#stolas needs to learn what it’s like to have people OPENLY want him in the way in he craves to be wanted

[ghostvibesonly]

can we please not instantly hate on the only other guy showing genuine interest in stolas and act as if he’s gonna end up being a terrible person that blitzø’s gonna “save” stolas from

[theadhddimsenion]

Some hope for potential charater interactions and ideas for season three.

If millie does decide to keep the child I want it to be twin boys to contrast against the stolitz sisters. This could also be worldbuilding about the nature of both how imp pregnancies work and if they are that different from human ones and what exactly hellhealth care covers.

Satan and yogurts relationship being exactly what stolitz and fizzmodeous antis think those ships are. A big powerful royal/raging red asshole abusing a helpless commoner/pacifistic and meek sweetheart who did nothing wrong while masquerading as a healthy and normal thing.

Fizz playing a bigger role and interacting with people outside of fizz and blitz. Fizz is in a really unique place as he both understands blitz really well and knows the most about his past apart from blitz himself. So he could provide a lot of valuable context to charaters such as m&m, loona, stolas, veroskia and maybe even Barbie! Fizz is quite possibly the best charater to explain blitzs past to the rest of the cast besides blitz himself.

He and Ozzie seem to have a good relationship considering they let her have a verse and post mastermind I think she's had a lot of conflicting feelings so I think she would at least be willing to here fizz out. But what would he really interesting is fizz speaking with stolas, not only as I said fizz could provide some much-needed insight into the wild stallions backstory but stolas could give fizz a reality check without any real anger or negativity what I mean is one of fizzs flaws as a person is that he is too quick to overlook the reality that blitz and strikers words about royals looking down on them hold more water than he would like to admit. Now this is completely reasonable and understandable considering that fizz has proven himself to be a pretty cool and forgiving guy and the fact that both the love of his life and savior are greater demons would all and all make it very clear why he would be so hesitant to condemn the upper class but still he needs to face the facts here and recognize that Ozzie is the exception and mammon is the rule. So I think having stolas openly admit that, yeah he did look down on blitz and treat him like a plaything would not only be a great character moment for him showing that he has truly recognized his mistakes and is willing to learn from them but also open fizz's eyes to the fact that he has been living in a bubble of sorts without any real anger or aggression needed.

I think loona having an episode where she is forced to rely on moxxie to survive and moxxie getting to share his wisdom on how putting others down won't make you feel better would be great as moxxie gets to actually help loona develop and show that he has learned a lot from his time with i.m.p and actually make unhappy campers pay off a little as he sites the disaster of that episode as proof of how pointless it is to try and rely on yourself alone and put others down to make yourself feel better as he tried that and it got him his ass kicked by existence.

An episode all about they i.m.p killing humans is really their only option if they want to both stay out of bankruptcy and keep working for themselves.

Some episodes about veroskia being forced to get help from i.m.p would be interesting.

Let me know your ideas in the comments and reblogs!

[verboselocket38]

I need to make something clear or else the fans might attack me and send me threats, I like this show and was kinda scared to post this but I gotta say it........

.......Anyways, Im just rant about some excuses for Helluva Boss that are just not good excuses when fans defend the wrighting.

1. "If you dont like it dont watch it 🙄"

So this excuse I hear a lot when fans are backed into a corner and cant protect the critisisms from the show (Sorry I am tired, so my spelling might not be that good) And even if people deny it they use this excuse anyways without giving a good argument to why whatever critism the show gets is wrong.

Also I told this to someone before, but by the logic of this excuse, that means anyone who watches and said they openly hate a show like Velma or High Gaurdian Spice secretly likes it.

(I am gonna bring these shows up a lot to use them as examples. Should probably mention now that I dont like either Velma or HGS, but Helluva Boss has SOME THINGS in common, not ALL THINGS, but SOME)

2. "The Series isnt finished, you should wait for it to be done"

Now to an extent this one is ok. Like for example: If Aang from ATLA were going on a journey to learn how to Waterbend, Earthbend, and Firebend to defeat the Firelord, then obviously its gonna take awhile and shouldnt be like "wHy DoEsNt He BeAt HiM NOW!!!". BUT that does not mean you cant critisize the episodes where Aang might get out of character, Katara does something that will leave a bad taste in your mouth, or anything that might not be good writing.

Yes Helluva Boss isnt finished, but thats still a bad excuse for defending the writing. You should still put effort into the writing. Like the fight between Blitzø and Stolas was resolved in A TEXT MESSAGE AND PEOPLE SAY ITS GOOD WRITING. IT ISNT!!! Like if your most emotion point in your show is going to be resolved in something we dont see happen, then there is no growth to the characters. (Saying this is an easter egg is just another excuse for bad writing.) People say that later on it might get resolved and that we should be patient I call bull crap. In S2E2 Stolas and Blitzø are not even akward around eachother, so I highly doubt future episodes will talk about this.

