#sayeste hatun

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This brown and green kaftan was first worn by Mahidevran Sultan in the twenty-third episode of the second season of Magnificent Century. It was worn again by Huricihan Sultan in the eighth episode of the fourth season.

The first season of Magnificent Century: Kösem used the kaftan twice. It was first worn by Şayeste Hatun in the first episode and then by an unnamed harem member in the twelth episode.

[redrosecut]

I'm confused but I hope you can help me out. Are Cihan Hatun (Mehmed's concubine) and Sayeste Hatun (sidekick of Mahfiruz Hatun in the first few episodes of MCK) played by the same actress or did I get the name of one of the two actresses wrong?

According to Turkish wikipedia, Cihan is played by Patrycja Widłak but according to MedyaRadar (from what I can guess from context), she is also playing Sayeste but this role isn't credited on her imdb page. I'm not necessary faceblind but I'm also not good at saying whether two people look very much alike or are indeed the same person. So Magnificent Century crowd, can you help me out of my misery?

[ottomanladies]

𝙤𝙩𝙩𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙨: Ahmed II

Alderson writes that Ahmed II had two consorts, Şayeste and Rabia Sultan. Since Ahmed II was the sultan for such a short time like 4 years, there is not much information on his consorts and children. — M. Çağatay Uluçay, Padişahların Kadınları ve Kızları

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A little thing than always despite me in mc:kosem is the treatment given to Mahfiruze hatun (the first one) and Sayeste. I mean...THEY ARE WONDERFUL. But they were totally ruined ! WHY ? it's a absolute criminal act i think, because they were nuanced with flaws and qualities on my opinion (Mahfiruze is emotive and try to kill her weak side with her arrogance, she has loved ones with and has a talent for manipulation when Sayeste is loyal, grateful but dellusioned ans angry) What do you think about the two girls ? What will you like to see with her ?

Oh yeah, early Mahfiruz was filled with potential from the start. I also love the subtly presented vulnerability of her character: that was perhaps her best scene that gave her both flavor and uniqueness. Developing a devious nature and sneakiness to mask a more insecure side of yourself isn't the most outstanding concept ever, but it's something that we didn't really get to see all that often in the franchise, especially not as masterfully established in a single scene, no less. And Anastasia herself being the one that discovered that vulnerability of hers is a rare gem that should be cherished and lets me acknowledge this simple conversation as one of the softest lines of action and dialogue in MCK.

What baffles me the most is not so much that the writers wimped out on her at some point, since that was to be expected both due to other cases in the past and the whatever reason behind the scenes (did the actress want to leave the show? I heard that there was something like this, but I'm not sure...), but how quickly they gave up on her future set up and development, most possibly even before the supposed stuff behind the scenes happened. She had so much promise with her one scene wonder, then we had a parallel repetition of the beating plot in MC E03 (that somehow ended up being even more filler than that from a narrative standpoint, how do they do it?) and... that was it. 2-3 episodes before her "departure" it was already done. There was some hope they would continue on her character concept when we realized that TIMS wouldn't give up on this relatively major role in the story, even if with a different actress. But Dilara Aksuek's Mahfiruze was an entirely different character that didn't live up to Mahfiruz's potential and instead turned her into a one-dimensional S01 Mahidevran archetype that has only a single aspect of that archetype. And that was a problem and relatively, a downgrade, because it seemed like Mahfiruz's dynamic with Anastasia, despite of some similarities, wouldn't be just a rehash of the typical rivalry dynamic between the two main concubines of the Sultan. The chance of seeing something different went away completely.

And you know, Dilara's Mahfiruze would've been a much better character if the writers picked up where the old Mahfiruz left off without killing her off, just replacing her actress (similarly to Vahide Perçin's Hürrem, but applied to a more minor character, of course), but also kept Mahfiruze's relationship with Ahmet and fleshed out more her relationship with Osman, fully utilizing her thematic role in setting the conflict between him and Kösem, which would have freely happened with both fleshing her character out and letting her meet her doom during the time-skip in E21, if you want that so badly, writers - these two aren't mutually exclusive concepts! But we got two safe, effortless, sudden and abrupt endings of two characters that we ended up not caring as much about in the long run due to sloppy writing.

While the waste of Mahfiruz's foundation is far from the worst offence of the show, it's certainly the most bizarre one. Unlike MCK Turhan, where they more or less had to rush things, they didn't have that much of an excuse to turn Mahfiruz's concept and role into... this. I, for one, generally cut the MCK writers more slack because of the ratings, but I don't feel this can be done here, neither because it is a choice they had to make because of ratings in terms of both characters, nor because I think the ratings would've gone down, if they fleshed Dilara's Mahfiruze more, quite the opposite really. Mahfiruz and Mahfiruze. didn't. deserve. the. MC. S04. Rumeysa. treatment. I fully believe this is one thing they could've avoided, yet didn't.

