miraculous' power without any limits, maybe I can...

Su-Han: NO!

Adrien: What?! What's wrong?

Su-Han: You must never use the power to stop time for anything but the greatest, most dire of emergencies, after absolutely every other option has failed.

Adrien: But why?

Su-Han: Out of the three Miraculouses that possess power over time, it is by far the most dangerous. Halting the flow of time itself is the most unnatural of conditions. If such power is overused in the slightest, it could break all of time itself.

Adrien: What does that mean?

Su-Han: Imagine a dam holding back a massive river. Now imagine that it can not handle the strain and breaks, flooding the lands before it. Now, instead of a linear rivier, you have a sea of conflicting currents and whirlpools. This particular sea will drown the entire planet, if not the whole universe. In some places, time will be accelerated to the point that a newborn will become an old man within an hour. In others, time will be reversed, forcing everyone to perform all actions backward. In still other places, time will be permanently stopped, trapping any poor soul within in stasis forever. All of this is just a portion of what will happen if time breaks.

Adrien: My lord. Has this happened before?

Su-Han: Once long ago, when the Order was still young. In the end, the Wish was required to fix everything, and the one who made it took the price for it with him to his grave. Do you understand now why you must never abuse this power?

Adrien: I do, master. I swear never to use it for anything except sneaking away for date night with Marinette

Su-Han: What?! No, that is a completely inappropriate use for it.

Adrien: But you said that it was for emergencies. And what could be more urgent than true love?

Su-Han: BOY!!!!!

(Btw-Adrien was just kidding in the last part)

[theerurishipper]

I will say this: if Su-Han was The Supreme, it'd be so easy to beat him. All you'd need to do is have Adrien and Marinette go back to our world and get an Alliance ring and he'd be so befuddled by this swanky new modern contraption it that he'd just. Quit. Like, he'd get addicted to cat videos and give up on world domination just like that. Have Gabriel design him a pair of fancy shoes on top of that and he'd just jump away. Cause who needs world domination when you can have drip instead amirite.

[celestiall0tus]

Calm Before the Storm - Chapter 5 - Deadly Sins

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            Wayhem sighed as he scrolled through the latest from the Agreste brand. He smiled seeing Adrien as radiant and dazing as ever. Though a pang of sorrow hit him as he wished he could have seen Adrien outside of the lovely photos. He had been able to get peeks at Adrien whenever he saw Adrien around, but never had the chance to speak with him like before. It was like Adrien couldn’t see him anymore.

            “Do you want that to change?” Adrien’s voice asked.

            Wayhem gasped and looked around his room. Chills ran up his spine as the air chilled around him. He moved to stand when an imitation Adrien manifested in his room. He screamed and fell back.

            “Who are you?”

            “I’m a friend that can give you exactly what you desire most, and the power to achieve it.”

            “I… I don’t know what you mean.”

            “Oh, Wayhem, I can see right into your heart. You long for him. The boy with hair of sunshine gold, fair and beautiful skin, a voice of angels, all wrapped up nicely with those piercing, hypnotic eyes. But it doesn’t just stop there. Oh, no. You want to know his touch, his embrace, his everything. I can see it. I can feel it.”

            Wayhem blushed. “N-no. No! I don’t want all of that. Well, maybe a little, but… he’s just… just a friend.”

            “Aww, poor thing. Why deny yourself when you could have so much more? Especially when he needs your help.”

            “He… he needs me?”

            “Oh, yes. Adrien has lost his way as he chases that which is lost to him. Would you not want to help save him from himself? Would you not want to show him something better? Something newer?”

            “I… I suppose? And you could help me with that?”

            The imitation Adrien smirked and held out its hand. A belt chain materialized in its palm.

            “What’s that?”

            “A special jewel. With it, a covenant is forged, and a bargain made. Will you accept?”

            Wayhem considered, then took the belt chain and put it on.

            “Good. Shall we get started?”

            “Uh, how do we get started?”

            “Simple. You need only utter the phrase, ‘Libidine, lust.’ Only then will everything be sealed and I yours to use as you wish.”

            Wayhem hesitated. “I… are you sure this will help Adrien?”

            “Of course. I wouldn’t have any reason to lie to you.”

            Wayhem gulped. “Alright. Libidine, lust.”

~~

            Su-Han stopped to rest. He and the remaining Guardians were almost back to Paris. He hoped that they were not too late and they would be able to assist in stopping Hawkmoth. He lamented his missed opportunity when Hawkmoth, or rather Shadowmoth, seized all the miraculous from the temple while he was away. He would be sure to set things right this time. It was his duty as the Celestial Guardian.