Also, I just thought, shouldnt shows like Velma also go for its excuse? Like its getting a Season 2, so we shouldnt judge the show until its finished right? I dont wanna hear "Its because Velma ruined Scooby Doo!" Or "Velma is an acception since it can make my eyes role" Nope!!! We gotta wait till Velma is over to fully critisize it.

2.5 "You shouldnt be comparing VELMA to HELLUVA BOSS!!!"

Gonna bring this up since SOMEONE WILL. But I do NOT like Velma, I think its crap. I like Helluva Boss, not a fan of the stans and a lot of things Viv says and does. They can not take Critisism. She says she can but accually doesnt. And I kinda realize that there are some things Velma does that people role their eyes at, but when Helluva Boss does it, they get praised for it. Again, I 👏DO 👏NOT 👏LIKE 👏 VELMA. Im treating it equal to other shows, when Velma does something everyone hates it. When Helluva Boss does it everyone likes it. For example, the Swearing and Sex jokes. When Velma does it, people say that they swear and do sex jokes for no reason and it ruins the mood. But when Helluva Boss does it (Which keep in mind, 90% of the dialoug is sex and swearing.) It gets praised. Just wanted to point it out.

3. "Its Hell, what do you expect? 🤡"

I saved the best for last. Yall probably heard this one before lol. So, Im just gonna say that yes the characters do live in hell and that can lead to their bad behavior and cruel humor. The issue that I have is that will be used to defend bad writing. Yes they live in hell, but that doesnt mean 90% of the dialoug should be sex, swearing, and angst. Yknow the end of Unhappy Campers where Moxxie and Millie dressed as siblings and had sex on stage infront of minors? "But its hell!" Yes, BUT its out of character for Moxxie and Millie. MOXXIE ESPECIALLY!!!! ITS ALSO GROSS LIKE HOW IS THIS FUNNY?????

There are also double standards. For example when Stella turns out to be a abusive bish, we are made to suppose to hate her. But when Loona was abusive to her adoptive father who took her in and gave her love, we are suppose to laugh??? Also, dont say "But he threatened to replace her!" No, Loona brought it up AFTER she was attacking Blitzø and he roled along with it.

"But its Hell!!!" my butt. If Stella is abusive to make Stolas look like a justified character and her unlikeable, then why should I like Loona? And no, trauma is not an excuse. She is 22 and she has control of her own self.

And like??? If I were to write a story of some unlikeable guy in New York City who killed people for no reason, should my excuse be "Its society, what do you expect? This is life, get over it."

Conclusion

In conclusion, if you accually want to defend the writing of your horny demon show, then find accual critisms. Again, I👏 Like👏This👏Show. But when Fans and Viv shield any critisms and just see it as blind hate, it makes me upset. Most people who critisize this show like it. The thing is, if we praise or ignore something that needs to be critiqued, then the writing wont get any better. If we critisize it, then there is a chance that Viv will realize she needs to put effort into her wrighting.

I like this show, it inspired me, but Season 2 is such a downgrade from the previous season.

[magaprima]

Part 2 Episode 5 Thoughts (1 out of 2)

Okay, before I begin my usual rambly analysis, just wanna say that first scene with Lilith and it focus on that cabinet...I’m sure I have that, or something very similar. But anyway, onwards

Can’t help but notice that when Lilith is sat in the chair, chatting to Stolas, swigging an enticing glass of whiskey, with the lighting and the way the fire is glowing in the hearth and casting her shadow all around the room, this not only creates the illusion of hell, reminding us of where exactly Lilith truly lives, that for all her time spent living in this cottage, her true home is in Pandemonium, but it also has very old-movie vibes when portraying a ‘devil woman’, all hellish colours and shadows, and we can also go onto the whole ‘shadow self’ idea, and how Lilith’s shadow is larger than her physical body, thus implying she’s much more powerful and ‘larger than life’ than she appears while pretending to be Ms Wardwell.

Also she is talking about this prophecy really openly and loudly with Stolas, fully aware that Adam is in the next room. I get the feeling she’s either totally forgotten about him being there, or her time at Baxter High and in Greendale has convinced her that humans never realise what’s really going on even if it bit them on the nose, so she’s just not being careful at all. 

‘Just as Sabrina performed an exorcism and a resurrection in perversion of the Nazarene’s miracles, she must now bring down the temple’ Some nice exposition there. And that is exactly what it feels like. It might as well be an aside in Macbeth for the way this was written. 

