#sburb OMEGA

[ringsidechoir]

DID NOT EXPECT EVERYONE TO LIKE MY HANGMAN POST. so here's the rest of the elite. hangman is a page of blood, cody's a maid of time, kenny's a knight of space, nick's a mage of mind, and matt is a witch of heart. bonus:

[ectoplasmer]

oh my god what if the captchalogue card is dave’s stuffed body.

[xxdreamersdesirexx]

Jasmine Harley--Mage of Rage, her four alien mobster husbands and their mean wife. ♣️❤️💖♦️♠️👑

[relaxxattack]

opinion on yiffy as a mage of mind? imo it works well since every facet of her suffering is because of some decision- her capture is from jade and roses decision to tell jane ab her, her school-based isolation was because of jade deciding to have a baby with a married woman, even her tail is from the decision to god-tier!

this is just like a very interesting way to go about classpecting someone… like yeah everyone’s existence is due to choices made before their birth. tavvy wouldnt have been born if not for jane choosing to intoxicate jake etc

but as for my actual thoughts of yiffy mage of mind… i don’t know! i DO like the theory that the omega kids will represent the four yet-unrepresented aspects, but i’m not sure who would really be what.

the thing about aspects for me is that they are fucking all-encompassing. they paradoxically inform absolutely nothing about a character’s personality and yet also everything. only sburb players can have them, so it’s really just game nonsense— yet sburb players can’t exist without the game, so doesn’t game nonsense really make up their dna?

dave for instance— i don’t think he could be anything but time. it simply isn’t possible, because his fucking dna, his core of self is built for sburb as a time player. people like to theorize that davesprite would have a separate classpect— but he wouldn’t. davesprite completed dave’s time quest. davesprite made the necessary sacrifices to save and preserve time, fought for it and suffered for it. he’s not a real player now, sure, but he’ll always be time because that’s who he is; it’s unchangeable.

simultaneously i do also think that classpects are not as rigid as people pretend. callie describes them like genders; i think this is meant in a different way than most people assume. not because classpects are nothing like gender, but because gender itself works much differently then people think. gender isn’t actually two boxes you can checkmark. gender is a scale, a gradient, a spectrum… or, it you’ll bear with me, a pyramid ;)

what i’m saying is that aspects are like gender in that it’s incredible personal and defining, yet at the same time the rules are not actually real, and two of the same classpect could act totally different. does this make sense?

the difference between aspect and gender is that aspects are a core thing that does not change because it’s quite literally a time paradox built around destiny.

okay, that was way too much rambling about how i think aspects work. all of this to say:

i don’t know what aspects the omega kids will be yet. but i think when we find out, it’ll feel natural, and probably, like it was obvious all along.

that being said i do like the common take that yiffy might be blood-bound. mostly because it’s red. but also because i think it’s really fucked up to give her the same aspect as karkat.

[tankgamingidk]

The Omega Kids joining a sburb session right after their parents just finished solving Every Single Problem on Earth C

[vampsoda]

discord being named discord makes it sound like a fake app that would be in homestuck (name that implies some level of antagonistic conversations like pesterchum)

and then "discord server drama"... discord literally being a place with a lot of.. discord

anyways i think it wld be funny if in homestuck 2 the omega kids used discord (or a parody of it that allows for colored text) to communicate bc it kind of aligns w like- back when homestuck was made kids on the internet used aim but now discord is probably the most popular method of messaging kids use

like if they really do end up playing a game of sburb with the players from dirk and rose's new planet it wld be funny if they all started using discord to communicate and it also lead to a lot of literal "discord" aka arguments

[shoegazingmonad]

Chekhov's gun (all elements of a story are ones that will come into play eventually) is a concept that applies to literally almost everything in Homestuck.

And right at the beginning of HS2 (a point of the story which usually introduces things relevant to the future) Dirk goes on a small tangent about how he dressed up as a purpleblood for a 'WORLDWIDE INTERSPECIES ROLEPLAYING SESSION', the first and last one on Earth C. This wording is meant to bring to mind the Omega kids (who are role-players, as they take on previous characters roles) about to play a Sburb session on Deltritus with Rose and Dirk's new species (hence interspecies).