            “Your guardianship means nothing anymore, old man,” a man’s voice hissed.

            Su-Han jumped to his feet. “Who’s there? Show yourself, coward!”

            A moment passed before a purple demon kwami materialized.

            “What the-? What kwami are you? Why are you roaming freely? Who was your Guardian?”

            Superbia laughed. “I belonged to no one. Your precious Mage felt it too dangerous to allow me and my fellow sins, and even loathsome virtues, to be created. At least, not without figuring out how to tamper with what we are.”

            “If that is all true, then how do you exist now?”

            “Why, because of Velze. Dear Daddy was brought back. He stripped all mortals of their dominion over us kwamis while giving all kwamis a physical form to inhabit.”

            “What? You lie!”

            “Lying is for the weak, and I am not weak. Everything I say is true. Anything that you once were is a mere memory. You are nothing. Even those teens could beat your sorry butts now. Granted, they all have our favored siblings. Shame. Daddy wasn’t supposed to have any favorites, but we know better.”

            “But… what about Hawkmoth?”

            “Oh, handled almost a year ago. See, you took too long and left everything to a bunch of teenagers that allowed your powers and rights to be stripped away. Now all kwamis are free to roam around and cause all sorts of mayhem as they please. Including little Plagg. My, I wonder what he’d get up to first now that he can use his powers without consequence.”

            Su-Han’s jaw dropped. “What? They didn’t! They wouldn’t!”

            “Oh, but they did. All kwamis are free and you have nothing. Now the world will fall to ruin and there’s nothing you can do about it. Unless.”

            “Unless what?”

            Superbia’s eyes lit up. “Let’s make a deal. You can become my holder, and you’d get access to the greatest of all powers.”

            “But… a Guardian is never meant to use a miraculous,” Su-Han argued.

            Superbia shrugged. “Suit yourself. I’m sure the others will understand.”

            “What others?”

            Superbia didn’t answer, but clapped their hands. Su-Han watched as the remaining four Guardians emerged from the shadow, transformed into demons.

            “What did you do to them?” Su-Han demanded.

            “I didn’t do anything. They made the choice. They choose power and a return to the true order. You can join them. You can gain the power of a kwami and return everything to how it is meant to be. That is, if you’re not scared.”

            Su-Han considered. “This is wrong.”

            “Oh, please. You mortals have such polarizing views. There is no true right or wrong. You allow such ideas to keep you from doing what you feel is good. So, what do you feel is good, Celestial Guardian?”

            “I… I want to keep Order. That is my job.”

            “Then what do you feel you should do?”

            Su-Han reconsidered. “Where is your jewel?”

            Superbia held out his hand as a pair of earrings materialized. Su-Han took a deep breath and put them on.

            “What is your phrase to transform?”

            “Utter the phrase, ‘Superbia, Pride,’ and this covenant will be sealed.”

            “Superbia, Pride.”

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[miraculousfanworks]

Fanfiction Prompt

Post Monarch defeat, all the Miraculous are recovered (except possibly the Peacock with Felix), the heroes daily grind switches from fighting Akumas to fighting rogue holders who begin to come out of the woodwork. After all, the core of the Guardian order was missing for over 170 years, and many of the Miraculous that weren't in the temple when the disaster happened have gone through multiple hands in the meantime. Su-han serves as a light mentor, compiling a list of the currently missing miraculouses. This is all well and good, until the day the Emperor Penguin Miraculous appears. Su-Han: Oh, oh no... This... This cannot BE! Ladybug: What? What's wrong, we defeated him and recovered the miraculous, what's wrong? Chat Noir: Yeah, what's the problem? Su-Han: You don't understand. There ISN'T an Emperor Penguin Miraculous! Chat Noir: Uh, Yeah there is, I'm holding it! Su-Han: Yes, but there WASN'T one before! The Magus never made one. I, I doubt he even knew about Penguins. Ladybug: So, what, someone made a new miraculous? Su-Han: I can think of no other possiblity. And that is VERY worrying. Because even WE don't know how to make Miraculouses. The Magus never taught any of his disciples the secret...