Also, Stolas, why are you asking which temple? What other temple is there besides the Church of Night? Get with the program, dude. But then when Lilith says about setting the bricks tumbling and Stolas replies, she genuinely laughs and I would love to know the sassy back and forth that went on between those two....before we discovered he was a spy for Lilith and so even her own familiar couldn’t be trusted. 

“I do so love stirring the cauldron”

I think this is one of the truest things about Lilith. She likes stirring things for the sake of stirring them sometimes, with no ulterior motive, she just enjoys seeing the chaos and chain reaction a simple stir can cause. And she genuinely has fun with these sorts of things, where she sets things in motion with a word or a look or an dea. I kind feel this goes back to the beginning, and how she essentially ‘stirred the cauldron’ in question God and Adam and defying him, and so comes from her desire to overturn the status quo which is quite intrinsic to who she is. No doubt, within reason, she stirs shit up in Hell too, and it wouldn’t take much for those court members to turn on each other. 

When Adam comes in and says ‘Mary’, Lilith stops mid drink and keeps her glass at her mouth as she looks at him, which I think does slightly imply she had forgotten just a little bit that he was in the next room. She’s gotten used to monologuing in privacy but now there’s someone there. A mortal someone. Also the fact she’s pretending to be someone called ‘Mary’, a Christian name, stands out even more when a moment ago she was all ‘bring down the temple’ and talking about the Nazarene etc. 

“I thought I heard you talking to someone” Yeah ‘thought’. 

Lilith throws him her usual polite Principal Wardwell smile she throws everyone when they’re asking questions she wants them to forget about, but the way she says ‘No, Adam, dear, go back to bed, I’ll be in shortly’, shows us how since the night of the Sweethearts Dance, she has definitely decided to keep him around. The risk of him interrupting her or causing to have to be ‘on’ with her Mary persona more often is worth his company apparently, which is very revealing. There’s no romance here, and they’re obviously not sleeping together (confirmed by his jammies being full buttoned plus the info we learned in Part 3 about his relationship with the actual Mary) but there’s already an odd...comfortability, which I don’t think Lilith has even realised, and most likely is telling herself it’s for convenience so people won’t come looking for him, but that hasn’t stopped her before with the pizza boy, the jock, Hawthorne...so how come Adam gets special treatment? 

Also he smiles so cutely  and nods at the way she says ‘I’ll be in shortly’ and he doesn’t ask her how long, doesn’t ask what she’s doing, he simply accepts that she wants to stay up a little longer on her own. He’s very respectful of her choices and of giving her distance when she wants it, and I think this is a large part about why Lilith didn’t kill him off even before she started to fall for him. 

She does roll her eyes a little once he’s gone, and it just makes me think that with him there she has to be Mary all the time. And she’s being the Mary he expects her to be; sweet, polite, concerned about her students etc. It’s only after the development towards the end of this episode, that we then see in the next episode, that while she’s still being ‘Mary’ she’s now behaving more like the Mary she is with Sabrina, which is more like herself. 

Also the fact Lilith glamours herself to look like Edward Spellman is not only one of only two times we see Lilith appearing as a man (the second time is as Adam when she goes to Mary for help, and yeah I need to analyse the fuckity fuck out of that moment) because Lilith, understandably, seems to prefer being a woman even when wearing a glamour, but it’s also quite an interesting thing for her to pretend to be, considering Lilith does play, inadvertently, a parental role towards Sabrina quite often, and you could reason even more so in Part 3. And then with the fact Lilith is now carrying Lucifer’s child just as Diana did, well the whole Edward connection is even more observationally interesting. 

Also Lilith just popping out of the shadows after removing the glamour and looking down on Sabrina and being all ‘and bring down the temple, she shall’ very clearly shows Lilith obviously thinks they’ll never see her in a million years because they never do; and guess what? She’s right. 

Then when Sabrina goes to her for help, and she’s all ‘And your Father’s ghost told you all of this, that Father Blackwood murdered him and your Mother’, it always makes me wonder how much truth was in that. Lilith never does outright lies, she uses the truth to lie as that’s usually more convincing and harder to disapprove, so I imagine there are some elements of truth here. We do know Edward had a manifesto Blackwood wouldn’t have wanted, and now Blackwood has his own manifesto, so there’s motivation, plus we know Faustus disliked a lot of things that Edward wanted for the Churches of Darkness (Equality for witches, for one)...is it possible Blackwood tried to stop them getting the manifesto to the Anti-Pope and the whole thing went wrong? That he was to blame but by accident? Or was it one of his dedicated Judas Society boys that did it? Taking Blackwood’s words as instruction rather than complaint, and then realising what had happened, covered it up to save himself as much as anything? I just feel there are elements of truth here and it does make sense for him to be connected to it all things considered, but I’m just not quite sure which parts are accurate and which are exaggerated. 

