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HOUSE OF THE DRAGON — 1.09 // 2.08
#house of the dragon#hotdedit#alicenthightoweredit#alicent hightower#aegon ii targaryen#alicent and aegon#alicenthightowerdaily#welighttheway#dailyhotdgifs#gameofthronesdaily#seamayweed gifs#seamayweed stuff#parallels#hotd spoilers#she was willing to die for and with him#character assassination 101
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Danny Fenton, aka Phantom, has been given a new task!
In short, literally no one in the Ghost Zone/Infinite Realms wants their mostly peaceful afterlife to be rocked by a certain Gotham rogue named Joker. Which, when he dies, is almost sure to happen because of whatever the hell was in that vat he dropped in included ectoplasm. So, yay, he’s also a little ghostly too, meaning he *is* pretty hard to kill. Unfortunately, there’s also a certain vigilante that is quite keen to murder him in recent years.
So now Danny has to keep the mass murderer trauma clown alive for as long as he possibly can while attempting to keep the Joker from. Well. Being the Joker.
Oh, and naturally, Danny got this assignment AFTER Joker got out of Arkham. Again. And entirely blew up the asylum. Time to join the Goonion, he is NOT doing this without getting PAID, thank you.
#danny phantom#dpxdc#dp crossover#the idea is that Danny is now an. assistant? henchman? who will NOT let this man die but also can’t let him just put bombs everywhere#Danny’s search history is stuff like how do I give enrichment to a super villain so he doesn’t kill more people#it shockingly has results#there’s also possibly a ghostly court case bc some people who died DO want joker dead and are willing to re-kill him once he….#…. re-emerges as a ghost if that’s what it takes#danny is the MOST reluctant body guard#he’s using Psycho Babble! he’s using Jazz Fenton Language!#he hates it! he can strategize and such just fine but he’s really more of a…#… punch thing until it stops being a problem#sort of guy. percussive maintenance as his dad would say#he’s just there like#Hello Mr. Joker#have you considered NOT setting the orphanage on fire? there are better ways to get senpai to notice you#I heard flowers are nice. wait no do NOT call Poison Ivy-!#Danny is having a bad time. joker is having a time once he realizes Danny would rather not be here but is seemingly stuck#also joker maybe tried to kill him and it failed so he’s like#well. hm. that’s. not as new as it should be. have you met lord deathman?#the bats are trying to figure out this dynamic and failing miserably. they even call Harley and she’s like yeah no clue good luck tho
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More Jason and Cass thoughts (sorry but also not sorry) but if I was magically given full control over DC and could write what I'd want obviously I'd make Cass Batman but I've been thinking of what sort of reaction and role Jason would have in response. I think I'd write his version of "Congrats on the new job!" as a test, involving the Joker and civilians and gangs and Red Hood and a ton of explosives. Bruce failed me, and now he's given up. You're his successor, let's see how you handle this dilemma that freaked him out so badly he threw a batarang into my throat rather than let me avenge my own death in front of him.
So obviously Cass will overcome the traps and the puzzles. That's the fun part to show how competent both of them are and sprinkle in little character moments as we go. But then we reach the emotional crux of the matter, probably laid out as some sort of saw trap because it's Jason. Here I am, a victim of murder. You say nobody dies tonight but I did, and I want the man who did it dead. Not only did Batman fail to avenge me but he failed to stop the Joker from going on to create even more victims. What right do you have to stop me from getting justice for myself? What right does this man have to life after what he's taken from me and from countless others? I'm not trying to kill a random stranger, I'm specifically demanding justice for my own death that I never got while I was gone.
There are two ways this could go. The straightforward route if I knew my time on this run was limited would probably be a pyrrhic victory like the ones Cass's og series was so fond of. Just like Bruce in utrh, she acts on instinct and saves the Joker (and Jason this time) . A win technically, but she fails the test. Jason is once again vindicated but with nothing to show for it. The story ends with Cass sending the Joker back to jail and going back to the batcave, where the old Robin costume looms judgementally, highlighting her failure. It would be the most fitting end given their character molds, all tragedy and conviction and unstoppable force meets immovable object etc.
However... I think the option I prefer would be a little different. Cass levelling with Jason, a killer talking to a murder victim. She has no right to stop Jason from getting justice, she has no love for the Joker but she knows any death she allows to happen like this would devastate her, just like that death row inmate long ago she tried to break out but ended up letting go once the family of the victim talked to her and demanded justice. I think... In this specific situation, she'd just be honest. Morally she has no right sure. Personally she just really really doesn't want anyone to die. Give her one chance, please. Let her try it her way. Not demanding, not lecturing or insisting, just... Please. Don't do this. Let me try another way.
