#so i'm trying to not just dislike a character because they're shitty or they annoy me

[cicadagaze]

book 2 and 3 finished! :') agh.

[kalinara]

So recent posts have got me thinking about the Throuple, and how I personally feel about it. And I'll be honest. I dislike it and I love it.

I dislike it because, ultimately, there really isn't much there. A couple of suggestive panels, a house schematic, one scene of expressed attraction between the guys, one scene that seems really heavily implied that they'd intended to go to bed together (I'll post that later, it's from early X-Force and it's pretty suggestive, IMO), and a few cameos in pride issues.

If Marvel was advertising this relationship, I'd call it queer-baiting at best.

But I always kind of wonder about the background of things. And I tend to assume that the Throuple was never intended to be a thing by the suits and higher ups. I think maybe a few creative types kept slipping things under the radar.

It does mean, unfortunately, that, in terms of actual story or emotional development, it's lacking. I mean, look, biased Scott fan that I am, I would have REALLY liked to see Logan apologize for basically everything AvX onward before those two characters hopped into bed together. I'd like to see Jean get to have opinions about everything that happened while she was gone (many things that she'd now remember from her younger self's point of view), before that happened too. These are characters with a lot of history.

So in terms of execution, the Throuple is a fizzle. (Hell, even the Jean/Logan side barely got off the ground. Some bits where she kept him alive when he was trying to save Xavier through time - which she'd have done even if he were just a friend. And one sex scene in the hot springs. That really feels like a satisfying culmination of decades of yearning. If I were a Jean/Logan fan, honestly, I'd probably feel cheated.)

But you know, I do love it for other reasons. Because however shitty the execution, the IDEA is firmly planted and that idea isn't going away.

All you have to do is go on reddit or tiktok and see anytime one of those toxic masculinity fanboys starts bitching about how Logan is 100% straight "blah blah woke agenda", and you get at least three people jabbing back "yeah, except on the moon".

And that's the genius of it. Because NO one likes those particular fans. And so even people who are utterly indifferent to the idea of the Throuple. Even folks who dislike the execution are very pleased to troll that hypothetical dude at every chance.

Marvel can say what they want. Brevoort (whether he believes it or is just Marvel's spokesperson) can say what he wants. The fact that the annoying fanboys go "I'm so glad he didn't walk back his denial and cater to the wake agenda" are just admitting that there's something TO deny.

I'll be honest, I suspect the issue is Logan's fanbase. It's the largest by far and Marvel doesn't want to alienate the straight men in the crowd. But the thing is, they're aging out. And younger generations of fans are more openly queer than we are, and definitely more than our parents were. This is going to be a non-issue. Especially when the new generations start running the asylum.

It'll take a long time, of course, and there'll be a lot of bullshit before then. But you can't put the genie back in the bottle. The idea is out there. And like Kitty, Rachel, Betsy, Bobby, Mystique and Destiny, Rictor and Shatterstar, EVENTUALLY we'll get to the point where Marvel admits what we all know. (And we knew for a while. The Throuple didn't come out of nowhere.)

Marvel's most famous and popular X-Men character is queer.

More than half of the Original X-Men, that earliest dream that creators never seem to be able to stop revisiting, are queer*.

The flag ship pairing of the X-Men involves a woman and a man who are queer*.

That's pretty awesome.

(*I know technically we're talking about an MMF throuple and it doesn't rule out Jean being straight, but let's be honest here. Jean's got more than enough suggestive interaction with Storm, Emma, Lorna and Wanda to make a strong enough case for bisexuality in her own right.)

[victimsofyaoipoll]

Round 3

Propaganda Under Cut

Sharon Carter

Sharon is portrayed as a conniving, meddling bitch/villain in fics. Multiple authors flat-out say that they need someone to be the bitch or villain in their fics and they used Sharon. She got so much hatred based on Steve kissing her in Civil War in 2016 that Marvel Studios changed its entire plan for multiple characters. This is despite how Sharon has been Steve's main love interest in the comics since December 9, 1965. Despite being off and on for decades (three of Steve's other love interests were while she was supposedly dead, with at least one writer saying they only created the love interest because Sharon was dead at the time)

When she first appeared she was unfairly treated by fans for "getting in the way" of the Steve Rogers/Bucky Barnes ship. A shame because she's a really good character. I'd talk more about how unfairly Sharon, and her actress Emily VanCamp, have been treated by the fanbase and the creators, but that's a different story.

She and Steve Rogers were meant to have a romantic relationship, but the entire fandom and many Stucky fans dislike her because it wasn’t a good ship. I think she isn’t the best but she doesn’t deserve so much hate

Elizabeth Midford

She started as just a cutie fiancée trying her best, turns out she's also a swordfighting genius, very under pressure to perform feminity in the Victorian Rose type of way. Fandom crucifies her bc she's Ciel's fiancée and they want him to be with his butler, Sebastian, the demon he sold his soul to for revenge

anime was a shitty canon divergent adaptation that butchered her character down to her "cutesy silly girly" persona, which obviously made the 2008 anime fans hate her with a passion (nothing wrong w being girly I'm just saying the adaptation made her super one dimensional) anyways fujoshis used to treat her as a villain because she's the fiance of Ciel,, who as u might know already was HEAVILY shipped with his butler, Sebastian back then (now it's kinda looked badly upon, nice tbh that ship sucks ass xD) She's a bit similar to Misa Amane from death note in the way she was treated. (Like an obstacle the yaoi ship must overcome rather than a person)

she's my silly little rabbit! i could gush about her character but i'll keep it short and just say that she's really well written and one of the best characters in the series. anyways she's ciel's fiance and she's like, rightfully annoying as any other 13 yr old girl would be but the fanbase fucking crucified her for even existing. she gets demonized for being 'annoying', but then ciel gets yaoishipped with an even more annoying guy. there is 100% an argument that lizzie/ciel is weird bc they're cousins (i personally don't ship it) but that falls flat when her detractors then ship the 13 yr old ciel with an eons old demon who Canonically looks like his father. the anime also never reached her main character development until years after its peak and that was only in a movie, so she really got the bad end of the stick here. not me though i had a giant crush on her when i was 12

[dangerpronebuddie]

At first I was cool multi shipping because I'm fine with casual multishipping but then the bucktommys got annoying and now I want them to breakup not just because I ship buddies as an endgame ship and because I felt like that's where the plot was headed but also out of sheer spite like even if I didn't think buddies would go canon I'd want them breaking up by any means necessarily because those shippers don't deserve to win I don't even want them to break up for some neutral mature reason they deserve to suffer more than that

I was cool with it at first too, I will admit that. I was riding on the high of bi Buck and thought a short term ship would be kinda neat.

