#sg: 5x17

[lenakluthor]

endless gifs of lena luthor ↝ 5x17 - deus lex machina

[aceofwhump]

Hi ace ☺️!!!!! My fav trope is forced to watch/listen (especially if they are in the same room and whumper does nothing to the caretaker but keep asking them to reveal their secrets if they want it to stop 😏) but I cant find nearly enough of this trope

So if you know any media with this trope in it can you share ?🥰

(Also it has nothing to do with the ask but whenever I think of people outside of tumblr I imagine them with their pfp so your face is aaron in my mind sk3kdkdk 😅)

Mmmm yes that is a very good trope and yes it's also hard to find. Sometimes it pops up in fanfiction but off hand I can't think of any (I read so many it's hard to remember sometimes and I haven't updated my masterlist in a little while with tropes). Let me see what I got to rec.

My immediate thought was Chicago P.D. 3x01 when the team watches via video while Jay Halstead is beaten and tortured.

Hawaii Five-0 10x22 Steve is forced to watch a beaten and bloodied Danny through a video sent to him.

There's also this scene in Red Notice where the Rock and Ryan Reynolds are tied up and The Rock's character is tortured.

In Iron Man 3 Tony is forced to watch as Pepper is injected with Extremis

The Following 2x07 has a scene where Mike Weston is forced to watch

Stargate Atlantis 3x07 John is tortured and a video of it is shown to the team.

Stargate SG-1 5x07 Danny is forced to watch Jack be tortured

Legends of Tomorrow 1x05 Mike and Ray are tortured in front of Stein.

Arrow 1x18 Roy is tortured in front of the others via video.

Killjoys 1x05 D'Avin is tortured and Johnny watches the video

Graceland 1x08 Mike Warren is forced to watch and participate in torturing someone.

Falling Skies 5x05 has a great listening scene

Avengers Infinity War Loki watches as Thor gets tortured

Teen Wolf 3x04 Derek is tortured by the Alpha pack while his sister Cora has to watch

A Discovery of Witches 3x06 Matthew is tortured in front of Diana

Hudson & Rex 3x09 when Charlie is buried alive and the team is shown him via live video

Sense8 2x11 (finale) when Wolfgang is captured and tortured

NCIS 3x08 when Tony gets beaten in front of Ziva and NCIS 7x01

9-1-1 5x17 when Chim is tortured in front of Hen

Also, to your last point, that's so funny and I honestly do the same thing and I'm honored to be seen as just Aaron Tveit running this blog lol.

[mgannmorzzsource]

[lena-in-a-red-dress]

My Thoughts on Supergirl 5x17

Okay, here’s the thing... We didn’t need an entire episode illustrating how Lex is perfectly in control of his new reality and that he’s leagues ahead of his opponents. We already knew this, and had been seeing enough snippets of this sort of action in previous episodes that we didn’t really need an entire episode about it. 

The only two sources of plot movement on a large and small scale came from Lena and Eve. With Lena’s kindness overriding her sense of betrayal, she traveled just a smidgen closer to resolving the rift between her and Kara. Eve thought she was getting out from under the season’s omnipotent baddie, only to find herself under the thumb of an equally vile overlord. In both instances, Lex reached out and wrenched both of them right back to where they started. 

If that isn’t a precise illustration for how Lex’s presence has essentially arrested any and all plot development in the show this season, I don’t know what is.

Some highlights:

- It had some beautiful visuals, and that is a fact. One shot that particularly caught my eye was one shot over the upper level banister while Lex and Lillian were playing chess. Made me a little disappointed that it wasn’t Lena spying on them, but still cool.

- The only interesting plot reveal out of the entire episode is that Lex caused the death of Jeremiah, and that’s only because I figured that Jeremiah dying was just a hand wave to get Alex stuck in VR.

- Mama Luthor!! 

