#sanders sides critical

[ts-critsfander]

AI Thumbnail

Thomas' new YouTube video has a thumbnail that VERY obviously uses an AI background. Has he done worse stuff? ABSOLUTELY. But this is still a low point even for Thomas.

The Sanders Sides fandom thrives off of artists whether it's drawings or fanfic writers aka people who HATE ai with a reasonable passion. Thomas constantly acknowledges those artists so it's just insulting if anything.

I know the description of said video says Lev created it not Thomas but he still posted it and numerous people are calling him out. I'm not saying he needs to make a big deal but he just needs to say something about it. Even if it's just "My bad I should've checked. I'll try and prevent this in the future."

Knowing Thomas he probably won't.

[whereisstevethestove]

When that sanders sides hiatus be so long c!thomas changes the layout of his entire apartment

[shut-up-hope]

personally i have been enjoying seeing thomas get under 100k views on most of his recent uploads. karma’s a bitch when you guilt trip others especially your fand, delay a finale of your main series for 4 years and underpay your employees.

[softestvirgil]

Every so often I log in to find out what crazy stuff has been going on around here and oh boy. Thomas is once again in another controversy over how he treats artists he works with. Can’t say I’m shocked but will the guy ever learn?

TLDR: He underpaid Brei Grace for her work on Roleslaying With Roman and then laid her off, only for her not to want to return due to how she was treated.

[phantominzie]

Ranting about TSS

I would like to start by saying, yes, I am fully aware I don't post fandom rants very often (ESPECIALLY SASI). However, I've been feeling rather upset over the fandom and Thomas.

I would also like to mention that in no way is this attacking Thomas or any of his writers, hell, not even the fandom itself. I just need to let all of this out.

You're always totally free to skip over this, I know ts crit isn't everyone's cup of tea <3

To start, I am so just...tired? It's been so frustrating waiting for a finale for four fucking years and getting the bait and switch every time Thomas makes a post about 'upcoming Sanders Sides content!'

I understand taking time to work on something so important to cannon, but four years? I can also give him a little leeway for having some staff issues, but it's almost painful to only keep getting the series we love get downgraded so harshly over the years.

Almost all of the sides have been made so two dimensional. At first they felt so fleshed out, so real, and fandom focused their character on one sole trait (not unforgivable but a bit frustrating). Then, I guess Thomas just picked up on fandom and decided 'yeah! I'll just make them two dimensional too!' That's not what we want. And frankly that's never what we wanted. Occasionally, he'll give us breadcrumbs of character development, or show us a sliver of light to what they once were, but it's never the same.

And frankly, I feel bad for having my hopes so high for the finale. Sure it's been taking four years, but that doesn't mean it will be perfect, hell, it might suck. Of course, I will watch it, but I won't be happy about it. About the lies, about the bait and switch, about the constant merch plugs over actual content, about the four incorrect quotes over working on the finale, about the prioritizing of under five minutes long videos that no one will watch anyways.

I love that Thomas is working on things that make him happy, and I don't think I'll ever stop being happy about that, but he needs to take into heart that without content, merch won't sell anyways.

He made a tweet recently that said that we would be getting the finale in an uncertain number of weeks, but based on the past four years I don't even think it will come out at all. If it does, I swear that if we get a merch plug in the finale I'm going to lose my shit.

I want him to see that fandom can't carry itself, and that if he doesn't have that finale have the actually well done makeup we've been begging for, or have our three dimensional characters back, then he won't have a fandom at all.

I'm almost angry that this is my special interest at this point, I'm so let down by the direction the series is probably headed.

I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, and if people leave death threats in my inbox (which has happened to people posting ts crit; no i'm not joking) then trust that you won't be answered. No one is to tag Thomas on this post, and if Thomas even finds this post then heed the words I've said. This isn't a threat to you, and frankly it never was. What is it is the frustrations of a tired and exasperated fan.

I'm sorry if this has rubbed anyone the wrong way, I apologize if it has. I hope this doesn't make people think I'm becoming some TSS hater, I'm really not. But I'm frustrated, and that's normal

Thank you for reading this all the way through if your here, I love you <3

[the-astrophel-system]

i know. I KNOW. it was just meant to be a silly video.

but surely hes fucking with us.

that make up HURTS SO BAD.

thomas please, you're allowed to make good quality content. please for the love of fuck.

