#so a lot of them just felt like really unjustified. which is kind of the point I get that Amanda was just killing people.
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anothermonikan · 1 year ago
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Guys not to be judgemental but like. does Saw get good again. genuinely.
#I just finished 4 and hm....I thought 3 was pretty meh#4 is maybe slightly less meh but still pretty meh#I liked 1 and 2 a lot!#but idk. I think John is bad actually and he doesn't actually care about giving meaning to people's lives or whatever#It was kind of believable up until like. the reveal that he was testing Amanda#Because like. oh no you tried to kill a cop who planted evidence on you and ruined your life :(( that's so bad that makes u a murderer!!!#meanwhile there's this other guy fighting for his fucking life because the grief he felt over his son dying in his arms to a drunk driver-#-was a little too violent :((( and he needs to learn to forgive people :(( like what.#Dude didn't even actually hurt anyone either he was just griefstrucken. what#I really hope that's the intended reading. the reason why 4 was a little less meh is because it lent towards that more#Like. very hypocritical of him to be like 'You need to forgive!!' to a guy who lost his son to a drunk driver#When he himself started this thing because his wife's unborn child was accidentally killed by someone. what#Only you can be upset about losing your (unborn mind you) child??? what???#I feel like most of the deaths and stuff in saw 3 where like. the victims were way more like. complicated.#so a lot of them just felt like really unjustified. which is kind of the point I get that Amanda was just killing people.#But it was still a weird shift aha... the only person who deserved to die in saw 3 really was the cop#In saw 4 I was like. Yeah kill them! for more of the deaths . but then it was also complicated because it was a cop doing it.#And also that trap with the wife and husband like. like Oh yeah your husband beat you and your child#But you really gotta appreciate your freedom! so you're impaled with the same spikes your husband is and you gotta pull them out!#like. what. they treat Jill so bad as well it was kind of annoying. but I'm pretty sure that was on purpose#asdfhsdhsdhds#sorry I should like. finish the series before posting about it#Android.txt
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tubbytarchia · 21 days ago
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I feel it’s unjustified and extremely harsh for you to say that Wild Life has “the least tension or meaningful viewer retention or investment in the characters” and “did bare explorations of interesting themes” only because your faves didn’t get to have a narratively satisfying ending or moments. It’s valid to be disappointed about what happened to them/their arc and I get it since I’ve felt that way too about my fave in some of the seasons, but I never blame it on the season’s gimmick or the CCs because I know nothing is scripted and things happen spontaneously. I can’t expect things to go the way it could go or be stuck on it because it’d be unrealistic of me to assume that everyone’s characters will get a spotlight or character development or have their plans for the season fulfilled. While you’re 100% allowed to feel upset and even to list Wild Life as your least favourite, it’s unwarranted to say this season had barely anything to give when it had a fun gimmick, awesome wildcards, new alliances, funny moments and skirmishes, and arguably is the most narratively satisfying season for the winner to win at. I love that you acknowledged this season wasn’t for you, but making blanket statements like those is unnecessarily cruel to the work the CCs have put into their videos.
I didn't blame anything on the CCs either, and all I stated was my opinion. I go out of my way to disclaim that I'm expressing opinion because of responses like this and still I get faulted for "blanket statements" when I don't end every sentence with "in my opinion"
I didn't watch all the POVs but none of them had me invested through to the end personally, not just my favorites. There were a lot of funny moments, it had that in entertainment value, but what I seek from Life Series is the drama and tension first and comedy second, which I acknowledged that this series just may not be trying to cater to anymore, therefore it isn't catering to me, but I can still be sad about it
Of course I'm interested in the characters by default, especially Pearl after seeing her alliance, I really wanted to see where it would go. In the end much of nothing went anywhere for anyone. BigB had a really strong start and kind of fizzled out through no fault of his own, the BAMers were a very cute dynamic and interesting for their kill count alone but then all went kind of unceremoniously and didn't leave me with a lot of emotional attachment, and I feel similarly about Gem and Joel. Scar especially suffered struggling to achieve what he had set out to do since episode 2. The Gs had some very good moments for me to chew on regarding Pearl's and Cleo's dynamic and such but that was a small saving grace. Gem and Pearl didn't get past stage 1 of their dynamic. The idea of untrustworthiness was posed with BigB and Etho pretty strongly regarding the Gs and then they just kinda stopped caring. Team BET were kind of doing their own thing and that worked really well, narratively those guys ended up having me the most intrigued and they were among the least interest for me at the start. So many alliances were proposed in passing eg Ren with Jimmy, BigB and anyone, and then nothing narratively compelling came of them if anything at all
Again, I don't blame the CCs whatsoever for any of my failed enjoyment, but the gimmicks took center stage and interferred with the tension and drama instead of encouraging it like Secret Life, which I think did what it did really well in spite of already being very gimmicky, and I feel confident in placing my problem with the series there. This time around there was just no room to breathe for at least half the episodes, the finale especially when no one was doing much of anything other than walking around deducing the gimmicks and dying to them instead of to each other until they were quite literally forced to. And that hampered the aspect that I enjoy the most and have gotten out of every season before it, hence why my disappointment is so potent. And at least one of the CCs seems to feel similarly about the unsatisfying resolutions and failed developments
Yes the new alliances were cool, yes the player that won deserved the win, etc etc, all fine in a vacuum but I didn't see much chance for them to prosper and wish these alliances and this win were part of a different season. It's my opinion and if you disagree then that's absolutely ok, and I welcome your own opinions but please stop faulting me for it. I wish I could have enjoyed it but I don't get to just change my main draw for the series unfortunately
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sarcastictissy · 7 months ago
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Hi, Tissy. I want to thank you for the positivity you bring to this community. It's something that is in short supply around here, and it's greatly appreciated. You have also been fair and objective, which is also appreciated. That is why I feel it is safe to send this message to you.
The past and present QSMP admins deserve support, but only to an extent. There have been instances of them displaying terrible behavior, and the QSMP community needs to stop ignoring/excusing it. The xenophobic remarks made by Lea and Lumi. Lea's baseless speculation on Twitter that Quackity's brother was working for the QSMP is what caused people to dox Quackity. Lea showing no remorse for leaking Quackity's information and causing his safety to be threatened. Some of the admins were very insensitive about the doxxing. Quackity's safety was actually threatened, and they were saying/agreeing with someone saying "womp womp" about the stream where he spoke about how he felt physically unsafe. And now we have the actions of Puella and other admins defending them.
The QSMP community's continued parasocial behavior toward the admins is just very frustrating for me to witness.
🥺��� I really, really appreciate your kind words!! Thank you so much, they mean a lot, genuinely. Hearing I help people stay positive, or even enjoy my posts, on qsmp makes my day, honestly. I'm so glad I get to cheer people up and help them. It inspires me to keep doing just that! :D
Onto what you said, I don't know who needs to read this, but you ARE allowed to respect someone/ support them AND be annoyed by their words or actions. You are allowed to like someone, and dislike some of their actions. You can support the admins, be annoyed by how they were treated by QStudios, and also be disappointed by what they have said or done.
Personally, I'm disappointed by Lea's xenophobia in her interview that was strictly about her experience with the studios. She used this as an opportunity (whether it was intentional or not) to say xenophobic remarks towards the Spanish speaking community. Nevermind, the fact she never apologised for, and, even tried to justify, doxxing Quackity. She said that her doxxing Quackity was no where near as bad as what she went through during her time working with QStudios. Doxxing is NEVER the answer. I'm severely disappointed by her ignorance and xenophobia. That does not take away from the fact that she did suffer. I respect she was under poor working conditions and I support her in getting treated correctly and paid fairly. Absolutely I do. But I cannot support and will not support how she treated Quackity or the Spanish speaking community.
You can draw your own conclusions and do your own research on the matter. I am not here to tell you what to think. Those are just my thoughts.
In terms of Pomme, I'm not aware of much she's done. I know her support to Otipep and I read somewhere that she did not translate her statement leaving Qsmp into Spanish, but did so for all Portuguese and English. To be perfectly honest, if she had only posted it in French, I would not have cared or been mad. We can translate it ourselves or use an accommodation to do so. She should not have to do that for us, but she did and proceeded to and leave out Spanish as part of the transition, and, again, i dont know if that was intentional or not. But she didnt make an attempt to fix it. (Korean speakers were not yet added at this point).
