#sexist babylon

[oldshowbiz]

Whammo: Much Fun For Everyone

[beevean]

But Lanolin is just trying to do her best with what information she has!

If your teammates are afraid to come to you and saying just about anything to you in fear of being the target of your wrath resulting from it, than you're a shitty leader. I'd even go as far to say that Lanolin is a bully at this point. Which, again, it wouldn't bother me as much if characters who wouldn't otherwise put up with ir weren't lobotomized in order to tuck their tail in between their legs. Tangle's girlfriend was pretty much assaulted by Lanolin, yet she and Silver don't really say or do shit about in any way that actually matters. So much for Tangle being a "kick butt girl".

Yeah. Tangle should not be afraid that Lanolin might do "something" if she learned that Sonic disrupted the race. Anyone in her place would simply be confused and ask questions, because this is not Sonic's modus operandi at all and so it would mean that something's going on (pretty much the Babylon Rogues' reasoning).

But Lanolin doesn't ask questions. Lanolin has been shown to only assume and judge. She never questioned Silver when he accused Duo of leaving him to die, he just berated him like an angry mother (and Silver forgot he could yeet her away with a flick of his mind). She never questioned Whisper's unusual aggressiveness towards Duo (and never thought "huh, two people have come forward against him"), she shut down any sort of conversation and then resorted to physical violence when Whisper did not fall back in line. She also recently spared no thought and no pity for Sonic, Tails and Amy hurting themselves on the track, only barked at them to move out. And I didn't even mention how aggressive she has been towards Tangle specifically, like when she yanked the paddleball from her hands.

I don't blame Tangle for being scared of her, she is finally having a human reaction, although I question why this brave adventurous girl would be all shaking at the sight of a furious Lanolin - she, too, is much stronger and more experienced than her. But I could be generous and say that it's a good representation of how much abuse can beat you down to the point where you see yourself as much weaker and stupider than you actually are, much like Whisper who was made to not trust herself anymore. By all means, in a well written story, this should be the tipping point where Lanolin is left alone by her colleagues, because she is anything but a team player, and she has caused nothing but harm to the whole squad.

But hey, she's just a flawed, complex #girlboss, so it's all okay :^) and if you hate her you're a sexist misogynist anyway :^)

[jellogram]

I feel like the recent failures of several "visionary" type films (Babylon, Amsterdam, and now Megalopolis) is going to seem to the studios as evidence that the public doesn't want original stories. That remakes and sequels are the safer bets because this cinephile stuff isn't selling.

And I'm just like. How about we get some directors who aren't white men who make oscar bait? At what point did "Get a bunch of A-listers in a room with a $100 million dollar budget and you can never fail" become good advice? Instead of throwing money at a sexist pervert who hasn't made a good movie since the 70s, can we maybe invest a fraction of that budget into some lesser known filmmakers? Can we find some middle ground between "Superhero movie #43366" and "Straight white guy with questionable politics jerks off into a pile of money"?

[the-boys-analysis]

Okay, so this is a weird criticism of The Boys, but Homelander's whole fascist takeover that currently is his main shtick is not something he came up with organically. It's a variant on Stormfront's plan, which she pushed on him as a romantic gesture (because these people are super messed up). Technically, the main antagonist is a man finding success through the contributions of a woman who does not receive credit for it. It seems to me to be an example of sexism in the writing of the show that hides behind "She's a hated villain, so who cares?", following in the sexist pattern of Supernatural's Ruby and Whore of Babylon plotlines.

[canonmisogynyvictimstournament]

Sorry for my rant about Delenn (Babylon 5), I am aware that while her story is sexist it is not near the worst, but damn, there is just something so devastating about seeing an amazing, complex, powerful and smart woman as a teen, relating to her and loving her, and then she ends up being just another ornament for just another man.

I always support rants, anon, you did great! And, god, isn't that a familiar sentiment for so many of us; you hit the nail on the head there, anon.

