#situational discourse

[kyofsonder]

Literally why are yall wishing deayh upon tumblrs ceo over this huge load of nothing? that person was always posting nudes like... yall are embarrassingly yallselves FR.

I don't know what the person who was banned posted prior to the ban. I actually don't follow her and didn't prior to this situation. I do know that what she posted that got her banned was (as far as I'm aware) not a violation of Tumblr TOS and definitley not a nude photo. I do know that this is far from the first time Tumblr's staff and CEO have struck out at harmless posts and hidden behind "Well, there were OTHER things this person posted BEFORE that we didn't like either" and that they almost exclusively target trans women and nonbinary people -- especially transfeminine people -- when they do this song and dance. I do know that this is far from the first time they've ignored the ACTUAL spam bot issues of tag spamming and literal porn posting in favor of targeting real human users for things like generic selfies (which is what got this particular user banned this time) and slightly over-the-top joke posts. I do know that Tumblr as a culture has issues with suspecting trans women of wrongdoing for flimsy reasons, which has been emboldened by staff in the past.

Is joking about wanting the CEO to die an over-the-top reaction, when what we really want is justice and an overall shift in the culture that normalizes transphobia and misogyny and transmisogyny on a systemic level? Are the people who mean it more sincerely than I do and truly want him dead being unfair because they're devaluing a human life in a fit of anger?

Probably. Yeah. I always keep the post that says "deserving is fake and death is bad" in my mind in times like this, and you're right that death isn't a fair thing to wish on even a transphobe. We should definitley all be internalizing "deserving is fake and death is bad" and working on our emotional processing so that isn't where we immediately go when we think of justice and retribution for the injustice we and members of our community/communities have faced. Break the cycle of violence and all that.

But at the same time, not only is that intensive work to be done on an individual-by-individual basis, this is communal catharsis. This is grasping at harsh words and extreme fantasies because we have seen so little real, material justice when one of our own is cast out from a communal space or otherwise denied community or support. When systemic injustic like trans women being targeted -- whether they've done anything wrong in the past or not -- for perfectly innocent posts and being barred from a community where they're meant to be safe happens, there's a very real historic rage in us that needs somewhere to go. In some it's quiet, in some it's less directly connected from the history it comes from, but we're all members and allies of the trans community and we all feel the need for that catharsis.

When a CEO who owns a whole company uses his power like a hammer and slams that down on any individual he wants, like playing Whack-a-Mole at the whim of his investors and algorithms and what little he may know of the demographics his investors favor, it's an understandable knee-jerk reaction that we would wish we also had hammers to return equalizing force on him. It's understandable that we would want the whole system changed and, exhausted by how little we've succeeded to do that on most scales as a community over the years, we wish for a whole restart and the death of the one who's perpetuating the harm.

It's an overreaction. Deserving is fake and death is bad. But it's rooted in things too deep and too messy to untangle, and it clumsily communicates what we're really trying to say: fix things. Make it better. Death to injustice, in so far as we can kill injustice as a thing. Death to harm, in so far as we can kill harm as an act. Death not so much to one CEO or to the staff or to Tumblr as a site, but to the culture of suspicion and malice that continues to target and pick apart trans people.

We just want people to be able to live their lives and run their blogs and not get harassed over it, and if we're overreacting when one of our own is barred from doing that and it's the billionth one of our own in our communal history that's been banned from a communal space... I think, at least for a moment, until we collect ourselves and figure out the appropriate material response (like that harassment report I just reblogged, maybe), we probably deserve to use imprecise words and have over-the-top fantasies.

[caspergs]

every time someone famous is outed as being a shitty person theres people going “this is why you shouldn’t idolize celebrities,” “why are you sad that a bad person is being exposed as a bad person,” like PLEASE just let people be upset that someone they liked sucks

[a-moth-called-mof]

Actually, before I log off for the day, I will say, please don't go labelling Wilbur a narcissist or trying to armchair diagnose him with any cluster B disorders. Having NPD doesn't make someone abusive. Being abusive is what makes someone abusive. By armchair diagnosing an abuser with NPD, it's not only just further stigmatising an already very stigmatised and often misunderstood disorder but also, by framing a mental disorder as "abuser disorder", it almost unintentionally shifts blame away from them as a person and their actions and more towards the mental illness that they may or may not have. This isn't to excuse anything Wilbur's done. Just please keep in mind, people with NPD aren't inherently abusive. Wilbur isn't an abuser because he's a "narcissist", he's an abuser because he's abused people

[catsinaspacesuit]

Quackity is giving some updates about QSMP structural changes:

- He has been on many calls and reading comments, but is still not done.