I want to say one last thing about the admins:
You cannot fight xenophobia with xenophobia. It's inexcusable and unjustifiable. Support the workers rights and conditions, but under no circumstances, does that allow for xenophobia to go unnoticed. You can do both.
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cadybear420 · 28 days ago
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Something I actually forget a lot is that after i finished OG HSS for the first time, I was very apprehensive to play HSS:CA because I knew it was gonna focus on a new cast and it made me upset that I could no longer play as my original MC. Then someone in a discord server I was in tells me that there are cameos of OG MC and their LI and that's what convinced me to start it sooner, just so I could have those crumbs.
And funnily enough but at the time I did enjoy class act more or less. Like, the new cast was solid. The stories were interesting. I did even enjoy the appearances of the OG gang. Though something maybe felt off about it all and it was only some months later that I was like "wait a minute, they made all the OG gang useless and gave them a shit sendoff".
Looking back on it I feel like a lot of my enjoyment at the time was kind of a superficial "initial dopamine effect" thing? At least when it came to the OG character cameos. Like the initial effect of seeing them and seeing my MC and Aiden interact is really cute, but when you really think about it they weren't really integrated, even in Book 3 which should have been way more exciting. And also making the OG HSS MC a NPC kinda butchers the point of their character. And also their sendoff was shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttt
And the rest of HSS:CA is a weird situation because it isn't outright bad, it even has a lot of good ideas and there are some aspects of the new group I enjoyed. I think I did overrate it in my old tierlists, but otherwise I would say the stories are... decent. But also it barely felt like HSS. And switching to this new cast felt so arbitrary and unjustified. Like, the Prime crew had 5+ years (IRL) of stories. Surely a couple more years IRL with the OG Choices gang wouldn't hurt??? I wanna do that spotlite trip as my OG MC lol.
Hoping to replay HSS:CA very soon (perhaps after I go through the other 50 million choices books I started and now have on hiatus, or not, who knows). It has been 3 and a half years since I last played it (which is why I try not to complain about it as much as I did when I first made this blog) but I really do wonder how well the story would hold up to me now.
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generational-atrophy · 1 year ago
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What if Japan and America taught p/o martial arts along with firearms because they wanted to be like John Wick? P/o stands for platonic other.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xSM_nz6gKOI&pp=ygUVam9obiB3aWNrIGZpZ2h0IHNjZW5l
hetalia japan and america teaching their friend martial arts
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0.5k words ~ gender neutral headcanons
tw: guns, but thats it!
a/n: guys im so sorry i have 3 extracirculars n a full load of college classes with my high school ones and also russian lessons all the time im TRYING to get to requests 💀
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Kiku would be a little apprehensive about teaching you that kind of thing. Although he can't help but maintain his skills, he likes to think that that stuff is behind him.
Although if you pestered him enough, he'd give in.
During feudal times, he felt that joining any clan would be betraying his country. By swearing his loyalty to an individual, he would be giving up his promise to protect his people above anything else.
Because of this, he lived as a ronin for many years. He trained extensively in kyudo, tanto, kenjutsu, and other now-extinct forms of battle.
But if you're serious about this, he is not going to be a kind teacher. He's going to train you like he was trained... or well, as close as he can get. It's hard to get completely connected to the natural world when there's a plane overhead every hour.
He acts completely different to how you've seen him. He's not afraid to be rude and hurtful anymore, to the point that he may hurt you pretty badly in your training. But, you can tell how much this is his element.
However, he's going to teach you the spiritual aspects of the fighting techniques as well. He expects you to follow bushido if you're going to use these skills. At least, as much as you can nowadays.
He's not big on firearms though. You'll have to go to Alfred for that. Kiku finds them too... gruesome. He believes strongly that it's an unjustifiably terrible way to die, so he wouldn't teach you to use them.
America
Alfred would be the perfect friend to ask for that kind of thing. Although he's lacking in a lot of technical knowledge, he's very good at pulling off those movie stunts.
(When he was younger and being trained by others,  he always insisted on doing the flashy stuff first. And uh... none of those mentors lasted very long.)
As a teacher, he'd be very patient but not very... good at teaching, exactly. He'd do the thing you wanted to do, but he wouldn't know the steps. It'd just be a lot of “Just do it!” which, obviously, tells you nothing.
He's quite good at teaching you self-defense stuff specifically. It's the only thing he's super good at. Though, he really has no handle on his strength. He might push you to the ground, or he might throw you out a window. It's a roll of the dice.
Also, he's a firearm collector! He's even kept some from when he was first born (Yes, he had guns when he was a baby. He's an American, after all!) You can't play around with the older ones, but the modern ones, you always have permission to take ‘em.
But he's gonna make sure you're super safe with them, also. Like, you can borrow them, but you can't take off even a single safety measure unless he's watching. Even after months of you doing crazy trick shots with them, he's still paranoid.
He loves you showing you cool tricks to do that you just... can't physically do. Like it's great that YOU can basically tear out your arm to do that, but I CAN'T!
But he'd be great at that (: he's a good friend.
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titoist · 4 months ago
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to anon who sent me the previous two asks,
i understand. for all the spitefulness i might sometimes feel about the nature of anonymous messages in this or that way, the 'selfish' position i imagine it taking up with relation to my being -- it's not like i can deny the situational usefulness of anonymity. when it dares to present itself, when it is in a situation where it even presents itself as a feasible option, it also tends to naturally assert itself as almost necessary. of course, there is still a central vulnerability to anonymity. it is not a one-way street. i always felt a kind of shame in being anonymous. i do not mean that anonymity is 'cowardly', to be contrasted with just 'bravely' letting yourself exist out in the open or what-not. but for the person embroiled in it, there's a vulnerability to choosing to be anonymous at all. it's what makes it still so painful when, for instance, an anonymous message is mocked or poorly received. you cannot ever scrub yourself entirely. you still know i think about it with the intensity of someone who spent a lot of their years perversely valuing & craving the words of strangers precisely because i did not know them. i don't know, though. there's only so much that can be extracted from or about it. maybe the most crucial observation is just: i write all of my posts from the perspective of a general observership, a viewer. for any iota of expression, i instinctively presuppose judgement. each sentence is contrasted with how i imagine an omnipotent force might impersonally but viciously tear into my pronunciation of that sentence, and it is iteratively amended until i imagine there either being no room for such viciousness, or allow myself to feel that such a viciousness would, in a sense, be 'unjustifiable'. this observership is both far from being abstract, spread across a great number of things, & far from being concrete, individual. it is a gestalt consciousness -- and i think many people do have this vague quality of 'the gaze', habitually lodged in their minds. but here is, i think, the difference: my gestalt consciousness can, and often does... talk back to me! really! and that can be pretty scary sometimes!
while writing the last reply. i was half-worried that it was not vague, was not 'obfuscating' enough with respect to your expression. but i am glad that it is at least sufficient. tentatively sufficient, if nothing else.
right, right. i guess it is a bit dumb that, with 'textual', i ran with the assumption of... the literal act of communicating via text. i had considered 'textual' as a reflection of interconnectedness. or, rather, people as a reflection of textuality. but i thought it vague enough that i would rather have suffered the crime of wrongness via generalization rather than wrongness via specificity.
thank you. i do not really feel myself capable of taking responsibility for compliments or kindness which comes my way. i assign it to the kind nature of people which only happens to be directed arbitrarily in my direction. or, if i accept that it is a unique kindness, i feel that the thing complimented or valued is a quality not entirely my own. wrestled away or conjured or otherwise not 'innately' within me -- and thus, the compliment lingers through me like a ghost. this has always felt paradoxically selfish to me. as if, by constantly insistingly humbling myself in a kind of perverted altruism, i am taking other people's kindness & negating it, leaving it with no outlet, ruining it, taking it for granted. i will attempt to not take your kindness & appreciation for granted.
i forgive you for not being ready yet, even though i do not think you need to be sorry. it is okay. thank you for reaching out. much love.
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sw2-serials · 7 months ago
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Anne Has To Try the Hairbrush
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(you would think from a spanking like this one ^^^ that that’s all Anne would need to do!)
Anne can act rather strict at times but she’s not exactly scary.  Oh, she can give me a spanking I’d prefer to avoid and leave me plenty sore - but only because I deserve it.  And to be honest, the leather paddle is more for fun and the slipper is just to save her hand.  She’s been on the receiving end of a hairbrush or belt or even a cane but to say she’s mere hesitant to use one on me is more than an understatement.
