#sims theory

[dr-sunshine-md-is-me]

Quick theory bout Lolita Goth and Ravendancer.

So, in Life and Death, Ravendance mentions Lolita being an ancestor of the goths and the Gomes's. How? If she's buried in the yard in the sims 3, how is she an ancestor?

Well, my theory is that she is both.

Idk if you've read @alexplayssimsnstuff 'a bella goth theory, then you know that Lolita is the wife of Alexander and went back in time with him to the Sim3, died of electrocution, presumably from fixing the Time Machine, and was buried until he Goth's yard. So how do we go from here to her being an ancient ancestor of the Goth's

If you've seen Futurama, basically, she's and Alexander are the Fry of this universe.

In Alex's theory, they state that Alexander went back too far and ended up in the time when Bella and Morti were kids and childhood friends and the Time Machine broke. But what if that wasn't their first try? What if on their first try, they went back WAYYY too far? Like, before Simnation?

My theory is that Lolita and Alexander went back to a time before Simnation on accident and they get stuck there for a while. Then, Lolita has a child! Yay! Happy! Except no because it is not Alex's. In the Sims 3 it says that Lolita is single. Why would this be if she was married to Alex? We'll, it's simple. She had an affair with and early ancestor of the Goth family and had a child. So they eventually get divorced. But we ain't there yet. Hold ya horses

Lolita's child is not Alexander's, and he knows this. Once he finally fixed the machine, they're like "we gotta get out of here or else there's gonna be way more timeline meddling and extramarital kiddies" so they bounce, leaving the child behind. That child's father speaks of the ethereal Lolita Goth that he met one day and mothered his child. That child goes on to have a long line of Goth's and tells the story of their mysterious mother. The legend goes on for as while, at least long enough for Ravendancer to hear of it, then is mostly forgotten or thought of as simply myth.

Back to Alexander and Lolita. They arrive finally in a time when Bella and Morti are alive, but they're kids and the Time Machine is broken again, this time beyond any reasonable repair, so Alexander has to get creative. He writes books. Books about his mother. Books about her dissapearance. And they become best sellers. He's done it. But lolita is having none of it. Since they left the early Goth era, they have not been amicable at all. So much fighting, and then they finally get divorced. She tells him to take him home, but he can't. The machine is broken and he can't fix it. So she takes matters into her own hands and tries to fix the machine, which ends up electrocuting and killing her.

Alexander is distraught. They were fighting alot and weren't very happy but he still loved her. Because of this, he goes into a depression and dissapears, unable to return to his own time. This is why we can't find his grave in the graveyard. He probably died alone, no one to bury or claim him.

Welp that's it! Hopes you liked this! This kinda just popped into my head so I'm not sure if anything contradicts it but if it does oops idk XD

Also the fact that the OG theory is by and Alex and the theory is about Alexander... It's funny to me at least

[pleasantspark]

Bella's Disappearance and Lore SOLVED

TL;DR: Sleuth makes a in universe theory explaining away the Devs mistake in Sims 2, while also being very creative.

NOTE: I am aware of the Bella Goth in Strangetown thing, but allegedly a Sims 2 Dev had said it was an oversight and have said she is canonically dead, I do explain the in universe explanation for it.

As many of you are aware, Bella Goth is the most iconic Sim in the Simsverse. Beloved Bella, she only became Iconic imo due to her Sims 2 reiteration. Currently, I am focusing on Sims 2, Sims 3 and Sims 4 Bella Goth.

Starting with Sims 2 Bella, when you first boot up PleasantView and play with the Goths, Bella is NOWHERE to be seen. Upon looking around and piecing up clues you'll later find out Don Lothario, and the Caliente Sisters were somewhat involved.

Many in the fandom and community has pinned the blame on Don Lothario for his involvement in Bella's disappearance while the game does too, but there's a different explanation for all this. I pin the blame on Nina and Dina who have CLEARLY had motives for it. They are both involved with Don and had him wrapped around their finger.

So, while he was engaged to Cassandra, The Calientes had "convinced" Don to pursue Bella with the promise of getting the share of the inheritance when they eventually Marry Mortimer and either kill him or wait until he dies naturally. There was no way Cassandra would give Don the money and Bella was in the way of their goal to secure the Gold (They didn't think this plan through which also leads to another point later.)

Don, intrigued by this, readily agreed and tried to (and failed) to seduce Bella, all three underestimated Bella's loyalty to Mortimer which led to Dina and Nina contacting their distant relatives, the Aliens. The Aliens abducted Bella, and she was never seen or heard of again.

