#sims theory

[pleasantspark]

Bella's Disappearance and Lore SOLVED

TL;DR: Sleuth makes a in universe theory explaining away the Devs mistake in Sims 2, while also being very creative.

NOTE: I am aware of the Bella Goth in Strangetown thing, but allegedly a Sims 2 Dev had said it was an oversight and have said she is canonically dead, I do explain the in universe explanation for it.

As many of you are aware, Bella Goth is the most iconic Sim in the Simsverse. Beloved Bella, she only became Iconic imo due to her Sims 2 reiteration. Currently, I am focusing on Sims 2, Sims 3 and Sims 4 Bella Goth.

Starting with Sims 2 Bella, when you first boot up PleasantView and play with the Goths, Bella is NOWHERE to be seen. Upon looking around and piecing up clues you'll later find out Don Lothario, and the Caliente Sisters were somewhat involved.

Many in the fandom and community has pinned the blame on Don Lothario for his involvement in Bella's disappearance while the game does too, but there's a different explanation for all this. I pin the blame on Nina and Dina who have CLEARLY had motives for it. They are both involved with Don and had him wrapped around their finger.

So, while he was engaged to Cassandra, The Calientes had "convinced" Don to pursue Bella with the promise of getting the share of the inheritance when they eventually Marry Mortimer and either kill him or wait until he dies naturally. There was no way Cassandra would give Don the money and Bella was in the way of their goal to secure the Gold (They didn't think this plan through which also leads to another point later.)

Don, intrigued by this, readily agreed and tried to (and failed) to seduce Bella, all three underestimated Bella's loyalty to Mortimer which led to Dina and Nina contacting their distant relatives, the Aliens. The Aliens abducted Bella, and she was never seen or heard of again.

EXPLAINING THE BELLA GOTH IN STRANGETOWN:

Since Aliens have no use for females in the Sims Series, a Pollination Technician was assign to "absorb" Bella's essence killing her and becoming her (In the same vain as Sims 4 Human Disguises for Aliens). This Bella is NOT the same as Pleasantview Bella as she does NOT have memories of Mortimer or her family, and is exclusively an NPC, in a same way as a PT. Which is my only explanation for this.

Now after they got rid of Bella, the Calientes needed to get rid of Don for failing their mission. So they decided to (It is specifically not said how) dump Lothario in the past, strangely enough there's a Tombstone of a Bella Goth, specifically OUR Bella Goth from Pleasantview in Lunar Lakes. Which ALSO debunks the "Strangetown Bella Goth being Pleasantview Bella Goth" theory. I assume after killing Bella, the Aliens dumped her back in time in Lunar Lakes.

Don Lothario's punishment led him to living in Barnacle Bay and the Calientes misdeeds failing and having them sent away.

Alexander Goth Theory:

It can also be said by someone else that Alex wrote the Murder in Pleasantview books and ended up becoming a scientist to find out his Moms whereabouts, which is a nice theory.

And finally the Sims 4!

This is more than an alternative universe. It's escapism. For majority of the games I believe we exclusively been focusing on a certain goth. Sims One, Mortimer, Sims 2, Bella, Sims 3, the whole Goth family. In the Sims 4, we're focusing on Alexander Goth. I have theorized this is a "alternative world to Sims 2" but takes place in Sims 2's canon but in the fabricated mind of Alexander. Who has not seen his Mom at all. Grief and Refusal to accept things can end with the person handling them in postive ways or negative ways. I believe the whole entirety of the Sims 4 was made from the mind of Alexander a kid who couldn't come to terms with his grief and wanted to build a utopia, a simulation where his Mother was around to raise him.

TO BE CLEAR, Sims 2 Alexander in this Utopia is a Scientist and is grown up, he made a world, in which the Sims 4 is existing. It explains reoccuring characters like The Landgraabs and The Calientes. Although, I wouldn't put it past Alexander to separate them from him and his counterparts family (due to grudges). Most townies are also made without knowledge of them due to how Alexander never personally knew them (I.E. The Dreamers, and Pleasants)

And that is my EXPLANATION.