But at some point, what could she do?
Among ‘spanking I don’t like’, they’re usually for being a brat, not listening, or not following directions (usually from not listening!).  The small ones are, anyway.  The big ones are usually for when she gives me serious advice and I repeatedly don’t follow it (because it’s hard!) or sometimes when I’m in a ‘procrastination rut’ and nothing else will get me out of it.  Maybe for embarrassing her, oh and, in case you missed it, when I needed one for saying the worst possible thing to Nicole about Megan.  (Hmm, I was thinking there weren’t many reasons but now that I count them…)
Honestly, from time to time I could really use more - a lot more (we’re working on a solution to this) - but I understand the she’s not comfortable with it and I’m not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  Still, I know that she feels, sometimes, that she needs to suck it up and up her game.
Recently I got a set of those ‘procrastination’ spankings that was really well-earned and, frankly, long overdue.  Multiple trips over her lap to get me started and keep me going - yeow!  I was sore in a way I hadn’t been since some early bike rides!
Unfortunately, there was another issue lurking beneath my procrastinating behavior (which, as I said, I failed to bring to Anne’s attention until it had gone on far, far too long (sort of like some of the spankings I got for it!)).  My absolute inability to pull myself out of this completely unjustified stalling without help was having a strongly negative effect on my self-opinion!  (I would go into more detail but telling you all about it would probably lead to the same kind of thoughts I needed to be spanked for.)
Anne felt that, for this, she would have to resort to the hairbrush.  I deserved such a spanking (though I didn’t want it) and understood that she was quite justified; I would have even if she had suggested something more severe.  That didn’t mean I expected to enjoy it!  In fact, I felt a little bad for making Anne do it (a feeling she discourages, so I minimized it).
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Let's just say that Anne didn't seem to have all that hard a time overcoming her reservations - nowhere near as hard a time as I had trying to 'be good' and hold still for her! (I just couldn't!)
She ended up having to pin my legs down and hold my arm back but she was really encouraging, saying, "You’re taking your spanking admirably well, like always, sweetheart. Just one more minute to go, then you’ve made it through yet another punishment. You can wear those red marks on your buns with so much pride."
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One more minute is a long time!
Then she switched back to her hand at the end, which felt 'nicer' somehow, (even though it still hurt!) and even rubbed some of the sting out afterward!
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It was more of a spanking than I'd gotten for anything else so far and not anything I was in a big hurry to repeat (though, to me truthful, it made me feel all the closer to her!). And while Anne didn't feel like she had been worrying over nothing, she did say she was a lot more comfortable with the idea now that she'd seen that it was pretty 'safe' for my bottom (especially after some... mmm... lotion at bedtime!).
I guess you would have to say that, for good or bad, our 'hairbrush trial' was a complete success!
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count-doodoo · 1 year ago
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dooku: jedi lost: part 3: liveblog part 1
ok. time for part 3!
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god the snark is 10/10. a credit to her lineage.
side note the courage of star wars authors to describe weird gross slime aliens is beyond me.
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IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE SERIES OF EVENTS CORRECTLY YES KY. YES YOU DID FAIL HER. (you can just???? adopt a kid and take her into danger constantly without even notifying next of kin in case something happens to you????)
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SERIOUSLY. WHAT HAPPENED KY. WHY. (especially since he keeps insisting that dooku is lying about the jedi abandoning him. which means, if this is really ky, that he abandoned the jedi. that he's the sole decision maker responsible for depriving asajj of a support system.) either way, 10/10 for asajj immediately picking up on making fun of yoda. she's gonna meet him for the first time and be like "do i need to uproot a tree for you??"
the icon we don't deserve honestly.
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OLD FRIEND?????? YOU'RE SEVENTEEN SIFO.
(although i suppose when i was seventeen i also felt quite ancient. but i wasn't going around calling people "old friend" lmao. then again i didn't have any friends quite like dooku.)
ALSO 17 YO DOOKU HAS A DISTINGUISHED REGAL BEARD
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y'all i love sifo the seer but. i was enjoying their stupid childhood shenanigans WITHOUT visions! let them run around breaking into library vaults ugh. and they were being so cute before!!!! sifo brought back a cute souvenir from his mission for doo!!!! and then he BROKE IT BECAUSE VISION??? I RESENT THE ANGST!!!!
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if i were dooku here i would probably once again draw my saber on lene and be like SINCE HE LEARNED TO OPEN HIS MIND??? WHAT DID YOU DRUG HIM WITH
(seriously i feel like i see a lot more love for lene in fandom than i'm feeling for her here. maybe she'll grow on me by the end of the book? but right now it really feels like she's just dragging two bright eyed boys into stupid dark side shenanigans without real care for the consequences. or maybe i'm just crying because hindsight is 20/20 and DOOKSY DESERVED BETTER 2KFOREVA.)
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now that i've judged lene's take on sifo's visions, it's time to judge yoda for his.
a WARNING would not go amiss sir??? like this isn't "my vision said to commission a bunch of clones" or "my vision said to murder this guy" or something like that. this is just "hey what if we warn them of a potential natural disaster so they can prepare". what's misleading there??? no you don't want to create unjustified panic but making sure emergency systems are in place is always good especially if you have any reason to believe they may be necessary. this is like straight up due diligence??
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i am kind of fascinated by this bit. i have somewhat mixed feelings about it, tbh; not sure that i'm a fan of the "he's always been obsessed with fire and damnation" take on dooku. i mean it doesn't not work, such a serious kid probably would have a relatively detached and academic take on armageddon, but... idk. reveling feels a step too far?
anyways, the other side of the mixed feelings is that i really love that end bit. "i knew the universe would endure, and if it didn't, it wouldn't be because of gods or powers beyond our understanding" is such a banger line. i'm just not sure it feels like a line that belongs /here/ exactly yk??
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DOO DOVE IN TO RESCUE SI!! SI INJURED HIMSELF IN A SEA OF BACTA!!! i'm not happy he's hurt it's just these boys are so fucking precious. and stupid. doo doo doo dum dums
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THE OLD FASHIONED WAY IS JUMPING OUT A WINDOW. DOOKU IS A CHAOS GREMLIN. don't let him trick you into believing otherwise. he'll act like he's the most sensible one of the disaster lineage while he's the one who became a sith and is leading a separatist movement.
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bimboficationblues · 6 months ago
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Elden Ring spoilers, here be dragons, etc.
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my take on how much I enjoyed the main bosses of the expansion. overall the DLC has some of my all-time faves of the game (as you can see, I liked more than I didn't). unfortunately the final boss is up there with Bed of Chaos in terms of an "unpleasant time" I've had in contemporary FromSoftware games, its first phase being a rehash of a base game boss with a wonkier camera (and just generally aping the design instincts of other main fights like Godfrey/Hoarah Loux), and the second phase tanks performance so evading becomes guesswork. as for the "great enemy and below" bosses, I mostly liked them - the Hippo was fun, the Demi-Human Swordmaster was really great, the new dragons were cool, I find the Furnace Golems a bit tedious but they're at least unique. most of the humanoid enemies weren't really much to write home about, but I still have some minor dungeons to explore that might change my tune.
the new levels were generally fun to explore and there wasn't anything super aggravating like the Lake of Rot. the art direction of the levels was interesting - I liked the sort of "dark reflection" of the base game's world but think there could have been a bit harder of a lean into that quality, it sometimes just felt like a remix of areas we'd already been. there's a stealth section in the Abyssal Woods; it turns out rather underwhelming, but it's initially quite unsettling. I think the new upgrade system is pretty ill-conceived by essentially making exploration into a chore checklist, though I understand that the devs had to solve a tricky design problem (how do we prevent people from just steamrolling through this with their end-of-game characters from two years ago).
there's been a lot of hate about the story/lore writing but I think that's largely unjustified - the only real decision I dislike is, again, the reuse of Radahn instead of giving the opportunity to see Godwyn in his prime (Ghostflame/holy combination boss, which would make sense given the repeated use of Ghostflame dragons throughout the DLC) or something similar. I can see how that might have been hard to pull off given Ranni's killing of Godwyn's soul, but I think they still could have cooked up a more interesting take on the Lothric/Lorian redux type boss. the expansion of Marika, Miquella, and their personal characters was pretty compelling to me, as were various revelations around factions and groups from the base game, and overall I felt that it added a lot thematically to the base game's narrative. the NPC questlines seem cool and really tie things together into Miquella, but pursuing the quests felt mostly out of the way to me - I kind of managed to lock myself out of most of them inadvertently, which was a letdown.
ultimately I think it's pretty solid, definitely more enjoyable to me than e.g. the Dark Souls III DLCs, but that's not saying much given my general feelings on that game. not quite at the level of the Bloodborne or Dark Souls expansions, which now feel crucial to the main experience - I could see myself flipping a coin on whether I would revisit this as part of a new playthrough, whereas I usually feel super-eager to seek out optional dungeons and bosses from the base game.