Those two statements are said together on the same page, so if the face paint is coming back into use at some point it'll be in regards to the omega kids, and during Sburb.

In this panel, Tavvy is positioned adjacent to the mirror and facepaint, but looking away from it. I bring this up because when combined with the whole Gamzee thing he's got going on and the fact that Dirk dressed as a purpleblood specifically it leads me to believe he's gonna be the one to put it on. apply the juggalo facepaint right now. please

[lildogie]

Title: Two Steps Away from the County Line, Chapter 1 Words: 5,216 Rating: Mature (for now) Category: M/M Fandom: Homestuck Pairing: Alpha Dave / Beta Bro Characters: Alpha Dave, Beta Bro, Dave Strider, Dirk Strider Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - No Sburb Session, Alpha/Beta/Omega Dynamics, Systemic Oppression, Politics, Legislation, Police, Family Drama, Good Guardian Bro Strider, Further Tags to Be Added, Additional Warnings In Author's Note, Slow Burn Summary: Ambrose Walker—né Strider—hasn't been home or seen his older brother D in 23 years. He's had his hands full raising younger brother Dave while staying under the Strider family's radar. But when the youngest brother he's never met contacts him, it may be time to recalculate the risks of being found.

[davekat-sucks]

Kind of feel bad for the omega kids, cause god they suffer the most from 2's bad or off plot beats. Like everyone knows they're supposed to be the true players of Dirk's session, and yet we barely have a connection to any of them. So far they just exist to elevate the old characters (who don't need it due to being from fucking Homestuck), instead of being truly symbiotic and lifting each other up.

Like seriously, Vriska gassing up Vrissy during the hell vn is the most unserious thing possible, given how she only knew her for a day, constantly shat talk her and her timeline, and that the only plot that Vrissy has atm is being a mirror for Vriska so that the 8itch can grow. This is also why Harry is the best, between John not narratively smothering him, and also the fact that he got an update to himself and the other omegas.

They aren't even close of friends like we see with Beta and Alpha Kids. Part of me thinks that Vrissy, Tavros, and Yiffany are children with a theme of messed up love, was the original common connection they have within the Candy Timeline and the basis of them joining together at all. Not just being successors to the previous players. Vrissy named after Kanaya's crush. Tavros being spawned with Jake during a poly relationship with Gamzee. And Yiffany being born of a secret affair. Only Harry seems to be the outlier since he was born out of genuine love. Probably a parallel to how John was the error when he had changed his chumhandle for the Sburb coding. But even then, it is questionable due to the divorce and John talking Terezi during it all. People assume that Vriska going through the VN hell is going to help validate the Candy Timeline. But what is there to approve of about Candy Timeline? Where Jane raped Jake, Dave leaving his wife, Rose cheating on Kanaya.... what is there to say the Candy Timeline is okay to continue on and not erase?!

[autisticsupervillain]

FTF Shorts: Not Even Close!

A vs show where the longer analysis and set up is skipped in order to briefly explain why a certain fight is nowhere near close.

This Week's Fighters....

Aradia Megido vs Asriel Dreemurr!

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Conditions:

Post canon Homestuck is completely ignored.

I was originally planning to only cover these characters at their peaks, but I figured I would have a lot more to talk about going over each of their forms in turn. That way this fight could represent in macrocosm why most Undertale vs Homestuck matchups are massive curbstomps in favor of one or the other, as across their various forms, these two hit a lot of similar points on the scaling chain for both franchises.

Ghost Aradia vs Flowey

Neither of these two have much in the way of direct onscreen feats and the number of times they do anything really combat applicable can be counted on one hand, so I'll have to rely on scaling.

Flowey should have no problem hurting a ghost, as all magic attacks are capable of directly harming and destroying souls. Neither should he have any problem using DETERMINATION to save scum to his heart's content, as Aradia by this point hasn't begun manifesting her connection to her Aspect in any really tangible way.

Those are the only positives I can give Flowey as by all other counts he is fucked.

Let's be generous by using low end Homestuck scaling against high end Undertale scaling. Flowey is capable of restraining Toriel when he catches her off guard and able to bully Frisk near the end of pacifist route. A version of Frisk who, by necessity, would've had to survive encounters with the strongest monsters in the Underground.