But no.

No no no.

I've never seen anything like this. I have friends who ship both and they're completely chill about it and don't mind that I despise it. But the majority of them are honestly out of their minds. I've never seen so many shitty, racist, vile (and downright just bad) takes in my life. Their entire ship is riding on headcanons, and if you disagree with one, you're attacked for it! They try to rewrite canon and take it as gospel. They worship the ground Tommy/ Lou walks on (despite both being racist assholes with no growth or change to be found). They don't know the characters and they don't care.

What has pissed me off more than anything is the fact they attack the actors and other fans. It's not their fault. BT shippers decided there was more than there actually is, thanks to Lou exploiting them for money and fueling their ideas. I could go on for AGES, honey. And it's sad.

I am all for "multi shipping" (such a bizarre thing anyway, I didn't know we had to classify whether or not we enjoyed more than one couple 🙄 but I digress). Ship and let ship, but when you turn to calling fans homophobic for disliking a literal racist, a line has to be drawn.

I love buddie, and I want it so bad, and it seems to be the natural progression of the plot, but I'm letting whatever happen happen. I'm not going to attack actors and writers and other fans when I don't immediately get my way.

As for the breakup, I understand your want for it to be bad. The petty in me would feel extremely vindicated. I think, with Buck's storyline focusing on Gerrard right now and the fact Tommy shows no interest in supporting Buck through it all (even before Captain Bigot took over), I see it all tying in somehow. But that's another conversation entirely.

[hannigramislife]

so i have a question that i swear is meant with complete sincerity (i just want to preface that because i know some people send shitty passive aggressive asks and i dont wanna be misunderstood).

I dislike dazai a lot and for most of the same reasons that you do but i also really dont like jgy for basically all the same reasons. I just know you're a big jgy fan but you really hate dazai and i was wondering how you reconcile those feelings? i assume we just have different interpretations of jgy (mdzs is a vast piece of media and there's a lot of different ways to interpret each character) but i've just been getting more and more curious so i wanted to ask. to be clear, i think it's totally okay to like jgy! the same way i think its okay for dazai fans to like dazai, they're just fictional characters. so this is in no meant as an attack or an 'ah ha!' moment. i just sort of don't understand liking one character and not the other when to me, all of their worst traits are the same and jgy has actually done far worse things than dazai (like murdering his own son)

i hope my ask isnt upsetting at all. you mentioned before liking to discuss meta so i really just want to introduce a conversation and maybe understand your perspective a bit better

Firstly, thank you so much for your polite ask!

I just wanna clear something up – I am not a Jgy fan XD. I see where one might think that, but I can guarantee you, I wanted him dead as fuck and I do not condone his atrocities.

Now, I do have some friends who have talked to me about Jgy, and they're Xiyao and Nieyao fans, respectively, so by talking with them, I have come to understand better some parts of Jgy's character, which have made me more forgiving towards some of his actions. Emphasis on some. Like you said, he and Dazai share the same annoying/frustrating traits, like the fact that they're lying liars 😊

I do appreciate Jgy as a character much more than I do Dazai though, that is correct, and I guess it's because of their narrative roles. Jgy has a very solid and interesting position in mdzs – in a world where social standing is such an important part of the story, the genius, bastard son of one of the wealthiest clans is constantly kicked down (lol couldn't resist), because the system has decided he doesn't deserve the same power as his half-brother, simply because of his birth situation.

And the narrative stays true to it! Time and time again, he is shut down, even when he goes to Lanling with Nie Mingjue's recommendation letter, even when he kills Wen Ruohen, even when he is married to secure his status, fate has fucked him over. It's like trying to watch Icarus reach the sun because he feels he is entitled to it.

Plus, I'm a huge Nieyao fan XD in a "they could have totally gotten married and lived happily ever after, but nooo; some of us have daddy issues *glares at jgy*"

So, this is the reason my posts have stopped being so antagonistic to Jgy, as I like to live in a delusional world where they've reincarnated in the modern world, jgy has some morals, and 3zun is happy 😇

Now, Dazai, on the other hand, I simply can't stand him. Nothing about his story or personality makes me go even as far as "yes, and?" I don't care for him as a character (though I get how he is appealing to people). I don't understand his actions 90% of the time. Plus, his actions are also frustrating and make me mad.

Like when Chuuya used corruption and he was like, "take me back at the place," and Dazai just left his ass there. "Oh, but that's their dynamic," yes, well, it annoys me. Plus, his whole thing with Akutagawa drives me up a wall because how dare you??? Motherfucker??? His first words to Akutagawa after 4 years live in my head rent-free because you could have shown that you became a better person, but nope. Still a dick. "Oh, he did that to set up the rivalry with Atsushi," you know how Beast Dazai did that? Set them up on a date. Boom. Take notes.

I also personally think Dazai either doesn't get Akutagawa fr, or he simply doesn't care to do so because Akutagawa flourishes with encouragement, it's actually sort of insane to see. Anyways. Went on a tangent there.

