#sassywitchmaker

[istumpysk]

The Cersei 2.0 and Lysa 2.0 comparison are funny because both of them had sexual relationship with men who were raised alongside them under the same roof . Also both of them were struck in loveless marriages and ended up cuckolding their legal husband . I won't be surprised if after the parentage reveal around late TWOW or early ADOS , they might end up sleeping together whilst she is still legally married to Tyrion .

Catelyn was past delicacy. "He was my father's ward. We grew up together in Riverrun. I thought of him as a brother, but his feelings for me were … more than brotherly. - Catelyn IV, AGOT

Lysa Arryn fucking her brother, you love to see it. They can't catch a break, can they? Even their insults blow up in their face.

I believe most people in the north will dismiss the legitimacy of her marriage to Tyrion, and she'll remarry under a different religion. The show never bothered with an annulment; the marriage was simply deemed invalid and they moved on. It would have been easy to throw in a line about Littlefinger securing an annulment, but they didn’t bother. I can see the same thing happening in the books.

The issue will be Tyrion not accepting that. Two men married to the same woman - spicy!

[elegantwoes]

People are even debating whether Sandor actually pinned her to the bed and that she might be making up things in her head coz she is an unreliable narrator . JFC, one doesn't even have to love Sansa to admit how that freak emotionally scarred her .

The amount of loopholes people in the ASOIAF fandom will jump into in order to excuse the behavior of the minor mediocre white male character is staggering. Like Sansa may be an unreliable narrator but that only applies after the situation has happened and she remembers the memory wrong, however, we actually see Sandor attempting to rape Sansa happen. There’s no wriggle room for that, and still, this fandom wants to woobify this child-murdering creep. It’s so much easier for the ASOIAF fandom to sympathize with him than with Sansa. 

[kellyvela]

Bran will be the one to bring the downfall of the others not the 3 dragons . Also the mud/earth magic has a more positive connotation of rebuiild , regeneration and life to it than say the fire or ice magic which are described in a much more destructive light .

Yes!

[chispas-and-broken-bindings]

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[shieldofrohan]

I agree with you on that subtextual trauma is something that this jackass fandom unable to pick on but also how in some way it emotionally scars them and encourages some unhealthy way of coping that we see in Sansa and Daenerys' POV.

One thing that bothers me is that the only woman who calls out on the abuses that were inflicted upon her and intends to take vengeance upon her abusers is Cersei and she is purposefully written as a villain by GRRM .

I wouldn't be surprised if Sansa forgives Sandor Clegane in the end and the narrative would frame it as gentle empathetic good girl Sansa who is able to forgive versus angry vindictive bitch Cersei who can't see the good in people.

Hello @sassywitchmaker ,

Previous asks about this:

Sansa being nice to her abusers: X1

About Cersei (and Lysa): X2

Trauma in subtext: X3

Martin's sexist text: X4

Sexual trauma as a plot device: X5

Well, what can I say more? ...

Yes, author chooses to write trauma's effects on characters in subtext and average fans can't read it. This is why I always tell people to read other books too. Asoiaf is not some literary perfection but still it is not for "green" readers.

I find Martin's sneaky writing style remarkable but also sometimes unnecessary, wrong and insensitive. He has a brilliant skill but I think his writing ethic should hold him back while writing heavy issues like sexual/mental trauma, racism, slavery etc.

I believe that Sansa is a foil for Cersei and Da*nerys both. But this shouldn't mean: Sansa should forgive her abusers or she should stay passive in her life.

And also it's interesting that Cersei and Da*nerys are both parallels and foils. One hated her r*pist husband and killed him and the other fell in love with her r*pist husband and killed him.

Cersei chose to hurt other women after her trauma and D*ny chose to ignore other women (we can see it when she tries to reason Drogo's men raping women by saying that this is the price of Iron Throne or her ignoring Mirri's rightful wish to stop Drogo etc). There are many parallel-foils between these two characters.

In one hand it is interesting to read a little girl becoming the villain (D*ny) but in the other hand it is distasteful to read a woman being villainized for being bitter against her abuser (Cersei).

Well I think Martin makes sure that Cersei was always cruel to everyone so we can't say that she is like this just because of her trauma but still I wished there was a character who is a GOOD person but also BITTER against her abusers. I want that character to be Sansa. She is not vengeful but she doesn't exactly like her abusers either. So she is opposite of Cersei/Dany.

But Martin still doesn't let her be bitter without writing her whitewashing her abusers. HE NEEDS TO STOP THIS. Because not having a character who deals with her tauma in a healthy way hurts the story and it makes you question author's motives.

Being nice, forgetful and forgiving towards abusers can only open more doors for them to keep being abusive. And the victim can't survive her trauma like this.

I don't think that books should teach us right and wrong but if Martin doesn't agree with nihilism criticism than he should make his statement by giving us a right example.

Thanks for the ask, have a nice day.

[an-oranophobic-maniac]

I have a kink for Jonsas mercilessly dragging down antis 🤗 .

Thanks @sassywitchmaker I too like doing it a lot. But sometimes arguing with them is utterly pointless. Still we have to stand up for ourselves now and then. Don't we??

[istumpysk]

Hopefully in 2022 a decent critic of Jonnel x Sansa shows up on my dashboard that doesn't say how Jonnel and Sansa aren't meant to be Jon and Sansa or how it's an allusion to other characters . Until then happy Jonsa shipping and a very happy New Year .