- It’s a shame that Lex has so taken over the show that a Lex-heavy episode is no longer synonymous with a Lena-heavy episode. If anything, I expected to see some scenes where he and Lena had a chance to bond on an emotional level-- such as defending Lena’s pursuits to Lillian at family dinner, or playing chess, or having drinks.

- Is there a reason the Fortress of Solitude has a sun-eater casually chilling behind an unlocked door? Asking for a friend.

Overall:

The scene between Lena and Kara at CatCo was beautiful, and was a perfect first step to them healing. It’s a shame that Kara’s sensitivity seemed to evaporate during the scene at the Fortress. Finding the missing people was important, but not so urgent that Kara couldn’t have paused to explain that Lena might know of four other ways to track q-waves, but they didn’t have Lena to call on anymore. Instead she just brushed Lena’s concerns off in a fit of moral superiority and dismissed them as inconsequential to the urgency of the task at hand. 

It definitely reinforces the idea that Kara might be kind and sensitive as Kara Danvers, but cold and cruel as Supergirl. That sort of dichotomy won’t fly if Kara really wants to fix things with Lena.

[janeborn]

the one thing that REALLY disturbed me on last episode was the police officer that got the WHOLE BIG BEACH TOWEL out of his ass pocket.

[jennyboom21]

Kara in the Lexo suit!!

[worldsavinggenius]

Sooo is 5x17 gonna air next week, or is SG going on hiatus again?

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So the timeline looks like this: 5x13, kara says if you forgive me i'll be there for you, otherwise i'll treat you like a villain. 5x17, lena offers an olive branch and then takes it back after seeing kara with myriad & calls her two-faced. 5x18, kara is upset about her comment & decides that lena is now a luthor like lex ("where there is smoke there is a luthor" "stop BOTH the luthors") and is working with leviathan, saying there's nothing suggesting she's NOT working with them. In the (1/4)

same ep, laments they don't have lena to make a kryptonite suit for her. HDY make sense of this? To me it doesn't really make sense. In fact I feel like it's all over the place. Between 5x13 and 5x17 they didn't interact w/ each other right? 5x17, kara acts weird about the villain comment and is like oh maybe she's coming around about lex, and then when using myriad, unaffected by the villain comment again. 5x18 her opinion on lena does a complete 180. Maybe we're supposed to deduce that (2/4)

it's bc after lena appeared in the fortress the alien appeared and released the sun eater, & confessed that it was ordered by leviathan so kara thinks lena is linked to them. But the show is usually more explicit than that? So why do you think kara suddenly changed her opinions on lena in 5x18, when in 5x17 it was still hopeful/neutral feelings? I feel like it might have been a plot device to fuel kara's outrage for 5x19 when they finally talked, and by talked i mean kara releasing her (3/4)

righteous anger (remember when she said she only made one(1) mistake lmao). BC if it wasn't a plot device, I don't see how kara "lena is not like her family" danvers suddenly decided otherwise. Like what changed in between those episodes besides lena making that comment about her being two faced? (4/4)

It’s really too bad Kara and Lena interacted so infrequently in 5b, especially since Kara’s dialogue with others only indirectly referenced Lena, if at all. And on Lena’s side, her conversations with Lex offered no insight either. You’re right that it wasn’t exactly a clear line of progression. :)

I think we were meant to accept that Kara’s epiphany from the 100th episode and all the scenarios she ran with Mxy is that in the end, it didn’t matter that she never told Lena because the outcome was always going to be bad anyway. Therefore: she should stop feeling bad for not telling her. The burden then shifted to Lena - the scales are balanced! - and it was on Lena to see the light and repent for her sins.

Storywise, post-100th it just seemed like, once she had that epiphany, Kara stopped thinking about Lena altogether or got distracted by other things until it once again became important to the plot for her to have feelings about Lena and the wreckage of their friendship.

Can you imagine if SG recognized that they could expand on the complexity and depth of what we saw in the Catco scene, when Lena finds Kara to offer her condolences? That’s the emotional story they should have told.