“Well, I’ll be damned” Usually, they stay stuff in the reverse in this show. ‘Those blessed Pagans’ instead of ‘those cursed Pagans’, and ‘what in the heaven’ instead of ‘what in the hell’, so I feel like ‘I’ll be damned’ should be reversed, like ‘I’ll be blessed’ or something along that line. I feel this was just a slip up on the writers part (much how I hated in the little mermaid on Broadway, they had the sisters say ‘she doesn’t even dip her toe in’ rather than ‘her tail in’; keep with the lexicon, people!) but I would really love if it was because she was spending so much time with Adam and so having to be careful what she says and how she says things, and she’s got into a habit of saying ‘I’ll be damned’ and ‘what the hell’ and didn’t realise she did it with Sabrina. 

When Sabrina says ‘you were his secretary, what do you remember about that time?’ you see the slightest flicker in Lilith’s expression where she’s like ‘oh yeah I was his secretary wasn’t I? And...in love with him, I think? But yes secretary...and obviously, I know things’ and so she proceeds to do what she does often with Sabrina; bluffs, bluffs like hell. She even has the same vibe as the exorcism episode where she’s all pacing around, avoiding Sabrina’s eye as she instead looks into the fire, going ‘ah, well, erm, yes, I...’ and buying herself time to come up with a story, trying to remember what she does know about what happens and neatly tying herself into it.

When she finally has a story in mind, she literally swivels around, chin lifted, like yes I am here with a story, I’m good now, let’s start again. Ahem, there was an enquiry. You can literally see that that she has taken that brief hesitant moment to come up with everything she’s about to say now, but the difference from here to exorcism episode, is she now has Sabrina’s full trust, so she doesn’t have to go so crazy and elaborate and all over the place with her story. She keeps it short and simple and it’s safe and convincing.

“An inquiry, immediately after the crash, the very definition of a whitewash”; definitely happened, therefore she starts with the truth, an indisputable fact, but she delivers it with emotion, reminding Sabrina subtly ‘yes I love him too and the whitewash of it all hurt’ and obviously that makes her story not just believable but sympathetic; she and Sabrina both want justice for Edward, don’t they?

“You know who ordered it and reviewed it’s findings of course?” Again, easy fact to know and prove, so we can definitely assume Blackwood was in charge, and it would make sense since he became High Priest in Edward’s place. 

But then Sabrina starts asking legit questions such as why did Blackwood want to kill her parents, was it purely for ambition, what work was she trying to stop and Lilith now has to move into the manipulation part of the story, bending the truth, telling it in a way as to make it work in her favour. 

“Your Mother and Father were bound for Rome, well more accurately the Vatican necropolis beneath Rome, he was to meet with the Anti-Pope and deliver his manifesto, a bold doctrine to reform the church of night” I’m guessing this is all true, unless Lilith went to the lengths of shoving Edward’s manifesto into the bottom of the ocean, this all seems correct, but this would have been information easily researched, and no doubt the reason Hilda and Zelda don’t talk about it, as it’s the idea that maybe someone in the church wanted him dead for his manifesto and they can’t face the idea of that. So they always insist it’s an accident. 

“A traditionalist like Blackwood would do anything to stop Edward from presenting it to the Anti-Pope” Now this is the bit which is more theory than fact, but note how she doesn’t state it as fact, it’s all ‘well he is a traditionalist’ which is very true, so she lets Sabrina fill in the gaps there, she doesn’t commit to the theory, only suggests it. Stirring the cauldron. But, considering how vehemently Blackwood tries to stop Sabrina presenting the manifesto and his wide-eyed look when he sees it, and how he freaking KILLS the Anti-Pope to stop it all, suggests Lilith might have hit the nail on the head. Whether it was Blackwood himself or, as I said above, one of his boys taking it upon himself to do it and Blackwood covered it up, I think we can safely presume he was involved somehow. 

“What was in the manifesto? You must have kept a copy” Sabrina says and you would think, as his secretary. Mary would indeed have a copy. But Lilith knows this is the one bit she can’t bullshit, because if Sabrina gets to the manifesto what she claims was in it could be easily disproven, so Lilith doesn’t even make an attempt, she simply she says no there was only one, but when she says ‘somewhere at the bottom of the ocean’ she yet again plays the hurt and sad card, that subtle reminder that she cared about Edward too, it all encourages Sabrina to share with her, to trust her, to believe they’re in this together. 

