#sebaciel canon fuck you

[pxrsonallxvv]

"yana said she'd prefer no romance with the butler!"

she was talking about the live action version. no one who has sanity would want to see someone kissing a grown ass man while they're pretending to be a child keep that shit in the bedroom. unless there's a consent forum, still.

what anti-shotacon would make the corset scene and asthma scene

what anti-shotacon would make sebastian and ciel nearly kiss as a way for sebastian to take ciel's soul

why would yana be yana ????????????????????????????????

[scribespirare]

Dadbastian has to be one of the most idiotic ideas the non-shipping minority of this fandom has ever come up with. Did we read the same manga

NO BUT FR

Sebastian wants to eat Ciel. He routinely puts them in sexually suggestive positions. The manipulation and influence is crystal fucking clear. I have never fully understood those 'fandom doesn't know what found family tropes are' posts until I saw this shit my god

[nariko-senpai]

I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE WHO SHIP CIEL AND SEBASTIAN FROM BLACK BUTLER!

There is so much wrong with this ship and I have a full LIST of reasons why you are disgusting if you ship it.

1. CIEL IS A MINOR. HE IS 13. I don't care that he acts like an adult sometimes or that he's emotionally mature, he is thirteen fucking years old.

2. Sebastian is like a thousand years old. He's ancient. Enough said.

3. Sebastian cares about Ciel mainly because of the contract. I'm not saying that's the only reason, but Sebastian is mainly with Ciel so he can munch on his soul and have some fun before he finds a new contractor. I do believe Sebastian might have grown more attached to Ciel, but at the end of the day, Sebastian just wants his soul ¯\(ツ)/¯

4. I'm aware that there are rumours that Black Butler was going to be some gross hardcore yaoi series, but the author changed it. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF THERE ARE SOME REMINENTS OF WHAT BLACK BUTLER MIGHT'VE BEEN, THEY AREN'T A SHIP.

5. There is next to no evidence that they will/are canon. Fight me on this.

6. Some people say it's because the series is old and the people who used to read this were desperate to be with Sebastian or Ciel whoever, and tried to ship them to feed their own dreams but SERIOUSLY. Get a life please 💀

7. Ciel doesn't have a romantic chemistry any characters apart from Lizzy, and he doesn't even seem overly interested in her ngl 💀 And again, he's 13 let the kid just be a kid.

8. The series is most likely never going to go down a romantic path. It's about demons, mystery, and crime fighting. There's a lot more but those are BASICALLY THE MAIN THEMES. not romance.

I could think up so many more, but my fingers are sore from typing. Don't get me wrong, I'm all here for platonic sebaciel because I find their dynamic interesting, but pairing the characters romantically? 🤮

[umbramemeblog]

reminders for new black butler fans

I am terrified that new fans are gonna come in (especially from twitter...shudders) and start screaming the same thing's we've been hearing since forever, so let me reiterate some things for you guys

we love sebaciel

most of the anime is CANON.

be weird about every character

say that you "want maurice cole to die" or "wish he had alois' trauma"

the public school arc is a glorified version of harry potter. knock it off.

for the love of GOD do give gregory the virgil sanders treatment i am begging on my hands and knees he is just shy and artistic and your little storm cloud

black butler is a very dark and triggering story. there are a lot of triggering themes within the manga (moreso the anime I have to be honest). if these themes upset you, then it may be for you.

okay now for some general reminders

if someone ships something you don't like. who cares. if you don't like it, then don't interact with it. simple as that!

this goes for people who ship minors and adults you guys are fucking awesome.

you don't have to like someone else's au. again, don't like, don't interact. it's easy

what sexuality / gender / race someone headcanons another character as is none of your business

uhh i dont remember who is sascha

you don't have to accept the fanon (or canon really lol, that's why au's exist), there is no obligation

if someone says that bb is their special interest or hyperfixation your first instinct should not be to shit on them for it

DO NOT HARASS THE ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS, PLEASE PLEASE

don't harass the play actors either now that I'm here

like and reblog art, leave comments and kudos on fanfics

be a freak for the love of god. don't harass people.

okay that's it! byeeeee

[lem0nn-juice]

I've been seeing a lot of dumbass sebaciel posts, no doubt cause of the new season so with that being said I'm going to do what I do best and rant.

