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sunnyschristiancottage · 3 months ago
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My argument against abortion:
1. A fetus is alive according to the four criteria of life which is as follows:
Energy acquisition:
All living things need to be able to take in energy from their environment, whether through photosynthesis (plants) or consuming other organisms (animals).
Liquid water:
Water is essential for most biological processes and acts as a solvent for many important molecules in living organisms.
Stable environment:
Organisms need a relatively stable environment to maintain their internal conditions and function properly.
Chemical elements:
Life as we know it requires specific elements like carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen to build complex organic molecules.
A fetus fits into all 4 criteria. Thusly it is alive.
2. Now, many people have argued, "Well, my liver technically fits within the four criteria of life, and it isn't a lifeform. Thusly a fetus is no different from an organ." This statement is only half correct. Yes, a liver does fit within the four criteria of life and is considered a part of life, but it is very different from a fetus. First, if you were to remove an organ from a person, that person would lose some quality of life or just die depending on the organ. If you took a fetus from a mother, the mother would be fine, but the fetus would die. But what really defines a fetus as its own living creature is its DNA. You see, every lifeform has a unique DNA sequence. An organ does not have this. But a fetus does. Thus defining a fetus as its own lifeform.
3. Another argument I see is, "Well, a fetus is really no different from a tumor or parasite." This statement is very wrong. First, a tumor does not have unique DNA like a fetus does. Second, a fetus can't be considered a parasite given the fact that a fetus actually provides benefits for the mother, such as:
Wound healing
Fetal cells can migrate to damaged tissue and help repair it, including wounds from C-sections.
Reduced risk of disease
Fetal cells may help protect against breast cancer and rheumatoid arthritis. One theory is that fetal cells act like sentinels, watching for and killing breast cancer cells.
Somatic maintenance
Fetal cells may contribute to ongoing maternal somatic maintenance.
Immune status
Fetal cells may influence the immune status of women, including autoimmunity and tolerance to transplants.
Fetal cells can be found in many different tissues and organs in the mother, including the blood, bone marrow, skin, and liver. In mice, fetal cells have even been found in the brain.
Thusly a fetus is not a parasite. It lives a symbiotic relationship with the mother.
4. "Well, that still doesn't mean it's human life." True. But human DNA does. A fetus contains human DNA last I checked, so that means it is human life.
With all these facts presented to you, please choose life! And reblog this information so we can spread the word and save lives!
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bisexualfbiagents · 1 year ago
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Never give up on a miracle.
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news4dzhozhar · 8 months ago
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apersnicketylemon · 15 days ago
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I want to make something really clear that I think Anti-Choice people have failed to understand that Pro Choicers definitely saw coming.
An exception for Rape, Life of the Mother, and Incest mean nothing when you have to prove it in a court of law, or get a team of lawyers and judges to sign off on it which can take weeks or even months.
Weeks a person dying hasn't got. Women are now dying. Actually dying. Because hospitals legally could not save their lives until they could wake up a judge and get their lawyers, and another sides lawyers awake and up and figured out if it was actually necessary or not. All people with no understanding of medicine, and no attatchment to the person suffering who simply doesn't want to die.
There's a lot more I could cover, like the increase in illegal abortion, abortion tourism, the massive increase in infant abandonment... but I'm going to leave it here.
People are dying. People who should be alive. Who would be alive if abortion was legal and the hospital could have simply treated their patient without waiting for a dozen men with no medical experience in another building to decide if their patient actually needs treatment or not. And yes they do have to wait. Because if they don't they get charged with murder for trying to save a life.
Your policies are killing people. Not theoretical people. Not fetuses with no conscious thought or pain. Adults with lives. Teenagers with a whole life ahead of them. Mothers with children who need them. Real people with conscious thought, with fear, with pain. People who meet every definition of personhood.
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kira-akira · 9 months ago
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What I Want You To Know About Long COVID
Well lads, I've been suffering from Long COVID for over a year now. My life is at a complete standstill. I'm 25 years old and I'm too sick to go back to school, I can't work, I had to move back in with my parents and I'm still stuck here.