- People who were in charge some of the financial and administrative wrong doings were fired.

- The QSMP wouldn't last much longer if I had kept going the way I was doing.

- He is basically restarting the administration almost from zero

- There won't be more individual update accounts for each creator or each language at least for a while

- There won't be any eggs or npcs **TEMPORARILY**

-Creators will be in charge of their own lore and the team is not going to intervene in that anymore

- The competitive level is going to slow down

- The server will be in basic terms

- The server might be re opened but that doesn't mean everything is fixed

*feel free to add the things i forgot*

[charliecakess]

he even woke up billzo from his hibernation

GET HIS ASS

[faerygardens]

I think the only reason dream hasn’t unleashed a twitlonger yet is because he knows the minute he does philza minecraft will go in for the kill

[trashfangirlsworld]

I think it's important for people that aren't from the US to know that quackity having his address doxxed isn't just dangerous because crazy fans might show up at his door.

It is incredibly dangerous for any cc that lives in the US to have their address leaked because they can be swatted with just a 911 call, and it can happen more then one time.

I greatly suggest watching qtcinderella's interview with anthony padilla where she specifically talks about multiple experiences with swatting, that were so bad she got actual ptsd from them.

It is extremely important to note that qt and ludwig are white and this is how traumatizing those experiences were for them, even with their privilage. Quackity is not a white man, quackity is a mexican man, living in a country with a police force known for their racism and xenophobia, which has actively gotten many innocent people killed simply because of their race or where they came from. Swatting is danger for any cc, but for quackity it is even more so.

So no, what happened to quackity wasn't just a tiny oopsy daisy, as accidental as it may have started, and I think people that try to justify it or dismiss it are disgusting and I please ask that you stay away from this blog.

[splatattackz]

EDITTED! READ!

og post:

translation;

"its insane quack made a statement in the discord

its point by point what ive been saying for 2 weeks mdrrr"

"basically:

- priority number 1: find a way to financially support everybody. [quackity] doesnt want volunteers because he understands that legally it is too risky, especially with the work laws in other countries that he does not know about.

- if the financial situation is good enough, we bring back the actors, but in the meantime theyre on hold. there are no updates because he doesnt want to make any false promises to them.

- theres little communication because of the legal pressure and due to the partial leaks which can be twisted.

- hes restructuring the entire studio and how it works, and it takes a lot of time. he also doesnt want to pressure too many people currently working to adapt so quickly to these changes. (im guessing its a major overhaul to how everything works[/working methods])"

¹: this is actually diverted i think? but i translated it as "cause issues" or "be wrong" because i think it comes across better? got help and it seems its better translated as "twisted"!

[dykecubes]

I just find it interesting that a multiple women on the dsmp have come forward about facing misogyny behind the scenes and talked very frequently about being ignored or not being supported by the male content creators on the server but it wasn’t until Connor backed up their allegations of misogyny that dream started freaking out about it and dream fans decided that this misogyny didn’t actually happen

[cat-hybridcellbit]

I know that a lot of people are upset that Quackity is not prioritizing communication, but with the absolute legal SNAFU that QSMP Studios has become it’s entirely understandable. This kind of situation, worker’s rights violations in multiple countries and the requirements of each country’s legal system, is a veritable minefield. Your wording has to be incredibly precise over every update, every reassurance. The absolute best he could tell anyone (including former employees and volunteers) is “we are still working on it” because any kind of promise, assurance, etc. could be later treated as a guarantee. Anytime there’s a potential for a lawsuit the advice given is to keep everything sealed up tight until an actionable plan can be implemented.

This is just from my perspective because I am very familiar with how lawyers in multiple industries operate, plus knowing that Quackity has a pre-law background it makes complete sense why this is the way he’s choosing to handle the situation.

TLDR: Yeah the lack of communication doesn’t feel great, especially for the former employees, but there’s actual legal reasons for it and in the long run it’s probably the best option, as much as we may dislike it.