I'm not such a big fan of Şayeste, to be honest. I never liked her or her writing from the start, but that doesn't mean that she didn't deserve better. Her characterization was bonkers the instant she was introduced and her going back and forth from side to side was neither well written, nor interesting, unlike the duality of some other characters. They set her as a mean girl quickly manipulated by Mahfiruz from the start with only some more positive traits and I don't believe that "Heel Face turn" felt as earned as intended. Though, yeah, the worse thing here is that, just like Mahfiruz, the writers wimped out on her completely after that turn and that was also unfortunate. I would've loved to see these gratitude and loyalty you're talking about more in the story, even though their use was a step better than everything with Mahfiruz and Mahfiruze, and also, a bigger, closer role to Kösem, even though Meleki apparently took that spot for her.

Their dynamic was... okay? It seemed to only be a plot device at the end of the day and it was very vague and one-dimensional, too? I definetly wouldn't object if we saw more of it, but my current impressions just aren't as strong. It only seemed to have fulfilled a single purpose and left. If the writers fleshed both of these characters more, it would've been great though, no doubt.

[dyingroses]

More dresses galore!

[malitasoledad]

Muhteşem Yüzyıl: Kösem outfits in 4 Bolum part. II

[magnificentlyreused]

This blue and brown kaftan is first worn by Nurbanu Sultan in the final episode of Magnificent Century.

The kaftan appears again in the second episode of the first season of Magnificent Century: Kösem on Şayeste Hatun.

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This pink and black kaftan was first worn by Hatice Sultan in the first season of Magnificent Century.

Magnificent Century: Kösem reused it in its first season. First in the first episode on Şayeste Hatun and then in the seventh episode on an unnamed harem member.

[magnificentlyreused]

This purple, pink and golden sheer kaftan was first worn by Hürrem Sultan in the fourth season of Magnificent Century.

The kaftan is worn again by Şayeste Hatun in the fourth episode of the first season of Magnificent Century: Kösem. It can also be seen on Mahfiruze Hatun later the same season. In the second season, it is first worn in the third episode by an unnamed harem member before it is seen on Sanavber Hatun.

[ottomanladies]

OTTOMANLADIES’ 2ND BIRTHDAY CELEBRATIONS

Ahmed II of the Ottoman Empire + the women in his life – requested by anon

[ottomanladies]

Tell us please more Suleiman II and Ahmed II's consorts and children ? ( I heard that Suleiman was sterile but idk if that is true or not)

Süleyman II's consorts:

Hatice Kadın: according to Uluçay, Suleyman II's Senior Consort.

Behzad Kadın: she was given a diamond brooch which had belonged to Hatice Muazzez

Süğlün Kadın: she was given a pair of diamond earrings, a pair of pearl earrings and an 83-pearl pendant, which had belonged to Hatice Muazzez.

Şehsuvar Kadın: she was given an ablution bowl studded with pearls which had belonged to Hatice Muazzez

Zeyneb Kadın: consort of Süleyman II

İvaz Kadın: consort of Süleyman II

Süleyman II had no children. It is not known whether he was sterile or not, Davis says that he was not interested in sexual relations though he kept consorts. Anyways, he only reign for 4 years and spent the last 2 of which bedridden because his body had swollen up.

Ahmed II's Consorts:

Haseki Rabia Sultan: She was the most beloved concubine of Ahmed II and the last Haseki Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Her nationality, family, and date of birth are unknown. She was the mother of twins Ibrahim and Selim (born on 7 October 1692) and of Asiye Sultan (born on 23 October 1694). Twins were very rare in the dynasty and Rabia’s were possibly the first to be born to a sultan. The following day, Ahmed II ordered four days and four nights of celebrations throughout Istanbul. Unfortunately Selim died on 25 May 1693. In 1695, after Ahmed II’s death, she was sent to the Old Palace with her daughter Asiye (who died in the same year). When Rabia died in 1712, she was buried next to Ahmed II and her children in Süleyman I’s mausoleum.

Şayeste Hatun/Hanım: according to Sicill-i Osmani, she was an ikbal, but Sakaoğlu corrected that with gözde. She died in 1710 and she could have been the mother of Ahmed II’s other daughters.

No other concubines are known.

Children:

Şehzade Ibrahim: (7.10.1692 - 4.5.1714) son of Haseki Rabia Sultan, he was a twin.

Şehzade Selim: (7.10.1692 - 25.5.1693) son of Haseki Rabia Sultan and twin brother of Şehzade Ibrahim

Asiye Sultan: (23.10.1694 - 9.12.1695) daughter of Haseki Rabia Sultan, she was 4 months old when her father died. She went to the Old Palace with her mother, where she died a year later. She was buried next to her father.

Atike Sultan: it is disputed whether she really existed or if Asiye and Atike Sultan are the same person. She was born on 24 October 1694 (prompting historians to think that maybe there had been a mistake in reporting Asiye Sultan’s birth). It is not known when she died.

Hatice Sultan: this princess is mentioned in Sicill-i Osmani and in The Structure of the Ottoman Dynasty but not in contemporary sources.