EXPLAINING THE BELLA GOTH IN STRANGETOWN:

Since Aliens have no use for females in the Sims Series, a Pollination Technician was assign to "absorb" Bella's essence killing her and becoming her (In the same vain as Sims 4 Human Disguises for Aliens). This Bella is NOT the same as Pleasantview Bella as she does NOT have memories of Mortimer or her family, and is exclusively an NPC, in a same way as a PT. Which is my only explanation for this.

Now after they got rid of Bella, the Calientes needed to get rid of Don for failing their mission. So they decided to (It is specifically not said how) dump Lothario in the past, strangely enough there's a Tombstone of a Bella Goth, specifically OUR Bella Goth from Pleasantview in Lunar Lakes. Which ALSO debunks the "Strangetown Bella Goth being Pleasantview Bella Goth" theory. I assume after killing Bella, the Aliens dumped her back in time in Lunar Lakes.

Don Lothario's punishment led him to living in Barnacle Bay and the Calientes misdeeds failing and having them sent away.

Alexander Goth Theory:

It can also be said by someone else that Alex wrote the Murder in Pleasantview books and ended up becoming a scientist to find out his Moms whereabouts, which is a nice theory.

And finally the Sims 4!

This is more than an alternative universe. It's escapism. For majority of the games I believe we exclusively been focusing on a certain goth. Sims One, Mortimer, Sims 2, Bella, Sims 3, the whole Goth family. In the Sims 4, we're focusing on Alexander Goth. I have theorized this is a "alternative world to Sims 2" but takes place in Sims 2's canon but in the fabricated mind of Alexander. Who has not seen his Mom at all. Grief and Refusal to accept things can end with the person handling them in postive ways or negative ways. I believe the whole entirety of the Sims 4 was made from the mind of Alexander a kid who couldn't come to terms with his grief and wanted to build a utopia, a simulation where his Mother was around to raise him.

TO BE CLEAR, Sims 2 Alexander in this Utopia is a Scientist and is grown up, he made a world, in which the Sims 4 is existing. It explains reoccuring characters like The Landgraabs and The Calientes. Although, I wouldn't put it past Alexander to separate them from him and his counterparts family (due to grudges). Most townies are also made without knowledge of them due to how Alexander never personally knew them (I.E. The Dreamers, and Pleasants)

And that is my EXPLANATION.

[noodlesewp]

Gerry and gertrude being fine and dandy means my crack theory from before protocol started can still happen

They may be computers or jonny could be fucking with us

[vertigala]

*Grabs you by the throat* Listen to me you TMAGP-loving freaks. Listen to me right now. RedCanary might be the host for this universe's Jonah Magnus.

This is under the assumption that TMAGP takes place in a parallel universe that may or may not have already had the fears in it prior to Jon releasing them at the end of TMA.

RedCanary goes to explore the Magnus Institute ruins. They become paranoid because the Eye is watching them. They pick up a wooden box with strange symbols carved into it. They go to put it back. Next we hear from them, they post an image of gouged out eyes with the caption "Canaries should stay above ground."

They found the tunnels, hence that caption. Then they found Jonah Magnus's body sitting down there, waiting for a new host.

In this universe, the Magnus Institute burned down in 1999. Maybe in this universe Gertrude went through with her original plan of burning the place to the ground after finding out Elias was actually Jonah in 1997. Either way, let's say Jonah's original body is down there, maybe with Elias's body and his eyes and all that, and with his plans foiled, he's just chilling down there waiting for an opportunity which RedCanary then gives him. This is my going theory due to the specificity of the caption "canaries should stay above ground" (referring to the tunnels, and also it being in third-person) and the fact that RedCanary themselves would be pretty unlikely to be able to post that picture of THEIR OWN EYES GOUGED OUT unless it was Magnus assuming their body and identity and being a freak about it.

But there's more.

Narratively speaking, it makes sense for the third voice in the computer to be Jonah Magnus, right? If Jon and Martin ended up in this universe as voices in a computer, the only other person sharing their fate would have to be Magnus, given how TMA ended. Recall, also, the boot-up sequence in the trailer of TMAGP.

[id: a screenshot of the text from the TMAGP teaser, which says “initializing J.01… OK/initializing M.01… OK/initializing J.02… OK”. end id.]

Jonathan, Martin, and Jonah, right? Unless Augustus is gonna be a new J name or this is just an unrelated easter egg but like. It's Jonah right?? Right??? And he's watching the O.I.R.A through the systems like a good little voyeur, and Colin knows it!

So now we possibly have TWO Jonah Magnuses in this universe!! That's absurd!! One from the TMAGP universe now loose and running around in RedCanary's body, and one from the TMA universe trapped in a computer. But if this is true...doesn't that mean there would be two Jons and Martins too?

