#stormlight timeskip

[mushimallo]

Some timeskip Gavinor and Oroden doodles …

Something about Oroden “Child of peace” and an unhinged Gav really makes me think they’d be a fun duo lmao 🥲

[sweatersexual]

Maybe the Horneater ability to see spren isn't actually hereditary. Rock describes it as a gift only given to a select few, and these Sighted seem to overlap with those who guard Cultivation's well of power. What if Unkalaki of a certain social standing are allowed to cross Cultivation's perpendicularity in order to give birth in Shadesmar? Maybe that's how they ensure that the guardians are able to see all beings that go in or out of the pool. Yes, you have to be born to it, but you have more control over it than you would get with selective breeding.

So if Shallan is pregnant and she gives birth in Shadesmar, maybe her child will be able to see all spren

[kingjasnah]

even if you knew it was coming (and i KNEW it was coming from the second i learned there'd be a timeskip between stormlight 5-6) the dull blow of the 'hinting at a pregnancy for your main female character right before a timeskip' trope still hurt a bit. bro she's like 20. she JUST learned that when she committed matricide as a child (a plot point that she repressed so hard that even though we the readers knew she killed her mom in book one. two? we learned new facts about it every single book as she unpeeled her own psyche) she kickstarted the apocalypse. can we give her a couple of years please.

[milktearosethorn]

Since there's going to be a 10-year timeskip, Renarin and Rlain might be married when we meet them again in Stormlight 6 and I am deeply unwell over this

[tanoraqui]

I read like 60 pages yesterday without note-taking, biggest takeaways:

The Stone is talking to Venli like the Wind is talking to Kaladin!

The Wind is looking for a “champion” for itself and the spren, obv to be Kaladin.

Endowment has a “plan” for Odium, possibly consisting of “throw Nightblood in his general direction and wait for the mushroom cloud”, which tbh might work.

The “Well of Control” mentioned in that epigraph is in the Shattered Plains, probably definitely IS a Perpendicularity pool. Can’t say of whom, though—the way the chull use it is closest to Cultivation? Or could it be yet a FOURTH Shard in this system, injured in that “crashed moon”? We’re still missing one, I think…an epigraph, I forget when, mentioned someone not being able to find 1 at all. …I think the thing Honor Tanavast did that his power didn’t like is Shattering those Plains, though I’m sure it’s the reason and/or circumstances of his action that’s the problem.

VERY curious to see what narrative purpose Galivar is gonna serve in this Spiritual Realm adventure.

I love how Bridge Four in general but Kaladin especially is getting a cult, whether they like it or not. I can’t wait to see how that evolves in the coming timeskip, after Kaladin becomes whatever Kaladin is about to become.

Flashback!Szeth’s helpful spren is starting to ping as Honor—likes Oaths, helped him channel Stormlight. I still don’t trust it for shit, but something IS fucky with Honor & Honor-related things in this book!

AND CURRENTLY:

Yesss list of human nationalities vs not human. How did so many different humanoid species end up with populations on Roshar? Do people move here for the Light and just stay? Is Cultivation helping? Though Horneaters aren’t as alien as the rest—I’m certain they’re Singer/human hybrids. I have a theory about Iriali now…who probably crossbred with humans to get Rirans…and Natans [confirms on wiki] are Aimian/human. (Does Dalinar just not know anything about Aimians? Possible!)

[artifabrianrushu]

Wait wait wait wait. Post Wind and Truth theory crafting.

So with the formation of retribution, the death of the Stormfather, and Ishar being off world, there's no way at all to acquire Stormlight on Roshar, except maybe by deconstructing Towerlight.

But the important part is Lift; she doesn't use Stormlight at all, she uses Lifelight to power her surgebinding. Her ability to use her powers are unaffected by the loss of the Stormfather and the bondsmiths, so she's easily going to be one of the most powerful radiants on Roshar outside of Urithiru.

I believe that she's also going to be trained in swordplay by Vasher/Zahel in the timeskip between eras as well, after kicking a full feruchemist's ass to save Zahel.

So it's at least obvious one of the reasons that she's going to be very important in Stormlight era 2.

[nine-fingered-entity]

wind and truth post-postlude thoughts:

a) unsurprisingly, my favorite arc was adolin. he's been my consistent favorite this whole time anyways. but i think also just it was a well done very satisfying piece of work. the distinction matters, and as we've all seen, oaths are not always forces of good, even if sticking to them feels good. anyways.

b) there is still time to get that drink. like in 10 years post timeskip. and to dissolve the oathpact, because honestly? its kind of fucked up, even if its better now. i will not be giving up hope. they will be getting that drink, even if it takes another 5 books and i'm like 50 when it happens. (and they'll throuple up then. i can dream).

c) i had a feeling she'd end up pregnant and yet somehow i don't hate it? it's oddly full-circle. it kind of works.

d) rip dalinar. you crazy man. he died doing what he did best: making world-shattering decisions for a bunch of people who will resent him for it. and also it worked. deranged. big fan.

