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twilightofthesandwiches · 12 days ago

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When I made that post about how Spamton and Tenna were probably both mimicking each other due to mutual jealousy, I mentioned by the end that, although both of them saw the other as having something they lack...

Spamton was, like, objectively the worst-off between the two, and his jealousy of Tenna is probably more 'justified' than the other way around'. But also Tenna is unaware and probably totally incapable of understanding this fact . Since the reasons behind it are dependent both on the culture of the internet and the deeper machinations of Light and Dark.

I didn’t really go into depth about it at the time cause it is a complex topic that I did kinda cover for Spamton before Chapters 3 + 4 even released and if I started going into it in detail, it could’ve easily overshadowed the main point I was trying to make with that post. But since I did get some comments/questions about that aspect… I thought it might be a good idea to give it its own post going into it in detail and clarifying my point.

So, both Spamton and Tenna imitate each other because they see the other as an embodiment of something they don’t have. Tenna has the charm, prestige and both metaphorical and literal ‘bigness’ that Spamton craves. While Spamton has the modernity, understanding of technological progress and ability to reach Lightners that Tenna’s so insecure about lacking these days.

(I think you can kinda see it as a metaphor to the relationship between traditional media and the new media in general. Old Media such as the Television is getting overshadowed and outcompeted by the Internet-based New Media, but it also still has an air of respectability and prestige that New Media still generally lacks. The fact that Tenna is specifically jealous of, like, the lowest, least-respectable, most obnoxious aspect of the Internet is just an extra detail that makes him more uniquely pathetic.)

But the main difference is, like… So Tenna is a Television Darkner, he’s supposed to exist for the purpose of providing entertainment. He loves entertainment because that’s what he was created to do and entertaining Lightners is the thing that makes him feel truly fulfilled. He is also, by all accounts pretty damn good at it.

Like, the main conflict between Tenna and the Lightners is because he wanted his show to go on forever (And also he kidnapped Toriel and was keeping the Dark Fountain from getting sealed and working with the Knight). They did clearly enjoy being on his show as a temporary thing. He's honestly good at this.

I mean, the fact that he has a set Purpose hardwired into his very being and can’t feel truly content unless he’s fulfilling said Purpose is kinda Existentially Depressing if you think about it too hard, but at least it’s something he both enjoys and is good at.

And then you have Spamton. As the Magical Dream Representation of Spam Email, he is created to scam people out of their money and information. He is also generally obsessed with all the things your usual Spam Mail blathers on about, success, prestige, being a BIG SHOT. But being Spam Mail also means he is utterly terrible at doing his Purpose and fulfilling his goals. Spam Mail is weird, obviously scammy, gets thrown away 99% of the time, and is the lowest and most incompetent form of online advertising/scams. The basic essence of his metaphysical being is to be a frustrated, miserable failure.

Of course, this isn’t as simple as saying Tenna is metaphysically allowed to be truly happy while Spamton isn’t. Because it’s been a long time since Tenna has been able to fulfill his Purpose. He’s good at entertainment… but he’s not good enough to get anyone in the Dreemurr household to turn on the TV on the regular. His show is loads of fun, but it’s also kind of repetitive, cheesy and old-fashioned… because that’s also the Lightner perception of the classic TV that Tenna was created to represent.

You can easily say that just as Spamton’s preordained role is to be a failure because Spam Mail is by definition crappy, Tenna’s role is to be a failure because in these modern times, the definition of the television has changed to be ‘not good enough’.

And the whole thing is actually totally outside Tenna’s control. Obviously no one can truly control the march of time or stop new entertainment technology from being developed, but even in terms of the content Tenna can provide if he's switched on... That’s in the hands of Lightner TV producers.

In his Dark World, Tenna’s living the high-life, the biggest and only Big Shot in TV World. but he’s incapable of being satisfied with all of his power and prestige as long as he’s a failing his Purpose as a Light World television. A matter that is actually totally beyond his control.

Tenna’s aware of all of these problems, but he’s not fully aware of how these issues reflect Spamton’s situation. He’s knows nothing about the modern internet world

…He doesn’t know what being ‘Spam’ means, and therefore has no idea what Spamton is supposed to be. He met Spamton during the brief period of time the salesman was genuinely successful as an adbot, he has no idea about the unlucky Addison he was before or the total wreck he became later.