And listen...I'm thinking about what Jonny and Alex said during that liveshow panel about this story's themes regarding "what makes a human." If we dare to hope that Jon and Martin (and Jonah, if it's his voice in the computer) are going to gain consciousness and once again become proper characters...then, are they going to simply stay in the computer? Or are they going to "manifest" physically? Are they going to UPLOAD themselves into THEIR OWN TMAGP UNIVERSE BODIES?

@doomatix and I have been going crazy over these theories and they were the one that initially considered RedCanary's new identity as Jonah Magnus. Are our facts wrong? Does any of this even make sense? We haven't seen anyone else posting about this particular theory. Someone help us we are rotting. And don't even get me started on how GWEN would fit into this--

[viideo-kidd]

Been really enjoying how the Magnus Protocol has been playing with the idea of ✨️nostalgia✨️. Sam obsessing over the Magnus Institute, Alice wanting to rekindle her relationship with Sam, Celia looking into familiar names from TMA.  Even the monsters are a bit of a throwback - a mascot from a 90s TV show, a member of British aristocracy, [ERROR] with her cassette tapes.

And on a meta level - the listeners are playing into this nostalgia, too. The theories that Jon/Martin/Jonah are stuck in the computer. Our excitement at hearing familiar voices again. Trying to  assign the Smirke 14 to the O.I.A.R. cases...

The thing is - nostalgia is actually just  corrupting everyone. Sam's obsession is putting the O.I.A.R. crew in danger. Alice's attempts at reshaping their relationship to how it used to be is harming her current friendship with Sam. Celia's investigations just keep leading to dead ends.

And us, the listeners, our inclinations to apply the old lore from TMA to this new series...it might be causing us to miss some big clues in Protocol...

so yeah, I just think it's really cool how Magnus Protocol is playing with the dangers of nostalgia, especially considering it's a sequel!

[macabresymphonies]

To everyone concered about Colin, I just assume he's doing basically what Jon was doing in season two, but competently this time around so that's why we don't hear from him. Settle down people.

[confused--cryptid]

Okay hear me put

what if the fears arent the fears?

like think abt it, the statements so far havent been very afraid.

theyve all been obsession/desires.

Statement 1: Obsessed with seeing him again

Statement 2: Desire to explore the institute (this ones a lil shakier)

Statement 3: Obsession with perfection

Statement 4: Obsession with his ex (who he killed)

also jonny said the fears had been reconfigured, which what if theyve been reconfigured into the desires.

[z0mb13sk3tch]

I think I wanna see what the statements Jon got that were still horrific but not of the unknown or eldritch, like the raw human horrors he had to sift through.

how many people came to Jon convinced they had seen something supernatural but it was nothing of the sort but a traumatic event they experienced but are certain that can’t be real? that something or someone supernatural had something to do with it?

how many people did Jon have to break to people they need to see they police not himself? how many statements did he simply have to turn into the police and hope something good came of it?

did Jon ever end up for hours sometimes trying to find just a shred of any entity in someone’s statement to give them peace?

did he ever yearn for the paranormal statements because humans were terrifying too?

[spiral-man]

I really hope they do q&a’s at the end of each season like they did with MAG, I think it would be really funny if it was just an hour of Jonny and Alex shutting down all of our theories by going “yah this is based on a mistake we made” “this is a coincidence” “I couldn’t think of anything else to name them” “we ran out of voice actors” I just think it would be really silly, just burn us all down in one fell swoop.

[daredevil-vagabond]

THE FAMILY BOUCHARD

[shitty-tmagp-theories]

Jon and Martin chose to eat and keep Colin because they’re just huge fans of Scotland

[flovoid]

Can we pretend like it's just you and me? I wanna act like I can feel something And you don't have to give it back to me When it comes to you, my world is deep red

pose made by my friend @/paroledesims from insta!

[elderwisp]

ꜱᴏᴍᴇᴛɪᴍᴇꜱ ʏᴏᴜ ɢᴏᴛᴛᴀ ᴄʟᴏꜱᴇ ᴀ ᴅᴏᴏʀ ᴛᴏ ᴏᴘᴇɴ ᴀ ᴡɪɴᴅᴏᴡ

[clare-89]

TMAGP THEORY: The deaths were a coverup

Jon and Martin died 20 years ago around the same time the Institute burned down.

It makes sense that their deaths were a coverup from Starkwell, and that they were involved in the Institute.

Idk it just seems weird to me to mention them in 22 and then have them just be dead in 23?

I still think they’re dead in the Protocol universe. But I think there was more to their deaths than we think.

[1nk20ul]

Discovering Jon and Martin’s Birthdays

It’s a wonder how much you can uncover about The Magnus Archives using only a bit of mathematics and a smidge of psychology.

Apparently I have too much time for both and can definitively say that I have revealed the absolute best and most accurate dates for both of their birthdays. Feel free to join me as we dissect piece by piece when these two were born and put to rest the age old question: What is Jon’s zodiac sign?