[lennier]

Hi! As with many human words, there's a lot of cultural context behind "incel" which means that even if you fit the technical definition, you probably shouldn't call yourself it (and the person who called you it was trying to insult you). The woman who came up with it was trying to set up a support group for people who hadn't had sex and felt as though society was playing a big part in why they hadn't. However, the term quickly started to be used by men who specifically blamed women for not having sex with them, not just general society/beauty standards/etc like the creator intended. Some of those men have gone on to do terrorist mass killings against women and "normal" men (who have had sex).

So the person who called you an "incel" wasn't just trying to insult you for not having had sex; they were trying to insult you by calling you sexist against women, violent, and entitled.

Here's an article about the woman who created the term and how she feels about it now:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/25/woman-who-invented-incel-movement-interview-toronto-attack

Hope this helps!

I gotta be real with you I'm a joke Babylon 5 roleplay blog.

[creature-wizard]

What's inherently wrong with Babalon? I know with Crowley it was really sexist, and to be fair I see men who follow that idea of her. And of course there was the cultish Scarlet Woman thing with human women.

But I know tthere are people (mosty women), who are non-Thelemites and approach her aiming to deconstruct Crowley's bullshit and form a different understanding of her. I'm genuinely asking rather than discussing, why do you consider Babalon thing inherently bullshit?

The very name implies some weird conspiratorial shit about Christianity and glosses over where the Whore of Babylon was a political attack on the Roman Empire, who was actively colonizing and oppressing Jews at the time. Like I think if you want a feminine figure you can construct one without using a name that does this.

[standard-human]

funny story about the second panel:

i went to a bookstore a week or two ago, and they had a pride table. i recognized a lot of the books, and the ones i didnt looked like they fit. but then i saw it-

the babylon bee guide to gender.

the pride section included an incredibly transphobic, homophobic, and sexist book. you cant make this shit up

[darkmaga-returns]

Even the Babylon Bee couldn't top this one - and they tried.

Jenna McCarthy

Oct 15, 2024

It’s no secret (and no surprise) that there are voters out there who will cast a ballot for Not-Donald-Trump on Election Day for one absurdly irrelevant and undeniably sexist reason: the fact that she has a vagina. (The irony that this is coming from the same swath of the population who thinks identifying as someone who has a vagina is the same thing as having a vagina should really be lost on no one. Perhaps Trump should start identifying as a lesbian. That would throw libs into a spin!)

NPR recently asked “three women from different backgrounds” [i.e. two are Black] to detail why they’re voting for Harris. Spoiler: All three (circuitously and separately) credited the VEEP’s status as a possessor of lady parts.

Common sense dictates, then, that there might similarly be penis owners out there who would not vote for a broad for that very same reason. What’s a well-meaning, genital-obsessed group of Harris supporters to do (besides launch an Hombres Con Harris campaign to mobilize Hispanic males, obviously)?

Enter: Man Enough.

[oldshowbiz]

1973.

[margridarnauds]

I’m sleep deprived, so have my B5 Hot Take:

If the roles had been reversed, with Sheridan trying to get Delenn to have sex in front of a crowd because of his culture, with Delenn highly reluctant after having been led to believe she was JUST having sex with him, the fandom would not be NEARLY as keen to paint him in the right and her as disrespectful

[theabstruseone]

This version originates from Ovid, who was literally a pick-up artist who wrote a manual on "seducing" women that would land someone in jail today. He inserted an epic amount of misogyny into the myths (a lot of it directed at Athena). Ovid was a Roman living in the rule of Emperor Augustus and there is NO Greek source that has this version of the myth. It originates with Ovid who was a sexist misogynist asshole.

There's a lot of academic conjecture about this because there are few sources and it's really strange because Dionysus was originally a very different god in Bronze Age/Mycenaean myths than he was in later Hellenistic myths, and it's weird because the reshuffling happened not during the Bronze Age Collapse/Dark Ages but AFTER a lot of the Epics were written and was likely between 400-350 BCE as sources during Plato's time differed on who the 12 Olympians were. One explanation is Hestia stepped down, another is that Hestia's seat was empty because she was always tending the hearth of Olympia so it was given to Dionysus.