[ottomanladies]

Hi, i was just asking can you list consorts that were of noble birth.

Mal Hatun (consort of Osman I): probably the daughter of the ruler of the umeri principality

Asporça Hatun (consort of Orhan): probably the daughter of a byzantine lord

Theodora Kantakuzenos (consort of Orhan): byzantine princess

Tamara Hatun (Murad I): Bulgarian princess

Olivera Despina Hatun (Bayezid I): Serbian princess

Emine Hatun (Mehmed I): Dulkadir princess 

Mara Hatun (Murad II): Serbian princess

Sitti Mukrime Hatun (Mehmed II): Dulkadir princess

Servetseza Başkadınefendi (Abdülmecid I): princess of the Temruko line

Hoşyar Kadınefendi (Abdülmecid I): daughter of Georgian nobleman Zurab Bey Tuskia

Verdicenan Kadınefendi (Abdülmecid I): princess of the Açba family

Şayan Kadınefendi (Abdülmecid I): her mother was a member of the Kucba family

Gülistu Kadınefendi (Abdülmecid I): princess of the Çaçba family

Zerrinmelek Hanım(Abdülmecid I): princess of the Klıç dynasty

Nesrin Hanım(Abdülmecid I): daughter of Georgian nobleman Manuçar Bey Asemiani

Navek-i Visal Hanım (Abdülmecid I): princess of the Biberd family

Neveser Hanım(Abdülmecid I): daughter of Abazin nobleman Mısost Bey Eşba

Nalan-ı Dil Hanım(Abdülmecid I): daughter of Prince Çıpakue Natıkhu Bey

Şayeste Hanım(Abdülmecid I): princess of the Inalipa family

Ayşe Serfiraz Hanım(Abdülmecid I): princess of the Liah (or Lakh) family

Safderun Hanım (Abdülmecid I): daughter of a Circassian princess

Dürr-i Nev Kadınefendi (Abdülaziz): daughter of Prince Mahmud Bey Dziapş-lpa

Edadil Kadınefendi (Abdülaziz): daughter of Abkhaz Prince Aredba Tandal Bey

Neşerek Kadınefendi (Abdülaziz): daughter of Prince İsmail Bey Zevş-Barakay

Gevheri Kadınefendi (Abdülaziz): daughter of Abkhazian nbleman Salih Bey

Reftar-ı dil Kadınefendi (Murad V): daughter of the noble Circassian family Hatko

Şayan Kadınefendi (Murad V): daughter of Prince Batir Bey Zan

Filizten Hanım (Murad V): daughter of Abazin prince Şahin Bey Çaabalurhva

Nazikeda Kadınefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Abazin prince Arzakan Bey Tsanba

Safinaz Kadınefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of a Circassian princess

Bedrifelek Kadınefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Prince Karzeg Mehmed Bey

Bidar Kadınefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Prince Ibrahim Talustan Bey

Mezide Mestan Kadınefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of nobleman Kaymat Bey Mikanba

Sazkar Başhanımefendi (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Abazin nobleman Maan Bata Bey 

Peyveste Hanım (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Abazin prince Eymhaa Osman Bey (Emuhvari)

Fatma Pesend Hanım (Abdülhamid II): daughter of Abazin prince Sami Bey Açba and a Tatar princess, member of the Giray dynasty

Nazperver Kadınefendi (Mehmed V): princess of the Abazin Çikotua dynasty

Emine Nazikeda Kadınefendi (Mehmed VI): daughter of Abkhazian Prince Hasan Ali Marşania

I’m not sure it’s all of them, I might have missed a couple-- if I did, I’ll add them later

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Hey I love your blog!! I wanted to ask if there were any sultanas who maybe adopted children to raise them or sultanas who had good relationships with the Sultan’s children from other concubines? I recall you mentioning Nurbanu had adopted a boy and that Turhan protected Ibrahim’s other sons with her life for as long as she lived

Sure! There’s plenty of them, especially after the practice of fratricide died out:

Kösem had a good relationship with Osman II, and would take him on carriage rides with her sons

Rahime Perestu raised Abdülhamid II and his half-sister Cemile when their mothers died. Abdülhamid II also had a warm relationship with Pertevniyal Valide Sultan; on the contrary, he couldn’t stand Şevkefza Valide Sultan

Abdülaziz was in such good relationship with Tiryâl Hanım, one of his father’s consorts, that during his reign she was referred to as “the second valide sultan”

Servetseza Kadın loved Murad V like a son, and was also step-mother of Mehmed V, Refia and Fatma Sultan

Neveser Hanım raised Şehzade Mehmed Burhaneddin, son of Abdülmecid I and Nükhetseza Hanım

Şayeste Hanım raised Mehmed VI when his mother died

Mehmed II called Mara Brankovic “mother”, suggesting a close relationship between the two

the Venetian ambassador once saw Handan with little Mustafa I in the gardens of Topkapi Palace... maybe she ensured that he was well looked after