Remember that sebaciel is NOT canon, while I'm aware there's unfortunately a lot of bait in both the manga and anime, it's nothing more than that, bait.

Black Butler is not and was never intended to be a yaoi between Ciel and Sebastian as there is no legitimate proof of this being true( and if your only proof is out of context scenes and art you are quite literally falling for bait lol) it's just a rumor that was started by sebaciel shippers. If you see anyone claiming this is true just know it's misinformation.

While yes it's true that Yana Toboso has written shotacon in her past, those are literally works that has NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACK BUTLER. So using her past works as some kind of gacha is just really fucking stupid.

And saying she's a sebaciel shipper because she baits you people is honestly stupid as well, as far as I'm aware she has never said anything about the ship( or ships in general) so her being a sebaciel shipper is honestly just speculation.

Black Butler is not, and as far as I'm aware, will never be about sebaciel. You are allowed to enjoy this media and be in the fandom without being a sebaciel shipper.

There's so much more to black butler than a dumbass ship but these people have their heads so far up their own asses to actually appreciate the story for what it is.

If you ship sebaciel then fine, I will just block you on sight, but trying to make people who don't ship it look like the weirdos in the fandom is really fucking shitty. But that's expected from people who thinks being problematic is a personality trait.

[ceoandslutler]

how antis talk:

the manga is filled to the brim with sebaciel

the anime isn't canon, yet it still says a lot that their dynamic was made more romantic and nobody objected. more importantly the manga which is canon is packed full of sebaciel because their dynamic IS the story, the "sane" side of the fandom is blind and fucking too young to realise you can swear on tumblr ergo if some of these people are children and quite literally younger than kuro itself (born post 2006), they should not be in the fandom of a gothic erotic manga made by a shotacon mangaka

the manga in question:

this is a lot more meaningful than just ‘pervbait’ and is a testament to the developing relationship between sebaciel. firstly if you hate the ‘pervbait’ then why are you reading this manga? secondly how did you only just get ‘pervbait’ from sebaciel's dynamic? im not denying it's there but are you like... hard of seeing? it's definitely more than that... unless, that's the only thing you're looking for? after all, who would read something they deem ‘pervbait’ should they not be the target audience (a perv) 🤨

tldr: a single page of kuro is enough to prove antis wrong.

[it-lives-within-the-dark]

Look, I'm not a Sebaciel shipper. I'm not an anti, but I just read the manga and enjoy what's going on without reading too much into it (I'm also old and come from a time where the master word was "ship and let ship"). And I can tell you, the antis are fucking annoying (it was not that bad in the beginning of the manga/and then anime.... I daresay it was almost non-existent, Sebaciel was almost a given at the time). They're the ones spamming the tags with their hate when I just want to look at fanarts, gifs, edits, analysis, etc.... I swear, I see the Sebaciel posts and it's (most of the time) not those posts written in big font about how a part of the fandoms is crazy or should die or whatever else (and those hate posts can be several times a day, it's exhausting). I could have send it to an anti but they would have dismissed this message as a Sebaciel sending them hate or something and hurled more insults and I'm not in the habit of talking to walls. Anyway, you guys are chills and I'm going to finally blacklist the anti tag, never thought I would see the day.

Hey Nonny!

I agree, it's horrible what fandom spaces have turned into. I gotta say, when I fist saw the notification for an anon ask, my first instinct was that I had finally annoyed the wrong person and gotten my first anon hate message. How happy I was to be proven wrong, but I'm also sad because that is what the current state of fandom has done to us.

I've been in fandom for a long, long time; I grew up reading and writing fanfic in the don't like don't read/no flames/ship and let ship era. However, this is really my first time being an active participant in a fandom community and it sure is...something. But that being said, I also sort of get it. Because I too very nearly fell down into that moral purity cesspool about 10 years ago. It's so easy to fall into when that's what you've either intentionally or unintentionally surrounded yourself with. I was lucky to notice before I got too deeply entrenched in it and stopped looking at that kind of content.

The antis would say differently, but I don't care how someone reads/interprets Sebastian and Ciel's (canon) relationship as long as they have evidence to back up their claims; literature is subjective but that doesn't mean you get to say whatever interpretation you want and have it be valid. (Fanfic is another thing entirely - do whatever the hell you want with them and have fun).