… But that is also part of the crucial difference. Spamton only became successful and therefore happy due to the help of the mysterious Someone that has been calling him.

And…we are still not quite sure how that worked. Was that simply someone from the Light World aggressively clicking on so much Spam Mail and shitty ads that it temporarily changed Spamton’s status in the Dark Worlds? Did that Someone give Spamton the secret to actually defy the role assigned him by the metaphysical laws governing his existence? Was it done through the power of the Shadow Crystal? The power of the Prophecy? Were they taking advantage of the fact that the events we're talking didn’t truly happen and were instead retconned into Spamton’s personal history when the Computer Room Dark World created him?

There are so many question marks about Spamton’s Mysterious Benefactor and how that whole thing worked… and that’s because giving Spamton a happier and more successful life is something that seems like it should be literally metaphysically impossible. And while Tenna was pretty much trapped in an unsatisfying existence due to the nature of his being and circumstances beyond his control… his problems were also much easier to solve from a Lightner perspective.

Sure, the television doesn’t get the sort of universal success and influence that it did when Tenna was brand new, but there are still people who watch and enjoy it. As long as that fact holds true for at least one household (and seeing how books, radio and cinema still exist despite the television overshadowing them back during Tenna’s hay-day, I doubt the TV will ever die completely) and as long as Tenna himself is a usable television then Tenna’s happiness is absolutely achievable.

It is kinda existentially terrifying to think about how this was all out of his control and couldn’t have happened if not for Kris and Susie’s actions in the Light World, that Tenna himself still had no power over his own happiness… but that still leaves him in a better position than poor Spamton, where… even if you were a Lightner honestly interested in giving Spamton a happier life… what could you do for him?

Like, Noelle obsessively responds to "Free Friend Finder" Spam in a desperate attempt to find Dess and that got Spamton's attention and gratitude, but it was still obviously a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the success he is destined to crave for… So this is clearly much more complicated than just humoring a few Spam Mails (and also, even that plan carries a much bigger risk to the Lightners compared to just giving someone a second-hand television. Because Spamton is also ontologically doomed to bite the hand that feeds him.)

But, like, there is a reason why Tenna was shoving his nose into Spamton’s Secret to Success. Obviously with Tenna already being Executive Producer and God-King of TV World, he’s not exactly looking to become a ‘Big Shot’ in the Dark Worlds - he’s looking to have the sort of reach and influence that internet-based Darkners like Spamton seems to have over the Lightners. He was looking for Spamton's advice in the hopes he could help him to understand modern technology and the changing times, help him to stop himself from becoming increasingly outdated… But is that something Tenna would've been even able to do?

Again, before the TV World Dark Fountain even opened, Tenna shouldn't have had any way to affect his situation in the Light World, he was just an inanimate TV. If Spamton taught him to 'plug in'… what would that mean? Would the Dreemurr Household's living room TV suddenly gain the ability to connect to the internet? Would it suddenly transform into a Smart TV out of nowhere? Would it suddenly starts broadcasting new content that's more appealing to modern audiences (at least according to Spamton's advice)?

The idea that's the least magically-breaking-the-laws-of-causality is that Spamton was thinking of asking Someone to upgrade Tenna's inanimate TV self in the Light World… and even that kinda stumbles into the mindfuck acknowledgement that all of the events we're talking about didn't truly happen the way Tenna and Spamton remember them because they were an inanimate object and a spam folder on a laptop at the time and all of their past and memories of being People were created when they were brought to life by their respective Dark Fountains so how could they ask anyone in the Light World to do anything at that point in time?

Tenna was actually trying to get Spamton to help him do the same thing he's done, defy the fate he was doomed to because of what he is in the Light World. To help him break the laws of how Dark and Light work so he can get closer to accomplishing his dreams. Even though he doesn't seem to be fully aware of the fact that was what Spamton did in the first place. And… there is a level where I'm wondering if Tenna even understood the full ramification of what he was planning for himself?

Because when it comes to Tenna being unaware of Spamton's miserable fate due to the fact he doesn't know what a "Spam Mail" is, that is a simple problem of a lack of knowledge. Tenna just doesn't have that information due to his status as a pre-internet piece of technology. But when it comes to the matter of the metaphysical mechanics of Light and Dark and how Darkners work… I feel ike it's not really a matter of knowledge as much as a matter of understanding.