WHAT DID YOU DO TO THEM

[let-roman-bite-someone]

btw i really really hope that janus's current characterization, with the wine and sass, is just there for the more light-hearted episodes, and that thomas hasn't forgotten the nuance behind his character.

[prodigal-explorer]

i'm usually not too big on criticizing thomas or sanders sides but i just have to get this off my chest

i HATE how thomas endorses and supports the infantilization of patton. he makes fan-service jokes that woobify patton and go completely against things that have been pre-established in the series just because he knows that fans love to talk about how patton is "their uwu babey boi who can do no wrong".

i feel like thomas can see how much the fandom loves it, so he does it, but it's just so dumb because in a way, infantilizing patton is infantilizing a part of him so therefore it sort of feels like infantilizing himself.

maybe i'm being a little much. it's his series and he can do what he wants! but i don't think it's very good to actively support something that is actually a massive misconception just for the sake of getting more likes and laughs.

this is based off of something @sanderssideswriting that got me thinking so thanks bro for fueling my rant LMAO /g

[casey-complains]

oh fanon is so going to become canon

[just-a-little-anxious]

Past me: "Wow! Imagine how cool it would be if the creators of shows would look at the fanbase and listen and make things canon and add some fanon interpretations into the show"

Me now, after witnessing what happened with sanders sides: "Oh god please no. Please keep it separate, please. Don't make the fanon canon i'm begging you-"

[ts-critsfander]

Thomas not being a writer is fine because not every actor can write, what's not fine is that he refuses to pay writers to the point he HAS PEOPLE PAY HIM TO HELP WRITE CANON EPISODES VIA PATREON. I'm tired of the fandom not calling it what it is. It's not a perk for fans its a crutch for Thomas because he doesn't know what to do with his own property.

It's so frustrating because what do you mean fans that don't understand the characters can write episodes????

Lets go down the list of how the fandom treats the characters.

Patton: Villainize him for existing

Virgil: UwUify him

Roman: Ignore his problems and see him as an egomaniac

Logan: Orange

Janus: See him as just an alcoholic

Remus: Don't understand him and just think he's randomness

I do not want these people writing episodes. FANS SHOULDN'T BE THIS ENTANGLED IN CANON.

[whereisstevethestove]

*pulls a drag from my cigarette*

Yeahhhh

Happy year four

[shut-up-hope]

if y’all want to watch thomas embarrass himself and get secondhand embarrassment, watch his “taking on the wednesday dance” video (skip to 8:05).

[softestvirgil]

I really miss being into Sanders Sides. I miss the characters so much. I can’t even watch old episodes without feeling bad about it because I don’t enjoy them how I used to, and it’s like the show’s lost it’s magic for me. I can’t even see the sides as separate from Thomas anymore and I literally used to be one of the people who talked on here about how easy it was to suspend my disbelief and forget that they were all him. Not to mention that in new videos they are all so out of character that it’s as if they’re Walmart versions of their former selves. It’s sad.

[phantominzie]

Read your ts criticism post and thought I should add - he hasn’t written anything in years. There’s no script even near ready to film.

He’s stringing everyone along and using all monetary support to go clubbing every weekend.

He’s not working on anything else besides shorts and cheap quick content. Ever since the real writers left, he’s done nothing. That’s why nothing that he’s said he’s been working on ever got done. RSWR only got done because he wasn’t the writer, and from the looks of his recent post - he let that writer go.

He literally just wants to profit and party.

oh shit dude.....like fuck. we are fucked as a fandom huh?

like, I've seen his posts about comic con and stuff like that and the more you think about it the sadder it gets. I mean, had he actually written a whole script within six months when he made a post about starting filming?

i mean good God, we prolly aren't even getting this until the end of this year at the earliest (LIKE HE FUCKING PROMISED BTW), it's likely we aren't going to be getting any word of this until next year.

fuuuuuuck.

[moldy-lemons]

i just screamed so loud i broke the fucking sound barrier. THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR THIS. THERE IS NONE. You know what there is demand for? The fucking FINALE.