#so like 18/20 in ATSV

[lildoodlenoodle]

Just connected the dots that, based on what that ATSV director said and my own theories, noir and Hobie could be the same fucking age. The plot and potential dynamic thickens….

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

What makes you know hobie is 18 or above? And not the in the same age range as miles and gwen

Honestly, great question. And the answer is:

I Don't Know Jack Shit. So jot that down.

Additionally, anyone telling you they DO know Jack Shit is a liar. Jot that down too.

[I may go a little Miguel Mode at the end of you know what I mean]

I personally operate under the headcanon that Hobie is over 18.

Why? He says he goes to pubs. You need to be over 18 to do that. The End.

You can headcanon that he has a fake id or simply finds himself in pubs while underage - and that's completely valid. Go ahead. You can headcanon he has a mfing tail. I can't stop you and we haven't seen his ass so maybe he do, who knows.

But my headcanon is just that. And to me - until Hobie's age is clearly displayed and mentioned on screen, then it'll always be a headcanon.

No matter what age you headcanon him as - if you think you KNOW his age, you're probably wrong. And I mean that.

The ATSV describes him as a 'slightly older boy'. Case closed, right? He's a minor then.

Nah, three lines later they say he's MUCH older than Miles....literally contradicting themselves within the same paragraph.

[And the funny thing is - I've seen the artbook used as evidence in the argument multiple times. Even though it literally contradicts itself. And every single time I'm like 'bruh did you even read the full page come on now'.]

Case in point, if you think you KNOW Hobie's age when 1) it's not stated on screen and 2) even the official external material gives conflicting information - you're just wrong. You can't know a theoretical number. And you can't be wrong about a theoretical number.

It's Schrodinger's age.

Example: A character is shown to be in High School. They live in New Jersey where the driving age is 16. If a fanfic writer has the character say "I can't do that, I can't drive yet.", is the fanfic writer canonically wrong? No. Because the character could reasonably be above OR below the driving age, either 14-18. Even if the director mentions the character having a sweet-16 that is never mentioned in the show, it's not screen-canon and the average viewer will not know the character is definitely over 16. Therefore they can reasonable be 15.

"But the director said-"

Don't care. Not weighted canon unless stated on-screen.

Maybe this is a controversial opinion. But if it's not on screen, I can't say it's canon.

Sure, the director may have said in an outside interview that Hobie's conceptually 19-20 -

But a normal person who goes to see the movie, and comes home to write fanfiction isn't going to know what.

They shouldn't have to dig through all conceptual and external content of a specific character in order to be deemed 'acceptable' and knowledgeable enough to write about them.

A person who watches the movie and writes solely based off of what the movie says about Hobie shouldn't be harassed or told they're wrong because they didn't listen to a podcast of a director who's name they don't even know.

There's no pass that says 'Okay you've done enough research about Hobie to write about him, congrats-'

If it's not in the movie, show, book, etc - a fan should not be required to seek out that information to be caught up to speed. External information is supplemental, not a part of the hole.

Also-

If it's not in the movie - It DOESN'T MATTER.

ATSV is a very well written movie. Every line is used for the purpose of telling the story. Especially Hobie's.

They didn't tell us Hobie's age because it didn't matter to the story. And it shouldn't matter to you.

If the writers didn't care enough to take time out to clarify his age, then it makes no sense to spend take arguing about it.

They obviously don't find it important. Because it isn't. It doesn't matter to the story at all.

Hobie's age doesn't matter to the 'love triangle'. Although the film is narrated by Gwen, we largely see it from Miles' point of view. And the 'love triangle' only exists when Mile has no concept of who Hobie is.

Miles doesn't know Hobie. So him questioning a love triangle happens regardless of whether Hobie is an adult or not. Miles doesn't know, neither do we.

The 'Hobie' in the 'love triangle' is an empty-shell of the mystery of who Hobie COULD be. The moment Hobie takes off the mask and we're revealed to the real him - the illusion of who he could've been is shattered for both us and Miles.

Because his age isn't stated, it has no bearing on Miles' perception of him. Miles don't know shit. Neither do we.

Also you people should be fucking grateful GODDAMN WTF

If you deadass beef about this you one ungrateful mfer i swear. Take offense. All offense.

We have a black, attractive, educated, useful, respected character in an animated movie that's available for ANY SHIP with ANY character and what do you people do??? - you argue.

Why? Explain to me why.

You should be happy it's up to interpretation and not definitely stated that you were wrong. At any time the creators could just put it in the next movie and make you look stupid.

You could be out there enjoying any ship of your choosing; with any character you enjoy him with - regardless of age. But no, instead of enjoying the ship that's available to you, you antagonize others.

Sit there and eat your mfing salad you INGRATE

Be grateful we have a character with such free range of shipping. A character that's un-aged and doesn't have a specific gender preference. BE THANKFUL.

You like Gwen x Hobie. Great. You argue with people and harass people who think Hobie's an adult??? - What if Hobie deadass looked in the camera next movie and said "I'm 19 also I'm gay." You'd look dumb as hell.

But they didn't do that. They left it unstated for you to go and enjoy your Hobie x Gwen or Hobie x Miguel or Hobie x whoever the hell.

I'm thankful everyday they didn't say his age because I don't make OCs that go to high school because I'm 24 and hate high school. And guess what, I can do that.

Him and Diane can just hang out on the houseboat all day cause they're grown ass adults with no place to be. Isn't that swell?

Stop playing with me and enjoy the goddamn shipping buffet. Christ almighty

All in all - I don't know shit. You don't know shit. And it's okay to not know shit.

NO UM-AKSCHULLY

Get comfortable with saying "I'm not the authority on this." or better yet "I don't know shit about nothing."

I love him to death, but I am not the authority on Hobie Brown.

For me - I know he said he goes to pubs and I know I wanted to ship him with Diane. Personality wise, Diane is 19. So Hobie is 19.

But I don't know anything about his age. No one does.

I'm just cute and like to share headcanons. Hobie Brown as of right now doesn't have an age. And that's fine. Cause he ain't real.

If you made it this far ummmmmm Here he is. I'm giving you this photo under the condition that you'll act right and enjoy him in a ship of your choosing if you'd like to do that.

Now lets sit here, and eat this ship salad.

[me making sure ur enjoying ur shipping salad]

Bye.