Tenna clearly knows that as a Darker, he is created from the Dreemurr Household's TV, he knows that before the Dark Fountain opened he was just an inanimate object, he knows that means that his Purpose is to entertain Lightners… But does he actually think about what all of these facts actually mean? Does he fully understand the implications of his existence? I've already wrote so much about all the little things that make Tenna's life, maybe better than Spamton's, but definitely kind of an existential nightmare in it's own right if you think about it… but that's the question, does he actually think about it?

When we was trying to get that 'deal' done with Spamton, was he thinking about in terms of 'I'm gonna need to break the laws of what it means to be me, Tenna, a Darkner based on this specific old TV. Because by definition I am outdated and if I want to actually catch-up with the times and be watched again, I will have to change that Definition somehow?' or was it just 'Oh boy! That Silly Little Guy knows a lot about this internet stuff that scares and confuses me! And he's got so many views! I have to ask him how he does it..." without ever thinking of the implications of how'd he'd replicate 'how he does it'?

I think there's a lot of little hints that Spamton doesn't just want to rebel against the metaphysical laws that made him a constant failure so he could be a Big Shot… Spamton also wants to want different things. As he exists, Spamton isn't supposed to care about anything but deals and scams and money and success (while also existing to constantly fail to achieve these things), but his actual dream is now something much bigger than that, much more centered around his freedom. Although part of the tragedy is that he is still doomed to only being able to think about it in terms of power and status, and doomed to being unable to think of a plan to achieve that dream without scamming money out of people and exploiting them in general.

Even when he's giving Kris the KeyGen, he has to try and sell it for a sometimes ludicrous amount of money, because he's not supposed to care for anything but sales and deals… But he does seem to try and fight against this instinct.

And it's clear that he is very emotionally hurt by all the friendships he lost and all the bridges he burned. With Tenna most obviously, but also with the Addisons and with Swatch. As a Spam-Email, he's not supposed to care about those things more than he does about Deals and Scams, but as a person, it's clear that this is a huge part of his angst. In the Normal Route, Spamton starts projecting his own issues on Kris the moment he sees them walking through the Dark World alone. In the Weird Route, Spamton only starts doing it in the NEO Boss Fight, when they start calling out to their friends. Either way, it happens when he sees them alone.

In terms of the metaphysics of Light and Dark, Spamton's essential definition is being a weird failed scam-artist. In Spamton's own eyes, his essential definition is being lonely and abandoned.

And of course, the whole point of Spamton NEO's Spare Route, the closest thing to a happy ending he ever got, is about abandoning all of his grand plans to become [BIG] for the sake of friendship.

Tenna… does not seem to struggle against his nature in the same way. He is not bothered by the implications of having a set Purpose or maybe he just never thought about it that much. He fully embraces the idea that his Purpose is to Entertain and to be Watched, and even when he's sad and frustrated because he can't fulfil that goal… he blames himself for failing to fulfil it, he does not go against the idea that fulfilling this Purpose IS the number one thing he wants and needs.

He's already in a better spot than Spamton was, because, although he's got a bit of an Entertainment Industry Sleaze coding to him with all of his shady contracts, being based on an Object that generally makes Lightners' life more enjoyable and has a lot of sentimental memories associated with it makes him considerably more capable of caring about other people and forming meaningful relationships. But even when his obsessive pursuit of his goal ends up with him alienating all of his TV World employees (even Mike!) and causing his world to crumble all around him, he never doubts that there is nothing more important to him than Entertaining Lightners.

I think if you went to Tenna and asked him if he ever wanted to want a different thing, something that doesn't make him totally dependent on outside approval, he'd just be confused. What in this world could be a better and more worthy goal than bringing smiles and tears to the lovely viewers at home? What else is there? It's just not something he could ever even being to think about.

And sure, Tenna might know and acknowledge that he's the Dreemurr Household TV and that's why he cares so much about entertaining specifically the Dreemurr (and Holiday) family… but does he truly understand the way that his personality was shaped by the emotions of Kris and Toriel during the night the Fountain was opened? For him, his emotional grief at the slow dissolution of the Dreemurr family is just his genuine emotional response based on his personality and his memories and the experiences he had… and I think it is real... but it's also a projection of Kris and Toriel's feelings.

For him, his fixation over Toriel is born of the fact she was the last member of the Household to consistently Watch him…

But it's also born of the way he's kind of a reflection of Asgore's Divorced Behavior.