This is a modern interpretation of the myth, but there are very few sources about Persephone and Hades because people tended not to write much about them outside the Epics and other Big Stories because they were scared shitless of them. ESPECIALLY of Persephone, who was a goddess of the underworld longer than Hades was part of the myth (Hades shows up during the Hellenistic era but not during the Mycenaean era or prior). This modern interpretation is also not outside the bounds of the original intent as it simply gives Persephone agency in her arranged marriage. Also, Hades has suffered a lot of mischaracterization due to his association with the underworld and conflation with the Christian idea of Satan/Lucifer/The Devil. So technically this is the modern myth as it originates in the modern day, but it is also not an off-the-wall interpretation of the original myths either.

No, she knew. Pandora was a "gift" from Zeus as punishment for Prometheus giving man fire knowing full well what would happen all the way back in Hesiod's Theogony. The "she didn't know" version isn't exactly modern though as it originates in the 1600s when a French writer added it to his translation of Ovid's Metamorphosis (oddly, Ovid didn't write about Pandora which is weird because, like I said before, he's a sexist prick).

This one's all over the place because some myths have this myth while some say Jason rejected her because having a woman on the ship would cause problems. It's similar to Heracles who sometimes was on the Argo and sometimes wasn't. Either way, Jason is an ass and Medea deserved her revenge. Anyway, in the versions where Atalanta was an Argonaut, she kicked the shit out of Peleus in a wrestling match during the funeral games for King Pelias. It's one of the few things we know for damn sure because Greek artists LOVE putting this scene on pottery.

This version comes from Nathanial Hawthorne who for some reason wanted to ramp up the stakes. Because slowly starving to death because all the food he ate turned to gold was apparently not enough.

I don't think "widely" is appropriate, but she definitely was worshiped as a war goddess by some under the epithet Aphrodite Areia and likely entered into the Greek pantheon during the Mycenaean age from Babylon as Ishtar and entered Greece through Sparta. So yeah, "War Goddess Aphrodite" was definitely a thing.

Hello internet user whose entire concept of feminism comes from tiktok. In front of you are three ancient myths about women. You have five minutes to figure out which one of them was made up in the 1970s. If you choose wrong, you will be ripped to pieces by Maenads.

[gumx395]

Eternals Film Review: This is NOT your diversity darling

So I saw Marvel’s Eternals yesterday. It’s a week late, but I honestly didn’t think I would see it at all considering I just haven’t been as on top of Marvel products lately, nor have they impressed me much. But a friend wanted to see it for her birthday, and I figured that, worst case scenario, I’d at least get to enjoy some nachos in the movie theater’s comfy new recliners while a mediocre movie played in the background.

I was wrong, in the worst possible way.

I want to start this off by saying that I went in knowing that the Eternals, as a comic book group, has anti indigenous sentiment in it, and by this point I’ve seen all the “Marvel made a gay black man responsible for Hiroshima” memes. I went in thinking I knew the levels of racist it would be, and tried to brace myself accordingly. I grew up a half Mexican half Salvadoran mestiza, by this point I’m used to racism against my ancestors and my people getting swept under the rug. I figured I could sit through those scenes and make it to the end of the film still pretending I had a good time. I was not, in fact, prepared for what I ended up seeing.

Marvel’s Eternals is a racist, sexist, and ableist film hiding behind “diverse casting”. Let me count the ways.

the anti indigenous stuff is so much worse than I originally thought. Before watching the film, my friends and I discussed its origins in the comics, how it might be changed in the film, and whether or not it’s even possible to extract it from their story. Well, turns out we debated for nothing, because they didn’t even try. We see the ancient Aztecs being massacred while the Eternals stand by and debate the ethics of getting involved. The slaughter of my ancestors is used as background noise for the Eternals’ personal drama. Druig, the Eternal capable of mind control, argues to use his powers to make the Spaniards stop. I remember thinking “ok, a bit white savior-y, but I like him for that.” And then he proceeds to mind control the Spaniards AND the Aztecs to end the scene. It’s haunting, seeing him do that. But he’s not done there! When the others catch up to him in modern times, he’s in an indigenous village in the Amazon, essentially playing god, using his mind control to act through them and speak through them. It’s heavily implied he, a white man, is treated as a god. When the Deviants show up, he essentially uses them as red shirts to fight them. He has to be told by others not to risk these people’s lives without their consent.