[stranger-who-writes-fiction]

So 5x18...

...Well hot d*mn.

Man when Supergirl fires on all cylinders...HOO BOY.

Case in point: *gestures to all of 5x18*

To be clear: I liked this one.

A WHOLE LOT.

Not that I disliked 5x17, necessarily. It’s just that 5x18 was more... Entertaining? ...I dunno. I dunno how to explain it.

...Okay yes I do and that explanation is: Someone remarked on Kara’s use of language and Kara overcompensated on the ‘NOooOOooOO I’m totally 100% normal!’ AND there was a musical quote AND it was WHILE TEAMING UP WITH ALEX TO FOLLOW A LEAD.

But I’m getting ahead of myself let’s backtrack...

TO THE TOWER! WITH ALEX! NIA! KARA! AND M’GAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!

June Foray voice: WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAY FOREVER?!?!?!

I know I’m not the first person to make that reference but it’s always fitting and, for real, recurring character status WHEN. (I mean. Obviously I would prefer series regular but that feels like a big ask considering that all future TV production is...uh. Ah. Erm....

...Up in the air. At the moment.)

And then we check in with the Luthors and Non Nocere isn’t working???

I am shocked! Shocked, I say!

And then we’ve got Obsidian doing something ill-advised which is basically the company’s MO at this point but KELLY AND WILLIAM ARE ON THE CASE REGARDLESS.

(So that’s kinda the one thing I’m sad about re: the Crisis reset; Andrea’s character development. But she’s sticking around for next season so I’m not too upset that she remains...kinda...one note for now.)

And THEN the library scene. 

It was so gooooood.

Then Leviathan and okay. Alright. Okay. Huge points in this episode’s favor: Rama Khan feels like a far more significant threat. And I feel like 80% of that is the fact that they just let him wear normal clothes. Thank you, show. Thank. You.

Also the rock effects were way better in this episode because they weren’t footing the bill for a giant crossover episode this time around

I am a little confused, though, by what has and has not happened with regards to Rama Khan on Earth Prime. Did the pre-Crisis stuff...happen? The dialogue...kinda made it hard to decide one way or the other. ‘He hasn’t been seen on this Earth for 100s of years’ but then also, ‘a chilly place you know quite well.’ So...he...did go to the Fortress. And fight Kara? But...all that stuff before Crisis...???

...Not gonna bother with that right now.

POINT IS...Leviathan is finally like...invested in killing Supergirl* and menacing in a very real way which both raises the stakes and makes it personal and that’s way more interesting than ‘nebulous evil organization that must be stopped.���

*I know they kinda sorta already did the whole, ‘let’s kill the Kryptonian!’ and invaded the Fortress but I don’t know what to tell ya, it was just lackluster.

J’ONN AND M’GAAAAAANNNNN

I am firmly in camp: I don’t care if they’re never green again I love seeing them in the super suits with their human faces IT’S GREAT.

Love that Nia’s snoring interrupts the moment.

Also love the deck of Rama Khan playing cards, that must’ve been a fun project for the graphic designers.

Then we’ve got William and Kara at CatCo and it’s baked goods! A hilarious line delivery by Staz! A ridiculous fabrication involving a shy, violent cat!

...Now I want Alex to actually own a shy, violent cat!

“Cats love me, for some reason.” “Of course they do.”

Side note: Love Kara’s blazer.

And then it’s ALIEEEEEENS TO THE RESCUE!

WHAT A TEAM UP, FOLKS.

We love to see it.

The interrogation scene is good n’ tense and ramps up to a very impressive showdown in the DEO (but BEFORE the sparks really start flying we get that rad shot of Kara leaping through the window and doing the superhero landing and it’s just

Perfection.)

Also perfect? Lex playing a game of transmatter pickle with the prisoners.

Then we jump back to the DEO where things are not going well!

Like, really really bad! 