Is Tenna aware of the idea that his feelings, that feel 100% real for him, were also 'given' to him by the Lightners? Does it bother him at all? Does it not bother him because of an actual confidence in his own personhood and the validity of his perspective and his personal sense of self… or just because he never thought that deeply, that far, into the implications of his own existence?

Tenna knows what it means to be a Darkner, but he doesn't understand what Spamton understands. And as long as this gap exists, Tenna won't ever really know how miserable and doomed Spamton truly was. And I think as Tenna gets happier and more content, now that he's got a new loving home, he will be less and less driven and able to understand it. This little adventure he had with the Knight and the Fun Gang was probably the closest he's ever gotten.

Even if you sat him down and patiently explained what a Spam Mail is in the most 70's terms you could muster, he still won't truly understand why Spamton can't just replicate the success he had when these two knew each other, or why Spamton was so determined to 'see past the Dark'. Not anymore, at least. Because that requires delving into things he knows, but has never truly understood on a deep level. And maybe it's better for him that he doesn't.

I think, Tenna was on… the precipice. He took great interest in Spamton's success, he wanted to know his secret, they had almost signed a deal together. Tenna's frustration and lack of ability to fulfil his Purpose had led him to a point where had almost tried to defy his Existence the way Spamton had never stopped trying. He was unsatisfied and miserable enough that he almost became… maybe not exactly like Spamton, but at least a lot like King. Y'know, the Dark World Leader who got a lot of secret info from the Shadow Crystal Holder he was closest to, and thus inspired him to rage against fate and actively try to defy his Purpose?

Maybe not exactly the same as King… but he had almost tried seeing too far. Almost.

But at the end of the day, Spamton felt that the only way he could be truly happy is to find some way to cut off his puppet-strings, while Tenna is someone who finds true joy and contentment in simply dancing along to them.

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gobbogoo · 15 days ago

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Ramb was the Jevil/Spamton of TV World

- Jevil concluded that if nothing was real, he could do anything without consequence.

- Spamton concluded that if nothing was real, he needed to make himself real.

- Ramb concluded that if nothing was real, the best he could do was offer "freedom" to someone who IS real. (Us)

While he talks to Kris, it's clear how much of his dialogue is aimed at us. He talks about games, about being railroaded by developers and morality, and how true freedom can only come from playing the game how YOU want to. If you're on the weird route, he'll even say he's indulging "the part of you that enjoyed yesterday," because he knows if the player sought that path out and is sticking to it, they must be at-least partially enjoying it.

He never references the morality of our actions, because he believes that they don't matter. It's just a game, right? All that matters is that the player enjoys themselves. This is also meant to mirror Ralsei's perspective pushed to its logical extreme. Ramb exists entirely to serve the player, regardless of their actions, even as he gradually petrifies. One of his last lines of dialogue references how Kris is talking to an electrical outlet, reminding us that he isn't real and doesn't matter. He's fully succumbed to the same nihilism that haunts Ralsei.

(And of course, he also mirrors Jevil and Spamton in that he's another peculiar little guy with a unique way of talking. If he'd had a boss fight, he would've been the next Tumblr Sexyman for sure.)

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mifgirlcomics · 5 months ago

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Approach the theory if you dare 🫵

I am a very down to earth person , I like realistic stuff and sciences .

So when something isn't logic for me I imagine a logic explication .

For Spamton I was always wondering what Pipis is . Bombs ? Plastic ? Eggs ?

Some people say that is clam but I don't believe them ! That doesn't look like a clam !

I arrived to the conclusion that Pipis are Spamton eggs because that's obvious !Spamton knows therefore how to clone himself .

It's possible in nature , some species do this ! We call it ''parthenogenesis''

HOWEVEEER !

Parthenogenesis is exclusively a female capacity .

So , two hypothesis , either Spamton is a female , or simply an asexual creature .

And I have worse for you !

Remember in the Snowgrave route the castle full of Pipis ? If we count , the number of Pipis is around 110 . That means that after became NEO , Spamton laid all of this in , like , 1 or 2 hours . That's really quick !!

So it reminds me queen bee . For queen bee it's 1500 to 2000 eggs by day . And Spamton NEO look like a big bug , it's Logic ! BUT !

Bee reproduction is sexuate ! Two hypothesis again , Pipis are just clones or they are made with normal reproduction.