As someone who briefly dabbled with the idea of becoming an anthropologist in college, I learned that the Middle East is THE place to go for archeology and anthropology. The real world reason for this is because this is where different ancient human groups met up, traded, and procreated with each other. It’s regarded as the place where human civilization was able to spread and grow. In the film, however, this is rewritten as the spot where the Eternals first landed on Earth. Not only do we SEE them create all human inventions, we see them DEBATE whether the people there, the ancient Arabic people, are ready for certain inventions (according to the Eternals, they weren’t ready for the steam engine, but they might be able to manage a gardening plow). We get a scene where one of the Eternals, Makkari, is trading with and stealing from these people, and the ancient Arabic men in particular are, in that scene, portrayed as violent and as swindlers specifically to push the romance between Makkari and Druig. This scene is part a few that imply that the empire of Babylon was successful specifically due to the Eternals’ involvement.  When the Eternals return to Iraq in the modern day, we see that Makkari has been hoarding archeological findings in their spaceship.

In case you haven’t seen the Hiroshima memes (just typing that makes me sick), Phastos, the gay black Eternal primarily responsible for human technological advancement, feels personally responsible for Hiroshima. How it’s shown in the movie is Phastos and Ajak, sharply dressed, are walking among the ruins after the atomic bomb is dropped. Phastos cries and, while kneeling among the ashes of innocent Japanese civilians, says “humanity isn’t worth saving”. Maybe it wasn’t meant this way, but you can’t help but feel like the innocent people that were wiped out are being put in the same category as the white imperialists who just wiped them out.

Gemma Chan’s character, Sersi, is a tradfem fantasy. Now, before you assume I mean “all feminine characters exist for male consumption”, no, that’s not what I mean. I love when the female lead is allowed to be deep AND strong AND sensitive AND feminine. I have fought tooth and nail for feminine woman characters to be given the respect they deserve. But that’s not what Sersi is. While I’m not saying you can’t like, or love, or even feel represented by her character, you cannot deny she lacks serious depth. The entire establishment of her character is done through the eyes of the white men that are in love with her. They fall for her while watching her serve, and give, and do stereotypically feminine things, NOT through talking to her and getting to know her. We never see why SHE loves THEM, we just assume that, well, he’s an impressive masculine specimen, so why shouldn’t she fall in love with him, right? When Ajak dies, she chooses Sersi to succeed her as leader of the Eternals, but we never get a reason WHY. I don’t even think we see them have so much as a proper conversation, but we’re meant to assume Ajak just felt that Sersi was “good” and “kind” enough to be the leader, NOT that she felt Sersi would be a competent leader. Sersi’s entire motivations throughout the movie are “I love these two men” and “humanity dying is bad”. We don’t see her have any desires or needs outside of that.

All of the women of color are either fridged by an awful white man (Ajak) or in love with an awful white man (Sersi and Makkari). As a Mexican woman, seeing one Mexican woman get killed mercilessly and another Mexican woman fall in love with a man who treats the indigenous people of Latin America as little more than police dogs was disturbing on a whole other level.

Now to the ableism. I don’t want to speak too much on how they used the actress for Makkari, Lauren Ridloff’s, deafness in the movie, as I’m not deaf myself, but I’ll lay it out and let you come to your own conclusion: the character is also deaf, and sign language is used in the movie. It’s stated in the movie that she can sense all vibrations in the world, including people’s vocal cord movements, so she can “feel” what others are saying rather than hear. Sometimes the other Eternals use sign language with her, sometimes they don’t, either implying she reads their lips or can “feel” what they’re saying.