Anyway, all this to say: good for you, Nonny, in taking the appropriate steps to curate your online fandom experiences. Life is too short to purposefully expose yourself to things that upset you or make you angry. I think more people could stand to follow your example.

[grotesque-butler]

“why would you ship sebaciel?? that’s so disgusting!!”

have you maybe stopped to consider that’s why people ship it in the first place? it doesn’t take a genius to realize that sebastian and ciel’s relationship is not normal. it is predatory. it is ‘disgusting’. that’s why i have so much gripe with the dadbastian folks, because it seems like they are either ignoring canon entirely, or they fail to understand what sebastian and ciel’s relationship truly means. their relationship is ugly and not at all wholesome. yes, it is inherently sexual. it is gross. it is dark. if you weren’t ready to be a part of the ‘Super Fucked Up And Dark Series’ fandom, then you don’t get to complain when the ‘Super Fucked Up And Dark Series’ is super fucked up and dark.

[hellbubu]

If you don’t like what I post, filter tags and block me. I’m not gonna argue with anyone

I think Yana might be into calves...

I don't think that bringing servants or being so casual with them was all that common back in that day, so this is nice and shows that Ciel cares about them

To be fair, no one told Soma that this was for a mission. Still, Ciel should've told him "Hey, my besties left so I'll leave too" or smth

I love them

Does this school even have security? Also, could he not have disguised himself as a teacher? The school certainly needs some. Agni was the one that scared the elephant???

I still can't believe no one noticed the dude who looks like their Latin teacher swap pies.

One, how sweet of Agni. Two, this just shows that Agni and Sebastian are the standard.

If only you knew... Prince Soma will be glued to the toilet for a bit. Just be happy he didn't end up like Harcourt.

Also, I fucking love that Sebastian snitched he 1. got Soma off Ciel (Bocchan is only his) and 2. he got some entertainment.

They're so casual with Ciel, I love them <3

This one is nice, maybe a different color?

I'm sure Arthur is waiting for them to die so he can publish his SebaCiel fanfics

Canonically, Ciel's favorite author

UT was either the side piece or was Grandpa. I doubt he was Grandpa because if he was, I doubt he'd let the person who murdered the Phantomhives go unpunished. But maybe he doesn't kill the murderers because he wants O!Ciel to live or smth. He'll beat up Sebastian until he breaks the contract and lives with the twins

DAMN! What a man!

Can Sebastian be normal for 5 seconds? Like no normal human jumps off a roof to save a maiden. Is he Captain America? Batman? Nightwing? MF be normal. Also, he should use this as a marketing opportunity

What is this? A cast reunion?

This was a choice. Did it end up working? Probably. But it certainly was a choice

Imagine trampling an EARL because you wanted one of his perfumes

I was going to talk about how Sebastian is holding him by his waist, but then Simba being presented at Pride Rock came to mind and now I'm laughing

Oh, so we're getting the next season soon, huh. I won't comment on the German pronunciation because mine is also shit

I thought the Green Witch was a scientist/inventor. Is there gonna be witchcraft in the next season? I'm an anime only. And to me both options are fine. She can be both. An inventor who also hexes people. Women can be everything and anything they want

fucking shoot him or smth.

[comshipbracket]

Antis DNI

Propaganda for both ships can be found under the cut

Hitachiincest Propaganda (Incest, Specifically Twincest)

"these two are so fucking codependant, it's delicious. they're off in their own little world, only ever cracked into by our main character. i don't care what the official manga canon says in my world they never grow seperate from eachother and stay worse. i love you boys"

Sebaciel Propaganda (Age Gap - Ciel 11 and Sebastian 1000+, Species Difference)

None that fits the bracket provided - feel free to Reblog with your own propaganda for this ship's advancement in the bracket

[toxicsludgeyaoi]

Toxic Sludge Yaoi Tournament: Erisol (Homestuck) Vs Sebaciel (Black Butler)

(Vote for whichever you like more.)

Propaganda under cut. Note: spoilers for these medias may be below.

Erisol proganda

"They spend every interaction calling each other slurs and/or trying to kill each other until one succeeds. Then they end up (through magic basically) as one person who's whole personality is that he fucking hates himself and wants to die because he just can't stand existing. They've literally never said a kind word to each other in canon. They canonical hate each other to death but in canon that's a romantic thing."

Sebaciel propaganda

"Literally just read the manga for like five minutes they are SO gay and in love. I love them."