Come on , last childhood breakup !

Spamton named some of his Pipis ''Ms.Pipis'' , it means that EITHER : He knows the gender of his offspring or he says that randomly .

If he knows he really look like a queen bee ! Bees can do that by choosing which eggs will be fertilized .

That would means that Spamton fucked with a man for it . Because I don't think that his own cells can do that by themselve !

But who ?

I have an idea buuuuut ... You won't like it !

The one and only person who was classified as '' Spamton companion '' is a short round hysteric demon ...

Fortunately for us I think Spamton met someone else after !

But let's recap :

Spamton maybe a :

- fucking chicken ( female )

- assexuate creature ( most plausible theory )

- Giant Queen bee

I hope your childhood is not to the hospital now lolll

Sorry if my english is bad , I'm french

Eh , I copied all this shit from the Spamton fan club ! It was long !

#deltarune #spamton #Spamton theory #deltarune spamton #deltarune theory

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hypertechnica · 17 days ago

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exploring unexplained darkner lore: WHEN does a darkner gain consciousness, exactly?

alternate title: WOODY THEORY IS ACTUALLY RELEVANT BUT NOT IN THE WAY WE THOUGHT??? MAYBE???

there are so many unanswered questions regarding how darkners and dark worlds “work” and i’m really fascinated by the worldbuilding put out so far - but we still don’t really know what the deal is, not really.

the way ralsei explains dark worlds in chapter 3 basically tells us what we already know, but explicitly - darkners are objects in the light world. they’re not “real” and derive “purpose” from being needed by lightners (which is a whole can of worms.)

as evidenced by lancer’s “all gone!” reaction to susie asking where his dark world went in chapter 2, sealing dark fountains DOES effectively destroy the world, but not necessarily the people inside it (if you decide to recruit them.) there’s an obvious ethical dilemma here that’s been on people’s minds since chapter 1 came out. to me, the biggest question is:

does the dark world always exist, inaccessible to lightners, or is it physically created and destroyed on the same day? are the fountains portals or creators?

the repeated phrase “the unending pillar of darkness that gives my body form” (ralsei’s unused manual)/“the dark fountain that gives the world form” (tv time credits) (there might be more instances im forgetting idk) does imply the latter, as well as the descriptions of “creating fountains” “making dark worlds” as opposed to, say, “opening doors” to them.

but the concept of time here is… weird. darkners consistently refer to the past, every dark world we enter has history, darkners even speak of people from other dark worlds! and the histories always parallel what happened to their corresponding object and space in the light world. chaos king is bitter and hates lightners because they abandoned him and everyone else - because they’re toys left in an abandoned classroom. cyber city doesn’t have this problem because they’re situated in a computer library regularly used by lightners, but queen is struggling with the internet outage. kris’ living room is… a child of divorce. and chapter 4? man i don’t even know. the darkners in the church are so cryptic i haven’t been able to analyse it properly.

so if darkners remember their lives as objects, were they always alive, or were they created by the fountains and “implanted” with those memories? are they even “real” memories?

chapter 3 raises the most questions regarding this. tenna KNOWS kris, watched them grow up. ramb comments on how kris and their friends used to play make believe WITH THE SAME OBJECTS we know now - im failing to remember the line but i know it mentioned how queen and king were at war! and in chapter 4 it’s revealed that dark worlds are warped by the mind that creates them. this raises so many questions - are all objects in the light world sentient and able to communicate with each other, just invisible to lightners? or are objects “summoned” into consciousness with memories of their lives automatically created for them?

and that made me fucking realize. ARE DARKNERS LIKE THE TOYS IN FUCKING TOY STORY???? THINK ABOUT IT. TGINK ANBOUT IT

tenna’s past with spamton is a huge indicator of this - they were business partners, right? and they had a falling out because of a mutual misunderstanding involving the mysterious person calling spamton and making him a Big Shot. well, how the hell did spamton know tenna, if they’re from different dark worlds?

in what i’m fairly certain is game tenna’s last piece of dialogue in the sword route, he says “they never should have brought that computer home…”

spamton knows tenna and mike before tenna’s dark world is created. they communicated and had a relationship before ANY of the dark worlds were created if we take “1997” as the literal year of spamton being a big shot. all because the dreemurs brought a computer home, allowing tenna to meet spamton… now, you could argue that this is because the prophecy is controlling everything, but we already see ways in which the prophecy has been contradicted, so i’m uncertain if the prophecy has THAT strong of a hold on the world. (if that ages bad in the next ten years womp womp)