But J’onn and M’gann save the day! If not the building!

RIP DEO. 2016-2020

Obituary: The DEO headquarters is survived by its elder sibling, the DEO desert base.

Look none of the favs work there anymore save for Kara and Brainy and they’re both gonna be better off working freelance for J’onn but I do expect Brainy to at least pick up some additional cash by working as a Lyft driver next season.

Me, watching the characters struggle to make it in the gig economy: I feel so seen.

The final portion of the episode is just ALL ACTING and I must say...good stuff.

Like. This cast, man. They take the plot points I’ve been ‘meh’ about all season and they turn in some stellar performances and suddenly I’m like STANDING OVATION, CAN’T WAIT TO SEE WHERE THIS GOES.

Also, reason #342 I love Jon Cryer’s Lex: that scene with Lena.

Terrifying.

Full disclosure: I went in to this episode fully prepared to be really annoyed with whatever was going to happen with Lena and I still don’t...love the trajectory of this season, being so tied up in her personal drama but. 

But.

Katie McGrath’s performance...went an awful long way here. In making this...not as bad as it could have been.

Like tearfully admitting she was hurt? And that hurt was the basis of all the nonsense she pulled? Finally owning up to the fact that this was never truly about the greater good but that it was all rooted in some personal issues and OUTRIGHT STATING SHE WAS BEHAVING LIKE A VILLAIN????

I am. Extremely impressed.

EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THOUGH: Kara remaining distant both physically and emotionally throughout that scene! Not in like, a cold uncaring way, but in a, ‘I have emotions and I have a right to feel them and set boundaries in regards to my trusting you right now given all that has transpired’ kind of way.

GOOD. YES. GOOD.

(Lex’s outburst has that kind of same Nice Guy undertone--albeit more pronounced and rage-y--as Lena’s in the Fortress. Like, ‘I supported you and you still rejected my plot to take over the world’ and ‘I was kind to you and you still messed up my mind control’ which...I dunno I might just be digging in too deep here in order to further justify the character turn but I think Cryer’s performance regardless is a really sobering wake up call for Lena, different than Lex stuff we’ve seen before. It’s close and intense and uncomfortable in a way that really sells the motivation.)

“You’re a monster...but that doesn’t mean I have to be one too.”

Wow. Might be...the first time I’ve liked Lena all season.

...whispers: might be the first time I’ve liked her ever at all

For real: credit where it’s due, that was an excellent line read.

*insert applause here*

CUT TO ADORABLE J’ONN AND M’GANN MOMENT 

D’aaaawwwwwwwwww

But, look, it’s a little undermined by the fact that they both gotta try and embrace in those bulky super suits, I’m sorry, it’s true

...Maybe it’s more endearing that way?

HEY remember how I foolishly assumed that the now-unemployed Alex would simply continue to work with J’onn in an investigative capacity and, ya know, NOT jump straight back into costumed badassery? 

HA. HAHA HAHAAAA.

Those leaked set photos make sense now.

OH NO, WILLIAM!

Real glad Staz confirmed he’s returning. Otherwise I would not be able to DEAL WITH THE STRESS.

I already talked a little bit about the loft scene but some additional points! Beautiful lighting. Wonderful score. Excellent performances all around.

A truly great end to a truly great episode.

Like, it makes me retroactively sad, that we’re only getting 5x19, as opposed to 5x19 and 5x20 because I wish that the crew/writers/actors had a little more space to let all of this good work they’ve done settle and breathe. 

(But also, it was good that they stopped production, from a safety standpoint, so. Can’t be too upset.)

And, regardless of how the next episode goes down (b/c I’m gonna be real, SG always does really great set-ups for their season finales and then kinda...rushes to the finish line and that can only be further exacerbated in this particular case) I’m just really impressed with this effort here.  

...but also LET’S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME WILD GUESSES. Specifically, what is Alex’s vigilante name gonna be??? 