What I DO feel comfortable talking about, as someone with various mental illnesses and disorders, is how they handled Thena, Angelina Jolie’s character. Early on in the film (during the genocide scene, actually), she gets a psychological condition that only Celestials get that causes her to lose touch with reality. Despite the fact that the in-world explanation for it is simply that she’s remembering past lives, it causes her to be violent with her fellow Eternals, resulting in her being given the option to either be killed or have her memories wiped, thus erasing who she has come to be as a person. This reeks of real world eugenics as well as the stereotype that the mentally ill are inherently violent. Gilgamesh, the most physically strong of the Eternals, offers to be her caretaker, and they live in complete isolation for thousands of years. When the others meet up with them in modern day, we get a scene straight out of an ableist horror movie, with Thena sitting under a tree, surrounded by bones and scribbling creepy drawings. Once the existence of their past lives is revealed, her psychological disorder is used solely as a plot device and then just.....vanishes.

I honestly had to stop myself from leaving the the theater several times throughout the film. It was infuriating, it was disgusting, and it was PAINFUL. None of what I just wrote can be swept under the rug or circumvented by the color blind casting. Making Ajak a Mexican woman doesn’t make her advocating for letting my ancestors get slaughtered any less awful, it just makes Ikarus killing her that much more uncomfortable.

Usually when I leave a movie, even if I didn’t like it, I love to come onto Tumblr and Twitter to see what people think and what they took from it. But for the first time, I can’t bring myself to see people praise this film for false diversity, or stan a ship that makes my stomach turn, or make photosets of how beautiful a character that’s seeped in harmful tropes is.

The Eternals is not a good movie. Not only do I not recommend it, but I sincerely hope it flops so bad that Marvel gives up on a sequel. Another film with this group should not be made.

[blackhakumen]

Mini Fanfic #1023: Boney Jokes (Sonic X Crash X Undertales)

5:45 p.m. at the Smash Town's Halloween Store........

Coco: (Holds Up a Toy Skeleton and Uses it's Jaw to Speak in a Skeltor Like Voice) Miles Tails Prower! It is I, Sir Skullohein the III, would like to tell you a spooky joke!

Tails: (Chuckles Lightly) Okay, sure. Lay it on me, Mr......Skullohein.

Coco: The Third. You forgot the third- ANYWAYS! Tell me, my good man: What is a skeleton's favorite snack to eat?

Tails: I.....don't know honestly.

Coco: Go on. Guess. What is a skelton's favorite snack?

Tails: (Shrugs) Death?

Coco: Nooooo. Keep guessing!

Tails: (Starts Giggling Some More)

Coco: Why are you laughing? I haven't delivered the punchline yet!

Wave: (Walks Up to the Duo With her Arms Crossed Together) What are you two doing?

Tails: (Waves at the Older Sparrow While Trying to Contain his Giggles) Hehehe Hi Wave~

Coco: (Turns to Wave While Using the Toy Skelton to Bow it'sHead at Her) Good evening, my good madam. My name is Sir Skullohein the III! And I am here try to tell this giggling HOOLIGAN over here a proper joke! Has the nerve to be known as The smartest hero of all of Time Square....

Tails: (Continues Giggling) How do you even know that bit of information?~

Coco: Where else? THE INTERNET! Now keep guessing! (Use the Skelton's Arm to Point at Wave) That goes for you too, missy! What's a skeleton's favorite snack?

Wave: ('Scoffs') I dunno. Bones?

Coco: ......BONES!? That's your answer: BONES!? (Slams the Toy Skeleton's Head Onto a Nearby Box) Why would we have our arms and legs for snack!?

Tails' laugh starts getting louder the more Coco's skeletor's voice starta cracking him up even more.

Coco: Aren't you supposed to be the brains of the Babylon Rogues or whatever!? Why must you and your fox friend fail me so often!?

Wave: ('Sigh') Okay, so what's the real answer then?

Coco: Ribs.

Wave: Ribs?

Coco: RIBS!

Wave: Ribs.

Coco: SPARE RIBSSSS!~

Wave: Uh-huh. (Crosses her Arms Again) And how exactly do you eat ribs without a tongue? Or a digestive system in that boney body of yours?

Coco: .........Okay. That's it. I quhiiit!~(Finally Breaks Character and Giggles)

Wave: Finally done with the Skullohein bit?

