#tss crit

[the-astrophel-system]

disclaimer that i have no access to the writers room on patreon.

but i hate hate hate that it feels like thomas lost one of his best writers (joan) and then decided to make up for it, by making the fandom write the script. we see it with the incorrect quotes, we see it with the 5 year special, we saw it with the lastest christmas asides, i know there are other examples too. and im sure we'll see it in the finale.

thomas has tried so hard to pander to what he thinks the audience wants, those fans who want their perfect little ideas to be canon. they've both ruined the series. i used to like the little cute moments that you could run with and make a ship from (e.g, first you take her by the hand (even tho i hated that one at the time, i gotta say its so funny now), elementary my dear daddy, the entire virgil and logan debate, etc etc). but now it is so goddamn obvious who the "canon" ships are. its exhausting.

this series would've been so much better if thomas had the confidence to write a story without feeling the need to cater everything to the audience. we loved the original videos where it was fun and lovely and tackled some hard conversations. not turning the sides into one dimensional innocent babies who make a mockery of the original videos. yes the conversations are going to be mature as the audience grows up, but you're still acting like "oh im logan and i like jam", "oh im janus and i like wine", and "oh im patton and im so innocent" is fucking funny. its not. (even though svs redux didn't necessarily have these examples, i still heavily disliked the episode because of how it played out).

i feel like too many ideas and wants have been pushed in thomas' face, and i dont blame him. if everyone was shouting at me that my original characters have to end up together, or they must fit these tight little boxes, id get overwhelmed and want to give up. obviously thomas doesn't want to do that (even though he pretty much has at this point) so instead hes dragging things out and effectively making everyone else write the episodes for him.

just some thoughts.

[softestvirgil]

Every so often I log in to find out what crazy stuff has been going on around here and oh boy. Thomas is once again in another controversy over how he treats artists he works with. Can’t say I’m shocked but will the guy ever learn?

TLDR: He underpaid Brei Grace for her work on Roleslaying With Roman and then laid her off, only for her not to want to return due to how she was treated.

[moldy-lemons]

sigh. can’t believe i ever liked this man, honestly.

[ts-critsfander]

Thomas not being a writer is fine because not every actor can write, what's not fine is that he refuses to pay writers to the point he HAS PEOPLE PAY HIM TO HELP WRITE CANON EPISODES VIA PATREON. I'm tired of the fandom not calling it what it is. It's not a perk for fans its a crutch for Thomas because he doesn't know what to do with his own property.

It's so frustrating because what do you mean fans that don't understand the characters can write episodes????

Lets go down the list of how the fandom treats the characters.

Patton: Villainize him for existing

Virgil: UwUify him

Roman: Ignore his problems and see him as an egomaniac

Logan: Orange

Janus: See him as just an alcoholic

Remus: Don't understand him and just think he's randomness

I do not want these people writing episodes. FANS SHOULDN'T BE THIS ENTANGLED IN CANON.

[phantominzie]

Ranting about TSS

I would like to start by saying, yes, I am fully aware I don't post fandom rants very often (ESPECIALLY SASI). However, I've been feeling rather upset over the fandom and Thomas.

I would also like to mention that in no way is this attacking Thomas or any of his writers, hell, not even the fandom itself. I just need to let all of this out.

You're always totally free to skip over this, I know ts crit isn't everyone's cup of tea <3

To start, I am so just...tired? It's been so frustrating waiting for a finale for four fucking years and getting the bait and switch every time Thomas makes a post about 'upcoming Sanders Sides content!'

I understand taking time to work on something so important to cannon, but four years? I can also give him a little leeway for having some staff issues, but it's almost painful to only keep getting the series we love get downgraded so harshly over the years.

Almost all of the sides have been made so two dimensional. At first they felt so fleshed out, so real, and fandom focused their character on one sole trait (not unforgivable but a bit frustrating). Then, I guess Thomas just picked up on fandom and decided 'yeah! I'll just make them two dimensional too!' That's not what we want. And frankly that's never what we wanted. Occasionally, he'll give us breadcrumbs of character development, or show us a sliver of light to what they once were, but it's never the same.

And frankly, I feel bad for having my hopes so high for the finale. Sure it's been taking four years, but that doesn't mean it will be perfect, hell, it might suck. Of course, I will watch it, but I won't be happy about it. About the lies, about the bait and switch, about the constant merch plugs over actual content, about the four incorrect quotes over working on the finale, about the prioritizing of under five minutes long videos that no one will watch anyways.