[voxlvr420]

why do people think pavitr is 13????? (a bit of a rant including other things)

that man has a girlfriend (canonically) which means he's old enough to date, has defined muscles, a deep voice, goes to highschool, etc

what i mean by "old enough to date" is like... come one. when you're 13, relationships don't last forever. 15-18 is your prime.

i really don't get how people see him as 13-14. my man is NOT a middle schooler bffr 💀 his voice would be SO MUCH HIGHER if he was 13

"but the artbook said-" that was a CONCEPT. A CONCEPT. SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT PAST BRAINSTORMING. he is 100% 15-16, and i will die on that hill

same goes for hobie. y'all, would you be so kind to explain how a 19-20 year old would be friends with a bunch of highschoolers? it makes no sense when the three others are 15-16 and suddenly hobie is 19?? wouldnt he be too old for the other arachkids or something...

sure, his age range says "16-19" but that doesn't immediately mean that he's 19 now, guys. its an age range for a reason.

about him saying he goes to the pub: hey guys guess what? underage drinking if he can fool you he can fool other people. also... he's literally spider-punk. you expect SPIDER-PUNK to abide by the legal drinking age 💀

im gonna guess he has that boat illegally aswell. now, some people have also made really good posts on this too, so if you want to check those out, im pretty sure searching up "hobie's age" will give you some good ones.

edit: one more point to make here. some black people in the ATSV community are actually pretty upset and offended at people adultifying hobie, same goes for making pavitr 13. just overall, don't believe these things and use common sense please.

tldr; im pissed off at people saying pav is 13 and hobie is 19-20 when they arent imo

[punkeropercyjackson]

Spiderpunks 2023

It's mega crossover fusion of Hobie leading a team of Spiderpunk Variants,my choices for the mantle giving based on their similarities to Hobie himself.This au was created with the purpose of Hobie appreciation outside of shipping!!

The other Spiderpunks are all black,either mixed or monoracial,regardless of canonicity but i did include mostly canon black characters!

The lineup:Hobart 'Hobie' Brown(Spiderpunk),Perseo 'Percy' Jackson(Punkero),Katara 'Don't call me Kat' Aipaluk(Seapunk),Stephanie 'Steph' Brown(Punkweaver),Ichigo Kurosaki(Punk Reaper),Marceline and Marshall Lee Abadeer(Spiderblud and Bludspider),Kat 'Don't call me Kit Kat' Elliot(Hellpunk),Katniss Everdeen(Punk 13),Sonic The Hedgehog(Chaos + Yes really,he's their Spiderham equivalent),Ekko Williams(Solpunk),Kipo Oak(Bitepunk),Nimona Boldheart(Arachna)and Rainbow Dash(Punkboom + Again yeah not joking,i love doing these)

Percy and the Abadeer Twins are 22,Katara and Nimona are 14,Stephanie and Ichigo are 19,Kat is 13,Sonic is 15,Ekko is 23,Kipo is 18 and Rainbow Dash is 20.Hobie's age is ambigious because I'm Tired Of The Discourse Around It So Let's Just Not

Spiderpunks is their shared mantle and also team name

It's Atsv!Hobie,not comics Hobie,based and functions as per the title as a 2023 starting sequel run to Atsv and is going to be a semi-long runner(above average comics team run length but not by a ridicilous amount)

They're completely seperate from Spider Society in affiliation,either completely or by the time of Issue 1 depending on the Spiderpunk in question

Percy is the Team Parent since he is in his books and the kids view him are as their big sibling figure and pseudo-parent and the other adults and him are found siblings except him and Stephanie who're just regular besties.There's no interteam ships except Kat x Nimona,which is instant best friends to lovers

The other ships are Percy/Lex(my s/i and her Gwen Stacy),Katara/Aang,Stephanie/Cass,Ichigo/Orihime,Marceline/Bonnibel and Marshall Lee/Gary,Katniss/Peeta,Ekko/Miel(another s/i of mine)and Rainbow Dash/Fluttershy

The whole team is trans and audhd along with being black-Percy is transfem bigender though,jic her any pronouns swag causes any confusion

Their theme song is Snickers or Reese's by Direct Hit!

Their meet up place is Sonic's Speed Cafe on Earth ♾️(emoji for accuracy)and it was created for him as a thanks for his good deeds and anarchistic actions in his civillian persona

Hobie and Stephanie joke about being siblings because of they're both jamaican and last named 'Brown'

Ekko and Percy bond over being afrosolarpunk specifically

And Hobie,Percy and Katara are the 'Unrestrained Seas' trio

Hobie,Percy,Katara,Ichigo and Stephanie are something of a Core Five because they were the first members of Spiderpunks and were around just them for a bit before the rest came along

Sonic and Rainbow Dash have matching star shaped goggles Percy made for them inspo'd by a certain bluehaired punk tgirl from an in-universe series she's a fan

Kipo bites as affection out of Mute genes and autism(therian vibes)and that's how she earned her nickname and Nimona also does because she's not a girl,she's a shark.I do this so nonblacks don't be stupid

The Abadeer Twins provide the most spontaneous music but they all get in on it.None to their level though

Katniss took the longest to warm up to everybody,only out of pure loneliness beforehand,not even having met Peeta yet at her debut

Wendell and Wild are honorary members in the same way Spidermutt and Mrs.O'Leary are

Percy has his blue laces like Hobie does.......And not for the aesthetic.Rest in Piss Poseidon Waters

Also Stephanie has pink laces and that IS for the aesthetic <3 Pastel afropunk feminist queen!!!