Coco: (Points her Finger Up) You forgot the III~ And yeah.....(Sighs While Calming Herself Down) I'm done for now. (Looks Down at the Toy Skeleton WIth a Bright Smile) I think I might bring this little guy to trick-or-treating with us this year.

Tails: (Smiles Brightly) You should. You got the pompous, skeleton accent down perfectly!

Wave: (Rolls her Eyes)And obnoxiously so....

Coco: (Smirks Confidently While Pushing Up the Back of her Ponytail) Well, I do have a natural talent for voice overs from time to time~ (Comes Up With an Idea of Sime Kind) Ooh!~ That gives me an idea for a new Halloween costume. (Places her Hand Onto her Chest in a Dramatic Like Fashion) I'll play the role of Skullohein's faithful assistant: Mad'am Skulldenia~ Has a nice flare to it, don'tcha think?~

????: Eh. It needs more of a boney feel to it if ya know what I mean.

The trio gets startled and huddle up to one another before slowly looking back to see a familiar looking skeleton fellow wearing a blue hoodie, shorts, bedroom slippers, and a grin to boot, staring at them.

Coco: Oh hey it's Sans.

Sans: (Casually Salutes and Winks at the Trio) Yo.

Wave: (Eyes Widens a Bit in Genuine Surprise) Wait, he's real? (Turns Back to Tails and Coco) I always thought he was just some guy in a costume.

Sans: Nope. (Shrugs) I'm as real as I can get. They have opened up audition of me here and there. (Shrugs Again) It's a shame they couldn't find anyone who could match my charms. I would've more than glady gave them a hand.

'BADUM TSS'

Wave: (Sighs While Rolling her Eyes Again) There goes the unneeded puns.....

Tails: So what brings you here you today?

Sans: I'm just looking for some costumes that could suit my bro and Frisk's style for the Halloween occasion. Can't be here too long though. The Universe's Sexist Man's Co. wants me to come by their studios to get some pictures taken. (Smirks a Bit Smugly) Kinda of an offer i couldn't refuse, ya know?

Wave: You are...... (Examines the Blue Hooded Skeleton's Body From Top to Bottom)....Quite the looker alright....

Coco: (Smiles Brightly) Congrats on making it to the big leagues kind of!~ Excited to see your face printed on the magazine covers?

Sans: Yeah. Wouldn't say I'm ecstatic about it or anything like that, but it'll still be neat to see myself in the papers somewhere.

A yellow flower, sitting on Sans' hoodir sudden reveal his face from behind the skeleton's back with a smug look on his face.

?????: ('Scoffs') Please. Who would be stupid enough to pay money to see that ugly, horrid face of yo-

A blue aura suddenly surrounds the flower's body as he gets levitated mid-air for a brief second before violently getting slammed into a cardboard box woth a loud crash, leaving the tech trio's eyes to widen up in fear.

Wave: Wh.....W-Who was that just now?

Sans: No one important. (Blue Eyes Begins to Appear Inside his Skull) Not now and a million, agonizing years....

Wave: .............Ooookay. I think it's time for us to go now, so.....(Quickly Sprints Away)

Tails/Coco: (Follows Behind Wave While Waving Goodbye to Sans) Happy Halloween, Sans!

Sans: (Happily Waves Bacl to the Kids) Have a Happy Halloween to you too, kids. Don't be a boneified stranger now!

BADUM TSS'

Sans: (Chuckles Lightly Before Sighing) To be young. (Slowly and Menacingly Turns his Attention Towards the Injured Flower) Now then.....

??????: (Groans While Getting Himself Up From the Boxes He Crashed into) What in the.....blazes.....

Sans: You know, you really need to learn how to keep your mouth shut around here. (Turns to The Flower With Blue Eyes Appearing Back in his Skull) Flowey.

Flowey: (Glares Back at Sans While Growling) Really? So your method in doing so is to send me colliding into a bunch of boxes with little to no care in the world!? Your barbaric actions never fails to digust me, peasant! Imagine what poor Frisk would say if she finds out that you treated her poor flower companion in mistreatful manner. What will you say them, huh!?

Sans glares hard at Flowey for a few more seconds before calming himself down by taking a deep breath.