So yeah, Dazai is annoying, his personality sucks, he's a manipulative bastard, and he is mean to my baby :(

[sapphic-agent]

i really appreciate your anti bakugo posts, because i don't like him. and people saying he misunderstood like??? he doesn't need to take 300+ chapters to give a half-assed apology I'm in another fandom where there is a character extremely like bakugo, and his stans treat him the same when in reality that character is the worst. Like, they treat him as short of misunderstood saint and underdog when he isn't. but the difference is how the writers treat them in canon; while Hori is trying to make Bakugo looks more likable with his plot armor and the fact that he only faces a slap on the wrist on his horrible actions.

while the other writer is like: Nha. He got the unhappy ending he deserves and he and the MC will not reconcile and he gets no bitchs. while the MC gets his happy ending with the person he loves and travels the world. like that character was so bad that they needed to soften him in lots of the adaptions; because he was that bad in the story narrative. both of them wrote about extremely angry characters, but the way that they did them is extremely different in the narrative of the story. like as someone with anger issues, since i was a toddler, the why fandom says that "he angry character it isn't his fault." is making me unironically mad. like; i can say lots of things in angry fits but i apologize like immediately after i calm down. taking accountability and facing consequences for your own actions is,,, suppose to be normal. sorry for the rant. I'm tired of my friend telling me that bakugo is misunderstood character (we have been going on it since the 1st session was released so like... 5 years)

Hi there, I'm so glad you like my posts!

The fandom certainly does victimize Bakugou a lot, doesn't it? People will point fingers literally everywhere else: his mother, his teachers, society, etc. But never towards Bakugou himself. Never holding him accountable for his own actions. One time when discussing with someone, they tried to tell me that Bakugou is aware that what he does to Izuku is wrong...

Okay? Then why doesn't he stop? That isn't the defense they think it is.

I think a great example of how to handle a character like this is what they do in Bojack Horseman. Bojack had a shitty childhood too with parents who were actually abusive. But the show stresses the fact that while his childhood is a reason for his actions, they are not an excuse. He also doesn't get a happy ending. He lost everything he ever had that was important to him: the TV show that made him famous, his money, his house, his close relationships- all of it.

Now obviously nothing Bakugou did was as bad as Bojack. And I don't necessarily think that (narratively speaking) he should have been expelled or had his life ruined. He was still a kid after all and I don't think he was ever at any point irredeemable.

But Bakugou never had to work hard to redeem himself, people just... let him. Ignored his behavior and the way he treated everyone (not just Izuku). I've said before that he continued to treat everyone like shit and got away for it because of comedy which severely undermined Horikoshi's attempt at redeeming him. This could have easily been rectified by giving Bakugou a moment of clarity whenever he did this. Even if it wasn't outright "sorry" it could have been an internal monologue where he shows regret for lashing out. It would not only make it clear that he's actively trying to be better even if he doesn't change immediately, it would have made him way more realistic.

I, personally, don't mind anger issues and his anger isn't why I dislike him. I mean, it can be annoying as hell but that isn't why I think he's a bad character. I've liked a ton of characters with anger issues (I have freaking Santana Lopez in my pfp lolz) and as long as they're well-written I've never had a problem.

[dez-wade]

i just auto block anyone with bad faith takes about characters they’ve clearly never watched. so much of egg discourse can be summed up as someone saying “i know they’re just kids but *proceeds to criticize normal child behaviors*”. if anything people should feel sorry for bad being stuck with the accountant job. fit gets to act tough, pac gets to drive trains, foolish gets to pretend he’s a creature, bad gets an office job. that last bit is a joke but seriously it such a normal thing for little kids to assign silly roles like that and it means that sunny really liked him.

also in a meta sense i think the eggs are given some potentially fixable flaws on purpose so the parents can work through it with them. hating them for that is a little unfair. sunny isn’t even the first to dislike the idea of being poor. if you actually watch them you can see they don’t want anyone else to be poor either so she gives away some diamonds every day. she’s a sweet kid but you only see the full extent if you watch tubbo

I think after QSMP started I blocked more than 1k people on Twitter. I'm not picky at all when it comes to this, I silence a lot of words as well. Has a shitty take? I'm not only blocking you, I'm blocking all people that liked that tweet as well. Sadly it's impossible to get rid of all the annoying ones, it's like a hydra. You cut a head, two are born in its place.

I don't even try to defend Sunny anymore when I see the bad takes because they already have a made up image of her in their heads and they won't be listening.

Sunny despite her "material girl" side is the sweetest and kindest egg. She doesn't like "poor people" but she actually never treated them bad? Like, she thought Empanada was poor so she gave her a bunch of diamonds and still considers her her bestie. Empanada loves Sunny as well.

Genuinely that's the only time I remember Sunny actually being "they're poor..." It was with Em/Nikki and a bit with Em/Bagi. I know classicism is an awful thing, but do you really need to take it seriously when it comes from a Minecraft egg RPing as a kid?

And I'm not even touching the people genuinely mad at Sunny calling Foolish her pet. That's the people who are far too gone and need to touch some grass, see real kids. Real people. Stay out of the internet for a week and remember what real life is.

[rizzulusarcturizz]

yo i can't reply to your comment OP blocked me lol, but i just wanted to say sorry if my comment was too aggressive but i'm just really annoyed at anyone who acts like family Must Mean Everything - especially since i've gotten shit so many times for not loving my own. if someone wants to hc sirius as not caring for regulus it doesn't mean that they're an only child - or that it's a bad hc, cause OP made it sound like it was (maybe they didn't mean it like this though). and tbh i don't feel like anyone is trying to be the authority about them, people just read this characters differently, we don't even have a clear canon of them so ofc that happens

anyways sorry again if it was badly said in my comment

I’m not offended, everyone is entitled to their own opinions! I was speaking to my personal experience and am the first to admit I can’t fathom the idea of not caring about my siblings. I’m not saying people are wrong if they have a different experience, I absolutely recognize the importance of setting healthy boundaries with family. There isn’t one universal relationship that all siblings experience; lots of people go no contact with family members because it’s the best thing they can do to protect themselves! That being said, what concerns me about some of the headcanons about the Black brothers having a bad relationship is that it can start to get in to the realm of victim blaming.

When we’re writing from the character’s POV Sirius/Regulus resenting the other brother for staying/leaving is completely understandable. That being said, when readers start to say one of them is terrible for trying to survive what is often interpreted as an abusive household you get in to a more grey zone. No one should ever be encouraging children to do something that they personally don’t feel safe doing in an abusive situation. This isn’t directed at you, I’m not suggesting that’s what you were saying, but my day job is a social worker so I feel entitled to say this.

