#same with the mmc

[doctorobinavitch]

9K MAKE ME CHOOSE:･ﾟ✧:･ﾟ @poonmitpakdee ASKED: Ryan/Esposito or Kate/Lanie?

I'm your partner. That means I'm with you 'til the wheels fall off

[spideyhexx]

okay now that I’ve read all the emhen books my ranking is;

beach read

book lovers

pwmov

funny story

happy place

[i-am-megalodonna]

Someday I will write a romance novel where the love interest is a fat man because I'm sorry but I cannot truly get into books that prattle on and on about rock hard muscles and defined abs and pecs and what have you. Where are the fat men I'm so tired.

[hiemaldesirae]

they are quite literally not even being subtle

[k-umorebi]

i'm currently subjecting myself to ali hazelwood (i needed a book that's pink for the readathon i'm participating in this month). i'm like 20% in and i've already had it with the size difference.

[cariiad]

sometimes i consider just how much of an impact prince cornelius from thumbelina and dimitri from anastasia had on the collective consciousness of women born in the 90s

[zyafics]

rafe removes your makeup after a party

enemies to lovers, childhood history, one remembers / one doesn't

zya's notes: this is a (draft) snippet from my book, where the fmc hates the mmc but he doesn't know why. i've been writing blurbs for them, and wanted to share it with the rafe cameron fandom using reader insert. enjoy <3

“Come here,” Rafe taps the countertop of your sink. You lift your heavy gaze at his instruction; brows furrowed, eyes narrowed. Your first instinct is to roll a sharp-witted response off your tongue, to counter that he doesn’t deserve to order you around, but something in his expression dulls all animosity.

A pleading look behind his gentle command, one that’s asking you to be agreeable for once. It suddenly takes you back. To the boy who asked the same thing before; in another time, another place. Stripped of all arrogance and ego, is someone who just wants to take care of you.

It moves something in you, causing you to drunkenly stumble towards him, nearly tripping on your own two feet.

Rafe catches your waist. Normally, you’ve never been so uncoordinated but the amount of liquor in your system tells a different story. Your breath is unsteady, your heart hammering, and his gaze drops to yours.

“Okay?” He asks softly, and you don’t have the power to answer. Instead, you nod thickly, and Rafe takes it as consent. His free hand glides over your ribcage, exposed by a rode-up top, before finding grip on your hip. With one swift tug, he hauls you up the counter and sets you down.

You tilt your head to the side, uncertainty building behind your stare, before he mechanically moves to your cabinet, grabbing a handful of cotton pads and your makeup remover.

You don’t understand what’s happening. Why he’s being so nice to you. Why he’s helping you. Especially when you’ve been nothing but cold. Sending him away with venomous insults. Scowling whenever he’s in proximity. He doesn’t understand why. You don’t tell him, believing it would be enough for him to leave you alone. But he doesn’t. And in moments in these, he acts like the boy you once knew.

You once loved.

You say nothing as he grabs your chin, raising it skywards, and slowly drags the soaked pad across your skin, peeling away layers upon layers. His gaze is intensely focused on the task—delicately swiping the cotton across your waterline, to the corner of your eyes, to the slope of your nose. All done without a word until you’re nothing but bare.

When he drops the final used pad into the trash, Rafe draws his gaze back to you and smiles softly. Softer than you ever deserved. “There. All good now.”

You should show gratitude. Thank him for taking care of you. Thank him for driving you home when you were alone, drunk, and nothing short of a mess. This can be an invitation to turn over a new leaf, an extension of an olive branch.

But after all the anger and hate you’ve spewed at him, all the verbal threats and cruel mockery, you can’t seem to find the kindness you once owned. And, because your mouth runs much faster than your mind ever does, your first words are: “What bitch taught you this?”

[my-names-angel-but-im-not-one]

MC meets their male version!

#1

Something happened with one of the doors in Barbatos's room and. M!MC (male MC) ended up walking in this devildom where's our F!MC/GN!MC is.

Story list

Lucifer: .......so you're saying he basically travelled universe accidentally, because of your mistake.

Barbatos: it wasn't my mistake, the other Barbatos made the mistake

Lucifer: and now you want me to keep him here, with our mc?? Did Diavolo even approved it!?!

Barbatos: he was the one who suggested it, yes.

Lucifer: ...ugh *facepalms*

MC: *looking at M!MC with squinting eyes*

M!MC: *doing the same*

M!MC: ........ask away..

Mc: how big is that peni-

M!MC: that's the first thing you ask? ......Not surprised.

M!MC: I'll tell you , if you tell me your bra siz-

MC: Deal.

M!MC: Deal.

Barbatos:

Lucifer:

Barbatos: .... I'll see if I can fix it up till tomorrow.

Lucifer: please.

[A/N]: this is gonna be a series ......maybe :p

Common tag that used: MMC x MC (use this tag to find more)

Also I'm close to hitting 1k!! Thank you all!! Muwah :3

[unhealthyfanobsession]

The most wild thing about Cassian’s feral and constant defence of anything Rhysand is that it could be such a beautiful pain rather than a confusing annoyance.