[lacystar]

“He wrote songs about how he was a shitty person why are you surprised” I don’t think you understand how meaningful it is when you deal with self loathing to hear art created from an aligning perspective to see the things you’re not proud of in yourself reflected in someone else. You are not a bad person for relating to what he sang about. I’m sorry the self-awareness he feigned was all so hollow in the end.

[megabuild]

it's actually so weird how people react with such vitriol to the slightest mention of minecraft youtubers like i used to be sympathetic about it because of the whole association with dream and so on but it's gotten to the point where if you've been made aware it's a rich and varied community and you still have that knee jerk reaction of "well they're lame, they're cringe, they're all ugly racist white boys" you are actually just a fucking idiot. i'm sorry. like if you cannot do that most basic level of separation like that there is something fundamentally unformed in your brain you should probably work on

[ecoterrorist-katara]

“It’s gross if Katara marries Zuko since he’s her colonizer” she overthrew the last Fire Lord to put Zuko on the throne. If anything the Fire Nation would be worried that he’s Katara’s puppet

[bugflies00]

sorry this is referencing a few month old post/s you made about the dream situation and a question you’d asked about dream stans, you can delete this msg if you want since it’s not as relevant anymore. Again I’m sorry if this is weird or you don’t gaf (that’s fair bc who does lol)

TW for grooming and dream being fucking gross. You can just scroll fast and delete if you don’t want to read or deal with this, I understand that

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To preface Im about Tommy’s age now, when I was 15-17, used to be a huge dream stan, and I was very vocal about defending him online. —I was extremely parasocial and weird, and looking back on it I really regret how I acted.

So. Idk how much people who weren’t stans of his saw, but dream- as stupid as it sounds- was our friend.

He had bath calls with us, sleep calls with us, he told us in depth about his personal life and his health issues and his trauma and his moods and his habits and just basically everything. Most of his interactions with us was through his discord, and then someone in the fandom would stream his discord calls for people who weren’t there. A running joke was that dream had a parasocial relationship with us. there was absolutely no gap between creator and fan, he followed me more than once, he brought fans onto his discord streams and talked with them and he knew a good amount of us by name. He called us cute and talked about how much we all (as individuals) meant to him,

when drama happened he’d usually either do a space/call or go on his private and vent to us, there were I think two separate times he’d have full panic attacks over drama happening, and we’d have to talk him down. He also would, when responding to callouts or accusations, use arguments that his fans were making.

He did this during almost all his pitfalls, including the grooming allegations, his wording was often taken word for word from tweets by people I was friends with. I dropped him after the initial allegations, but for a while after i still checked in bc i was really hoping he’d be innocent (he wasn’t) and i can confirm he still does this. He also regularly dmed his fans, mostly his black fans, to ask for “help” on being less racist.

I don’t use the word “grooming” lightly, but dream was and is absolutely grooming his audience. Thats why dream stans seem so cult-like these days. The amount of guiltripping, lying, forcing an us vs them mentality, and manipulation I saw this man pull was actually sick. He’d frequently, privately, to us, vent about tommy or quackity, and about how “all his friends hated him” and “we were all he had left” (legit, not joking). He is extremely good at emotional blackmail, he is good at making his fans hate other creators and turn on them, he is very good at utilizing his tears and using wording that he knows will make his mostly teenage fanbase think he’s a good kind person.

He wants to impress on his fans that he really was just a kind person, the only kind person and the only voice of reason. That’s why when the Cantu thing happened, he started posting “messages” of him being so kind to the Uber driver. He needs his fans to think he’s a kind and loving person, and that Tommy and quackity and literally everyone who’s pulled away from him was just a fake friend who couldn’t be trusted. He somehow was always, always the one being fucked over.

I remember when I told my friend about dream (this friend had a completely neutral opinion on him and barely knew the guy beyond his manhunts) and he told me that sounded like grooming.