I can’t speak for OP, obviously, but I think they were just speaking to a particular headcanon they dislike. I definitely have seen people wielding the idea of “canon” to justify only one idea of a character which I think is silly because we know very little canonically about these characters. I don’t think it was an aggressive comment but it is typically considered rude in fandom to comment on someone’s post calling them out for a personal fandom rant. Tumblr is a space to cultivate your own experience; if you feel like people are making you feel shitty for your personal family experience you should absolutely block away. This particular fandom is exhausting at the best of times given how much conflict there is; don’t feel like you have to consume content that makes you feel bad. Sibling relationships are not a one size fit all kind of thing and don’t let fandom make you think otherwise!

[somegilmoreguy]

INTRO

You can call me Guy or Gil. Nearly 30. I grew up watching Gilmore Girls with my bio mom, I have extra opinions every time I re-watch.

I'm pretty equally critical of all the characters, though not particularly anti any of them. I even like all of them (barring Jason who's name I constantlly forget even after 20 or so years watching because I care so little about him) I have some personal issues with Christopher, though people I know tend to be obsessed with using him as a token to show why Lorelai is the most evil Gilmore Woman in a weird game I like to call the Gilmore Olympics. They're all just refusing to break generational curses.

I find liking or disliking characters morally neutral, I'm not going to debate why my faves are better than yours. I don't care if you don't like a character I love, or if you like one I hate, it doesn't affect me unless you try to make them out to be innocent babies then I think you're annoying. Just don't act like a freak when I talk about Tristian being a sex pest and Christopher being shitty to Rory.

Feel free to ask me fmk with the Gilmore guys.

Also I'm autistic so don't assume I'm being aggressive unless I'm using outright combative words. I occasionally use "tone indicators" which is a / and spelling out the tone of a phrase. Usually /joking, /neutral or /not mad.

No dni because I'm an adult with a job who knows tv shows aren't real but I'm very obviously a massive homo so if you have a problem with that you won't have fun here.

There will eventually be hyperlinks below. None yet though.

IMPORTANT: Gilmore Girls aired from 2000-2007. It will be problematic, that goes without saying. Television was a little different back then with what you could get away with. That doesn't make it okay but that was the norm. I may provide cultural context on posts occasionally but I wont be harping on its flaws too much. There is no need for me to beat a dead horse and say "I know this was problematic!" Everytime I speak. I will be mindful with trigger warnings though so I will still be trying to make this blog safer to navigate.

Episode by episode break down + seasons and series conclusions.

Character breakndowns

Character Headcanons

Babs Trans headcanon

[icharchivist]

i feel you on being sad about ff7r, i actually loved it at first because i personally really liked a lot of things about how they expanded the midgar section of the game and i wasn't thinking too hard about how some of the plot changes might remove a bit of nuance, or the sephiroth stuff, because i was just having so much fun while i was playing. but then the ending happened and the stuff with zack on top of it and i progressively got more annoyed because i just wanted it to essentially still be the original story??

i won't go on too much about it because i don't wanna leave an essay in your inbox but i just feel like, the original game is from 1997. it certainly has its own flaws and things that might make people not wanna play it, and it deserved to be recreated in beautiful 3d graphics and brought to the attention of a newer generation of gaming fans who may not have given ff7 a second look before. i wanted people who would get into this amazing story for the first time because of the remake to get the original story, more or less, and could've overlooked some flaws with how they expanded/changed it if it was still basically the same plot! i'm still gonna play every part of the remake but the whole stealth sequel thing they're doing is such a bummer to me lol, i've already talked to a lot of my friends and family about it and strongly recommended that they play the original game even if it might be a bit dated.

🥺🥺🤝🤝

i'm glad to hear about your experience with it and relieved it was a bit of the same.

oops a bit more under the cut (no spoilers this time though! just salt.)

Honestly i'm a bit on the same ground there because i did really enjoy playing the remake, it's fun, it's dynamic, there's new quests i think are really fun and great, and i was so hyped with seeing everyone else that i was willing to give even Sephiroth a shot. tbh originally i thought it might be just straight up hallucinations that aren't motivated by Sephiroth himself, just playing on Cloud's trauma, and while we lost the subtility, i am a sucker for exploring more of Cloud's trauma and complete collapsing "This Is Fine" mental health.

I was always a bit iffy about the Specters but i did go through the game mostly happy with what i got. But yeah ultimately it's really both the conclusion of the Specters storyline and the Zack scene that left me "huh." for a while.

And honestly my reactions when the game was over was just "okay i'm not. sure what to do with it but i'll guess we'll have to wait and see."

but it's sitting on it for a few years now that really make me go, actually, i really dislike it 😭

Originally i think i wanted to go easy on the game because i was buying onto the "well maybe it's too much to expect them to do a plot that is exactly the same as the OG, they keep talking about how they don't want to redo the game 101 and i guess that's fair", but now in retrospect i'm just "... but it was advertised to be a remake. And Yuffie's DLC can show very well how they can do new things adding to the game without making it a straight up sequel. and why is ff7 having a metacommentary plotline anyway" and that's when i started to get beef about it. Like, it's shitty to punish the fans for them being mad they got sold something under false adverticizing.

The Grief theme from the OG is something i care a lot about so this was one of the first thing i started to think in depth about, and since it also meant trying to make sense of "why do i want /this/ death to happen again" it eventually made me think of the others themes i cared about the remake would not be able to follow through properly and *there* you get how i am today, fully jaded about it.

Truly the "Sephiroth locked himself in the Nibelheim Mansion" character arc. Going in with curiosity and coming out with, actually, the more i read the more i think it's too bad.

As for the second paragraph: 100%!!! Like, i've been here for 15 years and i know for a fact that recommending the OG is always met with "oh but it looks so bad" (it's stylized not bad!!! oh well), or "i can't focus without voice acting" or "but the gameplay sounds boring", which is added to how all the others entries in the series have polished graphisms to start with (even if some are early polished 3D and have clunky animation as a result, it still holds up that the more "modern" player can get into it yaknow)

and idk when you compare it to like RE2 Remake that balances remaking the old game with new graphisms and everything and then changing a couple of things either to upgrade the story or to make it more coherent with later update in the franchise.... It's kinda like the type of things we expected i guess???