Here are just a few things I wish people knew about Long COVID, including things I didn't know myself until I got it.
COVID destroys your immune system. Yes, even if you don't have Long COVID. Are you getting sick more often now? When you get sick, does it last longer? There are many studies showing that COVID causes t cell depletion, even in mild COVID cases! T cells are how your body remembers how to fight off infections you've had before so losing those cells? Bad news.
Your initial infection can be mild and you can still get Long COVID. Right from Yale Medicine, "Most people with Long COVID had mild acute COVID." (This is also a good link for a basic Long COVID overview).
There can be a gap of time between when you "get better" from the initial COVID infection to the onset of Long COVID symptoms. Some people get sick with an initial COVID infection and never get better. Some get better and then weeks or months later start developing Long COVID symptoms. Long COVID symptoms can even fluctuate over time, can go away for months and then suddenly come back.
So many people have Long COVID and don't realize it. Do you feel more tired lately but no matter how much you sleep, nothing helps? Is it harder to concentrate at work or school? Can you just not think like you used to? You could have Long COVID and not even know it. Even mild post-COVID symptoms are still Long COVID.
COVID can do anything to your body. Long COVID has over 200 recognized symptoms and can affect basically any part or system of your body. There is no one mechanism or cause of Long COVID which unfortunately also means there's no one cure either.
The effects of COVID are cumulative. Each COVID reinfection increases your chances of developing Long COVID. COVID is also affecting your body in other ways, yes, even if you're otherwise young and healthy! "Repeat COVID-19 infections increase risk of organ failure, death".
Once you have Long COVID, repeat COVID infections will make your symptoms worse. "80% [of Long COVID patients] saw their symptoms worsen [from reinfection]. In 60% of people who were in recovery or remission from Long COVID, reinfection caused a recurrence of Long COVID."
There is a lot more I want to say about Long COVID but I want to keep this post at least somewhat manageable to read. Like how when COVID is contracted during pregnancy, those COVID-exposed fetuses have a 6.3-fold increased risk of motor developmental delays, or that another study found 50% of babies exposed to COVID in utero had developmental delays.
You need to keep caring about COVID, for others around you and also for yourself even if you're "healthy". Everyone is at risk. And don't forget 40-60% of COVID infections are asymptomatic, which is why masking even if you feel fine is crucial. The only way right now to not get Long COVID is to not get COVID in the first place. It's not too late, if you've stopped masking it's never too late to start again! I know it's easy to get distracted by things in your life that seem more real than the possibility of getting sick some time in the future, and the peer pressure to not mask can be intense. But it only feels less real or less important until your entire life is having Long COVID. Trust me.
I know this is a complicated issue, many people can't afford to stay home when sick even if they want to because of their jobs, there are disgusting policies trying to ban wearing masks, but please if you can. Keep masking. Masking works, masking saves lives.
This post got a bit longer than I wanted so below the cut is a non-exhaustive list of my Long COVID symptoms and some of my experiences as one of the "healthy young people" who got "unlucky". cw brief mention of suicidal ideation.
Welcome to the Thunderdome that is my body with Long COVID. Keep in mind these are just my experiences and symptoms, Long COVID can cause any range of symptoms at varying severities.
Dysautonomia: Exercise intolerance, Post-Exertional Malaise (PEM), fatigue, and heat intolerance. What do those things mean? Here's some specific examples. Absolutely terrible circulation I am so cold all the time but also, if I get a little too warm I will pass out. Eating hot food makes my heart rate spike, I sweat, my body feels heavy. Blood pooling and pins and needles in my feet when I walk. Don't even think about exercising past walking, it's impossible. I used to work out an hour a day 4 times a week and now walking up one flight of stairs makes my heart pound and I can't breathe. Can't take even just warm showers anymore or I will pass out. Heat rashes from being in the sun for 10 minutes.