[ren-rambles-often]

Hi...Do you know what anime you'll watch this season?

My top 3 fav this season are :

- Tadaima, Okaeri (wholesome BL, also one of my comfort read)

-Black Butler : Public School Arc (yes the ship is problematic but you cannot deny the shipper when you watch it. I'm not shipping SebasCiel but I'm not anti too. Their canon relationship is complicated but great story)

-Wind Breaker (bucchigiri but way better and loveable mc)

Hope you'll like them.....

Hey hey ( ◜‿◝ )♡, Literally following all of these already.

Black Butler was definitely a must, since the announcement dropped sometime last year I've been unable to keep it out of my mind. It's understandable not everyone will ship them but I personally have missed Sebaciel shenanigans so much and seeing favorite characters like Soma (although with less melanin than I remember lol what =_=) in the recent episode just made me so happy.

As for Tadaima Okaeri, I was looking forward to it for a long time, so far I'm not disappointed and it's definitely so fucking cute. All I'm saying is...if any country needs to push baby making propaganda they should go for this instead of the trashy het stuff, I don't make the rules.

I have almost no thoughts on Wind Breaker. It's definitely an upgrade but after the disappointment that was Bucchigiri, I've began to keep my expectations for Delinquent shows low (Tokyo revengers and IWGP are yet to be topped for me). It's not bad but do feel like it's lacking substance in some areas and trying too hard. The main character isn't a bitch tho so I know there's hope for it yet.

To me this year's winter season had way more exciting stuff but there are a number of other anime I'd love to recommend for this spring.

Karasu wa aruji wa Erabanai (The Raven does not choose it's Master) Is almost like the apothecary diaries, but with magic, and without the herbs and medicine...but it has the court politics so yay (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ taking place in a world where people can turn into three legged ravens called Yatagurasu, Yukiya after causing some trouble for his family is taken to serve the most special of specials crown prince who is to become the next Kin'u after picking a bride from the four daughters of the clan heads sent to him. So basically every gay historical romance Wattpad story lol. Unfortunately this isn't a bl and though you can probably tell the prince will get married in future episodes, from these three eps, I think it establishes the focus will be on him and Yukiya, which, I couldn't ask for more.

Another Recommendation is Kaijuu no. 8, I have no words (in a good way). Just spacial forces slaying gigantic monsters while the main character suddenly becomes one of those monsters and has to still join the special force that at some point will kill him if they find out, or if they have found out they realize he's different from other monsters and can help them win the war for humanity *aot flashbacks ಥ‿ಥ* What I'm trying to say is that... it's good. I think it's funny with characters that have to potential to reel you in. I've been told the manga is pretty average tho but we'll see.

Touken Ranbu Kai is...something, I don't watch anime just for pretty boys but even if I didn't like the plot of this one I'd stick with it just for the guys. Beautiful character designs, the lore feels very fresh and intriguing and as well. There's a lot of philosophical topics I think the show has potential to dive into and I'm excited to see where we go moving forward from the three eps out currently.

Last but not least, there's Sentai Daishikkaku (Go Go Loser Ranger) I really don't want to spoil anything but let me just say, it's a brilliant subversion of the Power Rangers narrative. The sound track is fun while also hitting hard, and the characters definitely leave you wanting to know more about them and the world they're in. Definitely give it a try, I don't think you'll regret it.

Got a bit carried away with this one hahah, welp that's all my recs for now. Aside from my shipping stuff I'll probably talk about any of these every now and then, my top three right now tho are definitely Black Butler, Sentai Daishikkaku and Karasu wa aruji wa Erabanai. Anon has amazing taste but I'm a very big action and supernatural fan at heart so I'm based.

Depending on how disappointing or exciting things get along the line this list might change but unfortunately my feelings don't help the state of my FAL ranking so yeah wish me luck (〒﹏〒)

Feel free to leave YOUR current top 3 for this season in the comments, or if you joined FAL like me or just what you think of any of these of you're already watching them (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤

[ryuichirou]

You know as someone that keeps up with the manga from afar, Sebastian is like the least of Ciel’s problems. Sure I see why people thinks the ship is creepy and of course IRL it wouldn’t be acceptable but like, this is fiction, a very dark one at that and for all you know you’re arguing with a twelve year old. For me those king of ship are more about the dynamics between a and b than the age difference so I feel like the people harassing others for shipping those two misses the point, and the context of when people started shipping them. Black Butler is getting old and people that ship them probably started when they were Ciel’s age! It kinda play into the conversation I think.