And then what? Jason asks.
In the end a deal is struck. Cass will take the Joker and lock him up, ensuring he never harms anyone again while also trying to rehabilitate him. But the second she fails and he gets free, Jason kills him and she won't stand in his way. It's the kind of deal that leaves both of them mildly disgusted and dissatisfied with themselves, neither of them naturally creatures of compromise when it comes to this specific topic. But Cass is willing to do anything to avoid death and Jason did not expect the new Bat to be so... Flexible? Kind of? Of course maybe she won't actually hold up her end of the deal and when the Joker gets loose she'll try and stop Jason from killing him and he'll get his miserable vindication, but right now this is something strange and new and he's mildly confused and curious about where it will go. He doesn't believe in her ability to contain the Joker forever but he's willing to let her try because her reaction to that future failure interests him. She's given him a sword of damocles to hang above her head and he didn't ask for it or expect it. It's the type of power he never thought the Bat would just... Hand to him.
The conflict ends with neither of them fully winning or losing. They both don't really know what to feel about this.
The thing is, the second Cass let's Jason kill the Joker she's hanging up the mantle. She's staking the Bat on this, because it's always go big or go home with her when it comes to saving others, even someone like the Joker. In this magical universe where I have unlimited power, Cass would lock the Joker in a secret bunker and have Leslie Thompkins talk to him daily, mostly because I think her pacifism speeches and debates in the comics would make a fun contrast to the Joker's evil sadism. (But what about his rights? Doesn't he deserve a trial and to be held in a regular prison? I'm going to be honest I think Cass would be very comfortable bending the rules on this specific situation. Morally questionable but I'd have fun with it. She's going to let Leslie treat Joker like her personal pet project to save his soul because yes she wants him to change but also she's got a city to save every night so go crazy Leslie, have fun.)
And the Batman series would continue with Cass as the lead, new challenges and new antagonists and every twenty issues or so for the first hundred we'll cut back to the Joker briefly if his chats with Leslie can help highlight some thematic element of the current arc. But bit by bit he'd slowly fade away onto oblivion, maybe getting referenced every hundred issues or so until eventually no one remembers or cares about him because there's so much else going on. Meanwhile Jason's got a good thing going as Red Hood, primarily based in Park Row and a tentative ally on the occasion when their vigilante work aligns. Unlike Joker he's a much more frequent character in the comics, and after say 10 years (this is my magical fantasy universe Cass's batman run is going to last for a very long time alright) when people think of DC characters they think of Red Hood long before they think of the Joker.
Is any of this realistic? Right now of course not. It's why I'd go with the pyrrhic victory if I actually got the chance, because it would be the best way to tell the story in the larger context of the Bat narrative. But it's my fantasy DC editor and writer daydream and I'm going to dream big. They're never going to be normal happy siblings, their personal demons will never fully let them be free and the looming possibility of losing everything they currently have narrative wise if Bruce comes back as Batman will always be there. But it's maybe the closest to peace they'll ever get. Unsatisfying and tame compromise that probably violates several laws and ethical codes but whatever. Cass has never read the Geneva convention and Jason's not going to shed tears over the Joker. Let him die relevancy wise if not physically.
#dc#cassandra cain#batfam#dc rambles#Jason Todd#In terms of the larger meta narrative ultimately whether the Joker dies or gets locked up is irrelevant#But Cass will never be willing to just let someone die without trying to the very end to make her case for their life#And I think it's entirely possible Jason would reject her proposal and we're back to square one#But I think the two main reasons to me that he'd accept is one. Cass betting her career on this. She doesn't need to do that.#She could save the Joker and fail Jason's personal test and that would be that. Her actually reaching out#Being willing to risk something precious just to try and compromise with Jason. It would be more than he expected#From a family that he understandably believes he does not matter enough to#And secondly is the long term consequence of the Joker fading into irrelevancy while Jason maintains his prominence as a character#A reverse of his death where he was turned into nothing but a footnote and a memorial for Batman angst#While the Joker went on to gain even more narrative power as Batman's Greatest Enemy#Now he is nothing. And Jason is alive and a solid part of the mythos#It would take time obviously but ultimately from a Doylist sense to me it's the most satisfying resolution#Maybe after like 10 years Cass can die again briefly the Joker gets out and Jason gets to kill him to give Maps some fun Robin angst#But ultimately it's very important to me that if Cass becomes batman the Joker must become irrelevant#He's just not useful enough thematically to be worth his current narrative weight when she's running the show
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Morro’s last line in Ninjago was “You can only save those who want to be saved. Goodbye, Sensei.”
And the scene right mf after was THIS
HIM REACHING OUT.
REACHING OUT FOR WU.