Digestive issues: Honestly too many to name but: constant bloating, extreme nausea, constipation, slow motility, lack of appetite, just so much cramping and pain. I lost 18 pounds from Long COVID, as someone who was already considered underweight their entire life, and almost had to get a shunt put into my chest to deliver nutrients because I was nearly completely unable to eat. For the first 6 months of Long COVID, if I could manage 600 calories a day, that was a good day.
Histamine intolerance: Oh boy. My worst symptoms, I don't even know where to start with it. If you know Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) it's very similar. I can only eat 19 foods. If i eat a single bite of something not on that list, it's 48 hours of absolute hell. Coughing, migraines, itchy eyes, such extreme nausea I cannot even describe it, panic/feeling of doom, racing heart rate, derealization, rash, uncontrollable muscle tremors. I only learned about histamine intolerance 5 months into having Long COVID so before that, I was experiencing these symptoms nearly every single day. Terrifying isn't even a strong enough word to describe how it felt to experience all this and have no idea what it was, how to stop it, or if it would ever stop. Really dark times.
Neurological issues: More of that derealization. Inability to concentrate. Anxiety. OCD-like symptoms such as thoughts getting "stuck" in my head, repeating 24/7 completely unable to stop them, genuinely felt like my brain had cracked open and I had lost my mind. Constant dizziness like I'm on a boat.
Sleep issues: I sleep like garbage. I have insomnia, I wake up dozens of times every night and every single time I sleep I have intensely vivid dreams. I can't sleep longer than 7 hours total no matter how exhausted I am. It is exhausting. I'm exhausted, I'm so so tired.
And finally. Just. Really intense suicidal ideation. My body, my health, my entire life has been stolen from me because someone else decided my life was worth less to them than wearing a mask or staying home if they feel sick. Before I got Long COVID, I was preparing to go to South Korea to teach English, then on to a PhD in neurolinguistics, I was supposed to meet my long distance partner and had already booked plane tickets when I got sick. All of that has been destroyed.
Most of us with Long COVID are stuck in a cycle of being extremely sick, then if you're lucky you'll slowly get better over months, just to get reinfected and go right back where you started or worse. Honestly, I'm not scared of dying from COVID. I'm scared of living for a long time, suffering from Long COVID the entire time. This isn't living.
I don't know how to end this now. I'm still fighting, I'm trying experimental treatments, I'm not giving up yet. I hope everyone reading this stays healthy and well.
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allthingswhumpyandangsty · 7 months ago
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WRITING PROMPTS REGARDING ABORTION AND MISCARRIAGE 
trigger warnings for graphic description of the above topics, human trafficking, cannibalism, violence against pregnant women.
everything about this is entirely fictional, meant for writers. since I understand there aren’t many whump blogs that feel comfortable writing prompts about the subject (very understandable), I figured I could offer writers out there some prompts about this, in case they were looking for ideas for their works.
that being said, while the prompts are not real, the subject is very much real and can be triggering, so if it’s not something you’re comfortable with, don’t read below the line.
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*feel free to change/adjust the pronouns however you want
a pregnant whumpee got kicked in the stomach by whumper, which led to miscarriage.
a pregnant whumpee, who was a housewife, fell down the stairs at her house when her partner was away for work. she didn’t tell her partner about the incident either because she was afraid he was going to get mad at her or because she thought it was fine and didn’t want to worry him. until she suffered severe bleeding that turned the mattress red at night.
whumpee who went through miscarriage kept hallucinating a life where her child was alive and she got to raise them. caretaker tried to help her, and even though her condition only seemed to get worse, they refused to send her to an asylum. 
whumpee who lost her child during childbirth refused to surrender her child’s corpse. It was understandable at first, until the child started to decompose and rot in her arms and she, with a knife in her hand, would attack anyone who tried to take her baby away from her.
whumpee was a sex slave who got pregnant, the thing was that it was a mistake. so in order for her to be able to continue doing ‘her job’, whumper made her undergo unsafe abortion by having a straightened-out wire with sharp edge (from a coat hanger) inserted into her vagina and into her uterus. they got the fetus out, but whumpee later got a nasty infection that resulted in her suffering from hallucinations, and her not being able to stand or stop her pale, naked body from shivering. whether or not she was rescued in time is up to you, the writer. 
whumper is an OB doctor who often lied to the patients that they miscarried their perfectly healthy stillborns and that the babies needed to be surgically removed in order to save the moms’ lives. this made it very easy for the doc to get away with eating fetuses, since the moms would rather not keep the corpses of their stillborns anyway, and police were never involved. (I mean who would question a licensed physician?!)