These would include monsters like Snowdrake, who can create winter storms when they fight you, and characters like Mettaton, who attacks with bolts of electricity. Electricity, for those of you unaware, can travel through material as fast as 99% light speed, depending on the circumstances. Meanwhile, to create a snowstorm of applicable magnitude, one would require energy equivalent to 15 Megatons of TNT.

As impressive as that is, Aradia can still match it. She should still be comparable to even the weakest of SBURB Players (I highly doubt Ghost Aradia was ever weaker than, say, Tavros) and even the weakest of those can still fight evenly alongside their Sprites. Kernelsprites, when completely unprototyped and in their most basic possible form, are capable of some truly ridiculous feats. Such as tanking the meteor trip that cratered Jade's Island, a feat that gets into similar Megaton ranges as the snowstorm.

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Or being able to fly to Prospit and Derse in seconds from LOWAS. A feat that gets up to quintillions of times light speed.

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So, even at our most generous, Aradia has a massive advantage in speed. So much so that Flowey wouldn't even be able to react to her attacks. If we're not being generous, then there are plenty of higher feats for Homestuck low tiers I can use to scale Aradia, such as regular Psionic batteries being able to push spaceships at near light speed or several Damaras being able to smash two planets together.

As powerful as DETERMINATION is, it isn't all that useful here because it doesn't help him kill Aradia at all. So while Flowey can retry as much as he pleases, his patience has limits and he'll give up eventually. He straight up tells you he could never get past Asgore before you came along and eventually gave up trying on his own. If Aradia keeps telekinetically ripping him from the Earth, he'll fold eventually.

Aradiabot vs Omega Flowey

Omega Flowey and Aradiabot both represent an utterly massive powerboost for both characters. In fact, I'd go so far as to say this is probably the fight at its most debatable, with Flowey in this stage being one of the High-Tiers of Undertale, where Aradiabot represents a Mid-Tier for Homestuck.

Omega Flowey is blatantly a universe buster, no matter how you split it. After singlehandedly erasing all of human and monsterkind, he completely destroys Frisk's Save File, the timeline that they had been resetting every time they died. He's even shown to manipulate seven other Saves all throughout the fight. His soul destroying attacks now manifest in a barrage of eldritch bullet hell, even dropping nukes on his enemies.

Aradiabot's scaling is a bit more complicated. Aradiabot, meanwhile, is depicted as one of the strongest members of the Beta Troll team. She's capable of effortlessly slapping around Equius like a ragdoll, is strong enough to brutally beat Vriska to death, and even after Vriska returns to life as a God-Tier, Aradiabot points out she could casually snap Vriska's neck, which Vriska doesn't even try and argue against.

Keep in mind, Aradiabot by this point had already seen Vriska use her Ancestral Awakening form in the fight with the Black King, the same form Vriska would then use to challenge Jack Noir. Despite Vriska thinking the form could match Jack and despite her own massive ego, Vriska doesn't even bring up that she could use it to beat Aradiabot, instead immediately conceding the point that Aradiabot could kill her whenever.

This makes sense. While Vriska was the main damage dealer during the Black King fight, this is because Aradiabot was primarily working support, using her abilities to make sure they aren't all immediately wiped out by the Vast Glub. This interpretation is further backed up by the fact that Gamzee had to open out with mind control abilities to comfortably subdue Equius, whereas Aradiabot could slap him around effortlessly. Gamzee did more damage to the Black King in a single attack than Vriska did all fight.

Why does all that matter? Bec Noir can destroy an entire universe and a universe in Homestuck contains infinite alternate timelines. Ancestral Awakening Vriska can fight Bec Noir. So, to simplify all that: Bec Noir >/= Ancestral Awakening Vriska =/< Aradiabot.

I'm not arguing by any means that Aradiabot is a one for one equal to Jack. She blatantly canonically isn't. But she does have enough going on to be around that same ballpark. 1/4 infinity is still infinity.