...

Alright I generally try to avoid addressing specific fandom complaints in these things b/c I generally try to avoid the fandom itself but of course some stuff has already leaked through all of my blocks/muting so:

‘Lena didn’t apologize!’ The words ‘I’m sorry’ were not said, sure, but 1.) season’s not over and 2.) for Lena, admitting she was wrong is huge. HUUUUUUUGE. It’s solid character growth and I really wish various subsets of fandom would recognize that it’s not fun, when fans hold on to negative stuff from characters’ past and refuse to acknowledge that the characters have changed.

‘Brainy should have seen this coming!’ This one is kind of more down to personal preference I guess but I feel like they’ve established that Brainy’s got a bit of a blindspot due to his feelings about his friends, so I don’t take this as a knock against his intelligence so much as him being stretched fairly thin because he’s playing all sides, and worried about the people he loves. YMMV, though. 

All the ‘fix-it’ stuff re: the last scene, by making Kara immediately forgive Lena. Lose me with that nonsense, bleh. 

[kendrene]

I love how they make it super clear Raelle is THE PROTAGONIST via the shots, colors they use. I gotta say, I am watching this back to back with SG 5x17 which they may as well start calling the Lexshow, so it’s refreshing. Also, so far, actually good effects? 

[karazrel]

I was looking at your gifset of Lena protecting Kara and I just... aside from that awful “ONE MISTAKE” line, I can’t with Kara being “I kept expecting you to not pull through”, as if Lena hasn’t been pulling through and protecting her as both Kara and SG for years, and even putting their differences aside to help her and do what’s good. I get Kara being hesitant to open up and getting hurt again, but that was some bs.

I’m actually conflicted about that particular line because on one hand, like you said, lena has been pulling through for years. She’s gone above and beyond, done every possible thing to help the sf, saved sg multiple times, even during crisis when they were on the outs, she’s literally done it all. On the other hand though I do understand why kara is hesitant right now, she spent all of 5x07-5x17 asking lena to pull through for her, not the world but for kara danvers, and lena hasn’t exactly been receptive to that, if anything opening herself up to lena has resulted in kara getting hurt. So imo that particular line (unlike the one mistake mess) was more so about karas fear of being disappointed and hurt again if lena reveals she’s been lying to her now too - because bear in mind kara hasn’t seen what went down in the lab with lex and non nocere - than it is her dismissing all the other times lena has pulled through

[lena-luthor]

sg 5x17 liveblog

[acecroft]

SGA 4x17 | SG-1 5x17

[colorful-dragon97]

Supergirl season 5 in a nutshell (part 1)

Me: ok this season is going to rock!! Fighting for Lena’s soul and crisis and the 100th episode!!!!

SG: ok so here we have Lena feeling extra hurt and wants to do something kinda bad. We have this asshole that is just... there

Me: ok uh... BUT there are cute Dansen scenes and we love Andrea!!!

SG: there is also the fact that we treat Lena like a villain even though we don’t want you to think that...

Me: ok... but we know that she is good cause after the whole thing, she was working with Alex on Crisis...right?

SG: oh yes but all that happend before crisis really doesn’t matter

Me: what do you me-

SG: yeah we decided that we are going to ignore the whole thing and add Lex into the mix

Me: ok... but Dansen and Brainia are still ok.. right?

SG: sorry kid but Brainy will break up with Nia just because he has to work with Lex in secret cause that’s the only way he could defeat Leviathan...

Me: i guess that makes sense... what about Kelly is she going to become Guardian?

SG: ...who?

Me: Kelly Olsen?

SG: i do not follow

Me *facepalm*: ok so anyways Kara is going to deal with how she lost her planet and the people she loved again and how she lost hope...

SG: Nah, she is doing just fine

Me: bu-

SG: Hey! We have Winn back!!

Me: yay those are going to be good episodes right?