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msfbgraves · 1 year ago
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(to punish him for not accepting Terry's apology earlier.)
Of all the Knights and Pawns revelations, this one is the most hurtful. By far. Punishing your own spouse—after you have raped them, with your own children only rooms away, because they didn’t forgive you the next day—by fucking someone else. Just. OMG. That’s so terrible on every way. Drunk or not that’s not the point; that’s the excuse for being so incredibly, disgustingly vindictive. Then, after, keeping the cheating hush hush for several years, and having your spouse—who by then has forgiven you, given you two more beautiful kids, and still continues to love you—find out by having someone else, an outsider, tell them at a funeral. Out of the blue. So now, another person knows, so now there’s embarrassment and shame too that this domestic issue is known outside of the family. 
I don’t think there are words enough for how disgusting and foul and most of all—incredibly cruel and deeply abusive—Terry is for doing these things. It’s beyond awful in every single way. The sheer amount of emotional distress Daniel has to go through because of this total asshole. 
I suppose Daniel would only become the perfect spouse if he had just forgiven Terry the next day after what happened that night—then Terry wouldn’t have had to go off the rails even more and punish him!! See, it’s all Daniel’s fault of course. 
🤢 🤮 
Makes me almost wish Daniel had ended up with Kumiko or Johnny or even Chozen in this verse. None of them—not even Johnny—would ever do something like this, canon included. Hell, I highly doubt canon!Kreese would stoop this low. 
(He always asked himself if he wasn't good enough, somehow, but he's not too bothered by it) Arghhhh. I know he’s not bothered by it, but just the fact that he asks himself this question in the first place is awful. Clearly the poor thing who does so much and really is a wonderful spouse is either not being shown and told how much he’s loved, how good he is—or he has some deep insecurity thanks to Terry. Maybe all at once.
(But that fear soon proves unjustified.) Uh, okay. So Terry is nice to him after spilling the beans. How kind of him. 🙄 I hate that Daniel even felt scared, that he wondered if Terry was gonna act like a dick after…well, acting like a dick. Honestly, the parts of the fic where Terry gets nasty gives me domestic violence vibes. He sucks. 
(It makes him feel lonely and unappreciated) 😭 😭 😭 Ooof that stings. Daniel of all people, even in canon, needs to be shown and told that’s he’s loved and appreciated. The moment those affirmations are taken from him…
(the puppies are BIG MAD at Daddy for that. Not. Again.) No no, puppies, by all means! He deserves it. Which makes me ask—do the older puppies know what’s up? Or do they at least suspect? Sam maybe. Even Robby considering how he’s a Mama’s boy. 
Arghhh. I just wanna give Daniel all the cuddles and snuggles. He’s too sweet for all this misery. 
Anyway, those are my thoughts. And I just wanted to say this is 1000% not hate. I very much enjoy this story, very much enjoy all the installments (even when they hurt!), and very much enjoy the world building, and still want them to be happy, curse my nasty Silverusso heart. I also very much enjoy your writing, and again, love this one in particular! So thank you very much for writing it, even if I now dislike Terry a lot lol.
Anyway, Daniel could do much better than Terry Silver here. That man will never deserve having this cutiepie in this life. Not one bit. 
Nonnie, first off, thank you for this incredibly kind and heartfelt message. Writers always want to evoke a response in people, and it's entirely fine if that response is anger at one of the characters. I do the same! So no hate, I get it <3
As for Terry - he married Daniel at gunpoint, knowing full well the boy didn't want him and the family wanted him dead. You'd need to be a certain kind of entitled and dismissive of other people's feelings to do that. Truly considerate people don't do that. They don't. So, did I expect that to never rear its head?
But he's sweet and loving and kind - yeah, because he wants to be. He wants a home, he wants genuine love, and he's arrogant enough to think that he should get it whatever he does. Oh, sure, he'll apologise, if only for himself, because he does feel guilty. But this whole marriage was begun on his turf, and he completely expects it to stay that way, because... Well, because he wants it to. And what Terry wants, Terry gets, that's how it works!
And then Daniel doesn't play. He straight up leaves, and that is not allowed. Like Michael standing up to him wasn't allowed. And he can't do anything and he feels bad and worried and vulnerable and other people are supposed to make that right for him and they're not. If he can't take Daniel, he'll take someone else that'll show him....
(Did Don LaRusso expect this would happen? He factored it in, he can't not have. But he needed a few years to get his strength back, after which he'd dispose of that Irishman and take his family home if need be... Conveniently forgetting that caro Daniele would again have to be hurt in the process!)
But now, there's love. Such profound love, because you can't marry Daniel LaRusso and not open up a well of love inside yourself you had no idea existed. Doesn't happen. And when Terry bodily feels the difference between his Danny and some other omega... after feeling the absolute shock in his house without that sweet boy.... How shaken his pups are without their Mama, how bereft he feels without his baby son, too...
Finally his ego shuts up long enough for his heart to feel "You dun fucked up, you lowlife." Nobody save John Kreese would ever tell him this and John Kreese he also doesn't always heed.
Should he have known this before? Of course. But people who understand this, in their soul, don't become Mob bosses, and if they do, they don't force people into marriage with them. In fact, a lot of people like that don't even realise what they're doing then, they simply go "huh?" when their wives put rat poison in their food.
The biggest issue now is that Terry knows he's had a change of heart - he really has - but in the ten years in between, Daniel can't know that. At any point, Terry can do something like that again and then where will he be? So in a way, it is a blessing in disguise because not only has Terry not done something violent to him again, after this happens and Daniel again decides to wait and see - he doesn't change. He doesn't have a tantrum, he doesn't try to get back at him, he doesn't get dismissive, he sincerely apologises and explains and in a very backwards way, this is actually a relief to Daniel because at least it gives him the opportunity to say: "Hey asshole, what did I ever do to you?"
And Terry is scared out of his mind because he knows, viscerally, what he stands to lose, he knows what it cost to get it back and he knows that he probably couldn't do it again.
So yes, Daniel is hurt and puppies are incensed - by now, the eldest are 16, 15 and 14 years old, Robby is nearly 13, and people at that age don't accept any excuses. They haven't had to compromise and they definitely don't understand why anyone should have to. If Mama inexplicably doesn't murder Daddy in his bed, they're not letting him get away with it. Sammy, Yasmin and Eli remember very well how Mama and Daddy had a huge fight and had to go away forever to make up. And they remember the feeling of being so upset when Mama was. No, in their way, they're tearing Terry a new one. For Daddy to endanger their safe haven, they won't have it and there's four or them and only one of him.
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Whatre your thoughts on amitus arc?
(I'm assuming that was meant to say Amity so sorry if I'm wrong)
Amity’s whole character at the beginning was honestly pretty interesting to me. We’re introduced to her and immediately learn that she’s the stereotypical bully character and we aren’t meant to like her. However, it was hard to think about her anger towards Luz and Willow over what they did at Hexside as unjustifiable. I mean, I’d also be pretty mad if someone cheated at something I’ve been practicing hard at and making me look bad. Amity’s bullying was not okay, but it was hard to feel bad for her when she was the one being antagonized in that moment.
Then, almost the same exact thing happens again with the witch’s duel at the Covention except now we actually get to see just how upset over it Amity is. She isn’t just mad, she’s making it obvious that she’s the one who feels bullied and Luz gets to see it as well. I think that was probably one of the most important moments for not only Amity to understand that Luz isn’t trying to hurt her, but for Luz and us as the audience to realize that Amity might have something more to her than just being a bully. Then of course we find out about the Blight parents and Amity’s motives, and while it doesn’t justify her bullying, it does make her a little more sympathetic of a character. She’s just a kid being manipulated by her parents and made to do something she doesn’t have to.