As such, the strength gap here is infinite, thus leading to much the same problem Flowey had before. It doesn't matter how many times you Reset if you genuinely can't win. Not helped by the fact that Aradia has begun using her Time abilities by this stage and Time players have been shown to inherently sense alterations to Time. (Dave immediately sensing John wasn't supposed to be there when he was Retconning shit and Aradiabot inherently knowing what actions are required to not doom the timeline) As such, Aradiabot would likely understand what Flowey is doing. While having attacks that directly attack the soul is useful, Aradiabot is just a soul in a tin can after all, Flowey would have to use that against the countless temporal duplicates Aradiabot will be constantly creating.

But, Flowey's reset abilities have improved as well. He could just stalemate by resetting anytime Aradiabot does anything, right? Well, no.

Flowey has to actively keep resetting her to keep her incapacitated. He's on a ticking clock until the Human Souls rebel against him and Aradia's ability to commune with the dead would only speed up that process. Exactly like what happened in the original fight.

God-Tier Aradia vs God of Hyperdeath Asriel

And the big one. Asriel is as high up the Undertale food chain as you can get without invoking the Player themselves. To the point where his very existence was ending the entire world. Including all of the FUN Values, which are suggested by Goner Kid to be alternate timelines.

Sadly, this still doesn't put him in spitting distance of Aradia. Infinite timelines are infinite and Aradia by this point is much stronger than Aradiabot. Not only is she capable of time stopping Bec Noir in place, but the author's commentary from Hussie indicates she could do so physically too if she wanted.

Beyond that, this is the same dynamic as with Omega Flowey. Asriel cannot actually hurt Aradia due to the strength gap and even if he could, time clones and God-Tier Immortality go "nuh uh". Meanwhile, Asriel is still weak to the souls within him rebelling against him and Aradia is still perfectly capable of exploiting that. Especially as he's just now coming to grips with having emotions again after so many years without as a result of those souls.

In other words, the massive stat gap and Aradia's own hax keep Asriel from ever killing her while Asriel's canon weaknesses fit perfectly into Aradia's skillset, allowing her to recreate the scenarios where he was canonically defeated. Whether that's giving Flowey a fight he can't win or turning the Souls against him.

Asriel's DETERMINATION and ability to directly attack the soul might break the stat gap against other characters, and I could easily see him beating many of Homestuck's other stronger characters who don't have counters to what he's bringing to the table. But Aradia herself has everything she needs.

This Throwdown's Winner Is...

Aradia Megido!

[insufferable-homestuck]

Wat do you headcanon the Omega kids classpects to be?

uuh i haven't thought about this before um. Well i doubt the kids would even have classpects since there's no sburb in existence for them to play, so they wouldn't have a reason to be cosmically attached to a God tittle, but whatever

Harry anderson egbert; Seer of Void

Vrissy maryam lalonde; Prince of Light

Tavros crocker; Bard of Hope

Yiffany longstocking lalonde harley; Maid of Space

my poor, quickly made reasoning ↓

harry makes costumes, puts together looks, takes part in plays, in essence he Creates. I would've gone for Mage of void but theater is a group effort so i assume he'd be a team player. he sees the potential in the nothing etc etc,

vrissy doesn't seem to like vriska an awful lot, so while i wanna tie her down to the light aspect in accordance with Aranea and Vriskas godtiers, i doubt she'd like this fate. So a prince she is, she wouldn't care for the luck for the lore for the truth, she just wants to do her own thing and maybe destroy someone/something

im making tavros a bard because i think if they'd actually give them classpects he would be a bard in awful irony, being made fun of by the universe etc, and he's not really hopeful to me so

yiffy has been in hiding all her life, she's had no place to fit in no house that feels like a home, she lacks space. But, i do think her story will have a happy ending, so in maid fashion she'll find her space. Space players are also lonely COUGH

[xxdreamersdesirexx]

"She said no pickles!"

Rosalyn Lalonde about to open a can of prospitian judo whoopass on Jasmine's behalf XD

[justplainhappy-jph]

Someone made a post about the omega gang alchemising Sburb clothes and I made this in response, then the original post got taken down before I could post it. This seems like a good excuse to put it up here. Was reading a lot of Jojo when I made this.

[Theme: Fashion] @413countdown

[image ID: Tavros Crocker cycles through a variety of rage clown and butler themed outfits]

[tankgamingidk]

Homestuck: Beyond Canon - 100 player theory

So this is a crack theory I’ve thought of for a little bit (wanted to try and word it better but flash is tomorrow so I wanted to get it in writing).