[noodlesewp]

Gerry and gertrude being fine and dandy means my crack theory from before protocol started can still happen

They may be computers or jonny could be fucking with us

[vertigala]

*Grabs you by the throat* Listen to me you TMAGP-loving freaks. Listen to me right now. RedCanary might be the host for this universe's Jonah Magnus.

This is under the assumption that TMAGP takes place in a parallel universe that may or may not have already had the fears in it prior to Jon releasing them at the end of TMA.

RedCanary goes to explore the Magnus Institute ruins. They become paranoid because the Eye is watching them. They pick up a wooden box with strange symbols carved into it. They go to put it back. Next we hear from them, they post an image of gouged out eyes with the caption "Canaries should stay above ground."

They found the tunnels, hence that caption. Then they found Jonah Magnus's body sitting down there, waiting for a new host.

In this universe, the Magnus Institute burned down in 1999. Maybe in this universe Gertrude went through with her original plan of burning the place to the ground after finding out Elias was actually Jonah in 1997. Either way, let's say Jonah's original body is down there, maybe with Elias's body and his eyes and all that, and with his plans foiled, he's just chilling down there waiting for an opportunity which RedCanary then gives him. This is my going theory due to the specificity of the caption "canaries should stay above ground" (referring to the tunnels, and also it being in third-person) and the fact that RedCanary themselves would be pretty unlikely to be able to post that picture of THEIR OWN EYES GOUGED OUT unless it was Magnus assuming their body and identity and being a freak about it.

But there's more.

Narratively speaking, it makes sense for the third voice in the computer to be Jonah Magnus, right? If Jon and Martin ended up in this universe as voices in a computer, the only other person sharing their fate would have to be Magnus, given how TMA ended. Recall, also, the boot-up sequence in the trailer of TMAGP.

[id: a screenshot of the text from the TMAGP teaser, which says “initializing J.01… OK/initializing M.01… OK/initializing J.02… OK”. end id.]

Jonathan, Martin, and Jonah, right? Unless Augustus is gonna be a new J name or this is just an unrelated easter egg but like. It's Jonah right?? Right??? And he's watching the O.I.R.A through the systems like a good little voyeur, and Colin knows it!

So now we possibly have TWO Jonah Magnuses in this universe!! That's absurd!! One from the TMAGP universe now loose and running around in RedCanary's body, and one from the TMA universe trapped in a computer. But if this is true...doesn't that mean there would be two Jons and Martins too?

And listen...I'm thinking about what Jonny and Alex said during that liveshow panel about this story's themes regarding "what makes a human." If we dare to hope that Jon and Martin (and Jonah, if it's his voice in the computer) are going to gain consciousness and once again become proper characters...then, are they going to simply stay in the computer? Or are they going to "manifest" physically? Are they going to UPLOAD themselves into THEIR OWN TMAGP UNIVERSE BODIES?

@doomatix and I have been going crazy over these theories and they were the one that initially considered RedCanary's new identity as Jonah Magnus. Are our facts wrong? Does any of this even make sense? We haven't seen anyone else posting about this particular theory. Someone help us we are rotting. And don't even get me started on how GWEN would fit into this--

[viideo-kidd]

Been really enjoying how the Magnus Protocol has been playing with the idea of ✨️nostalgia✨️. Sam obsessing over the Magnus Institute, Alice wanting to rekindle her relationship with Sam, Celia looking into familiar names from TMA.  Even the monsters are a bit of a throwback - a mascot from a 90s TV show, a member of British aristocracy, [ERROR] with her cassette tapes.

And on a meta level - the listeners are playing into this nostalgia, too. The theories that Jon/Martin/Jonah are stuck in the computer. Our excitement at hearing familiar voices again. Trying to  assign the Smirke 14 to the O.I.A.R. cases...

The thing is - nostalgia is actually just  corrupting everyone. Sam's obsession is putting the O.I.A.R. crew in danger. Alice's attempts at reshaping their relationship to how it used to be is harming her current friendship with Sam. Celia's investigations just keep leading to dead ends.