Prompt by Tiwaz

[miraculous-magicalconnections]

Wang Fu and Su-Han Xu Redesign

I really didn't change much with Fu, the main this was the design of his shirt (now having blue) and his camouflaged Miraculous matching it

Because they had to hide who they were, Su-Han and Wang had to dress in a way to keep themselves hidden from the public (this is expanded upon in the story) so I gave Su-Han a simple black hoodie and gray sweatpants as he's not the type of person to go all out

[hellishere7980]

After Happily Ever After

He always knew it would be a bad idea. Even when she was Ladybug. He first saw her on a screen on Tim’s laptop. Gorgeous blue eyes. Freckled skin like chocolate chips on a cake. A deep commanding look on her face, which he usually saw on the faces of seasoned heroes like Batman or Superman or Wonder Woman. She looked around his physical age. Not that it was a true measuring unit. He'd been around for a couple of years and still looked 18. Yeah, but the first thing that came into his mind when he saw her was the word ‘pretty’. More specifically, that she looked pretty.

But he never had an opportunity to directly talk to her. Wonder Woman, Zatana and John were in charge of the communication from the Parisian heroes and the Bats were only backing up as detectives, aiming to find her villain. He first had the opportunity to meet her when she first stepped into the tower as ‘Lady Miracle’, finally defeating her villain.

They were all standing around in the watchtower as she and Wonder Woman walked in. His surprise must have shown on his face because Rob was trying to elbow him in his gut to get his mouth closed and Clark and Jon were smirking at him.

Wonder Woman gave them a quick review of the situation in France and then the main founders left for their meeting while the ‘sidekicks’ hung around as so helpfully said by Green Lantern(Hal- the git). The younger school-going superheroes were also sent back. Yeah, but it gave the young heroes a perfect opportunity to chat with Lady Miracle. Which Bart helpfully emphasized by running up to her first.

“Hey, what's up? How are you doing?” Bart said, shaking her hand. Classic speedster style.

If Lady Miracle was shocked by it, she didn't let it show on her face. “Yeah, I'm doing good. Defeated my villain and all. Finally my schedule was cleaned up a bit.”

And of course, that had to catch Nightwing’s attention. “You mean to tell me that you didn't drop out of school?”

“Why would I?” Lady Miracle asked.

“So how did you take care of the akuma-ta-ta?” Bart asked.

“First of all, it's Akuma. Come on, say it with me a–”

“A–” Repeated Bart.

“Ku–ma”

“Ku-maai”

“Close enough.” Lady Miracle said with a smile.

“Anyway, getting back to the topic.” Red Robin said. “How the hell did you manage that?”

“I made up excuses like– ‘Miss, I wanna go to the bathroom.’ or ‘I need to help my parents out at the–their business’ or something.” Lady Miracle said, shrugging her shoulders.

“So you mean to say your parents know?” Nightwing asked.

“WHAT? No. They don't know. Hopefully they'll never find out.”

“But why not?” Superboy(elder) asked.

“I really don't like talking about it, sorry.”

“No problem.” Superboy answered before one of the detective boys could jump in and insist on an answer.

“We all have something we don't want to talk about, right Red?” He said, giving the boy in question a pointed glare.

“Yeah, right. Totally.”

This was a bad idea. He had a sinking feeling he would be back on that question the moment he got the chance. But there was a really pretty lady in front of her and maybe he would not get a chance to ask her out later on, so-he-probably- shoulddoitnow. Why on Earth was he rambling? He was supposed to be the smoothest talker in his team for God's sake! He stopped as he felt a touch on his forearm. He lived up to see Lady Miracle smiling at him curiously.

“You were rambling.”

He gulped. Quite visibly. This fact was verified by the snickers from his team. Whole herd of betrayers, that lot.

“Are you fine?” Lady Miracle asked.

“Sure. Why wouldn’t I be?” He replied, trying desperately to gain some swagger back.

She certainly let go of his arm as she heard the door open. More specifically the meeting door. “Let’s go see my new room.” She said, slightly tilting her head over the door where all the senior founder members were coming out of.

“Wait a minute, You're joining Young Justice?” Superboy asked, looking down at her and confusion.

“Yeah, didn't you hear, Wonder Woman? Wonder Woman is supposed to take me to the Young Justice headquarters.”

Apparently his lack of awareness was too much for his so-called teammates (Betrayers, as he had previously established) because those goons burst out LAUGHING.

“Ah, I've never seen Kon so FLUSTERED in my life.” Red said, trying to get his laughs under control, pretending to wipe a fake tear. Dude wore domino masks! And his (Robin’s) life was about to get VERY short.