Morro didn’t want to be saved. He was far too tired and far too uncaring at that point to have the will to live again. But he wanted a second chance. He wanted to do more. He wanted to have his choices matter and he wanted to leave on a better note and he desperately wanted to ignore that small part inside of him forcing him to keep his arm up, to keep reaching forward for something he doesn’t deserve again.
Something he didn’t deserve, and couldn’t get, again.
#lego ninjago#ninjago#morro ninjago#yiu could also attribute it ti his pride#that he was too prideful ti admit he needed helo and support and wanted ti be saved.#because lets be honest if Morro actually said to Wu i don’t want to die#wu wouldve done anything in his power to bring him back again#at leats for a moment#just for them#i mean do you guys remember the way he was constantly searching for a way ti save Nya when she merged with the ocean#bro was a MESS#i wonder if theyre gonna bring that line back in dragins rising#maybe have it referenced#icl when i first jeard that line i thought of the incredibles#you know the movie#maybe the might bring the like back like ‘you can only be saved when you are willing to let others try.’#morro wu#hmm#lego emo#ninjago morro#wu ninjago
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I love them! So much!
#detroit become human#kara ax400#luther tr400#i love them so much and have something planned for luther in the hes a 10 but series#i may have spent a lot more time on this than i planned (aka two! doodles!)#but you know what 100% worth it i love them and i love him supporting womens wrongs and and#i got so emotional the first time i saw his status updated to family im like crying over this family#also kara having the ability to not only die in almost all her chapters but also kill in almost all her chapters#like girl please i love you and i love that you are willing to be rational and not let luther kill a guy returning a glove#but also you are unhinged and i love you there is no downside to kara i love her#also she gets to not only be a blonde menace but she rocks brown and black and white hair??#truly a lady who can do anything is2g#this suggestion added a year to my life cause it was technically the first one received#even though its the second i drew - i got it first
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Octavia sees Blitzø as her replacement in Stolas' life. Blitzø sees Octavia as an addition to his own.
#everything re: Via is so complicated right now because on one hand she's right to be upset at Stolas breaking his promise#but also she's just refusing to understand his point of view or even let him explain himself#unfortunately it's a trait that comes with her being still a teenager who's been likely sheltered her whole life#like from Stolas POV he had seconds to react to stop Blitz from being killed and clearly didn't think things through#(also this got me thinking if his pills might have a side effect since he only realized what he did after he started the withdrawal)#but from Via's POV she saw her dad willing to die for his fling after he specifically promised her not to leave her for him#do i think Via should have heard him out rather than cutting him off her life so fast? yes#do I also think she has a right to be upset after the most important person in her life made a choice that betrayed her trust? also yes#anyway let's see how this develop#helluva boss#helluva boss spoilers#helluva boss blitz#helluva boss blitzo#helluva boss octavia
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One of the things I was most looking forward to in this special was Nathalie's reaction to the fact that Gabriel gave his life for her.
What a disappointment when she doesn't seem to care, doesn't mention it again, even Marinette highlights that fact and Nathalie just doesn't care.
#Nathalie was not affected by Gabriel's death?#She was willing to die for him#And they only end it like this#miraculous ladybug#miraculous spoilers#miraculous special#miraculous london#miraculous fandom#miraculous memes#miraculous ladybug and chat noir#miraculous lb#gabriel agreste#nathalie sancoeur#gabenath#marinette dupain cheng
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Cardan was so real for giving up on life for a moment after confessing his feelings to Jude in tcp. He was like yeah, actually, maybe you should shoot me. Knife? Okay, whichever method you prefer. I respect your decision.
#I would too#he was so brave#he would not die looking like a lil bitch in front of his crush even if she was the one to kill him#Cardan when Jude kissed him instead: oh ok I REALLY respect this decision#Cardan respected it so much that he was willing to be under her command with the littlest hesitation 😭😭#Cardan: oh now that we’ve kissed you want me under your control? bet#Cardan: great minds lol#the cruel prince#jude duarte#cardan greenbriar#jurdan#me exaggerating but not#but am
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It's kind of fascinating to me that towards the end of P&P, Elizabeth has become protective of Darcy and either a) actively tries to insulate him from Situations or b) wishes that she could and gets stressed that she can't.
Darcy deeply loves her and is very ready to do whatever he can to secure her happiness, but narratively, I think the emphasis at the end is very much more on Elizabeth's protectiveness towards him.
It's like:
When Bingley and Darcy first come back to Hertfordshire, Darcy is very quiet and Elizabeth can barely bring herself to say anything—until Mrs Bennet insults Darcy. Then Elizabeth speaks up.
Mrs Bennet enlists Elizabeth to separate Darcy from Bingley with another insult to Darcy. Elizabeth finds this both convenient and enraging.