AND. although we don’t know if this is every object or just objects that have previously been animated via fountains, but tenna shows signs of sentience even in the light world!!! y’all know the line of dialogue with mettaton where he plays a “salacious music video”!!!! look!!!!! THE OBJECTS ARE SENTIENT ITS FUCKING TOY STORY

DARKNERS EITHER LITERALLY LIVE AS SENTIENT OBJECTS (LIKE TOY STORY, THE BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER, ETC) OR IN A MORE ETHEREAL SENSE LIVE ON A SEPARATE PLANE OF EXISTENCE AS DARKNERS BUT CAN ONLY DIRECTLY INTERACT W LIGHTNERS WHEN A FOUNTAIN GIVES THEM ANTHROPOMORPHIC FORM

WAITER! MORE WOODY THEORY PLEASE gets shot 57 times

#deltarune #deltarune spoilers #deltarune theory #woody theory #deltarune chapter 3 #deltarune chapter 4 #tenna #spamton #darkners #dark fountain #deltarune meta

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loathemetc · 2 months ago

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Deltarune Theory: Do you know who your FRIENDs are?

A while ago I made this whole chart about who FRIEND might be and then I just straight up forgot to post it.

And I think I did like, an okay job here, although there are some assumptions and confusions. It's actually the bonus drawings I did that now I think might be closer to the truth.

Well maybe not the second one, maybe the second one, idk, but the new Spamton Sweepstakes stuff does seem to imply FRIEND is Noelle's missing digital pet, with it appearing in the cat petterz minigame and all. But hey, what can we actually do with that information?

Well, let's look at the assumptions we've had before. Obviously this being the "egg" page on the website, along with multiple red trees linking back to it across the website, it gives us the impression that the man behind the tree gave Noelle this egg. But who's the man behind the tree?

Well if you've read my other posts you'd know I agree with Spookydood's hypothesis that neither the man behind the tree nor the mysterious Valentine's letter are Gaster. But the man behind the tree and the mysterious Valentine ARE the same person. Go go gadget evidence compilation:

That seems pretty straightforward, yeah? Very deliberate writing choices. But can we determine who this is even further?

The speaking patterns of the Valentine are very... Alice in Wonderland. A sort of rhythmic speaking in confusions and wordplay. And honestly? I think that tell us everything we need to know.

FRIEND appears as a floating smile in the darkness. He's associated with Noelle's cat game. The egg man is associated with a tree and an odd manner of speech. A cat in a tree that turns into a floating smile and has an odd manner of speech? That's the fucking Cheshire cat, straight up.

I don't think Noelle's game created FRIEND, I think FRIEND was interfacing with it the same way Spamton did. That would explain why the sweepstakes stuff doesn't have to be canon, if it was actually FRIEND's backstory from Noelle's game that would have to be reiterated in the game itself. But if he was just giving her the egg, the same way Spamton gave her the Pipis, that's just a thing he did, not vital backstory.

"But is he Mike though?" Uhhhh. Good question? I'd probably lean no still since FRIEND's name seems to have been forgotten while Spamton just knows Mike's name straight up. Maybe Spamton is special, he does have the glasses in FRIEND's colors. Why would Tenna be looking for FRIEND anyhow? I don't really know or care if FRIEND is Mike right now, I'm pretty satisfied with the conclusions I came to. Thanks to my buddy Victor for helping me reach said conclusions.

Just one last thought though... Is FRIEND from the Card Kingdom? The tree they take with them certainly is. And after all, Chapter 1 is a fantasy forest with a playing card theme and a cruel ruler, that's Alice in Wonderland as hell. If FRIEND is a strange, powerful cat darkner from the Card Kingdom... Well, so is Seam. Seam, who has been our guide to the secret bosses. FRIEND, who''s face has only ever been seen in game guiding us to the Spamton fight. Hm.

Curiouser and curiouser.

#deltarune #deltarune theory #seam #FRIEND #deltarune FRIEND #spamton sweepstakes #spamton #gaster #jevil #noelle holiday #cheshire cat #deltarune mike

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khaliarart · 12 days ago

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Theory time. Why do Tenna and Spamton recite different jingles, when all this time they have been flawlessly quoting each other? I think neither Spamton nor Tenna are citing the juice line in full.