“Ohh I'm gonna enjoy having you around.” Cassie said, lightly patting Lady Miracle’s arm.

The meeting got over and they were all on their way to the Young Justice cave. Correction Batman, Wonder Woman, Lady Miracle and the Young Justice were on their way to the Cave.

Although it wasn't clear enough from Lady Miracle’s face, it was easy enough to tell that she was excited. No, excited wasn’t the word. Terrified? Yeah, that was closer. And to be fair, they were the upcoming heroes who were eventually gonna be the new Justice League. That makes them sound like rich kids ‘heirs to huge empires’ club. Whatever.

Jon’s mind was distracted. Will she date him? She was very pretty smart, and he was pretty sure many heroes would try to ask her out. Not that he owned her, but he really really wanted to date her. He tried to ease his mind as he heard Lady Miracle’s gasp as she first saw the cave.

And the days flew by.

Surprisingly, Lady Miracle, fit right in with Red Robin and Superboy. They were all around the same age group. She and Red Robin, specially bonded over coming up with ridiculous ideas during battles. It didn’t help that her superpower only spurred them on. Stupid polka-doted stuff that made everything more risky. They would come up with ridiculous angles and what not to take down simple villains! Too bad, he loves them. He did, because those mini-heart attacks were never easy on the kryptonian.

I won’t bore you with the fluffy details. This story isn’t about that. The story isn’t about the happily ever after. It’s about what comes after the happily ever after.

So let’s turn up the speed of the story.

Lady Miracle and Red Robin went on a couple of dates, but they decided they were better off as friends. Sometimes, when people have too much in common, it doesn’t fit right. After that Kon finally picked up the courage to ask her out, and it was a whirlwind from there. Happy days, passionate nights (or days, depending on their mood). Meeting the parents. Well Connor’s parents. Lady Miracle’s parents, as she told them, didn’t believe her, and they had a fall out. Something personal she said and they dropped it. Meeting Martha and Jonathan. Meeting Jon. Meeting Lex, Clark and Lois. Her revealing her identity. Her story. Kon getting down on one knee. Both of them, laughing in their wedding pictures. Marinette with their baby boy in her arms. Jon and Tim’s awed faces as they finally held baby Andrew. Tim crying as Kon and Marinette asked him to be the Godfather. It all flew by in a whirlwind.

Their are happily ever after.

Wise men say that there is a definite point, a decision that turns one fates’ around.

And to understand that point, you need to look at the line before and after it.

So, let’s start at normal speed. A few hours before they are happily ever after ended.

[star-dust-n-astral-wind]

Su-Han is a glorified civilian, despite his attempts at critiquing our heroes.

In Season 4 of Miraculous: The Tales Of Ladybug And Chat Noir, we got introduced to Grand Master Su-Han, the "Celestial Guardian of the Mother Box" as he puts it.

This guy is a Big Deal.

Or rather, he should be.

See, the problem is that outside of a few instances, Su-Han largely does nothing but stand on the sidelines and tell our heroes (mostly Marinette) that they suck.

And yet, for all he complains about "you don't know each other's identities" and "you're children" and "you lost all the Miraculous" and so on, he never really tries to help?

His complaints have some merit to them, don't get me wrong, but he staunchly refuses to do anything to assist in improving these things. He tells them their failures, but doesn't do so much as explain how they can be better going forward.

Don't like that the heroes are kids? Either join the fight or get some backup from the Order.

Don't like that they don't know each other's identities? Well, the reason for that is the mind controlling supervillain, so tell them how to shield their minds or whatever first.

Don't like that Ladybug lost all the Miraculous? Then how about you do something to help recover them?!

He teaches Luka Mira Kung-Fu (fuck I hate that name), so maybe that'll come around to something in Season 6.

But by and large, Su-Han's role in the story is "glorified civilian". He rarely contributes anything more than vaguely being an authority figure that disapproves of the way our heroes do things, despite offering no alternatives outside of ultimatums.

So, even when he's largely right about our heroes' shortcomings, why should we care? If he's not going to put in the effort to do more than stand around and glare, why should we give his critiques any value?

[drtwit]

Miraculous Ladybug: No More Heroes - Chapter 35

A Matter of Trust - Summary:

Chloe and Nino struggle with their training in the past, whilst Gabriel makes a new friend in the present.