That day, Elizabeth decides to privately tell Mrs Bennet about her engagement to Darcy, specifically so that Darcy will be spared Mrs Bennet's first unfiltered response.
Elizabeth fiercely defends Darcy's character and love for her, as well as hers for him, to Mr Bennet. She not only says she loves Darcy but that it upsets her to hear Mr Bennet's criticisms of him.
Elizabeth is both relieved by Mrs Bennet's ecstatic reception of the engagement and a bit disappointed by how completely shallow she's being about it, and 100% sure she made the right call in keeping Darcy away.
Elizabeth defends Darcy against Darcy himself, repeatedly.
There's a period where Elizabeth seems to unwind and laugh, but this passes, especially after Charlotte and Mr Collins show up. Darcy manages to stay calm around Mr Collins (I think this is framed as a significant and admirable achievement for him), but Elizabeth does not like him being in a situation where he has to deal with Mr Collins in the first place.
Elizabeth tries to shield Darcy from being noticed by Mrs Phillips and Mrs Bennet, who do seem to make him pretty excruciatingly uncomfortable.
Ultimately, Elizabeth ends up trying to keep Darcy to herself or to shepherd him around to relatives he can handle more easily, and is so stressed at this point that she just wants to get married and escape to Pemberley.
After their marriage, things are actually great at Pemberley and in their married life, despite the occasional complication.
Lydia writes a congratulatory letter to Elizabeth, asking for Darcy to get Wickham a promotion unless Elizabeth would rather not bring it up with him. Elizabeth really does not want Darcy to have to deal with this and handles it by privately setting aside a Lydia fund out of her personal expenses. (IIRC, it's not clear if Darcy even knows about this.)
Elizabeth also is the driving force behind Darcy's reconciliation with Lady Catherine.
This could read as an unsettling, unbalanced dynamic and a very odd ending point for the arc of a woman like Elizabeth, but in the context of the overall novel, it doesn't feel that way. Or maybe I'd see it more that way if I interpreted Darcy (and for that matter, Elizabeth) + their arcs differently? But as it is, I do think that by this point in the story they are genuinely doing the best they can, independently and for each other, and they've both come a long way. They shine in different contexts and support each other as much as they can in the circumstances that do arise.
It seems very them, in terms of their temperament and abilities, that Elizabeth would put all this effort into shielding Darcy, while at the same time, Darcy completely cuts off Lady Catherine for insulting Elizabeth and only ever speaks to her again because Elizabeth wants him to.
#one of the things that really works about darcy/elizabeth for me is how much they're kind of the apotheosis of each other's types#like the people elizabeth is closest to—jane charlotte and mr bennet#are very different people but they're quiet and private and strong-willed and stubborn and intelligent#and darcy is totally the full throttle version of that type#and darcy is obviously drawn to cheerful outgoing lively charisma bombs with minds of their own#(even in his youth this was kind of true w/ pre-villainy wickham)#(then there's fitzwilliam and bingley and elizabeth herself)#and nobody is more peak that type than elizabeth bennet#they're totally each other's types and like. darcy is blatantly ride or die for elizabeth#while end of the book elizabeth is so far from being intimidated or awed by him that she's sweeping in to save him#in a way that i suspect nobody has really attempted for a long time#anghraine babbles#long post#anghraine's meta#elizabeth bennet#fitzwilliam darcy#otp of otps#(obviously this is particularly endearing w/ the autistic!darcy headcanon)#(neither of them could ever know why he's like that and in their society it's probably for the best that they don't know tbh#but they make it work anyway)
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temple is an unreliable narrator and is more at fault for biff’s death than he lets on/remembers: juicy. delicious. tragic. what’s the truth? does anyone even remember? how much blame falls on carolina? how much on temple? how much on biff? everyone has a different version of events and they’re all conflicting and no one knows what really happened except that biff ended up dead and temple can never, ever let that go.
temple is an unreliable narrator and is completely at fault for biff’s death and carolina had nothing to do with it: okay well you’ve made it even more boring than canon
#mark temple#rvb#i don’t know how many ppl still have ‘temple killed biff’ theories but tumblr kept showing me some old ones after looking through temple tag#and i’m just. temple killing biff and then blaming the freelancers is so borrrinnnnnggggg you just made him a crazy person#he’s gotta have motives. he’s gotta have a motive that makes you understand why he did this.#you gotta see the vision#it’s also very… i don’t know it feels very like. scrubbing down carolina’s edges?#the fact that carolina would be willing to kill/let sim troopers die is like. that’s a part of her character#that’s a part of ALL the freelancer’s characters#like obviously temple becoming a serial killer with a murder basement is fucked up and not a equivalent retribution#but also. like. i can guarantee you every freelancer in that room took a biff away from a temple.#killing sim troopers was just part of the job#making carolina have no culpability just weakens it soooooo much like. like you’re not actually cleaning her character at all#she definitely killed other sim troopers!#we see her! on screen! killing a bunch of guards who are literally just. doing their job. like they’re essentially civilians.#carolina was complicit in a system that resulted in many innocent lives lost and one of those lives was biff#and maybe temple had more of a hand in it than what he said but that doesn’t erase carolina’s complicity
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Honestly, it is so funny remembering that Annabeth Chase's literal, stated, canonical fatal flaw is hubris.