e) is navani going to be trapped in tower coma for the next ten years? or however long this timeskip is??? oof. that's. unfortunate

f) i know shallan and kaladin are gonna be more minor characters for the back half and they're both trapped for a while away from the action (more kal than shallan) but both of them feel like they have more story and plot to go. did shallan ever get to 5th ideal? vague and unclear and hard to tell but i'm guessing she maybe did???

g) fucked up blackthorn ghost/spren/guy. the MYTH of him made manifest. that's a fun concept. i am excited to see where that goes. renarin and janash books gonna be fun. i liked both of their arcs so im excited to see whats next

h) if there's no more stormlight, how's the whole radiant thing going to work?? is it going to work???

i) really hoping for more singer/listener pov in the back half. i feel like venli and rlain could have gotten more chapters. these books do fall into the trap of being very-human centered, which is unfortunate.

j) i liked Kal's story. i suspect it will be divisive. less thrilled about the herald thing but. it does make sense and there's still 5 more books so as a midpoint i like it. don't want him to be like that at the end of 10 though. i did like szeth's as well, that really worked. especially the 5th ideal scene and the flashbacks. i just wish they'd both been given more time to breath -> because there were so many POVs it felt a bit cramped and rushed (a lot of the POVs could have used a little more room to breath. i would have read a 1500 page book idc.)

k) one of the heralds is working for retribution. that seems. ominous.

l) poor gavinor. fucked up. interested to see where his story goes. also waughh sigzil. still ambivalent on sunlit man but. waugh.

m) i liked it. it works as a midpoint: resetting the status quo to worse, and justifies the alleged 10-15 year timeskip. it takes the major plot threads of 1-5 and ties them up while leaving many questions for later. the major characters (kal, shallan, dalinar. adolin. szeth.) have had their arcs more or less resolved. the minor/back half characters have been set up for the back half. it'll be a wild ride but. excited to see where it goes.

[simonshepherd]

Random Stormlight/Cosmere thoughts

My sadistic mind think Moash should make it post-timeskip character along with Gavinor.

Moash will no longer be Vyre and try to make amends to people like Kaladin and bridge 4, but never regret his decision with Elhokar.

Why? I just want to see the fuck Moash crowd's brains melt. Should they be pro-Gavinor revenge plot or not? Like what if Moash is no longer a convenient target for revenge like Amaram who turned out to be the cartoon villain and Kaladin can get his sweet resolution.

[dienothemink]

kaladin for the ask meme :)

KALADIN!!!!

First impression: truly immediately got attached. suffire way to make me love a guy is to make him sad and put him in Situations against his will. kaladin <3

Impression now:

Favorite moment: omg. k so the obvious answer is literally any of the moments people usually list (honor is dead but i’ll see what i can do, the skies are mine, any hoid story scene, any scene where he swears an ideal, etc.) and truly i love those HOWEVER the top contender for me having just read words of radiance is the first time he’s flying through the chasms and just feels. so much joy. other favorites have to be when he’s with sah and the singers or his die hard moments in row <3

Idea for a story: i say this all the time but kaladin med school dropout modern au <3 there’s no like equivalent to the bridge crews irl but i want kaladin to be a barista maybe. this doesn’t have to be a romantic coffeeshop au i just want kaladin to hang out with his friends and make fun of obnoxious customers. he has big retail energy.

OH additionally this isn’t a story but more a set of scenes. i need kaladin to have Conversations. i know the bridgeboy thing is a silly joke thing now but i need him to talk to adolin about the bridgecrews. I want him to talk to the mink my bestie the mink. kaladin and rlain discuss what happened in the chasms extended cut 10K words. etc.

Unpopular opinion: i think kaladin had several points to make in words of radiance but people are often misinterpreting him to either say he’s Discriminating Against Lighteyes (EL OH EL) or to say he saved elhokar because his moral framework is too simplistic or something. wrong! for a guy from the protect and be good squad of magic people kal is one of the most morally complex characters in the series and his wor struggle is infinitely more understandable on a reread.

Favorite relationship: you know I really don’t know because kaladin exists in a quantum state of being all sexualities at once until observed. i like shakadolin i like kalmoash i like kaladinxhappiness i think kal should get a little kiss from SEVERAL members of bridge four and at least one kholin and maybe the concept of healing however kaladin doesn’t want any of these things. sad! wellthere are other windrunners

Favorite headcanon: when kaladin doesn’t die in stormlight five after the timeskip in stormlight six we will see him get a nice cold drink from a little cafe shop. kal you would love boba…..