Instead of Watches,they have Badges provided by Rukia,Ichigo's Guy In The Chair and decorated to their tastes assigned by his ramblings of them by Orihime,his Gwen Stacy and MJ fusion

Katara's Canon Event is being punk /srs.Ffr just look at her in Atla itself,she was a 14 year old eco-terrorist and revolutionary who ended up marrying the guy who literally invented decolonization in their verse.Kataang is punk4punk excellence

Hobie is everybody's favorite and gets special treatment because he deserves and has earned it after what a brutal ass adultifying childhood with no friends he went through

Ekko plays a mean kalimba and can cook real good so he's assigned the Chill Dude™️ and chef of the Spiderpunks

They try to help out Kat and Nimona get together but subtly as to not make them feel forced to be together(Hobie loves teasing them though <333)

Lex de los Santos is an Anomaly as Earth 27's,Percy's dimension,Ghostspider but thankfully survives like our Gwen and Miel Williams is an MJ who's happily married to Ekko for a year now

They share and steal eachother's clothes and sleep in the same gigantic ass homemade bed when they can in their base:The Anarchy Web,a futuristic organic huge house they accidentally created in a spidey pocket dimension

@theautisticcentre

[fifteenth-entity]

ABT CHAIPUNK/PUNKFLOWER AND SHIPS LIKE THAT

MAJOR EDIT SINCE THIS DEBATE IS NOW ROCKETING THE OTHER DIRECTION AND THAT’S NOT GOOD EITHER

I HEADCANON PAVITR AND HOBIE AS ADULTS. IF THAT MAKES YOU UNCOMFORTABLE, GO AHEAD AND BLOCK OR IGNORE ME, I DON’T MIND (NOT THAT MY OPINION MATTERS HERE). JUST MAKE SURE WHATEVER CONTENT YOU CONSUME MAKES YOU COMFORTABLE.

I’m aware that, especially on tumblr, a lot of these fans are on the younger side. It’s honestly so nice to see tumblr youngins be as mature as need be in these situations, with fact-checking and everything. However, I feel the need to remind y’all that since Hobie’s age is up for interpretation, that means that people are gonna HC him as adults. WHICH IS FINE, BTW. A lot of us HC Hobie and other characters as adults from experience, seeing as we’ve met many people on the older side who act more like Pav and Hobie than Gwen and Miles. Please don’t harass anyone who sees Hobie as an adult regardless of what has been confirmed or not.

THIS IS ALL TO SAY: THE POST CIRCULATING ABOUT HOBIE’S AGE WAS VERY MISLEADING. NOTHING IS CANON ABOUT HIS AGE IN ATSV, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT HIS DESIGN CHOICES WERE TAKEN AFTER 19/20 YR OLDS AND THAT’S IT. DON’T GATEKEEP HEADCANONS, AND BLOCK ANY WEIRDOS WHO SHIP ADULT CHARACTERS WITH CHARACTERS MORE THAN 2 YEARS YOUNGER THAN THEM. (OR MINOR CHARACTERS WITH CHARACTERS 2 YEARS OLDER THAN THEM)

Original post under the cut

i just gotta get this off my chest/mind and put it out into the world

yeah, a director “confirmed” hobie’s age to be 19-20 yrs old

but this movie is all about “fuck canon” LMAOOO

SO WHO CARES how old he is? I personally see him as a 19 yr old, and i see pavitr as 18 and in his last grade of highschool, which is why i ship them to begin with

I UNDERSTAND punkflower shippers who see hobie as underage, that’s totally fine! we’re already fucking up “canon” which, lets be fr, for “underground” spidermen isnt really sturdy canon now is it

AS LONG AS THE SHIPPER MAKES THE SHIP LEGAL AND NOT PROSHIP, i believe “ship away”! JUST DONT IMPOSE YOUR SHIPS ON OTHER PEOPLE and have fun!!

that’s it, that’s all, this debate is gonna get headachy very fast

[gatsby-system-folks]

Hi besties

I didn't feel like deleting this commission post. Thankfully, the friend who I opened commissions to help has stable housing now. I'm not saying commissions closed, I'm just busy lol.

Illustration:

Some examples of my work

I'll also do relatively short comics. This is a snippet from my webcomic. A sketch is $10, colored sketch is $15, lineart is $10, colored lineart is $15. Shading or lighting on anything will add $10. I'm not separating character art and landscape art, both have the same rate, but something with more than 5 characters or something set in a city (or otherwise densely populated/elaborate area) will be a little more ($5 for every character above 5, and an extra $10 for an elaborate scene). Comics are the same, each page (not each panel) will be treated as a piece.

Writing:

I'll write for ocs, and from:

Homestar Runner

Rise of the tmnt

The Usagi Chronicles

Gorillaz

Good Omens

Undertale/Deltarune

Homestuck (and its affiliates, such as pesterquest or friendsim)

Venom

Moon Knight

Treasure Planet

Hellboy

Doctor Who

Our Flag Means Death

The Chronicles of Narnia

The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit

The original 6 Star Wars movies

The Spiderverse series, itsv and atsv

The Davina skit from Rab C Nesbitt. (I see yall shipping Davina with Mrs. Robinson and I love yall)

If something's not on this list, you can still ask, and if I've seen whatever the media is I'll probably write it. On the other hand, if i haven't seen all of the content for the medias listed above, I'll have to do some research so it might not be the best work (ie the only reason I'm limiting this to the first 6 star wars movies is because I haven't seen any more than that)

I'll do ships between canon characters or between ocs, I'm not comfortable doing x reader content at this point. Also.. they don't have to be ships lol I also do just. Fics.

Some examples of my work:

I'm gonna keep it simple and do $20 per thousand words, but there's not a minimum word count. That's $0.02 per word lol. When you describe the fic ill give you an estimate of how many words I can do it in, and we can adjust. If the fic goes more than 150 words over the final estimate then it's flat-rate (as in the price doesn't continue to climb)

Poetry

Any subject really. I'll add examples of my work when the website I post on is fixed. Poetry is twice the price of fic

Editing:

Keep it under 5,000 words for now. $8 per hour. I'll edit fic, essays, etc.

Worldbuilding:

If you need help figuring out a magic system, how pipes connect your city, weird biological facts about your aliens, or even just where to put the castle parking lot, I can help. Same rules of fic writing and editing: if we chat worldbuilding for an hour, it'll be $8. If you want a 500 word summary of your new worlbuilding, that'll be $10. The text of the chat of course is free, you can pause your time of course, and whatever time I spend writing the summary isn't double charged. So an hour of chatting+ a 500 word summary would be $18

What I won't work with, in any format

Heavy nsfw- light is ok

Incest, pedophilia, noncon etc

Hate, bigotry, overly political work, bullying

Torture

Glorification of not good things. Depiction does not equal glorification

Case by case: real, living people. Context below.

What I won't draw, specifically:

Gore

abuse (such as beating, verbal, emotional)

Self harm

Everything is case-by-case, if something makes me uncomfortable I'm not going to do it. You may not put my work into an ai scraper of any kind. Also I'll say it again, depiction does not equal glorification.