I’ll drink to that! 🥂😂

Happy New Year @sassywitchmaker! 🥰

[istumpysk]

Nothing funnier than how Sansa's ending riled up a good chunk of fandom .

Imagine their fury when they learn she also gets the prince.

[istumpysk]

Considering how Benjen and Lyanna were so close during their childhood , I think he knows Jon is Lyanna's son , not necessarily he was told which I don't think but more or less figured it out on his own . That's why the advice on not joining the Watch . Fuck , I want Benjen to attend Jonsa wedding 😭 .

Ohhhhh, I totally headcanon Benjen knows the truth too.

Benji is like Rickon - we should probably expect the worst, but my heart won't let go.

[istumpysk]

Sansa VII ASOS vibes wrt Bran II AGOT ? Could you explain ?

Nothing too deep.

Almost the entirety of Bran's chapter is dedicated to describing Winterfell's architecture, interlaced with stories of him growing up.

It has a similar feel to Sansa remembering Winterfell as she builds, interlaced with stories of her growing up.

For a moment the world is pure, and the love they have for their home really shines through.

Then tragedy strikes, Lysa and Bran see something they shouldn’t, and both chapters end with them getting shoved out a window/door to their death. Or you can look at it as Sansa barely escaping Bran’s fate.

Post being referenced: operation re-read, bran II

[istumpysk]

Jon calls Myrcella insipid . Later in AFFC , Cersei addresses Lyanna as insipid . Tit for Tat .

Pfftbwahahaa. Why do I love this?

More Cersei/Jon parallels, please.

[istumpysk]

My sixth sense tells me that TWOW meltdown is going to be on a much grander scale than S8 . " Boycott Grrm " is going to be the slogan 😂 .

Oh, they're going to slaughter the poor man. Nobody likes being wrong.

I wasn't around for the release of ADWD, but I heard the early reception was ugly, and only improved with time.

The fandom believes they own the property and characters at this point, there’s nothing he can do.

[istumpysk]

FMK: MILF edition ... Catelyn, Cersei , Ellaria ?

You owe me an answer!

Fuck - Ellaria. Good enough for Oberyn, good enough for me. I bet she teaches me a few things. 

Marry - Catelyn. Ultimate wifey material.

Kill - Cersei. For the kids. 

[istumpysk]

After the whole accusation of how disgusting is Sansa's thoughts about Mycah, the only thing I remember her telling that he is smelly. Not a very positive look on Sansa, I would admit as a Sansa stan .

I want to be a bit petty. But this is some serious fucked up shit .

Pretty Pia from the buttery was a slut who was working her way through every knight in the castle. (ACOK, Arya VII)

The fact is all my years in the fandom and after reading the books many times , I don't know how I never came across this passage .

I think whatever headcanons we have about characters are more to do about the consistent open discourse in the fandom rather than actual interpretation of text . The Classist, ableist , bully Sansa is a narrative that has been popularized in the fandom for years . It's only been a few years since people have started to see Sansa as more than those titles. 6, 7 years earlier it was all about shallow Sansa unable to see the beauty underneath Tyrion and Sandor. Atleast now those ships are criticized and so is the behaviour of those men during Blackwater and the wedding night. Thats why I think Jonsa is hated because as a fandom, we have unearthed some pretty unpopular interpretations of characters. This quote about Pia is one such example ( You will never see it mentioned anywhere and even when someone comes across this, they will be surprised just like me )

Maybe Sansa isn't the only ableist and classist in Westeros. Maybe no matter how woke you are as a character, the fact that being born as a daughter of a feudal lord isn't going to erase the classism with which one grows up with. Thats why I believe Grrm is writing well rounded mentally strong female characters but not feminists . Also the fact all of the women even the ones who are non gender confirming like Arya, Asha and Brienne are highborns. So one could argue that Sansa is more classist than Arya but to say the younger sister is class blind is like saying a woke white person is race blind .

Could you imagine the consequences of Sansa slut shaming one of Cersei's spy handmaidens in her thoughts 😱 ?

You’re right, headcanons are so entrenched within this fandom, it’s almost impossible to introduce a new idea, regardless of its legitimacy.

I'm like you, I forgot all about that quote until I came upon it on @agentrouka-blog’s tumblr. It’s not one of her better moments, but at worst it's just a clueless kid repeating things she's heard adults say.

Yes, Sansa would be buried for thinking something like that, but as frustrating as it is that she’s held to a different standard than any other character in the series, we have to remind ourselves that’s not how the author operates. Thankfully he doesn’t care about narratives built on fan forums.

With that being said, if some Arya fan comes sniffing over here, it’s nice to have that quote in my back pocket, lol. Love a good opportunity to be petty.

[istumpysk]

I think we will have torture in TWOW followed by relief due to parentage reveal in ADOS .

I agree with you! Feels like a pretty safe bet, given everything George has said.

There's a lot more darkness to come before the dawn. :( I think we all anticipate TWOW to be painful, but personally (and this might be my self-delusion talking), I've always assumed TWOW will go much worse for Arya/ Bran/Rickon than Jon/Sansa. That's not to suggest the little ones haven't already been put through enough torture, or that the older ones will have an easy time of it going forward, it's just the general feeling I get given where they currently are in the story, and what’s to come.

[chispas-and-broken-bindings]

Happy new year to you and your family .

Thank you @sassywitchmaker ! Happy new year to you and yours as well!