Sans: Whatever. There's no point wasting anymore time on something pointless. (Picks Flowey Up From the Boxes) Just know that you're five seconds away from being erased if you keep acting up. (Blue Eyes Reappears Again) Got that?

Flowey: ('Hmph') You would do the same to keep YOURSELF in check as well. (Grits his Teeth in a Menacing Manner) Sans......

@keyenuta

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@caleb13frede

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[drsilverfish]

The Absence of the Feminine in 15x19 Inherit the Earth

I’ve been thinking about the fact that Amara’s absence from 15x19 Inherit the Earth felt... really disappointing. And how that deliberately parallels the disappointment the narrative itself creates at Cas’ absence in 15x19 too (Dean running to the door of the bunker, only to be faced with the huge let down that is Lucifer).  

I’ve previously written about the ways in which Amara and Castiel have been paralleled in the SPN narrative here: 

https://drsilverfish.tumblr.com/post/133295635934/amara-and-castiel 

and here:

https://drsilverfish.tumblr.com/post/633588894701682688/amara-and-castiel-parallels-in-15x17

I was hoping Amara would, as an active power, evidently, transform Chuck from the inside in 15x19 Inherit the Earth; i.e. that feminine power in the narrative would come rushing back.

And in one sense, of course, that did play out. Amara did transform Chuck. 

The ineffable power of the Divine, including Amara, moved on from its vessel Chuck (the Demiurge, or lesser God in Gnosticism) who had proved unworthy, and into its new vessel, Jack Kline Novak Winchester; part human and part divine.  

And inside Jack, Amara’s Goddess-power is in harmony, and in balance, with the God-power of the universe; Creation and Destruction, Alpha and Omega, the End and the Beginning, united at last, in an alchemical Sacred Marriage. 

Indeed, the first power Jack exhibited, after he exploded in The Empty and returned to earth, was a power more compatible with The Darkness and with endings (Amara’s traditional function). He kept sucking the life out of vegetation in 15x19:

Still, Amara’s voice and her form were absent in 15x19.

Just as Castiel was absent in 15x19.

The disappointment at their absence, which the narrative itself creates in relation to Cas, fits with the metanarrative feat S15 is attempting to pull off, in which the current SPN writers’ room drags elements of SPN’s own narrative - personified in Bad Writer Chuck (who is partly a writers’ room self-send-up, and, perhaps, partly, no doubt, a stand in for Exec Level at the CW Network).

God (Chuck), as Metatron said, in 8x23 Sacrifice, was always “a bit of sexist.”

And so has the show been, let’s acknowledge that; the writers’ room is :-).  

So, of course, in the final chapter written by Chuck, 15x19, (although, notice, in that episode, that the Winchesters and Jack start to take over as narrators, as they begin to win) the feminine would be absent. 

Chuck has always tried to write the feminine (which is symbolically equated with love in SPN) out of the narrative. He wanted a story about monsters, not love.

Chuck’s removal of the feminine from the SPN narrative on the earthly plane, mirrored his original sin, of locking away his sister, Amara, starting with the original fridgings of Mary Winchester and Jess. Followed by (remember Old Sexist SPN) the “ganking” of such Biblical anti-woman depictions as the Monstrous Eve, The Whore of Babylon and Lilith.    

As a result, of course, of all the dead, or absent, or monstrous women, Chuck accidentally super-charged his story with homo-eroticism (lol) but that wasn’t his intention. Castiel was, in Chuck’s view “broken” because Cas rebelled and wrote his own (queer) love script. 

So, Chuck tried to remove Cas from the story too; his ideal SPN ending being a Winchester Brothers Only Murder-Suicide, another revenge tragedy. We saw that played out on the angelic plane in the final fratricidal killing of Lucifer by Michael in 15x19.

But Chuck didn’t kill Amara, although his sibling rivalry with her was his driving creative force. He thought he’d won, when he absorbed her in 15x17 Unity. But, she simply moved on from him, to a higher plane, united with Jack. 