Context on real people: I mean if you want me to just draw a picture of Margot Robbie that's most likely fine, or write about the wacky secret society that Laura Ingals and St. Patrick were running that's probably fine, or if a real living person appears in the background that's probably fine (I see you good omens fans having Crowley and Hozier hang out at a bar), but I won't write shipping for real, currently living people, nor will i make them the mc of a story. I'd prefer not for dead people either, but that's not a hard rule. Once again, case by case.

[kastlequill]

➤ keegan p russ x f!reader (cod) - 4/5 ♺ ➤ kyle gaz garrick x f!reader (cod) - 3/5 ♺ ➤ simon ghost riley x f!reader (cod) - 0/6 ⏼ ➤ miguel o’hara x f!reader (atsv) - 1/1 ✔︎ ➤ jason todd x f!reader (dc) - 0/6 ⏼ ➤ gojo satoru x iori utahime (jjk) 1/1 ✔︎ ➤ ada wong x leon kennedy (re) - 1/5 ♺ ➤ thrawn x eli vanto (sw) - 1/1 ✔︎ ➤ xiao lanhua x dongfang qingcang (lbfad) - 1/1 ✔︎

no. 1 — “how many fingers am i holding up?” — gaz ➥ ‘til my pulse loses time: i (1.3k) ([tumblr])

no. 2 — delirium | "they don't care about you" — keegan ➥ unearth without a name: i (1.3k) ([tumblr])

no. 3 — solitary confinement | "make it stop" — keegan ➥ unearth without a name: ii (1.8k) ([tumblr])

no. 4 — shock | "you in there?" — miguel ➥ knock, knock (1.4k) ([tumblr])

no. 5 — debris | pinned down | "it's broken" — gaz ➥ ‘til my pulse loses time: ii (1.4k) ([tumblr])

no. 6 — made to watch — thranto ➥ collateral (2.5k) [x]

no. 7 — radio silence | "can you hear me?" — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: i

no. 8 — outnumbered — jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: i

no. 9 — mistaken identity — aeon ➥ haunt me, then (2k) [x]

no. 10 — “you said you’d never leave” — xlhdfqc ➥ hurts like hell (1.1k) [x]

no. 11 — captivity | "no one will find you" — keegan ➥ unearth without a name: iii (3.2k) ([tumblr])

no. 12 — insomnia — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: ii

no. 13 — infection | "i don't feel so good" — gaz ➥ ‘til my pulse loses time: iii (1.7k) ([tumblr])

no. 14 — "just hold on" — jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: ii

no. 15 — suppressed suffering | "i'm fine" —jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: iii

no. 16 — flatline — gaz ⭅ ➥ ‘til my pulse loses time: iv

no. 17 — touch aversion | "leave me alone" — jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: iv

no. 18 — tortured for information — keegan ➥ unearth without a name: iv (2.3k) ([tumblr])

no. 19 — "i'm not as stupid as you think i am" — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: iii

no. 20 — people don’t change people, time does — aeon ⭅ ➥ shrike & thorn

no. 21 — restraints | "don't move" — aeon ➥ la douleur exquise: i

no. 22 — vehicular accident — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: iv

no. 23 — shadows | stalking | "who's there?" — jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: v

no. 24 — "i thought they were with you" — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: v

no. 25 — storm — gojohime ➥ when it rains (it pours) (9.2k) [x]

no. 26 — working to exhaustion | "you look awful" — aeon ➥ à la mort

no. 27 — scars | "let me see" — jason ➥ we only yesterday were worlds apart: vi

no. 28 — sacrifice | "you'll have to go through me" — aeon ➥ la douleur exquise: ii

no. 29 — troubled past resurfacing — keegan ⭅ ➥ unearth without a name: v

no. 30 — bridal carry | "not much longer..." — gaz ➥ ‘til my pulse loses time: v

no. 31 — setbacks | "take it easy" — ghost ➥ two straight lines in a crooked world: vi

[sugarygxodness]

i know hobie age discourse is annoying and frustrating. i've been watching from the sidelines ever since atsv came out and tiktok is being absolutely insufferable about it. i've also seen the plethora of arguments from both sides about it. but i wanted to put in my two cents about hobie's age because it has been yelling for attention inside my heart and i need an outlet for it desperately.

so here is my official warning. ⚠️ if you don't want anything to do with the hobie age discourse, please ignore this post ⚠️ (i doubt anyone is going to see this post anyway)

first of all, i ship punkflower. i respect chaipunk as well, though i do not ship it. when i was watching atsv, it never occured to me that hobie would be older than the spidergang by any more than 2 years. so it boggles my mind that people left their theatre thinking hobie was any older than 19 years old??

second, as i've mentioned, i have seen the plethora of arguments coming from both sides. i have heard (incessantly) about the director talking about early concept hobie being 19/20 years old. i always always take early concepts with a grain of salt because that is what they are - early concepts. from the conception of the spiderverse trilogy, a lot of stuff can change. we know that even though early concept hobie was 19/20 years old, his age is now "up for interpretation". all of us were not in the writing room when they came up with hobie. none of us can say for sure what hobie's age is. so let's leave it at that - hobie's age is up for interpretation. i have also seen people talking about hobie being bitten at 16 years old in the comics and in the movies he says he has been spiderman for 3 years. quick maths - that makes hobie 19? well, maybe. it is also important to note that movie adaptations of comics very often leave out or change information. they do this all the time. they even did it with miles. in the comics, miles morales gets bitten at the age of 13. but in the movies, miles get bitten when he was a freshman in visions academy, 15 years old. if they changed that fact about miles from the comics to the movie adaptation, who's to say they did not do the exact same thing to hobie or any other character? using comic book canon to apply to movie canon is always iffy. across the mcu, there are many many comic details that get changed or left out for the movies. this is just something i want everyone to keep in mind.

third, this is my main point. i'm going to talk about hobie's age from a storytelling point of view. keep in mind, i am not a writer. i do not have any experience writing or making original characters. i just like overanalysing creative aspects of media that i consume and i also briefly studied literature in school. if there is anything you would like to counter about my upcoming argument or add to it, i would love to see it.