I’ll put the results in the tags as a TLDR if you’re not interested in reading my method and simply care about what star sign they are or what date to put in your calendar so you can go out for ice cream.

Statement Begins.

To find out the birthdays of Jon and Martin, we first must determine when exactly they joined the Archives. This will be important for the wider picture, as after all, the earliest possible birthday must take place after they start working there. We also must understand the Archive team’s speed in order to understand how to space out our statements and find that aforementioned number.

Gertrude Robinson passed away, according to her file, on the 15th of May 2015. This makes 15th May our earliest possible starting date. The next time the day’s date was specified was on 13th January 2016, when Naomi Herne gave a live statement. This is MAG 13, and our latest start date. Obviously, these numbers are nowhere close to the day we’re looking for, but they act as upper and lower limits. Our answer is somewhere inside.

In Jon’s supplemental notes for MAG 12, he states that Gerard Keay passed away late the previous year. Since Gertrude died after Gerard in early 2015, he must have died in late 2014. This confirms that MAG 1-12 was recorded to tape in 2015. We know that MAG 13, the next statement, was given live on 13th January 2016. This creates, at the very least, an almost two-week gap between archiving statements. This is likely due to the holiday season, so the time between 24th December and up to 1st January can be omitted. To recap, MAG 1-12 was recorded in 2015, and MAG 13 onwards in 2016.

The key to determining archival speed lies with Martin. Martin goes missing right before MAG 17 and reappears at the end of MAG 21. As he gave such a detailed account of those two weeks, our archiving timeline can be significantly accurate. MAG 19-20 were more than likely recorded on the same day, meaning three separate recording sessions took place in two weeks. However, it took a minimum of six weeks to record MAG 14-16.

So far, the timeline looks like this:

Now we have to figure out the left half.

Calculating the average time it takes to archive statements from MAG 13-22 (removing any outliers from our calculations), we can find a true average and apply it to the 2015 year. By March of The Magnus Institute’s 2016 calendar year, the Archive staff was able to archive 1.31 statements per week. I double-checked this number by doing the same with the statements recorded between MAG 22 and MAG 39. By multiplying the average amount of weeks it should take them by the adjusted number of statements recorded, it should equal the number of weeks it actually did take them. If the numbers are the same, the average is reliable. Hoping for the number 20, the number of weeks I had calculated... was 20.11. This average seems relievingly trustworthy and fits Elias’ complaint about the staff “barely getting through one statement per week.”

All we have to do now is multiply the first 12 statements by the 1.31 average to determine how many weeks it most likely took to do the recorded work of 2015. This leaves us with 15.72 weeks and makes the earliest and most probable start date somewhere around 5th September 2015. I will round this to 1st September as I am not expecting the team to start working on statements right out the gate, so these extra four days act as a buffer for everyone to get their bearings and find the tape recorder. Also, it’s convenient for Elias’ financials to start everyone on the 1st of the month.

Now is the fun part - the birthdays. We now know that Jon and Martin’s birthdays must fall somewhere between early September and the end of February. Since March kicks off the Archives living with the threat of Jane Prentiss, they have to take place before then. After that point, the team is far too stressed to have the carefree party heard in MAG 161. We also know that Martin’s birthday has to come before Jon’s, as the team mentions going out for ice cream at Jon’s party. This event has to be long enough in the past for Jon to forget about it, so their birthdays must be reasonably spaced out from one another in the allotted time. Likewise, an amount of time must have passed after their start date for the team to be close enough bond to want to celebrate Martin’s birthday.

Martin’s birth year is easy to determine. Martin tells us his age in MAG 56. His birthday could not have happened at this point in 2017, so his birth year must be 1987. In a Q&A, it was speculated that Jon and Martin have birthdays near each other (and one being slightly older than the other), so only 1987 and 1988 are our options for Jon’s birth year. Let’s look a bit closer at that.

Early ‘88 is closer to Late ‘87 than Early ‘87. At Jon’s birthday party, he says he’s turning 38. Martin is 29 at this time. The obvious conclusion to me is that Jon simply adds a decade to his age. (I find this the most hilarious yet believable scenario.) Jonny was also born in 1988, being 28 himself when that scene would take place. As Jon’s childhood details sometimes mirror Jonny’s, I am taking this as a sign of accuracy.

And by doing some additional work that I will not share here, I can reliably say that these are the best observed birthdays for Jon and Martin:

Martin - 23rd November, 1987

Jonathan - 2nd Febuary, 1988

Also, this makes Martin a potential Valentine’s Day Baby. Do with that what you will.

Thanks for reading!

(Full timeline for those who are interested:)

[silasloveslemons]

MAGNUS ARCHIVES CONSPIRACY BOARD