And us, the listeners, our inclinations to apply the old lore from TMA to this new series...it might be causing us to miss some big clues in Protocol...

so yeah, I just think it's really cool how Magnus Protocol is playing with the dangers of nostalgia, especially considering it's a sequel!

[macabresymphonies]

To everyone concered about Colin, I just assume he's doing basically what Jon was doing in season two, but competently this time around so that's why we don't hear from him. Settle down people.

[confused--cryptid]

Okay hear me put

what if the fears arent the fears?

like think abt it, the statements so far havent been very afraid.

theyve all been obsession/desires.

Statement 1: Obsessed with seeing him again

Statement 2: Desire to explore the institute (this ones a lil shakier)

Statement 3: Obsession with perfection

Statement 4: Obsession with his ex (who he killed)

also jonny said the fears had been reconfigured, which what if theyve been reconfigured into the desires.

[z0mb13-d0gg]

I think I wanna see what the statements Jon got that were still horrific but not of the unknown or eldritch, like the raw human horrors he had to sift through.

how many people came to Jon convinced they had seen something supernatural but it was nothing of the sort but a traumatic event they experienced but are certain that can’t be real? that something or someone supernatural had something to do with it?

how many people did Jon have to break to people they need to see they police not himself? how many statements did he simply have to turn into the police and hope something good came of it?

did Jon ever end up for hours sometimes trying to find just a shred of any entity in someone’s statement to give them peace?

did he ever yearn for the paranormal statements because humans were terrifying too?

[spiral-man]

I really hope they do q&a’s at the end of each season like they did with MAG, I think it would be really funny if it was just an hour of Jonny and Alex shutting down all of our theories by going “yah this is based on a mistake we made” “this is a coincidence” “I couldn’t think of anything else to name them” “we ran out of voice actors” I just think it would be really silly, just burn us all down in one fell swoop.

[daredevil-vagabond]

THE FAMILY BOUCHARD

[elderwisp]

ꜱᴏᴍᴇᴛɪᴍᴇꜱ ʏᴏᴜ ɢᴏᴛᴛᴀ ᴄʟᴏꜱᴇ ᴀ ᴅᴏᴏʀ ᴛᴏ ᴏᴘᴇɴ ᴀ ᴡɪɴᴅᴏᴡ

[clare-89]

TMAGP THEORY: The deaths were a coverup

Jon and Martin died 20 years ago around the same time the Institute burned down.

It makes sense that their deaths were a coverup from Starkwell, and that they were involved in the Institute.

Idk it just seems weird to me to mention them in 22 and then have them just be dead in 23?

I still think they’re dead in the Protocol universe. But I think there was more to their deaths than we think.

[silasloveslemons]

MAGNUS ARCHIVES CONSPIRACY BOARD

[kaijukebox]

The Admiral Therapy 💜

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Today’s Reference!

[ganemouchie]

Im in the timeline mood don't mind me. The Archivist through the seasons sketches!! plus uh,, the finale.

(click for good quality i beg of thee)

[tired-loverboy]

here they are! I honestly love this ship way more than I expected- I so wish they were canon😔💕

[lizard-queen-izzy]

"Jon and Martin are in the computers" I hear you, I hear you. So then walk with me. A lot of people quote Jon's "I will not become another damn mystery." when they discuss why him being trapped in the computer is tragic. But I think you are all missing the even more devastating quote and the episode it comes from.

“Supplemental. It looks like my posting on a few of the more tech-savvy boards appealing for statements has worked. While the incident itself seems ultimately inconsequential, I was able to convince Tessa to have a look at Gertrude’s laptop, claiming to have locked myself out,”

From MAG 65. And what is MAG 65? Tessa Winters' statement about Sergey Ushanka. The man who tried to upload his consciousness to a computer and got trapped in it.

"While the incident itself seems ultimately inconsequential" Jon, you truly cannot stop being a self-fulfilling prophecy, can you?