Rick Riordan was like, "This clever, neurodivergent preteen girl believes that she is smarter than the gods, and she will get the chance to prove herself right," and he was correct. 😌
#pjo#honestly annabeth best character cuz in the end the gods straight up are like 'you're right. here's your dream come true'#like never once did mr. riordan say 'and she should stop being like that.'#honestly in general mega props to pjo for framing fatal flaws as a source of strength consistently#both percy and annabeth in the end get to be So Valid in their fatal flaws lmao#like it's so funny that in the end percy straight up is like 'I don't know shit but you all need to shut up and listen to annabeth'#and annabeth is like 'I might be an asshole but percy is the best most loyal person I know and we all need to be willing to die for him'#and they both are so correct for it. the NARRATIVE SAYS THEY ARE CORRECT ON BOTH COUNTS.#actually uwu cuz like#thinking about the fact that annabeth takes that dagger to protect percy and it's basically her last major act before the battle is won#and the fact that percy appeals to luke by saying 'annabeth was right listen to her' and that's how he finally wins#literally using each other's fatal flaws to win and live. ANYWAY I MADE MYSELF EMOTIONAL#as you can tell i will be a fucking wreck once the series comes out nobody touch me.
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE HARU?! Who else does it like her?
#beastars#beastars haru#beastars melon#beastars manga#beastars spoilers#NO WAY I SEE PPL SAY THEY DONT LIKE HARU#no like accident rabbit?#no but seriously i think a lot of haru hate comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of her character#and a lack of understanding that legoshi operates on a weird plane of existence no one else does! haru rightfully calls him out on how#much he doesnt make sense. shes allowed to also have wants and needs and struggles#shes also not informed of all legoshi goes through and has to ask him point blank to open up. she accepts him eating louis leg#like not hesitation. shes given the full story and everything. she is willing to try and understand legoshi bc she wants to understand#haru is also an herbivore who thought her worth was literally just in sex. she lived life knowing shed just die eventually.#shes so so interesting and complex! tho i do blame the author for not giving haru the proper screentime!#she didnt have enough time! and she has even less time in the anime! but she operates on thinking her existence isnt important#on wanting to be the one special white rabbit as well. shes conflicted idk!!!#shes also blunt and puts her foot down when needed liiiike#tag rant over
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(abt my last ask) thank you for the answer, your understanding of charas is trully stellar!
I wanted to ask, what's your take on recovery!au (unless you intend to cover it in your fic)? In the universe, where Jimmy happens, but the crew somehow survives. Everyone is traumatised, Anya is pregnant, Curly is disabled (could he even be able to afford disability aids? Pony express in no more, would they even be paid a sufficient compensation?). There is also a question of p*lice investigation (or whatever agency is responsible for space crimes), even more trauma... Man, it's bleak.
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I like them sad but for emotional and physical recovery reason rather than all the actual legal stuff that would ensue.
I like when Swansea relapsing is explored and Daisuke losing a little bit of his light. I am clearly a big supporter of Anya and Curly remaining close friend after but I think exploring the unhealthy dynamics of the trauma bond they’d develop should be played with way more. I think it’s a bit annoying when people are on the nose about Anya telling Curly he should’ve done more, especially when he’s struggling through recovery.
I feel like people really want her to be a character to rub salt into wounds, just to give her something cathartic, but it’s just OOC for me. It’s not a kindness thing but I don’t think she wants that sort of guilt to stay with him like that? He did not do what Jimmy did, he could’ve done more to stop it but she would not intentionally try to direct what she can never take out towards Jimmy at Curly. At least when they all make it out. This is not to say she doesn’t think he shouldn’t have any remorse but she understands that no one else could have foreseen Jimmy crashing the ship or getting that bad.