“Well, then your parents would not have died in vain” That was the money phrase right there. That’s the one that Lilith knows will push Sabrina into action, the idea that not only have her parents been murdered, but that their attempts were lost and all for nothing, directly appeals to her sense of family loyalty and her ‘I must do what’s right no matter the cost’ vibe. Lilith’s smile is almost smug but she manages to hold it back, because she’s probably thinking ‘Getting Sabrina to take on Blackwood and avenge her Father to bring down the temple is literally the easiest task ever. I’m done and it’s not even lunch’.

Also, later on when Adam asks about Sabrina, that tells us he was in the house when Sabrina was there. Did she meet him? I mean she must have seen him at the dance but did she actually meet him here? Did she realise he was a mortal and so keep quiet, but then think to herself that Ms Wardwell is even more someone she can trust, because she wants a life with mortals just as Sabrina does? Also she told Sabrina the reason she was excommunicated for wanting to marry a mortal; does she think Adam is that mortal? Or that it was so long ago that that mortal has died and Adam is new? Why could we not have had a scene where Adam walked in on Lilith and Sabrina and awkwardness ensued??

[magaprima]

Part 2 Episode 5 Thoughts (Part 4 of 4)

After the dinner scene and the kiss, the next time we see Lilith is in the middle of the night, and the only light on in the house is coming from the upstairs bedroom, thus telling us immediately that’s where Lilith and Adam are. We then see Lilith coming downstairs, dressed in a nightgown now, not her green one, but a burgundy one, one less ‘I am a demoness who is going to eat you whole and spit out the bones’ and more ‘I am a sensual woman who likes silks’, which again reveals to us about Lilith’s mindset.

She says ‘I’ll be right back, my love’ and both the words and the way she says them are very telling. For one, she calls him ‘my love’, which she never has before. We’ve heard her call him ‘Adam, dear’ as a Mary affectation but that’s about it. But ‘my love’ is very personal, very intimate, and very much openly reveals how Lilith feels about him. As I said in the last post, his words, his consideration, his respect and promises as well as the consensual kiss, were the moment she fell in love with him. And the way she says it here, she sounds like she’s on a restful cloud 9. She’s at peace, she sounds dreamy and she’s strolling casually like someone in love. She’s in no rush for the water, no rush for anything, she’s content and happy here and it stands out for the fact we’ve never seen her like this before and we haven’t see her like this since, which is tragic.

This all very post-coital, the pace she moves, the way she speaks, what she’s wearing, the fact she’s come from the bedroom, the words she uses, all of it says she and Adam have just consummated their relationship (especially as Adam learned ‘Mary’ was no longer waiting for marriage). This is such a sensual moment in a peaceful, domestic way and it’s all the more touching for the fact Lilith has never had this.

And the Dark Lord arrives and ruins it all (his timing of just showing up....does that mean he just watched them have sex? Probably, the perv)

The way Lilith’s mood flips in a nanosecond, she goes from smiling and content, to absolute fear and panic on her face, turning around so quickly in horror that she smashes the glass of water she’d just poured on the ground. Her fear and kneejerk reaction to his arrival is so instinctual and so visceral, that all her happiness has vanished in a single moment by his mere arrival.

She tries to gather herself in that moment., acknowledging him with his name, but she is so thrown. She looks not like a demoness who has been by his side for millennia, but a witch who didn’t expect the arrival and fears what it means. It’s almost a parallel to Zelda’s vibe and fear when he arrives before her wedding. Whereas arrival of the Dark Lord in the past with Lilith has always been expected, welcome or even outright summoned, here we definitely feel it’s an invasion and one Lilith doesn’t want. 

‘The temple has yet to fall. The mortal is a distraction. Get rid of him, Lilith’

Okay, firstly, Adam’s presence has nothing to do with how slow the temple falling is going. Lilith has done her bit, now Sabrina has to do hers, and Sabrina is apparently so self-involved she hasn’t even noticed Ms Wardwell has a boyfriend in the house. But whatever. So this was clearly such a flimsy reason for him to command Lilith to get rid of Adam, and I have to wonder why he gave a reason at all. Why not just ‘I don’t like him, get rid of him’. And then that ties back to other posts I’ve made about Lilith saying their relationship is co-dependency, and how Lucifer needs Lilith much more than he realises or will ever admit. He wants rid of Adam because Adam means she’s not focusing on Lucifer. And that’s literally the it. And he does sort of admit that, to an extent, when he says ‘you belong to me and only me’, but it’s him qualifying by viewing Lilith as a possession, something he has ownership of and the right to command. 