And i've seen people decide to get into ff7 for the first time by the remake itself. Some people are waiting to see where the plot is going to go via the remake. And while the remake can work as a sequel if you squint, idk how i think about it being the first contact someone has with the saga. (tho i don't know how much i can criticize on that level since i started with Crisis Core, then watched Advent Children, and then i read the wiki for the OG and only played the OG years later. So i have no lesson to give on the "but you're not experiencing the ff7 saga in the right order :(" front)

I have a friend who's a game dev who also only got into ff7 via the remake, and we discussed it last time we met because he knows i'm a huge fan and he wanted my opinion as a Veteran™. Turns out, while he liked a few things from the game, there was a lot out of it that he didn't like and couldn't figure out why (except a few things he called "idk what's going on but it sounds like Nomura's fuckery", you can feel the KH veteran out of him). And the more we discussed it the more he realized that a lot of the things he really didn't vibe with were truly Remake Only Decisions. Like he didn't understand on what level Sephiroth is meant to be a legendary Antagonist while all he does is just being a generic villain who shows up early just to go "heheh i'll do evil", or complained about super long and eventless dungeons that were really just, remake only stuff. and he hated the Specters bc he kept seeing it as breaking from the immersion of the story itself and their appearance seemed to be completely separated from the main story, as if it was another story running in parallelism to the one we're going through.

On the other hand when i started to tell him how it was in the OG for instance and especially the difference in Sephiroth's writing he was nodding along like "*that* i get why it was impactful". (and he's not the type to lie about his feelings on something just to go with the opinion someone is holding, convos got heated before lmao)

So yeah like. idk. I just kinda wish they were forward about it not being a remake. and not derailling the plot of the game itself in order to make a metatextual critism on how fans demands those type of remakes and refuses to accept deviations from it.

So i'm all with you on that too 😭 i'm just so sad bc i remember in 2015 when they announced the remake being so hyped and finally feeling like the OG would be more accessible to people whom i knew at the time didn't want to bother with such an old gem game. But now i feel like it's kinda made even more inaccessible since i feel like some people would stop at the remake itself bc it's already a game that is way way bigger than the OG ever was, and it's already time consuming to start with just to have the same story told in another medium.

When Ever Crisis was announced it was supposed to be a mobile game which would actually go through the whole plot of the saga, without changing anything, but with characters's chibi, and i remember the devs using EC as a shield there like "well if you want to play the OG in good quality tune in for EC". And i didn't keep up with EC's newest news but at the time it was announced it was going to release one chapter at a time for the duration of the server, which. is such a downgrade in every front and also means you won't be able to keep the game on the long term doesn't it? and after the fiasco that was First Soldier this is even more of a dubious take.

All in all it's just, genuinely such a cynical remake and commercial approach it just makes me so sad.

so yeah i'm 100% with you on this one :(

and same i'll play the games, esp since there are still good things into them, the gameplay is enjoyable, the explorations are so fun, it's nice to see the world of the OG being given this approach! For all the stuff i would complain about there's a lot i actively like about the remake, for instance i'm so so glad we get more Aerith & Tifa scenes where they show how close friends they become (bc god the eternal shipwar pinning the girls against one another in a petty catfight was the most annoying part of the pre-remake fandom, despite the OG only ever treating them as good friends, not rivals, so the fact the remake hammers in even more "tHEY'RE!!! FRIENDS!!! STOP IT!!!" is everything to me.).

And there's stuff i think are genuinely good like, actually exploring Sector 7 and making us care about the people in it much more than the OG could prepare us for it! muah very good no note.

It just genuinely sucks that the biggest problem with ff7r is the actual core of the plotline they're going with to drive the whole story onward. Everything else goes from fine to amazing. And then this thing doesn't work for me. but since it's the most important thing of the game, it undoes everything that made me hyped to start with.

so yeah :( fully 100% with you on this one. Guess we have to push our "play the 1997 game" agenda even harder now. rip :sob:

Thank you once again for sharing <333

[inlovewithrain]

Nancy never said it was Steve's fault, but she implies it and outwardly states 'we killed barb' instead of 'i killed barb' (hence why i said 'practically')

nancy undermines practically everyone; mostly jonathan. she tries to, and fails to, connect classism to feminism. in fact, she goes too far and her apology is clearly half assed. as a woman myself, and a raging feminist, i found myself rooting for jonathan in the car scene.

nancy DID cheat on steve. they did NOT break up the day after, she went and 'apologized' (aka gaslighted him into thinking his emotions were false and unneeded) and steve stormed out. that is NOT a break up; they fought.

nancy didn't apologize for cheating.

nancy wheeler was NOT grieving for her friend in s4. who exactly was she grieving? barb after 3 years? she wasn't close to eddie NOR chrissy, let alone friends with them.

it's VERY clearly implied that nancy is jealous of robins closeness with steve, and she loosens up when robin tells her they're not dating.

i'm not mischaracterizing nancy. i am acknowledging that nancy is annoying because the show is trying too hard with her.

nancy has NO character arc. she has learnt NOTHING from s1. she continues to fuck around everywhere.

speaking of 'forgiving men' lets not forget who you're clearly idolizing between steve and jonathan, jonathan. the same jonathan who took photos of nancy literally half-naked and then blamed his missing brother.

in fact, nancy was WILD for dating jonathan because of that. in fact, we ignore the fact that jonathan is a massive creep and then she feels the need to apologize on behalf of steve; for PROTECTING HER?

sorry, lets just remember s1 and s2 together. steve asks nancy to go see 'all the right moves' to cheer her up. steve comes by her window to talk to her to find her and jonathan, freshly showered, sitting on her bed. and then tells his friends about it, who later write it on the wall, and he cleans it up. (that's shitty of him to do, but unlike nancy or jonathan, steve had a character arc.) AND then, he goes to jonathan's house to apologize to jonathan, and then sees nancy, and risks his life saving them both. he also goes to her house in s2 with roses to apologize for something he had no control over, and then he apologized AGAIN for being 'a shitty boyfriend' (why was he a shitty boyfriend? because he didn't want her to break an NDA and get them all killed. my god, he is the worst!)