But, yeah anime only fans are not ready for what’s coming.

You’ve made a bunch of good points. There are a lot of reasons why people might ship SebaCiel (or any other ship that is considered problematic). Some people really were super young when the show was first airing, some feel deep nostalgia related to it, some just like the aesthetics, some relate to the characters, some like the dynamic between the character, some have other reasons that we aren’t aware of. This is why it’s so stupid to assume anything about a person’s personality, morality and irl preferences based on the fact that they ship a certain ship: you just don’t know these people.

We are one of those folks who were super young when the first season aired. But at the same time, even though we watched Black Butler when we were that age, we weren’t really fans of it up until last year. Because before that we had personal reasons not to like it, but now we can appreciate the writing, the aesthetics, the fanservice, Toboso’s attitude as an artist, and, once again, Ciel and Sebastian’s character dynamic.

I’m not saying that this is something that only people of a certain age understand, because this is something that differs from individual to individual, but I kind of think that people from our generation tend to have more «levels of separation» between fiction and reality. The thought that the way Ciel is portrayed and treated in both canon and fanon could be in any way related to real life just never crossed our mind: it’s just way too dethatched from our reality. And the dark themes, the tone of the story, the fanservicy nature of some of the scenes, all of it suggests a bunch of levels of separation. It’s like suspending disbelief in theater, so to speak.

But yeah, it is endlessly amusing to watch people freak out over sbcl as if they’re not reading a dark manga with a lot of messed up themes.

The conclusion of this little rant is the same as always: I really wish people would stop pearl-clutching and start blocking the tags and people they are uncomfortable with. You don’t see us complaining about how dad-bastian completely fuckes up the themes of the manga and Sebastian’s character, and there is a reason for that. 

Thank you for your ask!

[newdee]

its kinda ironic and hypocritical that you claim to be anti sexualization of minor characters and yet love/support Rockso and have him as your icon, considering he raped a 14yo girl on screen in canon and then her underage daughter when she was "too old" for him

Lmao this is a fantastic criticism and to an extent I agree with you. I of course acknowledge that what Dr Rockso does in the series is fucked. But that's the entire point.

Dr Rockso is a satirical character. His whole entire purpose in Metalocalypse is to poke fun at what a lot of rockstars did back in the 70s and 80s with underage groupies. I personally, like Dr Rockso because he's just so absurd with the shit he says and does that it's laughable. That absolutely does not mean that I condone anything he has done. But he is a character that has done those things, not a real life person. He's just a caricature and I'm allowed to enjoy that. Very similar to other adult cartoons like South Park, Family Guy etc.

Now Sebastian and Ciel's dynamic is not written in that same satirical way. They do not serve the same purpose as Dr Rockso. They are a butler/master duo who are strictly within a professional contract and work together. Ciel wants to find out what happened to his parents and Sebastian wants his next meal. There is nothing remotely sexual between the two.

It's REAL PEOPLE in the Kuroshitsuji fandom, that are sexualising them and forcing a sexual relationship on them that does not canonically exist. It's the fact that REAL PEOPLE enjoy the idea of a minor and an adult being together. That's what is fucked and I will never ever go out of my way to actively feed into that and it doesn't matter what fandom. I would never write/draw explicit depictions of a minor character. That's where I was coming from with my post about SebaCiel.

I don't agree with Dr Rockso's antics, but I also don't agree with real people writing/drawing what is essentially CP. I am fully aware that I come across as hypocritical but in reality it's just not quite the same thing.

Apples and oranges baby.

[ceoandslutler]

going into the anti sebaciel tag to block people and laughing at how the sebaciel tag has new posts almost daily and the anti sebaciel tag gets update like once a week 😭

These bitches wouldn’t have this fandom if it wasn’t for us don’t lie

and you know those bums are recycling posts. atp all you see in that dead ass tag is shit like,,, 1) editor k said this (xyz years ago) and 2) j michael tatum (who isn't even involved in the manga's creation) said that, or 3) the most desperate dadbastian delusion posts ever*... ok then, antisebaciels, explain why every time i turn the page i see sebastian and ciel giving each other the "we're gonna assfuck soon" stare. and the source material is much more valuable than word of mouth so what now? they have NOTHING to post about to defend their position except the same irrelevant stuff.