The original probably used to be:

Fresh from the Juice, Turn up the Juice! Make sure you don‘t get it on your shoese!

Spamton’s part may be second because he uses "!" to end the phrase twice, while Tenna ends his with a "," first before the repetition. In the original, both would have said the last part together.

Neither of them dare to say the part that belongs to the other, instead repeating their own to match the rhythm of the jingle (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

#spamtenna #deltarune #deltarune chapter 3 #deltarune spoilers #deltarune tenna #deltarune spamton #spamton g spamton #deltarune theory #yaoi divorce. again.

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brixbraxium · 6 days ago

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I think the funniest thing about the Mike room is the fact that literally everything the Green Pippins says is true. Like, haha, yeah! look at all the silly parodies of the fan theories! Isn't it crazy how we all made such a big deal out of Mike when he wasn't really that important? Except... Who is he, actually? It's still unexplained. And the Mike room even gives us new pieces of evidence that make the whole thing even weirder. Like, Tenna's known mike "Since TV World":

Which presumably, judging by this vague shuttah dialog implying a massive shift in the landscape:

Means "Ever since Tenna was bought and installed in the Dreemurr Residence", right? But that'd be... well before Tenna met Spamton, since he only met Spamton after Kris and Noelle brought the laptop home:

So unless this happened literally like immediately after the TV was purchased, it seems that Mike isn't, for instance, a Spamton thing Tenna is trying to emulate. But it also can't really be the other way around, because Tenna clearly doesn't know anything about Mike? He gets fooled by three entirely different impostors, and gets pissed if Mike isn't there in his room. Which seems really weird if Tenna is actually in the know. None of the people in TV World have ever seen Mike. AND YET!!!! Spamton is VERY insistent that he knows something they don't;

And this answer is EXTREMELY WEIRD when you think about it, because, while right now it kinda seems like this was foreshadowing for the Mike Room... That doesn't really make sense? In September 2024, CHAPTER 4's main content was completed:

And yet, Pluey- which we now know is related to the Mike Room- wasn't implemented yet.

Pluey only got added in February!!!! The Mike Room content was seemingly quite last minute. And we can be fairly certain that he isn't saying that they still need to implement Pluey for Console versions, because he really made it seem like the only reason the Bonus Room was added was because of the Switch 2:

All together, what that means is... For some reason, even way back in the days of the original Sweepstakes, it was already known to Toby Fox that Tenna's Crew has no clue who Mike is, but Spamton does, even though this information wasn't originally intended to be actually shown to us???

Which makes the Mike stuff even WEIRDER!!! WHO IS HE!? WHY HAS NOBODY EVER SEEN HIM? WHY DOES SPAMTON KNOW WHO HE IS? WHY IS TENNA SO EASILY FOOLED??

WE KNOW THAT HE MUST. EXIST??

IT SEEMS THAT HE IS ACTUALLY OUT THERE DOING STUFF? 'IT JUST SORTA HAPPENS' !?

IS MIKE, LIKE, A SHAPESHIFTER OR SOMETHING!?!?! IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!!!

But Lo, on Hopes and Dreams they send. Potential for Relevance appears at CH5'S END.

This TV... Surely this TV is relevant to something, it's right there in Flower King, and it isn't really the setup for any jokes or anything. It's just... sitting there. Waiting. My current conspiracy? Mike is relevant to Chapter 5. And, much like King and Queen kind of have a shared history, and Tenna has a history with Queen, Mike (Potentially this TV????) has relevance to Tenna. But the community got way too attached to the idea of Mike in the Ch2 days. That's why Toby needed to clarify via the Sweepstakes that Mike and Tenna were different- because Mike was important. And the reason the Mike room exists is because he was already making bonus content, and figured that he might as well use the opportunity to politely tell us all of our theories were wrong, while also calming us down a bit by making us think that Mike is less relevant than we thought, while also prodding the mystery a little deeper. People will tell me it's cope, that Mike was nothing. But I say all of this as someone who genuinely thought that Mike was Nothing in the Ch2 days. The information we have literally just doesn't make sense. The Pippins' rant is funny, but, it's also entirely true- every single point he makes is accurate, and I don't think that's a mistake. Mike for Chapter 5..?! Trust..

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