I love that Thomas is working on things that make him happy, and I don't think I'll ever stop being happy about that, but he needs to take into heart that without content, merch won't sell anyways.

He made a tweet recently that said that we would be getting the finale in an uncertain number of weeks, but based on the past four years I don't even think it will come out at all. If it does, I swear that if we get a merch plug in the finale I'm going to lose my shit.

I want him to see that fandom can't carry itself, and that if he doesn't have that finale have the actually well done makeup we've been begging for, or have our three dimensional characters back, then he won't have a fandom at all.

I'm almost angry that this is my special interest at this point, I'm so let down by the direction the series is probably headed.

I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, and if people leave death threats in my inbox (which has happened to people posting ts crit; no i'm not joking) then trust that you won't be answered. No one is to tag Thomas on this post, and if Thomas even finds this post then heed the words I've said. This isn't a threat to you, and frankly it never was. What is it is the frustrations of a tired and exasperated fan.

I'm sorry if this has rubbed anyone the wrong way, I apologize if it has. I hope this doesn't make people think I'm becoming some TSS hater, I'm really not. But I'm frustrated, and that's normal

Thank you for reading this all the way through if your here, I love you <3

[takealookatmycrabclaw]

Saw a post recently and decided to post some asks i got in my inbox a while ago and just never shared bc I didn't want to be like "woe is me" but if others are doing it I feel sorta safe to do it

Like it's never that serious💀💀💀

It's kinda funny like why is it in all caps??? 😭😭😭

Part of the reason I took the "im black" thing out of my bio:/

[prodigal-explorer]

i'm usually not too big on criticizing thomas or sanders sides but i just have to get this off my chest

i HATE how thomas endorses and supports the infantilization of patton. he makes fan-service jokes that woobify patton and go completely against things that have been pre-established in the series just because he knows that fans love to talk about how patton is "their uwu babey boi who can do no wrong".

i feel like thomas can see how much the fandom loves it, so he does it, but it's just so dumb because in a way, infantilizing patton is infantilizing a part of him so therefore it sort of feels like infantilizing himself.

maybe i'm being a little much. it's his series and he can do what he wants! but i don't think it's very good to actively support something that is actually a massive misconception just for the sake of getting more likes and laughs.

this is based off of something @sanderssideswriting that got me thinking so thanks bro for fueling my rant LMAO /g

[let-roman-bite-someone]

i have aired my frustrations about people complaining about janus’s recent characterization but i have to agree that his current makeup is a HUGE downgrade. i’m so sorry but that black line looks so weird and awkward, i keep getting distracted by it 😭 it used to look something like a scar, a lot more subtle and natural but now it looks like it was drawn on with a sharpie.

[halfgood-halfbad-badboy]

Oh my god every time I lot onto this app there’s a new insane take. I can roll my eyes at the Thomas dick suckers who think he’s done absolutely nothing wrong but the fucking nazi headcanons????????? What the fuck????????????

[sunshine-embry]

im genuinely excited for when the rest of the Thomas Sanders fans realize he actually CAN do wrong

[the-astrophel-system]

i have received one like so far. so i will post thomas sanders crit.

firstly, i agree with literally everyone on this site.

janus' 'new' makeup is absolute shit and while i love quill, id be so embarrassed if i was them. i understand the nuances of makeup, but i have no idea how you can switch it up THAT differently and feel confident in posting it.

i personally think the makeup is bad and has effectively ruined the suave personality janus had. dont even get me started on how he is just a wine aunt now, but i cannot take that makeup seriously, no matter how he acts.

[softestvirgil]

thinking about how i was 16 when the last episode came out and now i can go to bars

💀

[moldy-lemons]

thomas sanders stop guilt tripping your fans challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]

[ts-critsfander]

Thinking about Remus' current characterization and I believe the best outright sentence that confirms he's doomed is in the "My Characters Read Your Tweets" video where Remus says he's not a Florida man because "I'm not THAT out there."

You mean to tell me the guy who ate another person's arm in his introduction episode isn't as out there as a Florida man?

The guy who kills people isn't out there?

[accidentalcriticalfander]

Why is he doing stuff like this? I feel like it's very off putting. I can't really put my finger on exactly why this is bothering me.

[takealookatmycrabclaw]

Roman: I love disney yay!

Virgil: shut up bitch you're dumb

Roman: oh my god that's so mean

Thomas: *mistreats his employees*