He gradually isolated his (primarily young, female) fanbase using private accounts, discord calls, Snapchat, and whatever else. He got extremely personal with us far beyond the level any creator should be, he used kindness and flattery (like calling us “mature”. Also legit) to make us feel genuinely loved by him, again, NOT in the way a creator loves their fans. In the way a friend loves their friends, even in the way a partner loves their partner. He lashed out at us and had panic attacks when we did criticize him, he used tactics to make us think he was always right and good, and more than that, make all his detractors seem like terrible people out to get him AND us, he played himself out to be the perpetual victim and used carefully cut clips and emotional manipulation (like how he brought up his ~poor innocent family~ when harassing quackity. Weaponizing trauma like that was something he did ALL THE TIME to us whenever he was criticized.) in order to use us against people he didn’t like, making us take the bullet for him.

He uses his kindness and supposed goodness as a weapon, he used Tommy’s own trauma around doxxing against him when Tommy dared to criticize him (“I supported you when you were getting doxxed, yet you won’t do the same for me?”)

He used trauma to relate to his audience, making us feel like he was the only person who got it.

It’ll sound stupid, but it was genuinely really scarring. The way he made me and my friends feel was so confusing. I often found myself feeling used and violated, but also like I was in debt to him. I dreaded when he’d have fans on call, I dreaded him but also he felt like all I had. The tone of him and the fandom was that “we have to defend him at all costs, they’re out to get him and we’re the last line of support he has”. It was embarrassing, it was stressful, it was horrible. I wasted so much fucking time and energy on him.

it was really traumatic and distressing, especially as a teenager who’d already been at a vulnerable point and used him as an escape originally. I know that sounds melodramatic but I mean it.

He is a groomer through and through. He’s barely getting any new fans, but he’s barely losing any either bc the grasp he has on them is so tight.

Worst of all, if you leave the fandom, you’ll lose your friends and become an enemy. He encourages that behaviour and that mentality. He encourages harassment of his ex-friends, he encourages harassment of anyone who doesn’t like him. He wants you to feel like he’s the only good person, and like he’s the only one who will care about you. And I know at least in my experience that the way I acted when I was a fan of his did genuinely cause me to feel alienated in my social life. I lost friends, I felt like I couldn’t talk to anyone “safely”. That’s how he wants his fans to feel, because at some point he really is all you have.

And that’s why dream stans are still sticking around. It’s at the point where the only way they’ll leave is on their own volition, and the more publicly fucked shit he does, the less hope I have that they’ll do that.

i don’t have much to add but i agree, and several people i know who used to be big dream fans also agreed that there was a heavily insidious ‘us vs them’ atmosphere

[arginnit]

now you people have to be honest with yourselves at some point. does hate watching dsmp (and particularly c! Wilbur related) Vods to pick apart "warning signs " and "red flags" for the ccs behavior actually amount to anything?

what do you gain from saying that "we should have known" aside from pity for yourself?

"I think he wasn't acting in this one" is a particularly insane one I've heard. what do you mean with that? are you implying that Will gold's abusive tendencies where just constantly and proudly displayed to the public on a stream? if it was so clear then why didn't YOU pick up on it back then? is it actually clear or are you purposefully misinterpreting a CHARACTER played by an ACTOR to justify you own guilt for having ever liked either

are you implying that if someone plays a character that is evil, manipulate or even just mean,is because they are secretly all of those things? don't you realize you sound like a kindergartener?

going further, if it was so clearly "not acting" do you seriously believe that not even one of the thousands of people that obsessively analized the lore stream by stream would have said anything?

this post is NOT a defense of William gold, it's a defense of c! Wilbur, which I asume it's clear if you 1) know who I am and 2) know how to read. but I figured I clarify

[trashfangirlsworld]

Hello! I've been inactive due to the current events in the mcyt community, but I've been keeping up with the qsmp admin situation and I thought I'd share some opinions because the amount of doomposting I've seen the last few weeks has been more than I've seen in any fandom in a while and I feel like it's reached the point where people really need to chill the fuck out because they're not thinking straight and actively not helping. Everything I'm gonna say is based on stuff I've seen on both tumblr and twitter.