My main problem, however, (and maybe I’m forgetting something) is that Amity was WAY too harsh on Willow. Her parents just said that they couldn’t be friends, not that she had to bully and berate her for the rest of their lives. Maybe it was to fit in with Boscha and Skara more or whatever, but it just felt kind of unnecessary? She could have just stopped talking to Willow and left it at that but she went out of her way to make Willow feel terrible all the time. Even if she ended up being just a minor bully who said mean things in front of her friends, it would still be more believable than when her first appearance had been her absolutely digging into Willow when they were completely alone and thought no one was watching. It almost felt like Amity actually liked bullying Willow.
I do wish that we could have seen more of Amity and Willow actually patching up their friendship, since the bullying was how we were introduced to both of them in the first place. Instead it was just Willow saying the mindscape incident was a start but they “weren’t friends yet” to them being back to being besties almost. You can use the whole “well a lot of time passed between then” excuse but the problem is that we don’t get to see that time passing, which is kind of a vital part for viewers. But don’t get me wrong, this is one point that im entirely blaming Disney for tho, not the writers. I’m hoping that if given the chance, the crew would have actually showed us more of that development.
I do think, for the most part, Amity’s redemption arc was done pretty well. She’s definitely a different person in S3 than she was in S1 and there’s a clear line of events that happened that made her that way. It’s really just that one aspect of her that I don’t understand why it had to happen in the first place- the bullying. It didn’t make sense to me. There was really no reason for it and it kinda just makes Amity seem like a genuinely bad person at the beginning. I hate to bring up Zuko’s redemption in ATLA cause I feel like everyone does that but it really is such a well written arc that its hard not to. With Zuko, we can see that he has a messed up goal but right off the bat, we know and can sort of sympathize with his reason for doing it. He’s been banished from his home and the only way he can return and make his father proud is to capture the Avatar. We might not agree with it, but we can understand it. With Amity, we don’t really understand why she was being a bully in the first place, even after finding out about her parents, and combined with the fact that we never got to see the resolving tension between her and her bully victim does make her redemption fall a little flat.
I LOVE Amity. I’m glad she got redeemed and I do think she deserved it. I just wish it had been a little more fleshed out than it was. Even if they threw in a dumb reason for her turning to bullying, it would still have been better than no reason at all.
In my head, I've been justifying it as Amity trying to emulate her mother, which makes sense, but if that's the reason I feel like it wasn't as obvious as it should have been at the beginning. We don't even get introduced to Odalia until well beyond the point we're meant to start caring about Amity.
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What did you think of TLOU ep5 and the changes to the game? I honestly thought they did things better in the show.
Honestly same, I really liked it. This segment of the game is fun to play but much of the story would be lacking on screen without that gameplay, and the action would've felt/looked too unrealistic on tv I think... like, Joel and co escaping a gazillion-strong army and infinite infected lol.
This got really long so it's under a cut. At the end I talk a bit about tlou2 spoilers although it's marked:
I thought Sam and Henry were great and I liked the changes that were made there, although I have to admit I'd actually forgotten the finer details of their story, eg I had forgotten there was more tension between Henry and Sam in the game. I don't mind them replacing it. I also thought Sam being Deaf and the use of ASL brought an interesting element to their story that wasn't in the game. I thought Sam and Ellie's bonding was adorable. Also... henry... 👀
In my ep 4 post I was worried maybe they'd make Henry somehow "deserving" of his fate, vs game Henry being an innocent. And I suppose they kind of did make him guilty... but it was an extremely sympathetic reason VS Kathleen being utterly unreasonable (more on that below) so I was fine with it in the end.
I gotta say even though I knew it was likely Sam and Henry would have the same fate as their game counterparts, Ellie's "my blood is medicine" got me fhklghldfkg I was like well that makes no sense but I'll allow it" bc I wanted poor Sam to be ok :( Ellie sis I feel u.
My #unpopular opinion, I think, is that I don't really like the angle the show is taking of "the infected are still themselves inside". I guess it's meant to be part of the body horror and stuff. Maybe I'm just being a game purist. It just seems a bit goofy to me and I can't really embrace it lol. Reminds me of the James portions of TWDG s4 which I fucking hated.
The action sequence at the end was incredible imo, felt simultaneously very game-like (Leo pointing meme @ the sniper) while improving adapting the source material well. The infected surging out of the ground, the Bloater, etc, were all really well done I thought. Also the child clicker omg hats off to the baby gymnast bc her movements were creepy as shit.
Joel nailing every shot made me laugh a bit because I fucking suck as the sniper LOL I always get everyone killed sooo many times.
Probably the most contentious bit of the episode is Kathleen. I think she served her purpose well enough -- I've seen plenty of complaints that she wasn't compelling, or that she was too cartoonishly evil, and then I think about how in the game, Philly is just run by an-entirely-men-only military armed force who hunts down Joel+Ellie and every other "tourist" with completely unjustified determination because... uh.... because ? (I get they kill tourists for resources. Surely Joel, Ellie, Henry and Sam are not worth the resources expended to track them down across the fuckin' city lmao. It only works because video game.) So obviously the show had to do SOMETHING else
Anyway, I think Kathleen mostly worked. I don't think she was sympathetic at all but I don't think she needed to be -- whatever sympathy you might briefly feel about her brother is pretty quickly extinguished by her saying she knows he'd want forgiveness but she doesn't give a shit, and then again later by her being like "lmao fuck them kids". I also thought casting Melanie Lynskey to use her softest soccer mom voice while saying heinous shit was great... I feel like the "well she's not threatening" stuff is totally off base lmao I don't know how anyone could draw that conclusion tbh. Are entitled """""nice"""" white women leading a lynch mob not terrifying...??
TLOU2 discussion/spoilers:
Obviously the natural comparison here is Kathleen and Ellie and/or Abby. I think her story hits a lot of those similar notes -- she's blinded by her revenge to her own destruction and the destruction of those around her, etc. So I understand where people are drawing those connections. I don't think it's really, like, fair/accurate to Ellie or Abby to say that Kathleen is exactly the same. I don't even think it's a case of "well if we spent time in Kathleen's shoes we'd understand", a la what TLOU2 did/wanted to do with Abby. Neither Abby nor Ellie mobilize and jeopardize their entire community to exact their revenge -- the former Fireflies come by choice, and so do Dina/Tommy/Jesse. Clearly the collateral damage of their revenge is a huge part of the game, but Ellie and Abby also don't have any "Fuck them kids" scenes where they expressly want to murder children as a punishment for their guardian's sins, lmao. The closest you get is Ellie threatening Lev, which is the bottom of the barrel low point for her character and then she turns it around in the end.
So... I don't know. I mean yes obviously Kathleen serves as a bit of foreshadowing or a "parallel" or whatever, but I do think it's inaccurate to pretend it's hypocritical to judge Kathleen but like Abby or Ellie lol.
My final general thought/slight criticism is that the show isn't especially subtle. I've become a bit more sympathetic to television's lack of subtlety over the years as it has uhhh become clearer to me how much an audience will just straight up miss stuff, lmao, and I think part of the stuff that feels un-subtle feels that way to me as someone who already knows the story intimately and perhaps doesn't read that way to a first time viewer.
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I NEED TO WATCH THE DONGHUA i told myself that i will... and never got around it 😭 i could read the entire novel in like 10 days including a one day break (haha... blackwater arc...) and yet i cant get myself to watch a single episode 😞 duality of a man
hualian is rly just having their little love story full of yearning and pining whle everyone else around them suffer </3 they didn't want us to be happy for too long i fear. we had to feel xie lian's pain or something because that man didnt catch a break in his life either 😭😭
YEAH RIGHT like i understand he xuan. i really do. i would be absolutely furious if someone just stole the life i was meant to have?? not to mention the terrible TERRIBLE fate his family and he xuan himself suffered... no revenge would be enough ngl </3 which really makes me wonder if he felt any kind of true satisfaction after doing it??? the man that ruined his life is dead and his life purpose has been fulfilled, but also sqx suffered a LOT because of that and... man he was innocent at the end of the day!! how do you move on from that!! especially since his relationship with sqx was already so complicated...