SG: yeah he meets Nia and gives her advice, is so cute! Also you know what happens?

Me: What?

SG: William asks Kara on a date and everybody is incouraging her to go even though she doesn’t want to

Me *stressed*: what the... but she rejects him right?

SG: of course she does!

Me: oh thank g-

SG: but then he asks again cause he is a man that takes no for an answer and she says yes!

Me: what?! Wasn’t this show about femenism?!

SG: em.. emmm... *coughs* th-there is the 100th episode with lots of guest stars!!

Me: omg really?! Is Cat Grant back?!

SG: no

Me: Maggie Sawyer?

SG: no

Me: Lucy Lane?

SG: no

Me: then who?!

SG: w-well we have emm... Mon-El and emmm... that dude from the cult and... Otis Graves and Ben Lockwood...

Me *sarcastic tone*: that sounds fun...

SG: wAIT Sam is back!!!

Me: wait really!!??

SG: yeah!!! But it’s mostly Reign scenes

Me: oh... but the episode is promising right?

SG: yeah yeah Kara realises that Lena’s actions are not her responsability and that for now one, is up to Lena to decide what she wants to do! And Kara tells her that to her face!

Me: oh ok! That’s healthy! Good for Kara! Wait... wants to do with what?

SG: oh right so... Lena now works with Lex to stop Leviathan and she is still working on Non Nocere

Me: is Lena aware of all the things that happened pre-Crisis?

SG: yep

Me: and she is working with Lex...?

SG: yeah but she is a bit skeptical still...

Me: ok that’s a little bit reasuring I guess... Is she actually moving foward with Non Nocere?

SG: at the beggining yes and then no and then yes, because Lex convinced her

Me: you are puting Lena on and abusive relationship with her brother again?! Why?!

SG: because she can’t work with the Superfriends she’s still hurt!!

Me: but she is working with her EVIL brother who she clearly doesn’t trust! Why?

SG: Because she is a Luthor!

Me: wasn’t the point of her storyline to say that she actually is not??

SG: emmmm... ther is an episode about transphobia and in the same episode, Dansen has a VR adventure!!

Me *not trusting them anymore*: how are you going to fuck up that?

SG: we actually did pretty good on that episode

Me: yeah you guys actually did! Wait where was Nia before 5x15 episode?

SG: oh you know just... over there...

Me: do we see her work with Kara?

SG: what?! Nia doesn’t work at CatCo!!

Me:... yeah she does!

SG, looking through S4 *whispers*: oh shit he is right...

SG: No no, actually Kara will be working with William!

Me: why?

SG: because he is a hot guy!

Me: ok and..?

SG: and what?

Me: what else does he brings to the table?

SG *sweats*: Oh emm... his bff was killed by Leviathan so... he is part of that story...

Me: yeah but the dude was also Andrea’s bf... so... if you wanted to show how bad is Leviathan then you could just... tell the story through Andrea and you don’t need William!

SG: yeah but Kara needs a L.I

Me: does she really?

SG: i mean yeah...

Me: ok moving on... anything else?

SG: Jeremiah died

Me:...out of nowhere?

SG: i mean... we can’t close that narrative any other way cause Dean Cain is an asshole

Me: i mean true but you could just have... hired another actor...

Sg: this way is easier...

Me: ok so, how does Alex and Kara deal with this?

SG: Alex gets addicted to a VR world where ahe is Supergirl

Me: that sounds cool!!

SG: Melissa is directing 5x17!!!

Me: that is awsome im so proud!!!

SG: her episode is Luthor Centric and Lillian is there!

Me: that’s cool! Is she working with Lex?

SG: yeah she is but we don’t know if she is working with Lena to take him down or working with Lex to take Lena down you know?

Me: what about you adress that?

SG: nah

Me: ok emmm... anything else??

SG: Hope is back... we forgot about her...

Me: i thought so

*to be continue*

[jennyboom21]

The pic was Eliza and Jeremiah