I like when it gets psychoanalytic in fics with the crew. Talk about Curly finally opening up on details on how he and Jimmy were friends, have the others realize how bad Jimmy was to even Curly, not a lot of people realize that they don’t know how Jimmy was to him. Have Anya be angry and snippy, have her worry she’s becoming like Jimmy even though she could never be like him, it’s that fear though, that she is owed that cathartic release and may take it out on others in some selfish subconscious desire to reclaim control for herself. Have her actualize-herself, is med school the only option? What does she want now? Does Swansea divorce his wife, give up on the life he created because he was just following the path of a good man, one he didn’t believe? Or does he stay and use the time he has left to make it something he believes in. How is Daisuke? Is he more mature or does he lose a little light? What are his new aspirations if any? His relationship with his parents?
Ultimately, I think a recover au should really focus on just them actually getting to know each other and filling themselves. So much of their interactions were likely based on coworker dynamics first. With that out the window they are now people who can’t really move on from each other but need to move on in life.
#ngl I’m a baby and do like recovery aus where jimmy dies and Curly is injured but not as badly#mainly because the theme of characters not getting what they desire both as like a reward and improper punishment hurt#like that should’ve been Jimmy in the damn cockpit like again wtf is wrong with curly cause he was just no fear or plan willing to risk his#life like again he would’ve eventually done the right thing and had to live with the guilt of not doing it sooner cause mans effectively#killed himslef with that stunt idk he’s an odd white fellow#I want Anya to be happiest in these aus because no one talks value the fear of becoming like ur abuser in a way like she’d be stuck on so#many ways he affected her and not know if she was like this before or he brought it out of her like would she feel like she gave curly to#him to abuse the bruises has to be obvious to a nurse did she really think they wouldn’t get into the med bay#was she being merciful to curly or not caring anymore like Jimmy wouldn’t? it’s not fair to her to have these thoughts#her attempts at doing the right thing were not misguided by selfish delusions but god she thinks they are for a bit Polle haunts her in a#different way as she realizes none of this was her burden and it shouldn’t be anyone else’s#idk post aus are fun but I just hate when people make it about punishing a character or overly pessimistic like damn get rid of that fix it#tag if nothing is resolved and everyon still wants to die 10 chapters in im trying to cry tears of relief i will be back for chapter 11#mouthwashing#ask#💀 anon
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I would like to say that I will NOT be taking any Eurylochus slander
#like yeah i get it ody loves his family#and dont get me wrong I support Odysseus right and wrongs#but also eurylochus is NOT the monster everyone’s trying to make him out to be#‘but he opened the bag and set Poseidon after them’ SOMEONE WAS GOING TO OPEN IT#maybe him or someone else but someone would have#that’s the whole thing with how the gods play#some tasks are doable some are not#the crew needed closure#the only way to get that was to open it#and Poseidon would have caught them anyways#they would have all died#eurylochus had nothing to do with Poseidon if anything that’s on Odysseus for doxxing himself#‘oh lol he was all too willing to let his men die with circe’#SHE WAS A GODDESS. OR LIKE A GODDESS. WHATEVER#BUT HE’S NOT#HE WANTS TO GO HOME TOO.#Odysseus was the one to show him there were other ways but even that didn’t work#like with the cyclops#and the whole thing of people calling him hypocritical that he was mad at Odysseus for sacrificing their friends#it’s because up until that moment Odysseus was trying to get them ALL home#and eurylochus saw that#he saw his captain fighting for them all#he trusted him#and then all of a sudden he sees his brother throwing away the lives of their men without care#of COURSE HE DOESN’T TRUST HIM ANYMORE#epic the musical#jorge rivera herrans#odysseus#eurylochus#the thunder saga
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Saiouma Puella Magi AU, but Kokichi takes Madoka's role and Shuichi takes Homura's.
For one, Kokichi's too naturally distrustful to just hear "I can grant you any wish :)" and not think ok where's the hook. So he just does what no one ever has & essentially interrogates Kyubey, so he knows it all even before he gets to make a contract. So, some of his classmstes are MGs & he won't become one himself BUT he still ends up tagging along to just protect them in his Kokichi ways. (Though I'm entertaining Kokichi lying about being a magical girl, because, well, it's Kokichi).
(I also got a small idea of Gonta being a magical girls and Kokichi originally tagging along him into labyrinths, Gonta also makes him a magic gun from the toy one he had, and at some point witches out & Kokichi manages to kill him with that gun. So he always has that spare Grief Seed on himself, bc it's still his best friend & he can't handle the idea of just giving it away or using it himself (he does anyway in the end).)
Shuichi prolly ends up being a new kid & it isn't like MadoHomu, the ppl who reach him first are Kaede & Kaito, classic. Kokichi's there, too, but he's his usual sus self. He's actually discouraging ppl from making a contract when they find out magic and miracles are real, which absolutely includes Shuichi. He's very vocal abt it, but he won't explain stutf, bc 1) he's a liar, so who'd believe him? and 2) he doesn't want them to witch out upon finding out the truth or, idk, murder everybody Mami-style.