from a storytelling point of view, hobie being old than 18 years old makes absolutely NO sense. if we look at miles' conflict during atsv, his whole thing is that he feels betrayed by the adults in his life because all of them view him as this incapable clueless kid who needs to be protected. his parents, while being unaware of his identitiy as spiderman, are too protective of him and doubt everything that he does. while they eventually start to accept the idea of letting their child grow up, they only start doing so when miles is already stuck in another universe. the adults in the spider society betray miles too. miles, upon meeting more spiderpeople, probably thought that they would understand him more than his own parents could. however, the adults in spider society still look down on him and treat him like a child. this is especially evident in peter b, who constantly emphasises that miles "doesn't know any better". miles is 16 (in atsv) and while that IS technically a child, those rules don't really apply to spiderpeople. after all, though he is technically a child, he watched his uncle aaron die right in front of his eyes, he saved the multiverse, and he saves brooklyn from crime every single day. as unfortunate as it is, miles has had to grow up a lot faster than the average kid. miles views himself as an extremely capable spiderman, but it feels like nobody else agrees with him. that is miles' conflict throughout atsv.

so it makes no sense that miles feels constantly betrayed by the adults in his life, yet one of the members of the spidergang that he is surrounded with in atsv is an adult? the whole point is that he feels he cannot depend on the adults in the spider society, so therefore it makes sense that his closest allies (gwen, pav, hobie) would be teenagers. making hobie an adult completely throws this theme out of balance.

furthermore, i hear people say hobie holds a mentor role in miles' life. i disagree. peter b held a mentor role in itsv. this was when miles was newly bitten, had no idea how to use his new powers, and had just lost the only other spiderman he knew. in atsv, miles has grown very well into his role as spiderman. he developed his own spiderman techniques, learned how to use his venom shock and invisibility in an effective way, and successfully saves brooklyn from crime every day. this miles does not need a mentor. this miles feels betrayed by the people he thought he could trust. this miles needs allies. that is what hobie is to miles in atsv.

to me, the r/s between hobie and miles in atsv is very reminiscent of the r/s between a new transfer student in highschool and an upperclassman. imagine this - miles just moved to a new unfamiliar environment and is a transfer student in a highschool where he knows nobody. hobie spots him, somehow decides to help him out, and gives him the ultimate tour of the school. not the proper "this is the gymnasium, we hold our pep rallies here" tour that the student council body would give miles. nah, his tour is more like "this is the best place to smoke weed without getting caught. this bathroom is almost exclusively for hooking up. this teacher once called me out for plagiarism, so he sucks." then he pats miles on the shoulder and tells him that he's got his back. if anyone tried to give him shit, hobie will not hesitate to make their lives hell. this is how i interpret hobie and miles' r/s in atsv. he is not a mentor!!! miles is capable enough to be spiderman without a mentor!!!

lastly, this isn't exactly my place to talk about it, but i have heard a lot of black people talk about how a lot of people place harmful stereotyping and adultification on hobie. and the infuriating tendency for people to be against poc ships rather than white ships. and that is A LOT of food for thought. that's all :)

i ended up writing a lot more than i thought i would. clearly i care too much. oh well atsv brainrot era go brrr

[queer-here-and-in-fear]

atsv/itsv ask game:

1. What’s your favorite character? Why?

2. What’s your favorite ship? Why?

3. What’s your least favorite character? Why?

4. What’s your least favorite ship? Why?

5. Do you have a spidersona? If you do, what’s their lore?

6. What’s a hot take about the characters?

7. What’s a hot take about the fandom?

8. What’s your underappreciated fav?

9. What’s your favorite crackship?

10. What was your fandom before spiderverse [or just another fandom you’re in]? Was there any fandom culture shock?

11. What do you think of the atsv/itsv fandom?

12. What’s your favorite headcanon?

13. What’s a headcanon you dislike?

14. What’s your favorite platonic relationship?

15. Do you have any found family type headcanons? If so, what are they?

16. What are your favorite fic[s]?

17. If you’re a fic author, what have you written?

18. If you’re a fic author, what’s a little bit of writing from a wip or just a fic idea you have?

19. What’s a theory you have?

20. What’s a theory you think is dumb?

21. Is there anything about the movie you don’t like? If so, what is it and how would you change it?

22. Are there any canon spiderpeople who you think should have had a bigger role?

23. Did you get into the fandom with itsv or atsv?

24. If you have fandom wisdom, what do you think newbies in the fandom need to know?

25. What do you want to happen next movie?

26. Give your favorite character[s] theme songs!

27. Give your favorite character[s] a flower!

28. Give your favorite character[s] a favorite animal!

bonus: if you reblog send an ask to the person you reblogged from!! (not required but appreciated)

[skysunshin3s]

Have you ever met a 16 year old? That's the exact age where people can look either 12 or 25 depending on where in their growth they are. I was the latter at that age, and in fact being extremely underweight like Hobie directly contributed to me looking much older than I was. Also, if you wanna talk about illegal, assuming Black teenagers who are tall must be adults is racist and directly contributes to them being harassed and killed by cops. Hope that helps ❤️🖕

First of all, I'm literally black 💀

Second of all, there is proof Hobie is over 18

In his introduction he states that he has been Spiderman for 3 years. Most Spider people get bit around age 16 (Hobie was bit at 16 in the comics). If he was 16 when bit that would make him 19 now (16+3=19). He also refers to Miles as a "young'un" which is slang for a young child. Tf would he refer to a 15 year old as a young child if he was 16? He also canonically goes to the pub with his friends. You have to be 18 in the UK to purchase alcohol and even enter a pub. The only way you could enter a pub as a minor is to go with a parent. Don't use the "oh well he's a punk so he wouldn't listen to those rules" because I highly doubt they would promote underage drinking in a kids movie. Atsv director Kemp Powers also stated that Hobie was "19/20" in an interview. In the atsv art book it states "Miles is quite jealous of this guy, but he also wants to be more like him because he's much older and more uninhibited in ways that Miles can only be in his imagination!". This quote about Hobie states that he is "much older" than Miles (a 15 year old). Why would they say that Hobie was much older than Miles if he was only 16? (Which would only separate them by a year).

In conclusion, Hobie is over 18.