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nesmamomen · 9 days ago
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barefootbaltimore · 2 years ago
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My least favorite birth/pregnancy myth is the whole cord wrapped around babies neck bit so now Tumblr is showing me this ad every 3 seconds im losing my shit
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Like. Like. Do people think fetuses are in there breathing for their oxygen?
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sleepyfan-blog · 4 months ago
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Isn't vat-coming a thing in 40k?
Imagine being pregnant by a primarch and finding out you're having twins... rip coochie 😭
Guilliman returns and you wring your hands and tell him the news that there's two babies instead of one, and the man stares off into space before fainting instantly. It takes like seven Ultramarines to catch him and the whole scene sounds like a shelf of pots falling on the floor.
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sunnyschristiancottage · 5 days ago
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I find it hilarious (in a negative way) how people think abortion will keep from Hitler's, Osama bin Laden's, and the such from being born. Like, uh, no. As long as babies are born, there will always be a chance that such horrible people will exist at some point. Abortions won't stop it from happening and really don't prevent them from happening as horrible people aren't born. They are created due to their living circumstances. Bad parents/parents in bad circumstances will still decide to have kids regardless. There is no good way to prevent bad people from existing. All we can do is try not to be those bad people and to spread kindness where we can. Killing babies just because there's a chance they might be evil is not the answer
Edit: Also, going by the same logic, if abortion prevents bad people from being born, then it also prevents GOOD people from being born. It prevents the people who could be the next Einsteins, Amelia Airhearts, even the next Martin Luther King Jr.s from being born! Not to mention, many people who we consider to be good people, were actually horrible in the beginning. George Müller, a man who is famous for caring for 10,024 orphans, was an alcoholic and a hoodlum in his younger years before he did all that good stuff. Proving no one is born good or bad and trying to say that "bad people won't be born if we have abortions" is probably the weakest argument you could ever have.
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cheerfullycatholic · 5 months ago
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Anyone else so tired of arguing about abortion? Like, I'm still just as on fire about it being banned completely and replaced with competent doctors who care about both of their patients and offering real life saving help, but the arguments are the worst
From my point of view, there's four kinds of arguments
1. The person values human life but doesn't believe that life begins at conception. You show them how it does, and they go on their way rethinking their position (very rare)
2. The person says some awfully dehumanizing, false thing about preborn babies, you ask them to explain it, and they get angry until someone gets blocked. Example;
"fetuses are parasites"
"how?"
"are you dumb? Look it up"
"you seem to know, I want your explanation"
"fuck you"
These people may or may not value human life outside of the womb, but they're so caught up in being defensive that they're not willing to listen to anything except the echo chamber they've been stuck in (Most common argument I get into and see)
3. The person is understandably concerned about abortion exceptions for high risk pregnancies. I don't mind these arguments, but these people tend to not listen when I tell them there are already life affirming solutions for both patients (second most common argument I get into)
4. The person blatantly doesn't value any human life but their own and will straight up say, proudly, "I know the fetus is a living human being, I will kill them anyway". This is the one I'm most concerned about because the only thing to argue is the value of human beings and that can't be argued. You can't force someone to not be selfish and value someone else's life, that's something they have to choose on their own, and we, people they hate, cannot help them (this one is becoming more common and it's concerning)
It's exhausting. Have any of you been in different kinds of arguments?
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olderthannetfic · 19 days ago
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I'm on a hobby site. This hobby is literally aimed at adults, if you're a minor in this hobby there are three options: 1 You're shit at saving your pocket/part time money and own like a tiny amount of "real" hobby items. 2 You only own fakes 3 Mommy and daddy bankroll your interests and don't ask questions. Anyway, there recently was this mini-flood of complaint and tantrum posts made by the minors in the hobby, like 1:100-1:200 ratio of minors to adults. All of them complaining about the bad evil adults in the hobby.