"Gabriel, be honest. It wasn't Emilie's death that made you a villain, it wasn't the world, and it wasn't the miraculous. It was always you - You were a villain long before you created Hawkmoth." Three years after his death, Gabriel Agreste awakens to a Paris ruled by akumas. He has no idea how he's alive, he has no idea what happened to Paris, all he knows it that he was the one who allowed this to happen. Hunted by the ghosts of his past, with no miraculous to protect him, and his greatest enemy now his only ally, Gabriel must brave this nightmare with Marinette Dupain-Cheng and make a choice: To become the villain he knows he is, or to find a way to become the father he failed to be.

Fandom:

Miraculous Ladybug

Relationships:

Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Gabriel Agreste/Nathalie Sancoeur

Characters:

Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Gabriel Agreste

Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir

Nathalie Sancoeur

Colt Fathom

Lila Rossi

Nino Lahiffe

Chloé Bourgeois

Félix Fathom

Luka Couffaine

Alya Césaire

Max Kanté

Additional Tags:

Gabriel Agreste Redemption

Has a long way to go

Chloé Bourgeois Redemption

Retcons

Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir Needs a Hug

Identity Reveal

Ladybug/Hawkmoth team-up

Gabriel Backstory

Gabriel being an asshole

Protective Nathalie Sancoeur

Félix Fathom Is Bad at Feelings

Lila Rossi Being Lila Rossi

Hurt Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir

Story switches between two major points in time

Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug Needs a Break

[immaturityofthomasastruc]

Suhan was done dirty. They can’t differentiate between character flaws and Order’s flaws and end up mixing the two due to Suhan’s incompetent yet competent portrayal. Some flaws Suhan has is tied to the order even when they don’t make sense like with the Akuma training thing. They don’t even acknowledge that the situation IS rather dire and that Suhan CAN help bring a sense of mental stability to Mari’s suffering through some training because they don’t wanna admit Fu was flawed in his ways.

The show really wants to let the audience know that the Order was very flawed, but we never get any indication that they methods were actually wrong since it was Fu breaking the rules that led to their downfall. Even with Su-Han, they make it out like it was just him that was the problem with the Order, given how strict he is about the rules Fu himself never followed.

I don't get what the point of Su-Han is if he doesn't become another mentor for Marinette or an antagonist with his own goals, because he's just so underutilized in this show.

[ladymiraclewings]

Adrien Agreste: But Master Su-Han said- Plagg: To hell with Master Su-Han! Su-Han: I can hear you, Plagg.

[flightfoot]

Wait, seriously? Su Han's been teaching Penny and Jagged? Well, at least he's been making himself useful.

[kaalki-cinnamon]

‼️MLB S5 SPOILERS‼️

WAIT A MIRACULOUS MINUTE, WHAT????

[theerurishipper]

Hi! I hope I'm not repeating already answered question but if you don't mind, I'd like to ask your opinion about Luka, Jagged and Penny now trained under Su Han. Many people said "It make senses because Luka know lb and CN identity" but I don't think it make senses because Jagged and Penny doesn't??

If people think the reason CN can't be in the last battle because he's too emotional and can be akumatized, then wouldn't it make more senses for him to be the one trained by Su Han?

My opinion is that it makes literally no sense and came out of nowhere, and Su-Han is a tragically wasted character. There was literally no foreshadowing or build-up to Luka learning from Su-Han, and even less so for his deadbeat father and the lady who's somehow in love with him. I'll admit I liked the scene where Fang beats up a bunch of people, but it was just so jarring and out of nowhere. It would have made more sense if Luka had, like, any sort of prior interaction with Su-Han outside of just standing there when he and Ladybug were beefing.

And Su-Han is such a wasted character. We could have learnt more about the lore of the Guardians that the show started to explore and then promptly dropped. We could have had him mentor Ladybug and Chat Noir and help them develop more powers or something, but he just ended up being comic relief and a punching bag for Ladybug so that we could see how awesome and amazing she was as Guardian. I'll never get over how Su-Han ended up apologizing to Ladybug for not helping her after she chewed him out for being angry over something he had every right to be angry about. And this is all after she told him she could handle it herself.

And about Su-Han training Adrien, it would have made perfect sense. If Adrien's "flaw" is that he'll get akumatized, why not let the person who has an anti-akumatization technique mentor him? I'll tell you why, it's because the akumatization excuse is just a way to get Adrien out of the picture so that Marinette doesn't have to share the spotlight. And it's also because Adrien doesn't get to have anything that isn't somehow connected to Marinette, and Su-Han is not Marinette's mentor so he can't be Adrien's either. It's just so bad.

Thank you for your ask!