So, according to Hussie, the troll universe was made via a 48 squiddles session. Under loop theory, Rose’s species are going to be squiddles/horroterrors whose session make ms the troll universe. Plus, evidence points to 6 total players (GavageCunctation is tied to the purple flower in the panel with the big house, referred to as a GorgeousColor by Haven, and there are 6 flowers). So the session is likely gonna be 3 squiddles, 3 satyrs, and 4 humans.

Now obviously there can’t be 48 squiddles in the session, that’d be ridiculous. Even if only 3 are truly important, that’s still 45 more than the number of Satyrs. The only way that would make any sense is if there were also 48 Satyrs.

And wait, with 4 human players, that results in a grand total of 100 total players. The perfect number for a battle royal. Now, we know that there’s going to be some kind of war between the species. What if this war were to happen inside of sburb? If this were the case, it’d make sense for a large number of players to enter the session at once. It would also allow for the 48 squiddles specifically to create the universe, despite sharing the session with another species.

One last detail. If we also add the number of human players from the alpha/beta sessions to the number of players in the session, we get…

108. Homestuck’s new arc number.

That’s it that’s the theory. There’s gonna be 48 squiddles, 48 satyrs, and 4 omega kids, all participating in a big war inside of sburb.

[trinitynavy]

Well I uh... wasn't expecting that route to be taken. Could go either way on the scales, but I'm not really expecting this to amount to much. In fact, I'd kinda be pissed if this was the route taken for this drama arc. I mean it could either be Just due to 10-15 years worth of karma, or Heroic for keeping the shield up and holding down the fort. Either way, it would rob us of a truly satisfying end to this character arc.

That is if the intent is to slowly take the focus away from the parents to the Omega Kids (when did this term get coin'd?) for future acts. Thus not making this a story about kicking the respective asses of Jane, Ult. Dirk, and possibly Al, but more about the Omega Kids and whatever species Ult. Dirk is cooking having their own Sburb sessions, and making a universe and world that is at least better than whatever the fuck Earth C was.

At least that's what it's looking like rn. If that's the case, then idk if June is gonna become a thing. Characters are dropping like flies, and by the rules of Sburb, all guardians of the players have to die off (WITH ONE EXCEPTION). This is kind of a mixed bag for me, not gonna lie. Guess we'll see whatever in January.

Been reading Umineko When They Cry thus far, so that brainrot may carry me til then. Maybe I'll try Vast Error. Actually should I read Vast Error? Your thoughts are appreciated.

[anachronistic-falsehood]

I'm having a "think about the omega kids" kind of day so I figured I'd ask: What are your thoughts on the kids in candy timeline?

GOD the answer 2 this is late yet again.... been having so many thoughts about everything all the time i simply cannot keep up BUT I RLY WANTED TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE I LOVE THE CANDY TIMELINE KIDS!! I think they're overall really interesting characters to add to the story, and while the epilogues do have their Problems, I do love the omega kids and i hope the new hs:bc writers take them in an interesting way. i think they were a great addition to the candy timeline. they make it feel more like homestuck, you know?

because like. ok. lemme explain real quick. Homestuck was a story about growing up. it started with these kids who were just entering teenagehood and had no idea what they were doing. they struggled, they learned, and they grew!!! Homestuck 2 and the epililogues would have been worse if it didn't have any kids in it. The epilogues kind of split Homestuck's theme of growing up into two: Meat has the childish villain, the one who's too stubborn to see past his own faults, (and Ult!Dirk is especially interesting to me because he was a protagonist of hs canon and is now an antagonist, and in his mind he never left Sburb and has barely grown up at all let's be real but ANYWAY), and the stories of kids who are growing up and still have so much left to learn. AGH i could talk about the themes of growing up in homestuck for ages but ANYWAY

BASICALLY: i really like the omega kids overall, they all have such fun personalities and dynamics with each other, and i think if hs:bc in the candy timeline veers its focus a little more towards the kids, it could make it feel more like homestuck, you know? i want a bunch of teens struggling through interpersonal issues and drama and trying to survive while the world ends please!!!