Hope that helps ❤🖕

[lildoodlenoodle]

Why I think Spider noir is on the younger side(18-20) in the new spiderverse movie per my previous post:

Let’s break it down by Context, Timeline, Mood, and ATSV

Context:

Spider noir has two comic runs that happen before COMICS spiderverse. With that said, there were like inter dimensional energy vampires and that’s obviously not the direction the spiderverse movies went with. So we’re going to largely disregard them for this. To expand, there was a big time jump between that last noir comic and the spiderverse ones. Peter would be closer to mid/late 20s at the start of the comics spiderverse and therefore ITSV if we were to integrate and replace the timelines, BUT I always hated the way they did that time jump in the comics and what it did to Peter’s character.

It felt like they were trying to tie him into 616 Peter wayyyy too much by making his love interest MJ(who we rlly haven’t seen and what we have seen hasn’t had good chemistry), have a good relationship with May(they rlly brushed him shooting someone in front of her and calling him an animal under the rug Huh), and going to college(I get it I do, but unlike most universes I don’t think this Peter could ever stop spiderman enough). There wasn't really any mention of Felicia, Urich, or Robby and their past. They also changed his webbing, his look, and his spider senses.

I felt like that was completely getting rid of all of Peter's characterization and he just becomes the spider with a gun from the 1930s. But the point is they clearly went in a very different artistic and narrative direction after the time jump to a point where it doesn’t feel like the same character.

Refitting the timeline:

So, scrapping the comics spiderverse timeline, I don’t really see a reason for a disjointed time jump. And after those first two comic runs it can be argued, for this Peter, that ITSV happens much sooner for him after that second run, possibly even after the first comic. Then ATSV would happen after that second run. There is an 8mo. time jump between the two runs so it is definitely feasible.

But let’s talk about mood between the runs.

We all know at least somewhat this Peter's origin, and if you don’t, to sum it up: organized crime, monsters, socialism, cannibalism.

The first run ends, Peter beats the goblin without killing him and he’s feeling pretty good about himself/confident. But he’s still got a lot of well deserved angst and self hatred. His uncle is dead, his new mentor/father figure is dead, his relationship with May is on the rocks to say the least, and there’s the whole Felicia thing. He’s still a high schooler and in that teen range, but a big ass lanky teenager who's only solid looking because of the gear he wears. I’d place him around 16-18, a case could be made for 15 but I’m going to politely disagree. ITSV could very easily be fairly soon after these events.

It’s 8 months after the first run. He becomes cocky and overconfident this whole next issue, possibly because of an interdimensionally inflated ego? Point is he feels on top of his game. Also worth mentioning, he’s ignoring MJ this whole issue to the point the audience knows basically nothing about her while he is having a very intense relationship with Felicia(which we already know how I feel about that whole mess) and who MJ is very blatantly and very badly a foil to.(I love MJ she is just not well written here).

The second run ends, his best friend/possible love interest(I said what I said), Robbie, is dead and unavenged.(I can talk a lot more about Robbie and what effect he had and will have on Peter going forward, also the disservice of his ‘death’) Felicia is disfigured and blames Peter. Peter not only blames himself for all this but the comic ends with him saying he feels powerless and a constant sense of impending doom. He really did not get a single win during this comic, man got the shit beaten out of him too. The age at the end of this comic is 17-19. After the last comic dude was messed up but still had hope, after this one we don’t see the fall out, but I can assure it was BAD. That whole ‘you don’t have to kill the bad guy thing’ is probably out the fucking window. I’m more hesitant to think ITSV happened after this run because of that. He isn’t just depressed or self loathing anymore, he isn’t just playing fast and loose with his life to get results. He does not care, he has no hope, and he doesn’t see a good future.

Pre - ATSV predictions with mild spoilers:

With the year and a couple of months time jump for ATSV it’s very plausible that the events of that last run plus possible spider task force shenanigans could happen before the movie. For more context in the comics spider noir was a recurring spider in the ‘elite strike force’. Personally, if he was invited, I could very much see him accepting, especially with his current mental state, and being very aggressive about it. Which, theoretically, could cause him to get kicked off or make a rash decision to leave bc fuck those guys. But the point is at the end of that last comic this man really doesn’t have a single win, he is in a prime state to be manipulated in.

Edit: my dumbass forgot literally the most important detail. The year 1933 is when ITSV noir comes from which matches this timeline with the comics as well.

To sum everything up, the reason why I think spider noirs age is in the 18/20 range is because it fits the above timeline, which I believe to be the most probable timeline of events that are canon by the movies while also staying consistent with at least some of the original comics. It should be further noted there is no evidence of his age throughout the ITSV movie, besides him being played by Nicholas Cage and being tall. In fact, I’d argue due to his excessive use of slang it would naturally place him in a younger category as well as the classic melodramaticness that can come with being a coping teenager. The most important thing that makes his age and at what point in his storyline he’s in up to interpretation is the fact that we see his face once and it’s heavily shadowed. If we saw his face more I’d feel better about giving him a more solid age, but till then context clues for the win. But anyways, this was long and I still have more I could get into/say and I will eventually. Feel free to ask any questions or even tell me why you disagree!

[kairiscorner]

hello my babes 〜(꒪꒳꒪)〜 since we've hit 1k already, imma treat y'all to a little idea list i cooked up a few days ago !! y'all can request any of these prompts with any characters in atsv or jjk (i'll update y'all once i'm okay with doing other characters from other fandoms !!)

to not flood my inbox, please reply to this post with the prompt of your choice and the characters you want me to write for! please indicate if you want it to be in an au for some of these or if there are other conditions for the story/characters!

i'll only be doing the first 10 prompts, i won't be redoing prompts once written so please check the previous replies before you send in your request. thank you guys again for 1k, i love you all platonically 🫂💜💖

here are my guidelines;

i'll do drabbles, blurbs, oneshots and headcanons for each prompt

drabbles, blurbs, and oneshots will only be for one character.

headcanons can be for three characters only.

please be patient with your requests for these prompts!!