Anyway, fast forward, bad things happen bingo & by the end of the run most charas are dead, there's Walpurgis nachting, and he makes his wish to bring back the ppl who died notably not as magical girls. Contract signed, he fights & fails, rip. I also thought it was similar to how he thought he could end the killing game by himself - he though he could finish Walpurgisnacht by himself, too. And he failed in both times. Whatevs.
Shuichi doesn't actually make his time travel wish for Ouma specifically, he wants to save all his friends. Timelines are messy esp at first bc he either tells then or it backfires or just makes himself look very sus bc he's trying not to tell them. He also realizes why Kokichi hadn't told anybody aby witches at some point, bc, yeah, it messes them a lot, assuming they believe it.
Still, Kokichi ends up one of the few people who are nearly always giving him a chance, not necessarily out of belief, but out of pragmatism - bro can stop time & knows the truth, that's just too useful. So they often work together & Shuichi grows closer to him but still we ain't there yet. But the thing is, Shuichi's time travel still makes Kokichi more & more powerful with each timeline, bc Shuichi usually goes back after Kokichi dies, so the universe figured out this guy's life's important. Anyway, another notable thing is the iconic Homura kills Madoka scene, but it's Saiouma with guest stars of Kaito & Maki. It's Walpy, it's not defeated yet, but the training trio are spent & just kinda accept their fate of turning into witches together. And then, boom, Kokichi appears & steals their Soul Gems for a sec & he's like did u know you can cleanse your Soul Gem with a darkened one? But it's a lie & he quickly tells them so, he just had a spare Grief Seed after cleansing his Soul Gem & he needs them to do some stuff. Shuichi can travel back in time & fix things, and Maki & Kaito are needed to fight Walpy here. He actually questions what happens to the timelines Shuichi leaves behin, and ofc he doesn't know. There's a chance they remain, so Kokichi needs Maki & Kaito to fight Walpy here.
Kaimaki leave, and Shuichi finally looks at Kokichi & realizes sth is Wrong. Kokichi struggles to hide how he's trembling & grimacing, and it's Kokichi, so obviously it must be extremely bad. Shuichi dreadfully realizes something worse, and he weakly asks Kokichi why aren't his wounds healing. And Kokichi just falls, laughing weakly, and Shuichi catches him & searches for his Soul Gem and, God, he knew it. It's nearly completely black. Kokichi laughs & admits he lied abt having two Grief Seeds, he only had one he never wanted to use. But they'll have the second one soon, so no need to worry. He asks Shuichi to maybe destroy his witch form as it's hatching, so he'll have the Grief Seed without any fighting… and he admits that he hates fighting, he hates this magical world and all its violence. He says that Kaito was right in calling him a coward, even here he just can't handle the idea of fighting any longer, he's so sorry. And Shuichi tells him he ISN'T a coward. He was scared, but he always followed everybody, trying to help, and when push came to shove he would always make a contract for the benefit of others rather than himself. He's a lot of things, but a coward isn't one. Kokichi actually tears up hearing that, and Shuichi promises he won't let him fight ever again, and especially he won't let him turn into a witch and hurt anybody, because he knows it's the last thing he's ever wanted. Even now he only accepts turning into a witch to help them fight to keep others safe. So Shuichi won't let him. Kokichi probably apologizes and thanks him and then he dies.
Keeping Kokichi from fighting starts off as a side quest that gains importance with time, bc it's something Shuichi won't compromise on (ah, trauma), which leads him to occassionally neglect others a bit, which makes them more likely to get hurt & ironically Kokichi more likely to make a contract, especially since he gets more powerful & Kyubey is more interested in him with each timeline. And that also makes him witch out super quick. Shuichi's paying more attention to him & over time grows resentful of others for how they're treating him. To Shuichi it's no question that Kokichi cares & is just doing his best to help, but nobody realizes that.
But the biggest obstacle in keeping Kokichi from fighting is actually Kokichi himself, bc he's too smart and nosy, lmao. Even if he knows nothing, he will find out quickly. Doesn't help that Kyubey wants him to make a contract.