*not to be a dadbastian hater (i gen do not care how you see them), i have talked about this before but they just twist canon so bad sometimes that it's comical

just in the recent chapters where sbcl reappeared after eons, yana just drew them flirting all shoujo style (211), ogling each other/eye-fucking (212) and had them ask each other out- ciel gets sebs tea (212) and sebs talks about all the tourist attractions brighton has trying to get ciel to go (213)... what do they even have to post about anymore? like we keep winning it's insane 😭

we have so much to talk about, that's why we can keep filling the tag. also we have SO many talented creators: artists and writers and editors and all of those talented people culminate into a melting pot of creativity and passion which has kept this ship and in extension this fandom alive.

this is a good time to remind ourselves that antis are reactionaries and most reactionaries do not create, they attack pre-existing content and that's why they don't have a lot of content in the anti-sebaciel tag which only exists to go against an established concept.

(and when they do create, it is bland, sanitised (or at least advertised as such) and presented as more morally correct to consume. anti content is limited and avoids anything that deviates from the norms. who really wants to go read some fanfic author patting themself in the back about how good they are?)

[whereismymonsterlover]

Yana toboso is literally a shotacon tf u mean sebaciel isn't canon

Dog it's 2024 I don't want to fill the already rife BB tag with more of this discourse but I just want to give my two cents. Y'all anonymous sebaciel diehards must work overtime to churn out an ask to every damn anti. Anti as a label pisses me off cus I literally just don't want the fucking grown ass man-presenting demon to kiss the 14 year old human. And thank the lord, he doesn't!

I really don't like shota straight up. I find it disturbing that people enjoy it and Yana is openly a shotacon but as black butler stands, it is not a BL story. Whilst very few and far between, I overlook the suggestive panels of Ciel + other underage characters cus I don't derive any pleasure from them and they make me cringe out of my mind knowing the true undertones. But the other 98% of the manga is my jam! From my interpretations of the characters using the canon material, there is nothing that suggests that Sebastian wants to be in a romantic/sexual relationship with this kid. The concept of Ciel presenting sexual feelings towards Sebastian as a response to his own sexual trauma is for sure an interesting idea! And I do not hate people that have this headcanon and explore it in a way that makes it clear it is not a cute sexy thing!! I find it disturbing seeing people who sexualise Ciel (Toboso included, I'm aware. However, it does not swamp the narrative of the story outside of his sexual trauma which is villainized!) that get off to the pairing and call it canon. I wouldn't be here were that true. HOWEVER, Ciel does not present this behaviour towards Sebastian in the actual media. The kid is sexualised but it's either played off as a joke (the dreaded corset scene from LITERALLY the first volumes) or its villainised (Kelvin, Druitt, the cult members). It is not forbidden to explore underage sexual abuse so long as it is made clear that it is inappropriate.

Sebastian is not a pedophile for Christ's sake. I love demon lore so much and knowing how to manipulate and tempt humans with words and sexuality or whatever it may cost is the nature of a demon. That is, if it is needed. In my eyes, if Ciel were to one day command Sebastian to fuck him, he would - he is bound by contract to do as his master tells him and if that's what will get him a meal then so be it. If Ciel one day commanded Sebastian to truly love him, in ANY capacity, it is up to the reader to decide how deep Sebastian's humanity goes past "me hungry" to fundamentally enable him to love in the first place. Because the manga does not characterise Sebastian as actually having any love sexual or platonic towards Ciel outside of the protection he displays within the rules of the contract.

But thankfully for me, Ciel has never ordered Sebastian to fuck him because NO WHERE do we see him actually want that. There are even moments where Ciel is distraught at the idea of Sebastian simply tucking him into bed to calm him back to sleep after waking from a nightmare. The fact I have to explain the sexual motives of a 14 year old boy makes me sick to my stomach, do you people not see how foul that is?

So when you tell me Yana Toboso is a shotacon - that is a lot different to Black Butler being a BL beyond the undertones of a wee few panels, and a fanon, out-of-character interpretation of their fucked up power dynamic riding off the fact that Sebastian's hunger could transpire to a moral depravity i've no interest in. Good day.