1K FOLLOWERS EVENT PROMPTS:

1.) meeting them at the park

2.) both of you are college professors

3.) they're your favorite barista

4.) they're in a band and you're their manager

5.) you're both big nerds

6.) running into them at an art gallery

7.) they're stealing shots of you

8.) you're doing their makeup

9.) karaoke night with them

10.) them teaching you how to swim

11.) saving them from drowning

12.) drunk confessions from them

13.) them treating you while you're sick

14.) you treating them while you're sick

15.) them helping you study for exams

16.) your name slips out all the time from their mouths

17.) their kid loves you

18.) watching you kick ass and they fall in love with you

19.) knowing you're the one for them at first sight

20.) them footing the bill for you

21.) them trying out childhood snacks with you

22.) making friendship bracelets with you

23.) writing poems with you

24.) stargazing with you

25.) birdwatching with you

26.) picking and planting flowers with you

27.) cooking with you

28.) painting with you

29.) you teach them how to dance

30.) you make their comfort foods when they're stressed out

31.) they bring a cat home with you

32.) they bring a dog home with you

33.) you two start singing a song that comes on the radio in the car

34.) meeting your parents

35.) they're a salesperson at a bookstore

36.) they're a librarian at a library

37.) they're your photographer

38.) you take them clothes shopping with you

39.) you play with barbies with them

40.) you play with legos with them

41.) you teach them how to play an instrument

42.) getting competitive at air hockey

43.) playing DDR with them

44.) sharing some of your favorite candies with them

45.) they get a balloon for you

46.) they set their photo of you with them as their lockscreen

47.) your birthday/anniversary with them is their password

48.) you catch them smiling at you

49.) their reaction to you wearing their clothes

50.) them singing your song together

51.) measuring hand trick to hold their hand

52.) them playing crane games to get you the prize you really want

53.) going on carousels with you

54.) riding horses with you

55.) they're always first at liking and commenting the selfies you post

56.) cuddling with them in silence

57.) they try to bake for you

58.) you two bake together

59.) you calming down their nerves

60.) your kid wearing a makeshift costume that's like theirs

61.) playing twister with them

62.) they get in an awkward position as they reach for something on the shelf

63.) them always finding your stuff for you

64.) them tying your shoes for you

65.) you tying their necktie

66.) they get jealous when they see you dancing with someone else

67.) going out on late night snack trips with them

68.) them walking out of a room after you, covered in lipstick marks from you

69.) them getting all mopey they lost the gift you made them

70.) them getting all clingy

71.) they fit your shoe back on when it comes off like cinderella

72.) you sneaking kisses from them

73.) doing the spiderman kiss with them

74.) them apologizing through flower language

75.) them shielding you from the rain

76.) you're their kid's teacher

77.) you always get them their daily fix of coffee

78.) you always bring them your homemade treats

79.) you collecting seashells with them

80.) making flower garlands with them

81.) a relaxing afternoon with them

82.) them telling you all about their favorite interest

83.) poetic ways for them to say 'i love you'

84.) watching romance movies with them

85.) holding their hand while everyone else is looking away

86.) telling them out of the blue that they're beautiful

87.) rollerblading with them

88.) you're the senior they always look up to

89.) they comfort you over something

90.) dancing with them on the table

91.) them playing with your kid

92.) indirect kissing them

93.) spoon feeding them

94.) them rushing up to hug you after a mission

95.) them grumbling their thanks after you saved their ass

96.) them holding your hand while you're driving

97.) they catch you sketching them

98.) they're your academic rival

99.) they're the rebellious kid while you're the goody two shoes

100.) how they'd propose to you (dating and marriage)

[muffimtv]

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list 3 positive things about your current fandom(s)- SO MUCH ART, incredibly silly, so much passion and love

a headcanon you weren't sure about at first but have come to like!- i genuinely cant think of one 😭

a character that fandom has helped you appreciate- applejack from mlp

say something nice about a ship you don't ship (it can be another ship in your fandom, a mutual's OTP, etc)- i’ve seen some about gerry and michael distortion- they would be SO FUNNY.

something you see in fics a lot and love- SICK FICS. IM SO WEAK FOR SICK FICS

something you see in art a lot and love- when artists put little hearts in a characters eyes <3

a blog (mutual or one you follow) that has made your fandom experience brighter- @crikey01 again ur art is incredible and you are so so fun to interact with

compliment someone else in your fandom- @friccafracc I COULD EAT YOUR ART FOREVER

the ship that always makes you smile- aziracrow my beloveds

 the character that always makes you smile- MARTIN BLACKWOOD MY BELOVED. I WOULD KILL AND DIE FOR HIM.

a tiny detail in canon that you want more people to appreciate- uhhhhhhh ummmmmm will graham’s dogs i guess?

the thing in canon that everyone loves and that you also love- THE CONSTANT BLACK/WHITE LIGHTING IN GO

a fandom tag that you track- steddie

your current fandom(s)- good omens, tma, mlp, hannibal, heathers, stranger things, ranboo, genloss, ATSV

your very first fandom!- harry potter

a fandom vou're not active in anvmore but that you still really like- fruits basket

the fandom friend you've known the longest- probably you @b33viemm

the fandom you're curious about because of a mutual- tma. beiv this is YOUR FAULT

how has fandom positively impacted your life?- it’s made me so so creative

a piece of advice for taking care of yourself in fandom spaces- block people/tags that you just don’t want to see. you curate your own experience

[findyourrp]

welcome, to my begging hour, apologies for this being a little long <3

🪐

Anyways, hiiiiii! I'm Chainsaw/Fami, 20. she/her, EST. My semester starts in like a few weeks so activity may fluctuate. I (try to) write a minimum of 500+ words which is split into like three paragraphs. Openers/beginning posts can stretch to 600-1000+ words and 5-10 paragraphs. I like to write, sue me. Reply times vary greatly, sometimes I can do once a day or once a week. I prefer a partner that isn't a stickler for reply time in general, I'm happy to wait (I've waited a month for a reply before) and I hope that extends to me. Please do not bump/nudge/poke me for a response, I will leave instantly. Bad experiences has lead to a zero tolerance thing with that.

Very open to ooc! I love chatting about headcanons, making fanart, playlists, etc, etc. I do not like shutting up! Let me babble about our ocs and ships! Age requirements for potential partners is 18+ for my own comfort.

I have writing samples on standby if needed, and I prefer if you could send some in your first message! Okay now onto the nitty gritty!! As the title says I'm looking for something Spiderverse or Overwatch, for canon/oc (I do doubling more on that below!). ATSV is now on streaming sites, makes my brain rot way worse! I just fucking love Spiderman, Miles is my fav. AND pve is out for ow, I'm eating!! I'm eating!!