Now that Chuck’s power over the story has ended, I am hoping the feminine will return to the narrative in 15x20, in the form of Mary Winchester, Donna and Jodie, Charlie, Eileen, and... Castiel. Castiel, who has been symbolically placed: 1) through his parallelling with Amara, and with Eileen; and 2) through Chuck’s repeated attempts to banish him, in the place of “the feminine”.

Let’s hope the narrative can now, fully, take Becky Rosen’s note (from 15x04 Atomic Monsters):

“It’s feeling a little… thin? Low stakes? It’s fun to hear the boys’ voices, but a story is only as good as its villain, and these villains are just not feeling very… dangerous? Not to mention, there’s no classic rock. No one even mentions Cas. The climax is a little stale.”  

[allronix]

I mean, it's not kidnapping. There's proper paperwork, filled out in triplicate stating the Order gets legal custody. Where I question it is...government backed, heavily armed recruiter...versus a scared parent trying to do right by their FS tot and unsure where to turn. I mean...I'm kinda picturing Bester from Babylon Five sporting a lightsaber here. (Or, for a more recent example, The Illusive Mr. Lawson from Mass Effect) Superficially polite and affable, all about the greater good, and a true believer in what he's selling, everything has perfectly legal, ass-covering paperwork...but scratch the veneer and you get a really nasty son of a bitch.

Now, I'm primarily Legends, especially Old Republic. In those stories, there were so many ethical corners cut by Jedi management that they ended up walking in circles. So...what exactly was keeping these recruiters from misbehaving, abusing their power, or outright threatening these parents into handing over the kids "for the greater good?" What safeguards would the Order have in place? Or would they just assume, like they did with Dooku until it was too late, that one of their own would be incapable of misconduct and that any protest on the part of the parents would be "that shadow of greed?" (Yes, theoretical. No, I skipped past Traviss and went straight to Brin. I have yet to see any of the "but it's adoption!" posters address the concern)

And Force help you if you're a female/carrying Jedi who gets pregnant. Most of the time, it's a sentence of shunning and Exile with the kid "adopted" into the Order and never seen again if they turn out Sensitive. Male/noncarrying may be tacitly encouraged to leave behind a trail of bastards so the recruiter can come by and harvest later. (At least in Legends. Disney may want to address this and dial it back so it's not such an amazingly sexist piece of lore)

They only make statues for MASTERS who leave. If you are a Padawan or Knight? Well, something of an unperson situation.

Sure you can leave...if you enjoy a short life with a target on your back, no financial or social support, no transition assistance. Just the clothing and big target on your back. Dooku had a trust fund and Anakin had a potential sugar mama. If you had neither, Force be with you because no one else will.

Go back to your family? Sure...if you know who they are, where they are, and you have the knowledge they gave you up to the space wizards and went no contact. IRL, this kinda screws up a lot of adoptees because of the question "Did my birth parents love me and gave me up because it's best or did they just not want me?" (Which is one of the better arguments for open adoption, so that the kid never has to ask that question.)

Plus, y'know, trained only for one job which...skills may or may not be applicable elsewhere. Plus the target on your back. Employers may like some of the skillset, but they won't want to risk some pissed off crime boss bashing down their door to take shots at the new hire. Better to hire a muggle with less risk and the ex-Jedi goes back to sleeping under a bridge.

People will stay in bad situations for far less. Better the Devil you know and all that.

I will edit and tag a couple Jedi Critical posters to see what their take is on this. And i also welcome Jedi positive sorts, though OP does not.

@cptsd-skywalker @tragicfantasy-girl @wingletblackbird

I hate this meme so much. They act as is you leaving without any support system because all you have known in life is the Jedi Order is a good thing because the Jedi Order builds a statue of you. Look at how hard life became for Ahsoka when she left the Jedi Order. Do you think a statue is going to help her survive? The only reason why Count Dooku didn’t suffer financially is because he came from an aristocratic family. Others are not so lucky, some don’t even know about their family because the Jedi took them when they were a baby. If I was someone who had left the Jedi Order because I became disillusioned by it and now have struggle to survive, I would be insulted that the Jedi Order had built a statue of me instead of helping me find a way to survive outside of the order.