it makes me think how swd and hx are kinda similar honestly AAAA moving past the obvious that both are related to water (and funnily enough both sink ships but for different reasons), they both were willing to do a lot for people they care about... swd with the entire fate switching thing to ensure sqx lives a good life, hx with all the things he did during his mortal life to try to help his family... and they both kept things hidden from sqx 😔
DONT EVEN REMIND ME OF THIS AUGHHHH "you called the wrong person" man do you want me to cry. i think yes HAHSHSH IT PAINS ME SO BADLYYY absolutely heartbreaking moment, heart shattered into many pieces dont talk to me im unwell!! i haTE IT THEREEE
THE ART IS SO PRETTY BUT IT HURTSSSS literally cries and evaporates. sqx come on come here im gonna give you a hug MANY HUGS HE NEEDS THEM!!!! need to have a talk with mxtx because he went through all that FOR WHAT
... 😃😃 i do not wish to be a part of this symphony bye bye! count me out! i need to know what inspired that person to do this and have a nice talk why would they do that 😭😭😭 theres nothing sparkles dolphins happiness about beefleaf only despair anguish suffering and my tears
PLS i watched the donghua first when it first released on netflix like a year or two ago and then discovered there was a whole set of novels for the series and my life hasnt been the same since 🧍‍♀️ but yes same here... i really should just set aside time to reread the novel and refresh everything despite all the tears i most definitely will be shedding for the characters ;w;
fr 😭 honestly very much in love with the audio and art choice for the hualian drama tho bc it has both that romantic devotion of hua cheng + xie lian coming to terms with the fact he wanted this, as well as that eerie feeling that smth isnt quite right mainly with hua cheng and his condition + the dark stylistic choice of the art... huhu love it so much .... also qi rong was so 😭😭 he was such a menace i was crying
NO BC??? he xuan having to watch all of that happen to him and his family, watch someone else take the life meant for him, as his whole world comes crashing down from the unjustified deaths of his family and then himself, and then having to watch that person who ended up living his life be so carefree and innocent not knowing what it cost to live as such??? man. i genuinely cannot even begin to fathom how much pain and anguish and grief is in him. and then growing to care for that person, or at least the unyielding kindness in which they showed, must have been another blow to his grief and everything he stood for ;w;
and gosh my baby shi qingxuan basically being the collateral in this scenario and still being willing to accept death as punishment despite not being the one at fault, but if it meant atoning for the sins /him/ and his brother committed to hx and his family then he would go through with it.... and him rather choosing the option to sacrifice himself and switch his fate for one of the other souls as opposed to beheading shi wudu, arguing that its better to live a worse life then die a good life while swd is trying to get him to commit the alternative option bc a life without his brother is a life worse than death itself and he would rather die than see sqx become what would have been, only to switch up after and try to take them both down together bc he was convinced sqx wouldnt be able to live 😭
AND THEN when hx literally um. yknow. to swd arm to separate him from sqx while. um. yknow. despite wanting them both to suffer in some way, but ended up showing that, in his own way, he didnt want sqx to be in pain. sqx screaming crying and basically throwing up definitely moved him even tho he said he wouldnt be moved, and it showed esp during that scene 😭 i think swd picked up on that too bc he started laughing and taunting hx ("what are you laughing at?"//"i laugh at you, thinking you have the upper hand!") into killing him so that sqx wouldnt have to, betting on the fact he could create a third option by using the care hx undeniably has for sqx... he may have been a shitty person, but swd was a great brother ;w;;
also the fact that hx was literally in a lose-lose situation bc he gave them two options and told them they could only pick from those, only to lose composure when swd tried to take both him and sqx down, then got taunted by swd laughing at his misfortune and getting the last laugh while sqx is desperately begging him to stop talking and provoking hx, ultimately leading into hx killing swd himself, and then having to see sqx lose his will to live.... ourgh.... and dont even get me started on the fact he couldnt even move on as a ghost despite fulfilling his meaning for existence (the revenge), and how sqx is basically whats kept him tethered down but he can only watch from the sidelines as sqx lives his life... they shouldve just talked gdi.......
swd: he (sqx) really knew nothing from beginning to end! hx: that's why he's even more hateful! why doesn't he know?!
;w;;
hx: i gave you a chance!
the chance(s) in question probably not even being made clear to sqx and it was just hx assuming that sqx would know it was a "it's me or your brother" kinda choice but each to their own hx ;w;
swd: ...but qingxuan's crime is not punishable by death, you... hx: then who among my family of five is guilty? who should die?
WHEN I SAY THIS BROKE ME I MEAN THIS SHATTERED ME !!! swd saying sqx doesnt deserve to die and hx retaliating with the "then did my entire deserve their unjustifiable deaths?!" will never not destroy me and having heard it in the ad... its a whole other type of depression on god
hx: do you have anything to say? sqx: ...i want to die. hx: dream on.
FUCK THEMMMM I HATE IT HERE WHY CANT WE HAVE NICE THINGS WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE SO TRAGIC WHY COULDNT HX JUST FULFIL HIS REVENGE BY MARRYING SQX BC WE ALL KNOW THAT WOULD PISS SWD OFF THE MOST BUT NO THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS ARC AND THE WORST PART IS ALL THEIR ACTIONS ARE JUSTIFIABLE TO WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH AND OURGHGDFG
laughing through the pain like genuinely. it was so foul to have the hualian teehee but also not really teehee but still very much teehee scene and then go straight into beefleaf depression what is life what is the point of life why am i here just to suffer scene...
(we ignore the one para of hualian compared to the beefleaf essay bc hualian is a whole other bag i am not ready to open with everything they have going on 🧍‍♀️ i need another five years at least to mentally and emotionally recover from the blackwater arc audio drama 🧍‍♀️)
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inklores · 1 year ago
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the meta below contains a reply to a wonderful comment made on the ao3 mirror of chapter 6 that i wanted to explore further but once again, major spoiler alert!
"nothing cuts like a scalpel. or a mother."
i wanted the depiction of a dysfunctional mother-daughter relationship to be more raw so i felt that this two-sentence summary was pretty succinct. i went back and forth with developing xo's mother, including how their conversation would deviate and be manipulated by what is very clearly her disapproval, envy, and secret disdain for her daughter and the choices she made in her life. i was very heavily influenced by the line in barbie: "We mothers stand still so our daughters can look back and see how far they've come."
and while that quote is so tearjerking and heartwarming and pure in a sense, my mind kind of went along with the idea of "what if the mother didn't WANT to stand still?" i guess that's what framed the riffs about aspirations and i hope it's alluded to julieta having had dreams that she had to hang up in order to raise two kids. especially having xo in her 30s (with glossed-over birth complications), it was kind of the nail in the coffin which—while unjustified—explains why she treats xo more of a chore or a laborious entity. and considering the bits and pieces of xo's life that i've dropped, she was seen as a daddy's girl, she got pregnant before marriage but was still able to balance being an accomplished surgeon and mother (though she wrestles with that confidence a LOT), i definitely think there's a bit of jealousy on julieta's end.
writing some of those nasty snipes from a mother to her DAUGHTER was definitely difficult but i like to think of it as a representation of how the apple really does fall far from the tree. it's cruel that a turbulent mother like julieta still has her child while xo was robbed off that. i also love torturing my ocs but yeah teehee :)
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stephen variant was such a fun little scene to kick off xo's surgical life and while he is still the arrogant and ambitious guy that earth-199999's strange was pre-accident, he's still a good guy at his core and was certainly there for xo during the harder parts of her life <3
THE MIGUEL SCENE AS WELL HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART. xo's father, captain solano, is indeed alive in his universe (atsv didn't indicate whether miguel endured the loss of a police captain close to him... food for thought). also not sure if we'll get more of his backstory in btsv but i figured it was a good place to play around in and see what a spider does when (or IF) he ever clocks out. knowing that miguel survives off of guilt and bears many crosses, i wondered how that could be extended to his past and especially earth-928 xo. i briefly allude to this during the scene where he hijacks 510-xo's phone call, but i imagine he was a bystander to some of the fights that his xo and julieta had before her death and that hopeless pain is felt even more by watching history repeat itself. and clearly, with how completely broken the 928-solanos are without xo, i can imagine miguel feels culpable for witnessing that phone call and having dinner with them anyway.
this chapter is very special to me for multiple reasons:
1) it delves more into xo's backstory, career, platonic friendships, and her damaged relationship with what's left of her family. (also meeting victor for the first time but there's obviously some gritty distance between them!)
2) there are distinct cut-offs that are explored with 510-xo and 928-miguel's lives. she has the marriage and the child, and what miguel believes is the "what-could-have-been" ending while miguel is stuck with the "never-knowing." however, the complications of either being gone (a xiomara without a miguel and a miguel without a xiomara), are very different, and it's prevalent in this chapter.