and lets not forget, it 100% was steve that dismissed nancy's feelings and not the other way around? because, pray tell, in season two, who was the one who told who that 'you're feelings don't matter cause i was drunk and stop making a big deal out of it?'

i honestly like nancy to some extent but she is incredibly self-centered. her plot-line makes NO sense and they just kinda throw something at her and make her look good at the end of every season for 'feminism'

(nancy treats the job as a 'thing to push her forward', and then pushes jonathan into going to ms driscolls house, knowing all to damn well that jonathan relies on that job to help his family, but he is responsible for his own actions and that's why it's not included on this list.)

ofc i also have much hate for jonathan byers, who is a fucking pervert, and while i dislike nancy, i actually hate jonathan, and so i dislike jancy even more than stancy, because nancy wheeler, though a bitch, is a fucking badass, and doesn't deserve to be with a guy who snuck into her boyfriends' backyard and took photos of her undressing, in fact, the way she actually GOT WITH HIM less than a year later proves a lot on who she is, and the way she forced steve to apologize?! APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT?!

am i the only one who mildly hates nancy wheeler?

like hear me out; i couldn't stand her in s1 and s2, because she's just so selfish, and that carries on in the other seasons.

she practically blamed steve that barb went missing

(she also failed to realize he was also affected)

she cheated on him and then told him in a life-threatening moment

she got jonathan fired and then guilt-tripped him into thinking it was his fault.

she treated barb like absolute shit

she stayed with steve because she couldn't have jonathan

(that plays out in s4 as well. a lot of people say that she didn't; it was obvious that she was jealous of robin for being close to him)

her entire story line is so annoying. i'm sorry to say this but she needs a proper coping mechanism because she's been grieving for like 3 fucking years.

every single season, it's like clockwork. nancy finds something out, she gets mad nobody's believing her, she goes and gets them into MORE trouble.

however, what annoys me the most, is that nancy never apologizes, and she almost NEVER learns from her mistakes. she basically demands respect because she's a woman. in fact she almost basically tells jonathan that 'yeah you're poor but i'm a woman so i have it worse'

however, this also plays into the duffers' brothers writing.

nancy is written incredibly realistically. (she does something, focuses on something, and never realizes that she hurts people along the way.)

but when you rewatch stranger things, forget the 'girl power' and 'omg she's so badass' nancy is an incredibly shitty person and deserves to be called out by it. (she's like lois lane from superman)

honest to god help me if jancy OR stancy happens in s5 i'm actually shitting on the duffer's brother's doorstep.

is it just the duffers brothers poor attempt at writing feminism?

not quite; el or max had very big plotlines, but they were no way as much as an ass as nancy.

[drdemonprince]

I won't be able to make it to the We Know The Devil re-play on Thursday but I watched the first one and it made me think of something I'm struggling to figure out in general. In the game when we didn't include/support someone sufficiently a bad thing happened to them so some of us felt bad for excluding them. But that character was kind of a mean bully in my opinion. I have some issues with this societal idea that you have to support people even when they're shitty to you and that something as innocuous as just avoiding a mean person means it's somehow your fault when something bad happens or they spiral or something. But then again I know people go through hard times and there should be some space for people to act kind of crappy to one another. I think maybe I'm overcompensating for being too much of a fawner but feeling guilty that maybe I'm now just heartless. I'm curious what your thoughts are on this and if you know of any rules of thumb, especially for those of us that have a hard time telling if someone's bad behavior is actually harmful and we need to get out, or if it's something we can absorb without damage and continue to still support them.

Well okay so first, I think individual players will have different reactions to Neptune because she is aggressive and mean-girlish and that's fine, but in-game the other two mains are written as enjoying her and finding relief in her certainty and directness. You don't have to like her, and you can choose to play the game however you like, but as far as the other characters' and their motivations go, they like her, and they want her around, and it's when they push past their own shame enough to face one another and show that care that they thrive.

the game's exploring the competing forces of isolation and shame versus belonging and acceptance, and I think for that to work and have emotional heft, the characters have to be difficult at times to love, and they can't love themselves. It's not particularly interesting to watch a bunch of perfect (or even just all gentle and nice) people choosing to look after one another. and that's not what exclusion and homophobia does to people. it makes some of us mother fuckers.

As for playing out in these dynamics in the real world, I believe that trying to find any kind of hard and fast rule about how things should be and then mapping that onto your own behavior with consistency is almost guaranteed to fail. Because there is a huge difference between what kinds of grace/acceptance/love/etc people ought to receive and deserve in the broad sense, and what you, personally, are in a position to provide or will get anything out of doing. that's kind of a huge theme in my work: we need to stop treating ourselves as symbolic moral agents, and instead as individual people in unique circumstances with our own limits.

So rather than asking some higher order question about whether another person deserves forgiveness or inclusion despite them having been a dick to you, or being annoying, or what have you, it makes a lot more sense to ask yourself if you even like being around the person or if being near them makes you feel terrible. Pushing yourself to spend time with someone you actively dislike because you have some ideological belief that the person should have close associates of some kind is just going to make you feel drained and resentful, and make the other person feel like a charity case or like they are being proselytized, and it won't end well, believe me.

Ultimately, Neptune gets included in things because her two friends like her -- they like her as she is, acid tongue and all -- and realizing that is part of what saves her. and all three of the characters. and that is how inclusion and acceptance probably ought to work in our real life friend groups as well. We have to actually enjoy being around people, feel comfortable navigating conflict with them, accept their faults and not have some agenda when interacting with them (whether that's of rehabilitation, or pity, or of feeling that we have met some ideological or moral goal by associating with them).

[brotherslayer]

What do you think of MCs who literally abandon their goal for "love and family" when they're completely aware of the other party did to them/the original owner of the body? Like sometimes it feels like once they are reincarnated they start losing brain cells cuz Siyeon from Death is the only ending for the Villainess was aware that all of the male leads killed og!Penelope in previous routes and had every right to leave the game cause those people were worth it but when finally given the chance to leave after everything that happened She choose to stay because of Callisto.