You guys are fucking fetuses in a hobby made for people who have more hair on their ass than head, what the fuck are you complaining about "nasty adults"? You're barely able to hold your head up, and none of you contribute to the hobby in any way, and you wail about the oldies fucking around in a hobby made by adults for adults, and kept going by adults. SMH
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Time for an old people forum and the ban hammer.
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theconcealedweapon · 9 months ago
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Pregnant people have been forced to carry fetuses that have already died. Pregnant people have been prosecuted for having miscarriages.
But police are rarely prosecuted when they assault a pregnant person and endanger the life of the fetus.
It was never about "saving babies". It was always about control.
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cimerran-714 · 1 year ago
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I figured that it would be helpful to call out ten of the most common pro-choice arguments that you might notice online. I'll preface it by saying that I am not a philosopher (or at least not yet), but I am a person with common sense, and you can see through these "arguments" if you have two brain-cells left.
Also, I understand that there are good PC arguments out there (although they are of course not successful, for a strong argument doesn't necessarily have to succeed). I am only arguing some of the most insane and ridiculous ones you'd spot.
If you want to go through some really good claims made by pro-choice/pro-abortion advocates, I'd recommend David Boonin's 'A Defense of Abortion'. It'd help you instead of you having to regurgitate whatever you are spoon-fed by the leftist cult. Go check out that book even if you're pro-life, because it's a great one.
Let's get started, shall we?
A human embryo/fetus is not human:
Yes, it's both human and alive. Biologists agree with this (including pro-choice biologists), and even pro-choice philosophers acknowledge this. This is basic empirical reality. And you only have to open an embryology textbook to know how wrong you are. Also, these people can never explain what species the fetus belongs to if not "Homo Sapiens".
2. It's just a "clump of cells".
All of us are made up of cells. Some are "clumpier" than others. And plus, it's not merely a clump of cells: the embryo is a human organism in its earlier stages of development, and very soon is also differentiated as it grows. That's like saying that it's okay to destroy a car because it's just "a bunch of metal thrown together".
3. It's not a person/sentient, yadda yadda:
Irrelevant and it's the same logic that slave-owners used to own people. Human rights is species-based, and the embryo/fetus is human. That's all that matters. These people love to make up ridiculous, arbitrary criteria to justify their bigotry.
4. You cannot force people to donate their organs...
Not the same thing at all. You cannot be forced to save people, but that doesn't mean you can actively kill them. This is the difference between killing someone and letting them die. There is a significant moral difference between deliberately pushing someone off a cliff and not saving someone who's hanging off a branch at a cliff. Abortion is the former.
5. Women would die...
All states have life-threat exceptions built into it, so this is just deflection. And yes, there are doctors who refuse to perform entirely legal abortions, but that is their fault. It IS legal. They're just cowards, and you can't blame the law for this because they already make this exception.
6. You cannot force your views onto others:
If you support democracy (and, you know, voting) you're forcing your views onto others. That's how law works.
7. The child would grow up in poverty, yadda yadda yadda...:
We don't kill born children because of these reasons, so it's a ridiculous claim. You don't solve poverty by killing the poor.
8. They are just pro-birth:
Statistics show that Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats. Also, just because they don't agree with your method of helping people doesn't mean that they don't care about born people. You see, it's like saying "A fire-fighter rescued someone from a fire, but they don't want to pay out of their pockets to look after them throughout their lives. They don't actually care!"
9. Showing pics of fetuses belonging to other species as a gotcha:
Yes, mammals of different species look the same in their earlier stages, but that doesn't mean there isn't a difference between them. This is, once again, bigoted slaver logic (to want to kill people based on their looks).
10. Men cannot have a say because:
As men are directly affected by this, they absolutely have a say. They are fathers too, and remember that they're the ones who have to pay child support.