Also, obviously Kaito is Sayaka-coded and Maki could be Kyouko-coded, so that's a thing, BUT it's usually Maki that witches out. Kaito is usually pretty close, but Kokichi intervenes & he survives, but Maki later cracks on her own (and since in the new timeline Kokichi isn't there, Kaito's the one to die, so he's still the secretary). So it's Kaito who gets the dramatic sacrifice. I imagine he genuinely hoped you could bring somebody back if you tried Very Hard & Kokichi called him a moron bc obviously it's not possible. If it was there'd be far less witches that there are. But it's Kaito, he doesn't listen to reason. So, Kokichi follows him to the labyrinth. At first Kaito's mad cuz what if Kokichi being there ruins the plan? Maki hates his guts! But eventually he gets hit pretty hard, and Kokichi is near immediately by his side, trying to help him get up, which kinda makes Kaito short circuit a little bc wait Kokichi's trying to help? But witch!Maki attacks them & Kokichi pushes Kaito away & gets caught himself (and choked until unconsciousness, naturally). Anyway, Kaito gets him away, Shuichi catches Kokichi & Kaito makes up his mind about going down with Maki & asks Shuichi to tell Kokichi that he's sorry. He doesn't get him, but he got hurt trying to protect him, so he'll believe in that if nothing else. F.
As for The WishTM, in the last timeline Shuichi lashes out at Kokichi for his willingness to just become part of the system. In no timeline has his wish actually helped, it did NOTHINHG, which OUCH but it also makes Kokichi think out of the box more & he becomes the Law of Cycles. And Shuichi realizes what is happening & freaks out bc Kokichi's doing it bc of what he told him & like Homura they end up having a momentTM in space & Shuichi remembers. He feels a lot of guilt even tho he also questions whether anything was real, but if it was, he pushed somebody he far too realized he loved into erasing himself from existence.
#hope it's not too long but i'll make it a read more if somebody thinks it is#i spammed discord i spammed bsky it's only fair i post it on tumblr too#kokichi ouma#shuichi saihara#saiouma#danganronpa#like obviously normally you'd go for something like Kokichi as Homura and Shuichi as Madoka and I'm just not that sure of it myself#like the vibes match at the first glance but the more I think about it the less it actually works for the characters in question#one of Kokichi's most defining chracteristics is that he cares a lot about everybody and frankly more than probably any other V3 character#but in a very... general sense if you get me. characters like Kaito and even Shuichi pick some people they like to care for and everybody#else is like whatever - sucked but now it's done like after Korekiyo's execution he says nothing abt him while both Makoto & Hajime offer#Celeste and Mikan some more thoughts and compassion; anyway obviously Kokichi doesn't care about say Kaede more than Shuichi but he still#gives all their lives the same amount of respect just for the sake of it; that's what makes chapter 4 so horrifying from his perspective#and also why in chapter 5 he isn't willing to do the same anymore and instead chooses to die himself so Maki of all people can survive and#so Kaito can go in a blaze of glory. and these two are arguably the two characters who treated him the worst (not that anybody treated him#well save for maybe Gonta and Kiibou). so i can't imagine Kokichi in Homura's role - reaching the point where he cares about only one perso#surviving while everybody else can die in a ditch bc the one time he picked his life over anybody else's he had a wholeass breakdown & then#killed himself several days later even though logically it would've made more sense to either kill Kaito who's dying anyway or throw Maki#under the bus since she was the one to fuck things up in the first place and proved herself to be a danger to the group.#Shuichi meanwhile he absolutely could given his lack of regard for some of the dead (Rantaro Ryouma idk abt Angie but I remember little#Korekiyo Miu and finally Kokichi himself) so he could snap at some point#anyway time to shut up it's getting long in these tags
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It's such whiplash from going from my corner of tumblr to tiktok when it comes to odysseus
Like here (in my corner idk about the rest) its pretty common knowledge that what happened to odysseus was sa, and most of the stuff abiut him are based off of the Iliad or Odyssey (or epic) and yk people know what they're talking about
And then
Then I go tiktok and it's all "odysseus is cheating scum! Circe, Calypso, and Penelope deserved better! He did them dirty! And achilles and patroclus! Terrible person! Bad! They're the victims!"
Which wild take but ok
#like circe i can see the confusion#but if you look into it (which these peoppe clearly did not its just a game of telephone) its clearly not him willingly cheating#like if he wanted his men back and yk not die it was kinda his only option#(side not i was reading this part in the Odyssey and the way circe just says “oh its you igwe need to fuck now Hermes told me so”)#BUT CALYPSO???#how#read a single line from this part of the book#it goes on and on how he doesnt want to#“one unwilling and the other way too willing”#A DIRECT QUOTE#and him crying on the beach everyday?#what from all that makes you think he wants to be thete#let alone calypso being the victim#and wdym penelope deserves better?? she has what she wants ODYSSEUS#penelope wants odysseus#they have a healthy marriage#wtf are you guys on about#i mean if you look at the caption itd be “just finished circe” or smth like that#so#not that surprising#anti tsoa#anti circe#anti madeline miller#the odyssey#odysseus#penelope#penelope of ithaca#circe#calypso
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