And Athanasia finally ran away from her dad only to come back because she misses him? Ma'am did you forget what he did to og!athanasia. Also for your entire childhood you literally to had put a act so you wouldn't die by his hands and at what time was Claude a good parent. Never actually it was YOU putting effort into this father-daugther relationship while Claude just sat there. And you came back because you miss your dad who almost killed you when you were FIVE.

Sorry for going off but it literally pisses me when these girls have a valid reason to leave only to stay or came back because *resaons*.

MC forgiving her abusive love interest? I only like it if it's yandere level toxic and the narrator aknowledges that this is not a love story. MC forgiving her family? I don't like it. I generally dislike the trope where the MC forgives her abusive family even if the family was somewhat redeemable. This is why Beware of the Brothers or A Stepmother's Marchen didn't click for me.

Revenge will always be so much sweeter than forgiveness especially when the forgiveness is not hard earned and instead gets thrown after them for a basic act of kindness. I suppose it could be interesting to see a family repent for what they have done and suffer in equal measure to make up for the abuse they had inflicted on their child, but I have yet to see this kind of redemption in an Isekai. I'm also not sure if I would even enjoy it as I consider child abuse an unforgiveable offence. Their suffering wouldn’t undo the trauma they have inflicted on their daughter. They have ruined someone's key development phase and the least they could do is stay out of their daughter's life but no they have to be trying to insert themselves in it through various ways.

It's always the mc accommodating her behaviour to their needs. The only thing their families do is use money to fix their relationship and if we are lucky give a half-hearted apology to mc and amazingly it always works. What takes the cake is the lenghts the authors go to excuse their shitty behaviour ranging from poison to demons to "political neutrality???" to "I tHouGhT yOu DidN't liKe mE"/ She was to perfect at everything she did I didn't know how to treat her so I neglected her/ I had to traumatize her to protect her (<- grown man to a 12 y/o child) It's not sending a very great message tbh. And the trope is so common that it has become not only stale and boring but also increasingly annoying. Where is the payoff of mc learning a skill to escape her abuser only to give up said profession and become his obedient little housewife? All the manipulation and preparations for an escape seem pointless when the character decides to stay in the end. Image a heist movie where the characters plan a heist for 2 seasons and then not go through with it.

And sometimes revenge makes more sense. The more snippets I read of the novel the more I'm convinced that Claude was miscast as a father, he was made to be a villain and I stand by that. He doesn't pull off the role of a father believably anyways.

MC sucking up to a more powerful man instead of becoming independent seems outdated and anti feminist. Athy raising an army and dethroning her father and Penelope dancing on the ashes of the Eckart mansion after she has killed them all is what I want to see and not them becoming dependent on the very people who have murdered them. How could they ever feel safe in the arms of someone who had broken their trust and made them fear for their life? How would Penelope feel to watch Duke Eckart play the loving grandpa/her brothers be nice uncles to her daughter when she knew the kind of abuse they were capable of? Wouldn’t it hurt her how different their treatment is and that her family was capable to treat a non-blood related child well but choose not to?

In Athy's and Penelope's case it's even worse because they were the person who was tortured and killed. They have a very personal reason not to go back to them but chose to do it anyway. If 15 y/o Athy had gone back to Claude I could understand it somewhat, but our Athy is mentally an adult from modern day Korea and has seen how healthy family relationships look like. The same goes for Cha Siyeon. Why give up on your abusive family in Korea and then go back to an arguable even worse abusive family in the game world? She should have known better. I thought she was a rational person. Love made them dumb. She chose to stay in a medieval world where all her personal connections are men who have traumatized her, when she could have gone back to the real world to her friends who valued her and the prestigious university she tried so hard to get into.

[thetaoofbetty]

BAs hate about Veronica is rooted in insecurity. They love the idea of Tabitha being on a story line with BA and Jughead and just anything about her because as long as she keeps Jug unavailable and Veronica [recently single Veronica at that) isn’t breathing the same air as Archie. They’ll know he’ll do the fastest 360 when she as much as implies she wants him.

they are very gross towards veronica a lot. like, a lot. they'll be the first people to yell at you for not liking a character based on whatever requirements are floating around the bird app that day but turn around say the nastiest things about veronica—things that aren't even true. which then has the v/as and others turn around and say nasty things about betty that aren't even true either so, really, it's all just a big who can be shitty about who contest sometimes.

does that mean they love jughead again this week? i can't keep track. after the gross things they said about his hearing loss, the fact that they pretend to like him when he's with tabitha is just weird on their part. you can dislike a character for whatever reason, you don't have to make shit up about them or try to compete and compare to make yourself feel justified.

i don't like kevin. the end.

i'm guessing that veronica breaking up with archie is a big part of it. it's easy to say so and so doesn't want to be with their ex if so and so is the one who did the breaking up. single veronica, jughead being written into so much of their scenes, and the ever lingering presence of knowing that something isn't quite right about this season? i'm sure they're white knuckling it through this season at this point.

wait what did Archie say nasty to Betty about the palladium? i must have missed that lol

hey now, don't give them ammunition of saying i said something i didn't, ha. i said he acted like a little shit to her about it. he was snippy and came off like a bit of a jerk. i'm guessing that has to do with his powers affecting his emotional state but it's more of an overall hmmm that of all the people he's been a short or annoyed with, it's been betty more than once.

[von-frappe]

For the Salty Ask List thing, 1-27. Orrr just 5, 10, 19, aaand 26 & 27?? uwu

What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get?

what otp's do I get is the question really? but the big three I'm just not feeling are brittana, blam and faberry

2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?

blam blam blam

3. Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion?

no?? I don't think so?? although I was mutuals with someone on Tumblr and twitter but I blocked them, but that wasn't so much a difference in an opinion as it was they were disrespectful to my opinion but they were really backhanded and were trying to act like they were being reasonable about it.

4. Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP?*

I mean brittana, I'm sorry but it's not even that they're 'toxic' or 'problematic' like I'd be able to get over their shitty moments if it didn't feel like I was watching a child and a babysitter who occasionally talked about scissoring

also fabrevans are a monstrosity to society and I guess they're semi popular lol.

5. Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?*

blam and faberry, not that I particularly liked them before but they did not get on my tits as much before I entered the fandom

6. Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated?*

naur

7. Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now?*

I guess I technically used to like brittany and fabrevans, but I was 11 years old when I first saw them and I don't trust an opinion I had before 2017

8. Have you received anon hate? What about?*

yeah,,, what haven't I got anon hate on.. I got called whiny and annoying, both true statements but a bit rude.. someone victimised me one day in the good year of 2021 and it honestly traumatised me and I don't want to talk about that, I've got hate for not liking brittany/brittana, for not shipping blaine with sam, I got called a misogynist for only talking bad on female characters and cast members

9. Most disliked character(s)? Why?

Brittany Pierce, Shelby Corcoran and Sebastian Smythe because there's literally nothing I find significantly redeemable about any of them, like other characters get on my tits but there's still some enjoyable aspects to them, but for these? I got nothing.

10. Most disliked arc? Why?

Santana in season 6 because what a fucking downgrade, her career storyline is down the toilet and her friendships are all thrown away just reduce her entire personality to br*ttany, even if I actually liked brittany/brittana that would still be a dog shit storyline, but I don't so it's worse than it already is.

11. Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?

my gal Rachel Berry, she's an interesting character and I find her actions so over the top that they swing around from annoying to ridiculous and entertaining

12. Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why?

blaine cheating, I don't love this arc but I think it makes sense for his character and his progression in a lot of ways

13. Unpopular opinion about XXX character?

no character was specified so I'll just say, kitty was a good character

14. Unpopular opinion about your fandom?

they need to let go of the unholy trinity, they are not a good friendship they are a group of colleagues at best

15. Unpopular opinion about the manga/show?

season 4 & 5B >>> season 3

16. If you could change anything in the show, what would you change?

honestly, less focus on the popular group and more focus on the 'outcasts' and their friendship, like Quinn/Finn/puck and their whole baby drama would be a minor storyline with the focus mainly being on Mercedes/Kurt/Artie/Tina/Rachel (ik Rachel did get a lot of focus but less finn romance/Quinn frenemyship and more nerdy friendships with the other outcasts)

17. Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen…

idk bro instead of brittany being a sad little lamb about kurt getting mad at her and kurt getting completely villanised over getting mad about the unicorn posters I would have brittany realise she was wrong and show maybe even a small ounce of reflection (I know I'm reaching for the sky with this)

18. Does not shipping something ‘popular’ mean you’re in denial and/or biased?

we're all biased and that's fine, the 'denial' point is just stupid, like wow the couple you personally enjoy and view as perfect angels aren't universally adored? people just aren't willing to accept you as the overlord of everyone's opinions.

19. What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom?

probably everything outside of Tumblr honestly, mainly just how it's sacrilege to take issue with certain things (santana, Quinn, brittany, brittana, the unholy trinity) but then fans who complain about ppl who don't ass kiss for those said things but make the same points about other things and don't see the hypocrisy

20. What is the purest ship in the fandom?

idk, if you ignore artie being sexist to tina they're mostly just two buddies being buds. if we we're talking about purest ships we have slim pickings here (not that I care bc most 'pure' ships are high key boring honestly)

21. What are your thoughts on crack ships?

if we're talking about the actual crackships, kittina and blartie core then I'm all for it, but when it's a popular pairing that just happened to not date in canon, blam and faberry core, get out of my house.

22. Popular character you hate?

fucking brittany man, also Sebastian.

23. Unpopular character you love?

Rachel Berry, I also like artie although I don't feel as strongly about him (but he's a million times better than brittany and Sebastian who get obsessed over I'll tell you that)

24. Would you recommend XXX to a friend? Why or why not?

I wouldn't recommend anything to a friend really

25. How would you end XXX/Would you change the ending of XXX?

the best place to end glee would have either been the end 100th episode special or the end of season 5, that or season 6 needed a massive fucking overhaul

26. Most shippable character?

truthfully artie does have chemistry with most people, and virtually everyone of his pairings are niche and away from the general glee fandom which I love.

27. Least shippable character?

brittany, on the basis that I just don't like her and don't want her near any character I actually like

[plan-d-to-i]

People confuse personality with character morals and principles, personality is subjective you can like or dislike someone based on personality and that doesn’t make them more nor less flawed just not your cup of tea, I personally wouldn’t get along that well with WY bc he’s hyper and noisy and i enjoy my peace and silence and to some people he might be annoying but it has NOTHING to do with his character he can be loud and still the most righteous admirable mfer in the jianghu. In the same way JC is also annoying and whinny and mean and rude af but that’s not what makes me hate him and consider him trash, what makes him trash is his absolute lack of principles and just everything about him on the inside that’s why MXTX highlighted so much the fact that personality wise WX are opposite but on the inside their character morals and principles are the same

Hm is Wei Wuxian hyper and noisy or are ppl who hate WWX saying he's hyper and noisy? I mean other than as a teenager when he's purposely flirting teasing trying to get Lan Wangji's attention, I feel like this peace disturbing for no reason persona has been greatly blown out of proportion.

lol back to the issue at hand I'm a little different. I think jc is a trash person bc he's a trash person, but I can't stand him because he's immensely annoying. Meaning that a character can be "bad" (Shi Wudu) and I can still enjoy their presence in a story if they're bringing something interesting to it. Some intriguing psychology, novel or unusual way of seeing /reacting to the world etc. jc is just so basic, whiny, entitled, dumping his anger and issues on everyone else 🥴, what's there to enjoy?! Nothing special just a tool in the plot. Still, when I bang on about how shitty he is it's not because I think everyone NEEDS to hate him or else. It's usually in direct reaction to people trying to paint him as some nice, misunderstood precious baby and convince others that was the intention of the story. When I judge them it's because the rhetoric they employ to defend his bs is homophobic or victim blaming or just plain moronic.