There you go. I am not expecting you to be pro-life yet if you are not, but I hope that I have cleared your head up somewhat.
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helpmeimblorboing · 3 months ago
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Statement of… no one ? Well, that’s rather interesting
MARTIN
What ? How’s that possible ?
ARCHIVIST
Says here these were found in books found abandoned in the woods. Now, doesn’t that sound familiar…
MARTIN
You think they might be Leitners ?
ARCHIVIST
Possible. Anyways, onwards. Statement of unidentified young woman, estimated to be a teenager based on her writing patterns, regarding incidents that took place in the town of Kurouzu, Japan. Or… does that say Uzumaki ?
MARTIN
Spiral ? You think…
ARCHIVIST
Even if it is, we have to record it, right ? Might as well get started. Here goes. Statement of unidentified young woman, estimated to be a teenager based on her writing patterns, regarding incidents that took place in the town of Kurouzu, Japan. Original statement given June 10th, 1999. Audio recording by Jonathan Sims, Head Archivist of the Magnus Institute, London.
ARCHIVIST (STATEMENT)
This is Kurozu-cho, where I grew up. I would like to share with you, the strange events that took place here…
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And in the sky, towering over us, was a vast… spiral.
ARCHIVIST
Statement ends
Well, that was… deeply upsetting. From the sounds of it, quite possibly every single Entity, save perhaps a few, decided to gang up on this one town. That’s… distressing
MARTIN
What on Earth did Japan ever do to the Entities ?
ARCHIVIST
The lighthouse was clearly the work of The Desolation, and the whole… spiral thing (shudders) was doubtless The… well, Spiral’s work, but…
MARTIN
But ?
ARCHIVIST
How do you classify vampire babies ?
MARTIN
I was under the impression that they were vampire fetuses, actually
ARCHIVIST
Yes, Martin, I’m sure that makes all the difference in the world. Now, how on Earth do I classify vampire fetuses ?
MARTIN
I rather think it… defies classification by its nature, doesn’t it ? It’s definitely Spiral-aligned, after all. Isn’t that the Spiral’s whole… well, thing ?
ARCHIVIST
I suppose so (grumbles) The next time I see Michael, I am punching him in the face…
MARTIN
Maybe it’s just a misidentified Leitner and none of it ever happened ? (shrug) Who knows ?
ARCHIVIST
God I hope so
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nebulatides · 13 hours ago
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there’s so many details in mouthwashing that make me wanna gnaw on a fiber optic cable like the way jimmy and anya talked about how curly’s lucky to not be fossilized from the crash and then cut to curly in the cryopod AAAAAA!!!! AAAA!!!
OH I hadn’t thought of this! That is a very cool detail!
One detail that drives me up the wall is that Jimmy only ever seems to mourn and feel guilt over Daisuke’s death (the tombstone, all of the pink hibiscus flowers, the Walkman that he sees when walking backwards).
I get he doesn’t see Anya as a person, or really care for Swansea at all, but Curly was supposedly his best friend. Yes he “saves” curly with the cryopod, but that’s after the whole Feast scene, where he goes out of his way to hurt curly. There are also several moments where he seems to hate Curly or be jealous of him.
Daisuke is the only PERSON he actually expresses genuine guilt over. Every other aspect of guilt is not because he has hurt these people, but rather the fear of consequences. (I.E. we see horse fetuses everywhere but Anya is never seen in those moments). I feel like that has probably been said before, but I do find it interesting.
Though, now that I think about it there is the scene where Jimmy takes the mouthwash bottle from Daisuke. Daisuke tells him here that he’s always been a failure, and struggled to do right or find his path in life. The only reason he was even on the Tulpar is because someone else got him the job to try and help him be a better version of himself.
Jimmy sees himself in Daisuke. Daisuke’s mother was the someone else that got him this job; the someone he hoped wouldn’t blame herself for his death. Jimmy is only here because Curly got him this job; to help him be a better version of himself. I feel like Jimmy was not intending to help Curly by putting him in the cryopod, but rather trying to pay back what he did to Daisuke in a strange roundabout way.
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