Spiderverse

Characters I'm seeking: Miguel O'hara, Peter B Parker

Characters I can write: Gwen Stacy (very selective with my Gwen muse for reasons), Miles Morales, Hobie Brown, Spot (Jonathan Ohnn), Pavitr Prabhakar, Lyla, Peter B Parker, probably others if you ask nicely

Interested in writing Hobie, Lyla and Pav ngl but I'm happy to write anyone in general! I just wanna practice my muses since I write little short stories all the time.

Overwatch

Characters I'm seeking: Cole Cassidy (PLEASE), Genji Shimada, possibly looking for an Ashe or Mercy too,,,need to finish the girlies I want to pair with them tho Characters I can write: A lot, I used to write Overwatch a lot in the ow1 days. Some muses are rusty, some muses I hate writing in general! But just ask and I'll let you know <3

Open to AUs, canon divergence, etc. I prefer if we use the latter for our storylines, mostly because I think trying to make a plot around ATSV is tough. Same with Overwatch. Canon divergence is fun anyway, yeehaw. Hope to hear from you!!

.

[nicostenz]

NICO

INTRO

- Hi, I'm Atlas or Nic, Mac even.. tbh anything u like :3

- I'm a minor and an amateur writer and artist! (drawing wise)

- I use He/him pronouns though any can be fine, just not she/her

- bisexual trans ftm

- Gabriel O'Hara enthusiast

-I love kpop, marvel, (some) anime, cartoons, etc. just ask

- prolly have smt wrong w me so if ur my moot and we interact here and I start showing my true self and u feel uncomfortable, sorry T T;

SOCIALS ;

You guys might recognize me for my bangchan pfp OR my Gabriel ohara drawing.. in this case my socials are :

Tumblr and cai: nicostenz

jai: macstenz

insta: nico.stenz

twt: nico_stenz

ao3: axhty_ALT

though, I'll change my insta and twt pfps to bangchan shortly after.

OTHERS (FAQ, DOS AND WONT DOS, ETC.)

FAQ ;

- am I allowed to request?

yes! You are. as long as you keep it just PG. no 18+ shit on my page. I'm a minor and I won't show/write actual porn on my page to adults who would probably do weird stuff to it as— again— i am a minor.

- Can I request suggestive content?

yes you can. but just don't abuse this feature since again, I can't always do suggestive stuff. if it's suggestive, most likely it's on a cliffhanger.

- Hey, I'm an adult! Can I interact and follow?

Yes!! just please, don't do anything weird. I.e: Flirt with me. Pls don't :/

- can I dm you?

ofc. But just know that if you spam me about something, like a request that I'll do, please note you won't be answered.

- am I allowed to request a character from a movie or show you don't know?

This depends. If its a series and it catches my eye, I'll try making it close to canon.. and not only that I'll also try watching it if its worth.. but it's only a movie I'll actually watch if you want close to canon characters.

- can I request art?/do I need to pay for a commission?

absolutely yes! You can request art from me! just be patient because as stated, I'm a minor, so I have school. not only that I'm also in a troupe which requires me training for hours, so if you don't get even a simple sketch within a week or day, don't get mad at me! Also, no need to pay me for commissions. what I'm doing is purely for fun! that's unless I need the money, then yes. maybe I might starts but please I only accept cash (if ever) through gcash, and Filipino commissioners ONLY!!!!

- hey.. is it okay to vent?

if you're my moot then yes, it's okay, just ask before since I might not be in the mood to listen or comfort. but if you're a stranger then most likely yes...? you can dm me about it but I don't think I'd do much if you vent.

- Hey! I'm part of the LGBTQIA+ community! Will you write, fem x fem, masc x masc, gn x gn etc. stories?

absolutely! people are all welcome here and as a ftm myself, I'll mostly be m reader or gn reader! though, for fem aligned followers.. i will make content, yes, but fem aligned on my mlm/male content and gender neutral stuff, can read and interact, just do not fetishise my content.

- can I request a ship?

absolutely. go ahead! I will try to write it the best I can to canon if I don't know this ship, but what I won't write is ships from shows/movies I don't know, or illegal ships. (animal x human, child x adult, sibling x sibling)

- will you write age gaps?

yea. most likely. If the age gap is 10-20 yrs I'll still write it, as long as you mean if the reader/character is an adult and its both consenting, then yes, I will.

-will you write stuff on ao3?

in the future, maybe.

MOVING ON..

WILL DO:

character x character

character x reader

canon

fanon

ooc

angst

fluff

suggestive

haikyuu

kpop

MCU (avengers, ATSV, xmen, etc)

art

requests

age gaps

ftm/mtf/gn character

ftm/mtf/gn reader

Iffy about it.. :

Daddy/mommy kink

ships/x readers from shows/movies I don't watch

$elf H (though, if it brings u comfort in a way w ur comfort character idm... just don't expect me to actually do it.)

WONT DO:

NSFW

smut

anything bdsm in general (not yet at least)

weird kinks

anything illegal (incest, step-incest, Bestiality, racist things, noncon etc.)

HOW TO FIND ME :

you won't find me in any comment section if the post is nsfw/smut or someone has mdni in their bio.

but if you do, my anon emojis are monkeys. idk if that helps but if u stumble on a requested fic with a monkey anon that's me probably 😭

(🐒🙈🙊🐵🙉 <- using those.)

the end of my intro!!! I'll edit this shit if I missed out on anything. anyway, hope and expect to see more fanfics!! soon!! (if school's being g nice hahah)

- sincerely, bangchan lover/mac/steny/nico whatever u like.

[icewazowski]

IceWazowski’s Blog

Hi, welcome to my happy place. This blog is mainly for casual postings regarding ATSV and COD. I also post art, fanfiction and just generic content.

My blog is mainly 18+ and not directed towards minors at all.

This is the first time i’ve really used tumblr properly, so i’m always looking for more mutuals 🫶🏻 so to make it easier, here’s some things about me:

20 years old from the UK (21 in August)

I’ve been a fan of Call of Duty since 2009, pretty knowledgeable in relation to it.

I’ve been a steady fan of Spiderman ever since I was a little kid.

I like to RP with Call of Duty on my discord server, always looking for new members so PM me!!

I also really like drawing, though I’m not amazing at it whatsoever and I’m always looking for ways to improve 🫶🏻

Anyway, don’t be afraid to say hi!