Lilith quickly says ‘of course’, agreeing, and the breathless fear is still in her voice, but you can see in her expression that, as ever, she’s calculating and planning ahead. Lilith’s very character, her entire origin story, is about not being told what to do, and her entire instinct is defiance. But we know she suppresses that out of survival in the presence of the Dark Lord. The fact that her feelings for Adam are so strong that she breaks that survivalist rule and starts immediately planning how not to get rid of him, speaks volumes. 

And now onto the ring. I’ve talked in the past about how Lilith is very, very powerful and people seem to forget that, and this ring is evidence of that power. An engraved ring, with her own spell spoken over it, is enough to entirely hide Adam from the Dark Lord. She can HIDE SOMEONE FROM THE SIGHT OF LUCIFER MORNINGSTAR. Like that’s extremely powerful. Remember in the Part 2 finale when the Spellmans were trying to find a way to hide Sabrina and all Ambrose came up with was a spell where she’d have to be constantly moving?  Nope, no such crazy for Lilith. She can obscure someone with just a freaking ring. The only reason the spell didn’t work is that Stolas spied on her and then betrayed her to Lucifer (so I figure the spell works like that one in Harry Potter, where you can’t see the thing, unless one of the keyholders tells you where it is? Like Grimmauld Place?)

“Yes, but if I don’t protect the mortal, Stolas, I won’t get to play with him any longer, and I have grown rather fond of him”

Her reasoning to Stolas is an attempt to downplay her feelings, talking about playing with him, and only saying ‘fond’ (a word she uses in Part 3 which I personally feel is Lilith’s go-to word when she’s afraid to say love. So if she’s ‘fond’ of something, she freaking loves it) but that downplaying is disproven by the word ‘protect’. She’s not hiding Adam, she’s not keeping him, she’s not obscuring him or secreting him away, she’s protecting him. She’s keeping him safe. And that’s a big fucking deal for Lilith.

But of course Stolas, presumably, points out the Dark Lord wanted her to kill him and Lilith snaps, getting quite angry here, which again shows her true feelings.

“Oh relax. What the Dark Lord doesn’t know won’t hurt him”

Yet, the moment Adam comes back in, her entire ‘tough facade’ fades, and she’s suddenly wide eyed and concerned and she literally runs over to him, grabbing Adam by the hands and pulling him closer, almost as if she feels he’s less at risk of being found if he’s close to her. She is so desperately determined to keep him safe and that’s heartbreaking. 

“I’d like you to wear this ring, but you must never ever take it off”

Not only is she insistent here, with her emphasis on ever, because she knows the moment he takes it off he’ll be in danger (omg is that what happened with Stolas? Maybe it doesn’t work like the Grimmauld Place spell, maybe Stolas pulled the fucking ring off???? I mean Adam already got the vibe the bird didn’t like him), but it’s the breathless urgency she speaks with. She’s wide-eyed and worried, she needs this to work, she needs him to be safe, Lilith is all in at this point and it shows that she does really have this huge capacity for love (after all she was created human originally).

“Of course, Mary, but what does this mean” He agrees without question but is so bloody confused, like last night we said no marriage and now you’re giving me a ring to never take off....what is happening here?

And then LILITH SHOVES THE RING ON HIM. She doesn’t wait for him to take it and put it on, that’s taking too long, it has too much risk, and so she puts it on him, and that gives us nice marriage visual, of how one partner puts the ring on the other during the ceremony, and considering her first and only ‘husband’ was the Adam in the Garden, it’s a nice contrast to her willingly engaging in something akin to marriage with another Adam, one who respects her and appreciates her, reminding us that that was the only reason Lilith ended up on this path to Hell and demoness-hood. She just wanted to be treated equally and with respect. So much would have been different for her origin story if the first Adam had been like Adam 2.0. Perhaps someone like Adam 2.0 would have defied the False God with her, refused his laws of ‘women are less’ and left with Lilith. Perhaps they would have been witches together, or simply free together, who knows. My point is, a little respect means Lilith might have been saved so much pain and suffering. 

“It means we’re setting a date. But only if you swear to me, you’ll never take it off” She’s so vehemently insistent. Her fear and her concern for him is making her so vehement in her instructions that he keep the ring on. 

AND THEN HE FREAKING PICKS HER UP IN THE CUTEST MOMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN. Made all the cuter by Lilith’s little gasp of delighted surprise. Adam  is picking up the MOTHER OF DEMONS and he has no idea. Like no one has ever gotten to be that intimate or carefree or sweet with Lilith, he’s allowed to be so close to her, to entirely get under those walls she’s built up and it’s beautiful. This is such a cute moment and again shows us the happiness Lilith might have had, the suffering she might have avoided in an alternate reality. 