3) just the mother-daughter mess in general 🥲 the fact that julieta is evidently more damaged WITHOUT her daughter than she is with her and it's just ajdfsbjhdfbsj
i'm sure there's more i can talk about this chapter and how xo's dysfunctional relationship with her mother is influenced by the relatively unstable/intricate relationship with the male figures in her life, ALONG with how it affected her own experience with motherhood and marriage but my laptop is quite literally at 1% 🥲
i promise this isn't gonna be a regular thing with my pdtg updates but i just had to explore this chapter a bit more <3 thank you to anyone who read this!!
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2shebears · 8 months ago
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Hey! I have a ton of thoughts on this but I'm also just a rando who saw your post — you tagged it #judaism so it was certainly going to end up in my ecosystem. Feel free to read or not. My bona fides are that I'm a student of international law and indigenous studies writing a massive paper on Israel/Palestine and that I'm a well-educated Jew who spends lots of time online.
When news and activism become social media trends, it can be really hard to talk to people with different knowledge bases and backgrounds than you. Even highly uninformed people tend to feel extremely defensive of their opinions, to the point of searching for sources that play to their confirmation bias and strengthen the unitary narrative they were fed by tiktok/tumblr/instagram. If you want to have a productive dialogue, I strongly encourage you not to come at your Jewish friend with the presupposition that she's brainwashed and that your third eye is open, especially when you keep admitting you know next to nothing about Israel/Palestine.
If you want your friends to be safe and happy, including Jewish friends, I encourage you to work on how you treat and think about Jews. I know that's an intense statement but please don't click away.
You tagged this vent with #judaism and mentioned that "Her family is pretty heavily Jewish, the kind that teaches their kids Israel’s in the right." Instead of saying "her family is pro-Israel" (which you don't seem certain of? It sounds like you don't like her dad and are assuming he's pro-Israel? Idk, at 16 I had very different political opinions from my family and I'd feel so shit if my friends implied I was just eating up what they fed me) you chose to say "Her family is Jewish — the bad kind of Jews." You tagged this with #propaganda and #indoctrination when she didn't even say anything incorrect. A bit naive, to be sure, to think that Israel's warning system has any way to really help Palestinians without cell phones or internet, or that people can evacuate in time. But she's not incorrect that the warning system is in place, nor is she wrong that Hamas is a terrorist group that brutalized Israelis and wants all Jews dead. And I can't stress this enough — it is way more naive and way more shocking that you (an adult) have adopted your aggressive pro-Palestine stance seemingly without knowing about the October 7 massacre.
To be clear, I don't support this war. It's an extremely violent militarized response to a surprise massacre. I was around during 9/11 and the Iraq war, and in my earliest memories I was extremely devastated by that war too. But I can only imagine how I'd have felt if I saw the Iraq war happening without having ever heard of 9/11. This seems to be what you're experiencing right now, and I feel for you. You probably feel gaslit by the world when you see that anyone supports Israel. Of course this seems unimaginably terrible and unjustifiable if you think Palestinians are being killed "For no reason other than Israel not liking them." But when you ask for background info in your tags, I think it's helpful to know that on October 7, 2023, during a sacred holiday where observant Jews don't use electricity, members of Hamas as well as plainclothes Gazans and members of the press crossed the border into Israel and killed more Jews than have been killed in a single day since the Holocaust. Hamas used expensive technology including heavy weaponry, tanks, and paragliders to attack from land and air. If you're the kind of person who thinks Jewish sources are biased (many goyish leftists seem to inherently distrust us), you can look at the United Nations' own statements on the brutal murder, rape, immolation, and kidnapping that occurred on that day. Many pictures and Hamas-filmed videos are available but I wouldn't recommend looking for them.
Now, upon just having learned of this massacre, you told your friend:
"if Israel had never started bulldozing, massacring, and invading Palestine, the chances are so much lower that Hamas would’ve ever done those things."
Do you know that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005? While Israel has continued aggressive militaristic practices and certainly has immeasurable impact on Gazan life pre October 7, and certainly has invaded/encroached upon the West Bank, it sounds like you think Israel has been bulldozing Gaza leading up to Oct 7 (as opposed to bulldozing Gaza as part of its violent response). And since you were all up in arms about your friend "justifying a bombing," do you realize you're justifying the October 7th massacre with information that isn't even true? (I also don't think your friend justified it so much as provided pretty accurate context that was important to her in response to your blatant fabrication that Palestinians are dying "For no reason other than Israel not liking them.")
You're talking to your friend but you're coming into the discussion with your mind made up 100%. I know that's human nature sometimes. And again I am against this war and want a peaceful solution. But it's pretty scary to see you, an adult, ask tumblr how you can browbeat a child into believing your narrative of events, when you seem to have no idea what is happening or what has happened. After witnessing the suffering of Palestinians, you jumped to a moral narrative of "Jews bad and brainwashing their children" instead of "this war is bad and I want peace."
Your Jewish friend, like nearly every other Jew on the planet, has lived in fear since October and has seen countless snuff films of her own people. Half the world's Jews live in Israel and most of us know folks who live there. Something like 90% of the world's Jews are in some way in support of Israel or Zionism, not because we're brainwashed or bloodthirsty, but because Zionism is our landback movement, and is part of our religion's 2,000+ year history of longing for our homeland after exile. Not all Jews support displacing Palestinians, and far from all Jews support the current war unconditionally, given Netanyahu's miserable approval rate among Israelis and unpopularity abroad. (Bibi Netanyanu is the Israeli Prime Minister whose cruel policies are an essential piece of this equation.)
You and your Jewish friend can both expand each other's perspectives if you actually have a conversation about this, and if you're both willing to listen. From what I can tell, you're the one unwilling to listen to her, not even stopping for a second to process the enormous information that we were massacred before jumping to tell your friend we probably did something to deserve it. You are almost 10 years older than this person. If you want her to trust you or see you as someone she can talk about hard political issues with, you can't treat her and her entire people as brainwashed ghouls, and you need to understand that individual Jews have real feelings about this and we are all traumatized from October 7. Many of us know people who died or who were taken hostage on October 7. There are still more than 130 hostages in Gaza including babies.
Finally, while I do think NGOs are playing a vital role in this conflict and have donated to Palestinian causes, I finally want to address your final snark to your Jewish friend:
"the bundle is supporting the CHILDREN of Palestine. Not Hamas. Nowhere near Hamas."
So you've learned about Hamas, maybe before this, maybe from your friend (I am surprised you don't know about October 7, so I don't want to assume your background, and I don't mean that in a bad way). Hamas is the democratically elected government of Gaza (though they were elected in the mid 00s and haven't held elections since, so while they were democratically elected they've stayed in power through authoritarian means). They are supposed to manage Gazan life, infrastructure, education.
Do you know where Hamas got money for its advanced operations, its weapons, its luxurious lifestyle while its people starve? Where it gets materials for the tens of thousands of bombs and rockets it has been shooting into Israel for the last twenty years? Aid money. The reason you've seen so much direct aid like GoFundMes is that traditional aid is very hard to administer in Gaza. Hamas takes legitimate aid (and as Gaza's elected government that's not hard for it to do) and funnels it into its mission of destroying Jews and Israel (and its mission of supporting its own higher leadership in style). I do believe Israel is very responsible for the miserable conditions in Gaza. But Hamas is another enormously culpable party that has misdirected aid for decades. I still give, and I think it's best to give even if the money can be misdirected — but did you know that before talking down to your Jewish friend (who probably does know that already)?
The Palestinian Children's Relief Fund does have a statement on how it keeps money from falling into the hands of Hamas, which is reassuring. Many charities don't, and many charities are aligned with Hamas (which makes sense since it's the official government). So despite some controversies in its history, PCRF seems not terribly close with Hamas. But I don't think you should feel relieved that you got this right by accident; responsible activism means actually looking up who you're supporting.
It makes me sad that you're worried about your Jewish friend growing up in a web of lies when you went after her with no knowledge base and tried to push her into agreeing with you. You say you want her to form her own opinions yet want strategies to get her to agree with you. You're another one of the adults in her life and it would be great if your Jewish friend could talk to a non-Jew about Israel/Palestine safely.
Books:
The Israel-Palestine Conflict: a History by James Gelvin
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe (I think "ethnic cleansing" is the actual war crime that describes what Israel did to Palestinians in the nakba... this is possibly a hot take but "genocide," the worst war crime imaginable, is being used as holocaust inversion and to make the only Jewish state look like the most evil state on earth... IMO!!)
