#song talk

[bonefall]

what do you of "the man who sold the world" for fallenleaf? friend is getting me into nirvana and i cant do anything without thinking of the Beasts

Hmm... honestly? I think it fits other characters much better!

Man Who Sold The World always reads to me as like... a dangerous character, could be a demon, could be an evil parent, could be a more literal villain in some kind of story, who has unambiguously gotten its ass kicked and banished. In its defeat, it realizes that it can turn it around; by trying to convince one of their Victims to join them.

And succeeding.

(and it's why Nirvana's version is my favorite, Cobain's voice is just the right amount of hoarse that makes me feel like the Victim Character has lost a lot of sleep over it. Vulnerable and open to the offer of the Villain, possibly on the brink of desperation in their own life. It has that sort of angsty-young-adult madness that makes choosing bad decisions sooo much easier. Bowie's and Ure's versions are also fantastic, but imo they're a lot more dreamlike, like the victim is being more entranced than convinced!)

The song isn't about breaking out of that cycle. It's about "laughing and shaking his hand," returning home almost unaware of any change. But over many years, in tiny little ways that add up into even bigger ones, slowly the Victim becomes another man who sold the world.

They doesn't even realize when they died alone along their quest, just that it must have been long, long ago.

Some of that fits Fallenleaf, but it's not quite the same vibe. She killed Ashfur in revenge. She sought out Sol and took his deal for power, and tried to kill her own brother. She subjugated an entire Ancient Lake society-- and the only thing she can really blame Sol for is how it got bored of her and kicked her out of her own body.

Those were things she did. And they're things she lives with. Trickery was less a part of it than she might have wanted to believe at some point in her long, guilty life.

NATURALLY I'm inspired by Cheecat's really great animation they made with Brambleclaw and Tigerstar, and I think it fits Tigerstar to a T, but who I always think of is Hawkfrost.

Especially in BB, where RiverClan raised him to lean into his legacy. Not Clanborn, from a young age he had to work twice as hard, prove that he and his sister were "worth" keeping around, told that they were only protected by that diluted Tigerkin blood that trickles through their veins and that Tigerstar was an ideal to live up to...

Only the thinnest veneers of, "Be what he was, without his flaws" to hold him back from fully adopting everything his father ever stood for. A father he never met, who hurt his mother, who killed and traumatized countless clanmates.

And then Hawkfrost sees him. The song kicks in. "I thought you died alone, a long long time ago."

"Not me. I never lost control." It means that those "flaws," they weren't so bad. "You're face to face with the man who sold the world" and I can teach you the value of that.

He leaves that exchange feeling warm. "I laughed and shook his hand." He goes through the destruction of the forest (looking for form), the great journey (and land), and eventually finds himself in all the conflicts of TNP. No one knows at what point he stopped being the noble young warrior who stood up for Reedpaw against his tormenters, or when wanting to protect his sister became abuse and belittling.

But at some point, he died alone, long before his heart stopped beating on that stake.

He ends up in the Dark Forest with his father, preparing for the change that's coming in OotS, but not by the end of the song. At the end of the song his father has successfully dragged him down to his level, singing the same tune, trying to pretend that his dad getting him pointlessly shish-kebabed for a petty personal dispute wasn't a critical L to the chest.

[alex-supremacy4]

my dumbass skipping and twirling around to couture by epsyle and shooterhouse suite by renard.. idk why but it jusr hits diff

[vampurger]

You know what YOU SHOULD DO

LISTEN TO THE VANTIAS NO CARTE SOUND TRACK ITS SO GOOD

my favs are le chasseur and romantic battle bangers fr

[ahhhhhhhh3613]

Ya' know that one post about songs you'd listen to stumbling through a blizzard bleeding to death?

You ever listen to a song and image a complex and edgy animation that's a not at all subtle allegory for substance abuse?

[kiryuing]

[drumlincountry]

I was at a Palestinian solidarity gig last night & the one Palestinian artist who was going to perform had COVID so the organisers asked around to see if there were any Palestinians who'd like to say a few words instead.

A local guy who was born & raised in Gaza offered to speak. He started with "I'm an engineer. i'm not a poet or a politician. I don't... do public speaking… I had no idea what to say when I came up here. So i'm just going to tell you about the street I grew up on."

And then he did! He went down the street building by building. He told us about the ice cream shop on the corner, the grocery shop, the charity that supports people with intellectual disabilities. He told us about the people who he knew growing up, the families who still live in the different houses. He told us about the university buildings and about his friends who quit being accountants to start a band together. All on that street.

All of which is gone now, by the way. Bombed to dust.

[batcavescolony]

THE TIKTOK PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY MADE GONCHAROV!!!!!

[officialspec]

can i say something. for years i thought the joke of the song short skirt/long jacket by cake was that he wanted a woman who was hung like a horse. like i thought when he says jacket it was a last-second fakeout because he very obviously meant to say cock. and the rest of the things in the song were just her personality and interests. which were secondary to her awesome penis

[oof-i-did-it-agaaiiin]

Beautiful from Ordinary Days

[365filmsbyauroranocte]

Past Lives (Celine Song, 2023)

[bonefall]

"Edward" by American murder songs for Batear and Houndstar, specifically her immediately knowing it was him who did the murder and trying to get him to say where the body is. It almost sounds like the stars themselves bearring down on him to get him to admit it in the end

It's sorta funny to see the typical "secret murder in forest" thing that happens a lot in warriors, but the leader immediately knows who did it

Oh shoot your brain

Context: Batear's Murder, Houndstar's Summary

Tell not thorn nor lie Speak to me o murder child Trouble's in your eye Speak to me o murder child You bite the hand that feeds and crow So count here naked in the snow Tell not thorn nor lie Speak to me o murder child

-Houndstar

After the spring you shall find him After the snow leaves the hill After the spring you shall find him 'Til then there's no grave to fill

-Batear, in his exile, still ghoulishly proud of himself knowing that they cannot even find Palefoot until the spring thaw makes the bog's peat soft and malleable again... and they'll never learn where to look, anyway.

Yeah that's a fantastic song for them

[steelsuit]

Hello, MrRadio 🎶

[hdfjsjkj]

i was talking with a friend a couple days ago about love songs and i can't stop thinking about this

[vampurger]

the soul eater intro is such a banger help me

this shit fr scratching my brain

[ddruxyart]

Domestic bliss I know how bad you wanted it (x)

[everyonewooeverywhere]

“oh the hoes are gonna love this”