When he puts her down, declaring he loves her, Lilith instinctively kisses him. SHE kisses HIM. He initiates it mostly, but she moves inwards too, meeting him half way without encouragement and she does it without thinking, it’s instinctual, she kisses him. And then she realises what she’s just done and you see she’s surprised by it-- she doesn’t kiss mortal men, she doesn’t have happy intimacy with mortal men, but here she has, without a second thought. It’s natural and comfortable to her, and she looks so cute and happy and delighted by this realisation. LOOK AT HER

[chokit-pyrus]

absolutely bonkers the way people misinterpret so much about Blitz and Stolas's relationship. So many people freaking out about the blink-and-you'll-miss-it menu shot and completely ignoring LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE.

Rant Below (with Sources)

Stolas has always been open about his relationship with Blitz.

Even in season 1, Stolas has never hid his and Blitz's relationship. In LooLoo Land (in front of Via), Harvest Moon (in front of the crowd), Truth Seekers (in front of I.M.P & the humans). Stolas is incredibly open about his affections for Blitz. And in season 2 we find out that the day after he hooked up with him, he told Stella he was leaving her.

After the Mammon special, viewers talk about Ozzie coming out about his relationship with Fizz, even though Stolas has never hid his.

In these instances, Stolas is being incredibly open about his relationship with Blitz. It's Blitz who is denying that they are together, which he literally does here:

It's Blitz who doesn't want people to know about him and Stolas, because Blitz is scared of admitting he actually likes him.

Even in the infamous episode Ozzie's, Stolas very openly is enjoying going out with Blitz, while Blitz is acting like he'd rather be anywhere else. Stolas walks into the establishment holding his hand, gives the bouncer sass when he's rude to Blitz, nothing about this is him hiding the fact that they are on a date.

2. Blitz demonizes his loved ones

It is made explicitly clear that Blitz sabotages his relationships because he's afraid of being loved. As Moxxie put it: he 'alienates with his toxic routine.'

Blitz is verbally aggressive about most everybody in his life, even when it's people that he cares about, or people he feels guilty about. (emasculating Moxxie, calling Fizz a sellout, calling Verosika a whore)

His loud, cocky, abrasive personality is a facade to hide his self-hatred. He demonizes the people he has wronged so he doesn't have to feel guilty when he hurts them. This is made more clear in Apology Tour that Blitz puts the blame of his relationships ending on his partners. In an act of self-defense Blitz displaces his bad feelings for himself onto others. Blitz: "...everyone's just bitter they couldn't tie this ass down." Verosika even says, "...you still make me feel like a bad person for being angry at you now."

In Oops, when Blitz reunites with Fizz, he's immediately aggressive to him despite what we learn in the episode that Blitz feels incredibly guilty about the fire. So much so that he hates himself.

Yet below: Fizz makes a mean comment reminding Blitz of Fizz's past injuries, and Blitz's response is to physically assault him.

The point of this is to say that Blitz is not a reliable perspective. The terrible things he says about certain people are not what he truly thinks. (He later apologizes to both Fizz and Verosika)

This part in Ozzie's is another example of Blitz displacing his feelings of guilt onto another person, making it seem like it's Stolas's fault for their horrible date and not his own. Even though he was the one that invited Stolas out under false pretenses and neglected him the entire time. That it was his ex-girlfriend and ex-friend that verbally and publicly shat on them.

This is something that Brandon Rogers (writer & Blitz's VA) commented on at a convention. x "I just felt really bad because I know you (Stolas's VA) didn't deserve- Blitz maybe thinks you deserved it. I know you didn't."

Apology Tour gives us another example of Blitz's emotional displacement. When he screams at Stolas early in the episode, saying he doesn't need to apologize to him. And then later he admits that he didn't actually mean that.

3. Blitzo's Guilt

Blitz feels guilt over the things he's done to hurt people. This concept is explored in Apology Tour, but also pops up in other episodes as well. He's trapped in a self-sabotaging spiral where he has hurt people in the past so he's terrified of hurting people in the present, but because he's hurt people before (the fire) he doesn't think he deserves good things, so he sabotages the good things in his life, which adds more fuel to his self-hatred which causes him to continue to 'alienate people with his toxic routine'. It's a self fulfilling prophecy basically.

Ghostf*ckers is about this exact topic, with Blitz being tormented with his mistakes and self-hatred.