they should not promote/release merch! : one of the things that baffles me the most tbh; how do you expect any employee to be payed then? Merch is so far the only big source of income for the server besides q's own cc salary or whatever income they get through the official qsmp channel on twitch and youtube (which I don't think is a lot). "I get that they said they have no funds, but still it doesn't feel right"... sorry but at this point I don't know what to tell you, do you expect them to pull money out of their asses? You can't demand that they stop making merch and then complain that they can't afford the twitter admins at the same time. If you don't feel comfortable buying anything from them it's fine obviously, but if your reason for it is that you're helping the admins then I have bad news for you. I have seen people propose that quackity sets up a patreon, and while I think it would be a good idea, I understand why he's not doing it, since with the merch he can at least give something back to the people that choose to support his project instead of people just giving him money for free, especially with what's happening now. Also with how much hate he's been receiving simply for the merch I can't imagine that a patreon would be recieved well.

we don't know if the money is going to the admins/ they should not use pomme's likeness! : the money is definitely going to go to the employees and admins because otherwise the server would not last. And as much as I understand people feeling protective over pomme's admin, quackity studios is very much allowed to sell merch of the character because it is not the likeness of the admin, it's a minecraft model made by the people that work there. Would you have rathered they skip her character entirely? Do you really think that would have been okay?. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen posts and tweets saying that pomme's admin has been confirmed to come back with the other eggs whenever it happens by pierre, who talked with her admin.

the admins of the update accounts got fired, it means they want to fire everyone, they aren't making things better! : it sucks that the updates accounts had to end and I feel bad for every twitter admin that clearly cared a lot about the project, but unfortunately it had to happen if there simply isn't enough money to pay them adequately like they deserved and ultimately the update accounts were not essential to keep the project going, so it makes sense that they were let go unfortunately. This is not gonna be the case for the egg admins because if they got fired (which they didn't), the server would basically end. Just because a cc does not know when they will be back does not mean it's not gonna happen. Just because tubbo randomly said that he's not sure if they will be back does not mean they were fired; tubbo is normally not a reliable source of information, even less so when he's been live nonstop for the past 20 days, which is prior to everything happening. If you genuinely didn't expect a reduction in non essential staff considering everything, then you have unreasonable expectations on how this stuff goes. As I write this, I'm seeing people saying that "they would understand this decision if q had set up a patreon to pay the admins", and once again I don't understand how people don't realize why quackity might not be keen on the idea of having his fans pay his own employees for his own project instead of, you know, doing it himself; and, again, do not fool yourself into thinking it would be recieved well. That being said, it's fair to criticize how everything was communicated to the admins, but I'll get to this in more detail later.

quackity should not have uninstalled social media, he's trying to avoid everything! : he's not avoiding anything, he's been off social media for a while now, which is why it took him that long to remove wilbur from the server. He has every right to not want to look at social media, as his focus should be on restructuring his server instead of doomscrolling on twitter because people think he needs to see how much people dislike him. The only people that he should talk to are those that have important information to tell him, like josè with the document. He explicitly said on stream where to contact him if you have helpful information and I'm sure that despite multiple well liked posts saying not to spam his email, people are definitely doing it anyway, which is probably gonna slow the whole thing down even more. I hope josè's document is able to be seen with pierre's help as well.

quackity studios is not communicating with their employees and leaving them in the dark and that's not okay : I agree with this. i think a huge chunk of doomposting lately has been due the lack of communication not with the audience, but with the admins, and they deserve to know what is happening behind the scenes more then us since this is about their current or future job.... that being said, I do kind of understand why they're being so secretive and shutting everyone out, and that's due to all the "leaks" that have been spread online. I understand the anger but I really wish some people would realize that discussing leaked bts lore stuff in ccs discord servers does not help the situation at all and instead makes it seem like they're only doing this to rile up the fandom against quackity studios by using the lore of people's fav characters.

At the end of the day, I think people just aren't used to dealing with a situation that does not have a clear cut solution and someone to clearly hate, so the result is this doomposting and the over aggressiveness toward anything related to the project. Personally, I haven't witnessed anything that made me lose faith in the qsmp like some people have been saying, as every change that we've seen so far coincides with what quackity said on stream a while ago. I only wish things were communicated properly to the admins clearly, as they're the ones most affected, so I hope that's resolved soon. Ultimately quackity is singlehandedly restructuring the server from basically zero, has had to fire people that were misusing money and power and, depending on what josè's document said, is probably gonna have to fire some more. This is not an easy process, nor a quick one, you're not gonna hear about sunshine and rainbows for a while and doomposting about everything you hear because you expected quick change is useless. Think before you speak, have a clear head and most importantly have empathy.