Palestinian Identity by Rashid Khalidi (this is an incredible book and needs to be read by all the people who deny that Palestinians are a distinct group — but it also conveys pretty neatly that there was never an independent Palestinian state, and identity as a distinct people called Palestinians as we politically understand it today solidified in the 1970s well after Israel was founded)
Webpages and articles:
UN History of the Question of Palestine
Wikipedia: History of the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict (this is an actually really well-researched article, don't knock it cuz it's Wikipedia)
Reuters History of the Conflict
Other basic points I would prob bring up if we were discussing this in person
1948 is not that recent for a state to be founded — tiktok really likes using this factoid to make Israel sound like some artificial modern construction as if states themselves aren't artificial modern constructions
Indigenous peoples are oppressed by the nation state system and the state system is designed to prop up the interests of western states; I personally don't think the modern state of Israel is good for Jews or Palestinian Arabs
Non-Jews can become Israeli citizens and about 20% are Arab Muslims (mostly Palestinian) and they vote and participate in society
Most Israeli Jews are middle eastern (Americans seem to imagine Jews all look like Scarlett Johansson so I feel like this is important, especially as a Jew of color myself) and they can't "go back to Europe" because they were never from there and because they were ethnically cleansed from Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Ethiopia, Libya etc. and cannot go back there either
I know this may come off as a lot and I do wish you the best, I just felt like so many of the things in your post deserved answering. I would be happy to continue this as a discussion if you're interested.
Vent time!
Hey all.
So, I know I said in my first post that I’m not comfortable with heavy/political topics, but I really need to vent.
I sent a friend the link to the YouTube video for that Palestine bundle. She wasn’t the only one I sent it to, but she was the first to respond;
“Sorry, I stand with Israel but seems like a good deal otherwise.”
So of course I was like “with all due respect, why are you supporting GENODICE?” and she said it was because she;
“[stood] with anyone whose agenda was eradicating terrorism.”
Me, not knowing the full details of the Palestine situation, but knowing enough to know that didn’t sound right, said;
“So innocent Palestinians are terrorists then? People who’ve lost their homes, their family, their lives? For no reason other than Israel not liking them?”
“No the terrorist group Hamas.”
Before I could think of an adequate comeback, she continued;
“Who pillaged, massacred, raped, and reaked havoc onto Israeli citizens on october 7th with full intentions to cause harm and destruction to the Jewish race.”
Me, having not heard about that, was startled long enough for her to send one last message;
“And my heart goes out to all citizens of any country who gets caught in acts of war, but they were warned beforehand when Israel bombed those places. Who even does that in a war?? A country and government who actually cares about its citizens and their enemy’s citizens. They only bombed those places to reach the underground bunkers and tunnels that Hamas was and still is using to hold weapons of mass destruction which would be used on thousands of Israeli citizens with the sole goal to kill Jews.”
Yeah. She justified a bombing.
It took me a while to come up with a decent response to that, and I’m not even sure it’s the most appropriate one, but my feelings were scrambled and I wasn’t quite sure how to convince my friend (who’s only 16 by the way) that terrorism doesn’t justify bombing a place with innocent people, but I tried;
“I’m not defending Hamas at all, they can go to whatever hell they believe in. What I’m saying is that they’re not the only ones doing that. There’s many sides to every war, and if Israel had never started bulldozing, massacring, and invading Palestine, the chances are so much lower that Hamas would’ve ever done those things. I’m not gonna force you to believe me. I’m just gonna end with: the bundle is supporting the CHILDREN of Palestine. Not Hamas. Nowhere near Hamas. It’s supporting the children who never should have to go through the things they did, who are hurting and starving because some adults believe it’s okay to go to war.”
She hasn’t replied. Her notifications are silenced. I don’t know what to do.
Her family is pretty heavily Jewish, the kind that teaches their kids Israel’s in the right (at least on her dad’s side, and that’s who she stays with mostly, which is a problem ‘cause he’s not a good dude and shouldn’t have custody of her, but her mom has mental/neurological issues, so he used that in court (I think, I was only 11 at the time)), and I’m now worried that she’s going to get dragged into things that’ll seriously hurt her.
Mom warned me against having this debate with her again until she’s older and more independent, since living with her dad’s made her sheltered + naive and she’s not old enough to deal with the idea that her family’s been telling lies her whole life.
She’s right, of course, but I’m just so worried now. I don’t want my awesome friend to be brainwashed by this bullshit propaganda. I don’t want her to stop talking to me because she thinks I’m supporting terrorism or something. I want her to form her own opinions and live her youth freely without her closest family shoving lies down her throat.
She and her mom stayed with my family when the whole custody battle happened, and our moms have been friends since, which is how I got back in touch with her a year or two ago. As such, I feel almost a sisterly responsibility as the older one to make sure she’s doing okay/staying safe/etc.
Just.
Argh.
Why is life like this?
Why do people support genocide and try to get their kids supporting it too?
What do they think that results in? Aside from a whole generation of kids who’ll grow up and realize their parents were liars, not to be trusted?
I don’t get it. I don’t want to get it. I just want all my friends to be safe and happy. Is that too much to ask?
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magniloquent-raven · 3 years ago
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as a kali stan first and a stranger things fan like....fourth, i have a lot to say about el's s4 plotline. and most of it is not complimentary 😅
i loved s2 ep7 okay. i know it's been criticized to hell and back, and i get that people think it killed the pacing of the season or whatever, but i fucking adore it. and the complaint i will never understand about it, is that it didn't have a point. or that kali was a superfluous character. because that's bullshit and i will not stand for it.
put simply, the lost sister was about el, someone who's been stripped of her identity since birth, trying to figure out who she is. it's the resolution to a personal arc that they did, in fact, set up earlier.
she literally. spends the episode travelling through her own past trying to find answers. starting with her birth family. she tries to see where she fits there, and finds that she doesn't. she's been hurt too much, she's been shaped by the trauma she's endured, she isn't the blank slate idea of a missing child that her mother went looking for. so she moves on. she isn't jane ives, so who is she.
the lab is where she was raised, so she goes to someone who understands that. who understands eleven. her anger. the pain she's felt. and kali teaches her to embrace that. but as much as kali wants to connect with her, loves her like her mother loved her, they run into the same problem, in reverse. because kali has made her pain her whole life, and el doesn't want to let go of her friends. she doesn't want eleven to define her future. so she leaves kali too. goes back to hawkins, and the family she chose for herself.
and she needed to make that journey. she needed to know who she was to know that she's grown. it's important to her as a character. not to mention the utilitarian plot purpose of her using kali's advice when she closes the gate at the end of the season.
but what does this have to do with s4? everything, babes. everything.
because not only did they do a weird retcon where el gets the "use anger to fuel your powers" advice when she was like, six, from some crusty white boy, but they framed it like her being angry was a bad thing. using anger causes harm to others, using anger made her lash out violently. it's only when, at the end of the flashbacks, she uses a memory of love instead that she's able to tap into a greater power.
which.
okay.
okay......her learning to harness the power of love is all well and good, i think it could've actually been used really well, but. it's a flashback? it's not part of her growing past the person she was in captivity, it's a fucking flashback. like. i cannot stress enough how much it bothers me that the entire drawn out flashback subplot is basically just "well no one liked that episode in s2 so we're just gonna....give them a re-do. but worse."
it either ignores kali's part in the story completely or reframes her as a villain, because her ideology is being paralleled in this guy who gets his jollies torturing animals. and i don't know which option i hate more.
and i cannot get over how much better it could have been if el had consciously run into a roadblock trying to continue using kali's advice while building the kind of life that kali rejected for herself. she keeps trying to use her anger, but finds she can't reach it anymore because she's not the scared little girl she was when it first made her feel powerful. OR it starts to conflict with the quiet life she wants to have. either way it's building off of a lesson she's already learned, and adapting to fit her trajectory as a character. she starts to struggle with her anger, not because kali's advice was bad but because she's grown past it.
like, it wouldn't have even required that much change to the season? el getting bullied and then lashing out violently, because it's what she knows? yeah. and then it starts to ruin her life. not because her anger in the past was unjustified, but because it's incompatible with her attempts to let go and be a healthy well-adjusted person.
i know that canonically el didn't remember any of the shit that happened with 001 so her receiving the same advice twice and not realizing it isn't like, a plot hole or anything, i just think it's sloppy storytelling.
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