Blitz continues to feel guilt over how he treated Stolas after Mastermind and Sinsmas, with him feeling guilty that Stolas lost everything to save him. See Blitz's face when Via calls him out:

In Ozzie's, Blitz took advantage of Stolas's feelings for him and invited him on a date just to use him. Then while at the restaurant he ignored him the whole time, and then got the two of them called out by Fizz and Ozzie. They were both humiliated about their past actions (Blitz being bad at relationships and Stolas for leaving his wife for Blitz).

4. So what's up with that freaking Menu?

Antis are looking to throw Stolas under the bus because they don't want to admit that their poor Blitzy-witzy could have done anything wrong. I can't help but feel like Verosika: "Aww, poor Bwitz, finawy having to own that his actions affect other people's fee-fees! Bitch, please." Blitz does make bad choices, and he does hurt people who don't deserve it. That's been a thing in the show since Truth Seekers, which is episode 6 out of 20.

Blitz's face after the menu is not heartbreak because stolas considers him some dirty secret, as a lot of people seem to think. Blitz's face here is guilt and embarrassment.

It's basically the same face he makes in Apology Tour which according to the storyboards is "silently cursing self out".

Because he DOES think that Stolas threw his life away for him. That he ruined his family because of him. Which is literally what he says in Sinsmas about Stolas's sacrifice.

In an effort to avoid acknowledging that Blitz has done something wrong, people fixate on the menu and draw a bizarre conclusion. Obviously just from season 1, we didn't know a lot about their relationship, or about Stolas in general. But Season 2 had more episodes and featured Stolas and Stolitz as a central plot. Being up to date with canon, the interpretation that 'Stolas was ashamed of Blitz and Blitz was hurt by him hiding behind the menu' is completely invalidated.

And I also don't believe that Blitz ever even considered that!

Stolas is incredibly flawed and has made a lot of mistakes in his relationship with Blitz, but in Ozzie's, he is not the one in the wrong here. It was wrong of Blitz to use Stolas to get into the club, and it was wrong of him to put the blame on Stolas for the disaster.

The point of Blitz's obsession with M&M is because they have the perfect relationship that he secretly craves. He lives vicariously through them, while he actively avoids his relationship with Stolas.

Since ya'll love bringing up the pilot to characterize Stolas, here's this quote from the pilot.

Blitz in Ghostf*ckers finally admits to missing Stolas, finally admits that he did have a relationship with him. And that's when he gives up trying to threeway M&M. And in Mastermind and Sinsmas, Blitz is absolutely smitten with Stolas and doesn't try to hide his feelings anymore.

So back to Ozzie's...

When Moxxie sings "Cause I love you" it immediately cuts to Stolas, who turns to look at Blitz. This insinuates that Stolas is thinking the same thing about Blitz, that he loves Blitz, so he reaches to take his hand, and Blitz, who is wrapped up in his self-hatred and reminded of the shitty way he treats people, pulls away. (Verosika calls him a selfish lover and Fizz says he's shit at relationships, and he's reminded that Stolas seemingly ruined his family for Blitz)

And in the flashes of terrible memories in Ghostf*ckers, we see Blitz's hand pulling away from Stolas, and the Evil Menu is nowhere to be found.

People love to say nasty things about Stolas in this episode, but he's on his best behavior. As soon as he arrives at the location he switches to calling him 'Blitz' instead of 'Blitzy'. He attempts to defend Blitz the same way Millie tried to stand up for Moxxie.

But he's immediately dragged back to his seat by Asmodeus. And unlike Millie, Stolas isn't the kind of person that would hit someone with a guitar. (At least not yet lol)

Then after Blitz rejects Stolas's hand-hold, Blitz abruptly makes them leave and takes Stolas home. And Blitz continues to deflect when Stolas tries to salvage the evening.

*cue the sad music*

He's trying not to cry in front of Stolas, trying not to be vulnerable. So he deflects like he always does and blames Stolas for the evening. This is the exact same as when he attacked Fizz in Oops, or how he vilinized Verosika in the entirety of Spring Breakers.

When he feels guilty, he incorrectly pushes the blame on to other people.

The entirety of the episode contradicts what Blitz claims here. And Stolas, the absolute doormat, doesn't call him on it.

This is literally factually untrue with what the episode showed us. But people take Blitz's claim at face value even despite all the evidence to the contrary.

In conclusion:

Shut up about the menu! 😤

Another thing that bothers me about people who give Stolas shit for hiding his face with the menu at Ozzie's, is how it's always the same people who also give Stolas shit for "cheating" on his "wife"... but now they suddenly WANT Stolas to throw his "family" under the bus for Blitz?! Not to mention it's also always the same people who shit on Stolas for defending Blitz in Mastermind... WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM HIM?!

Filed under: These people hate Stolas for the sake of hating Stolas, no matter what argument they have to pull out of their ass.