[boilingheart]

Oh! I started Stormlight Archive this year. It did take me a solid 3 or 4 months to get past like the first three chapters bc the worldbuilding does not let you breathe and was pretty dense but then I had time on a trip to just read without pause and got really into it! I feel like it's a good year to get into it since book 5 comes out in December and will wrap up the first half of the series (books 6-10 will be after a timeskip and start publishing in like 2030s RIP). After I finish these 5 I'll probably give myself a breather and then get into the rest of cosmere universe. My one gripe is that I'm not always the biggest "sanderlanche" fan. He builds up a lot and then the last fifth is a whole lot of stuff going on but it can make some of the build up feel slow (for me) and I've been bad and skimmed forward more than I should since the books are loonngg. It's also really easy to spoil yourself with fandom stuff but even when that happens I've been having a good time. There's more to say but that can be found in non spoiler summaries I think- I thought I'd give you my two cents about the reading experience lol

Great to hear, thank you for your thoughts!! I've heard a lot about how *long* Sanderson's works are, which is a little daunting to me, who's just barely getting back into reading for the first time in years, but I'm looking forward to the journey! Haven't decided if I'm starting at Mistborn or Stormlight Archives since both seem really really good, but I'd like to see what all the hype is about. I'm here for that worldbuilding bro I've gotta see it for myself. So cool that this is an active project that's going on, I've heard a lot of good things!

[therealsoulking]

Alright, this is how I understand it:

There was a pretty notable timeskip in between Bands of Mourning and The Lost Metal, and it was during this period that Hoid became the Ladrian coachman (iirc he wasn't name-dropped earlier), as a means of making sure Harmony's Sword doesn't get thrown away after being used.

At T-0 months, for Scadriel and Roshar, Retribution forms, and the time dilation bubble opens around Roshar, causing time to pass there about 8 times slower than in the rest of the Cosmere. So Hoid gives up the Dawnshard at say T+1 hour, which would be T+8 hours for the rest of the Cosmere, and he gets eviscerated soon afterwards, reforming from his cell culture on Scadriel.

With the merge of Stormlight and Voidlight, the remaining Ghostblood agents aren't able to get into contact with Mraize and Iyatil via conventional (non-Seon) means, and Shallan doesn't explicitly inform Thaidakar about his agents dying until T+2-4 months (her section of the chapter says "months" and she's started to notice her pregnancy), that being T+16-32 months Scadriel time, long enough for the events of The Lost Metal to happen, with the Scadrian branch of the Ghostbloods assuming that they've just lost contact with Iyatil, not finding out until Shallan contacts them after a few months or so.

Wind and Truth spoilers bc the ending has me confused about the chronology of the Cosmere

Also Lost Metal spoilers

Where does Wind and Truth fall?

Bc Hoid wakes up on Scadriel and goes to get his coachman position from Wax at the end of Wind and Truth. I thought the Lost Medal took place btw Oathbringer and RoW. Hoid is already there in Bands of Morning. I thought he was world hopping back and forth btw the two.

Kelsier also tells Shallan that the Ghost Bloods are dealing with problems on Scadriel and Roshar has become less important to them. I assume he’s talking about the stuff in Lost Medal…But maybe he’s like yeah there’s shit going to go down soon. Also on the Lost Medal there’s a reference to Iyatle still running amuck on Roshar.

Just someone help me with the timeline…

Also why is time moving slower for the heralds that means they’re only getting a few months of therapy while Roshar passes years. That’s just mean Brandon!

[mushimallo]

timeskip Gavinor and Aunt Lift adventures

Lift tries to cheer Gav up by swiping him his favorite meal

Gav finally grew taller than her >.<

[kingjasnah]

in regards to the era 3 thing, as brandon has mentioned that the back half of stormlight is supposed to start after a ten year timeskip that passes as 70-80 years for scadrial and everyone else in the cosmere thanks to roshar’s time dilation, this means SA era 2 coincides with mistborn era 3 rather than era 2 😭 the general impression i got from theories seems to be that TLM is over by the time kelsier and shallan finish talking… i mean in the interim if retribution can truly leave roshar than smth COULD potentially happen in that gap between the stormlight eras but since era 3 of mistborn is the next planned set of stories… i think its lights out for the era 2 crew with the exception of melaan maybe, and it’ll be a new cast of characters who we see get impacted by this new interplanetary war 🥲

oh yeah i totally misinterpreted the kelsier + shallan convo. i just remember that really really really wax coded epigraph from rhythm of war (something about harmony's sword you know) and everyone's ears pricking up like. hold on a minute. but post alloy of law, yeah i feel like melaan is the only character who hasn't like. retired themselves.

[thekinglemingle]

I know Brandon is good at world building and there's going to be a timeskip, but I genuinely don't understand how Roshar and Scadriel are meant to be at technological parity in the late Cosmere given that Scadriel is moving into the Edwardian era while Roshar is bumbling into the very early stages of the Renaissance and is almost certainly going to undergo another global catastrophe before Stormlight 5 is out

Telsin: Scadriel is decades behind the rest of the cosmere in technological advances! We need progress!

Meanwhile, Roshar:

[grichel]

im a firm believer in that moash is going to be redeemed and live for the back half of stormlight and that it’s gonna be a plot point that gavinor hates him and wants him dead even though he’s like a good person now, like mostly i just think it would be interesting, brandon sanderson do not interact