Like I love “MMC who only thinks about FMC” as much as the next person but why wasn’t Cassian allowed a SHRED of character development.

What if every time Nesta says something bad about Rhys it’s like a barely healed over scab ripping open beneath her nails. The agony of 50 years, half a century without his brother. The loss barely healed before war comes, the time never enough. Distant, they’ve still been so impossibly distant. In the same room laughing and drinking whiskey but minds entirely occupied with their own personal destruction and salvation, both bearing the name Archeron. They haven’t even had a single good day, a single complete day, where one of them wasnt heartbroken or war wasn’t beating down their door.

And the entire cauldron-damned time he was quelling rebellion in Illyria it was all he heard. Insults for the brother who gave everything to save them. Again and again, his whole life Cassian has had to fight and punch and bloody in defence of his brother. It’s instinct. He didn’t even think, lashing out with words as if his mate was Devlon. And he regretted it. Of course, the second the words left his mouth he regretted them, but … it was true, wasn’t it. In a sense, in a horrible way.

Everyone did hate Nesta.

Not the female herself, he knew, but what she reminded them of. She wore her trauma on her sleeve while they all choked and gargled on the blood still staining their hands and everyone hated her for it. Mor most of all, he guessed. An open wound, refusing to shut. It was why she was here. Why they were both here.

Fuck the money. Fuck the liquor and sex. It was the pain. The empty spot at the dining table, the aching absence in the pictures on the walls. They … well, he and Feyre, really, couldn’t stand her absence but her presence was nothing but a mirror. Reflecting everything still inside of them. Broken and raging and screaming insults at anyone who dared speak ill of his brother.

Habit, instinct, to lash out when one he loved was insulted.

He hated Nesta for hating Rhys. And he hated Rhys for hating Nesta.

Because what, in the almighty fuck, was he supposed to do with that?

When he loved them both so much.

[shadowsatdawnx]

why is it that, when azriel is possessive and protective of elain, an incredibly common trope in romantasy, it’s “gross and entitled” but when any other MMC in any other book does it, suddenly it’s sexy? i don’t see the xadenviolet girlies whining that xaden is toxic because of his jealousy and possessiveness and therefore must not have real feelings for violet.

what happened to the “touch her and die” girlies? or is it only because he feels that way for a character they vilify for asinine reasons?

i know for a fact that if azriel had these same thoughts and feelings about their preferred character they would never shut up about, but because it’s boring, weak elain, suddenly it’s a crime.

anyways, can’t wait to watch az go absolutely feral for his flower girl in the next book and i’ll be cheering him on the entire time because that is what i read romance for and she deserves a man who would go to the ends of the earth to make her his 🫶

[magerightsmagefights]

I know people tend to forget Wyll a lot in this fandom (I wonder why. What Could Possibly Be Different. Can you spot the difference?/s) but I'm genuinely surprised at the lack of Durge x Wyll content. Especially if you're going Redeemed, there's that inherent flavor of "My lover cannot know the truth, I am horrible and they would hate me, they would be correct to hate me." And with Wyll it's just... so juicy, he's so pure and shining, and Durge is so filled with filth and misery that there's barely a person left underneath.

Idk, as a femme romance reader I've spent so many years reading the "love redeems" arc where a FMC plays beauty to an MMC beast, in every genre, medium, budget, etc. I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum, but beauty and the beast as a story structure has never done it for me.

until it's reversed, apparently, because Wyll as the beauty to Durge's beast needs to be injected directly into my veins like yesterday. All the other companions are good and sweet, don't get me wrong, but their reactions are coded like 'i accept you,' where Wyll to me comes off much more as 'we will heal you.' He doesn't have any funny little quips about you trying to bite him, no innuendos, no "I Will Put You Down" a la Laezel, he's just... so good, and he believes in your inherent goodness, he so easily sees "you" and "your urges" as wholly seperate entities he would step between if he could.

Speaking of which!! The coronation scene, when everyone finds out you're Bhaalspawn? I never see anyone talking about Wyll's reaction compared to other companions getting angry (even Dark Shadowheart will yell at you) because Wyll seems to be the ONLY PERSON who immediately separates you(the person he knows) from you(the person you used to be). Astarion isn't angry, he even appreciates your scheme freeing him from Cazador, but he also kinda falls into the whole "I will talk to you as if you are the exact same person who did these things, this is Your True Nature and I feel positive about it."

Wyll's reaction feels like the only one saying "You WERE that," instead of "You ARE that." It also feels like the only one that kinda-sorta acknowledges Durge's actual amnesia, because he doesn't treat this revelation like a betrayal the way the other "good" companions do. They be saying "The real evil was hiding within our ranks all along" like wym hiding? Durge didn't know either, how tf they supposed to tell you?

Wyll doesn't even blink. Once he knows what you are, his No.1 priority is reassuring YOU about it. The fact you're Bhaalspawn isn't a betrayal; it's a Horrible Burden and he's sorry you have to bear it, but there have been others like you who were good, who overcame, and your blood isn't who you are. His first instinct is to offer hope, to reassure you that there's a way out, he believes so hard that your urges are a defeatable enemy and he's ready to fight them with you.

(I also fall into the Durge And Gortash Fucked camp, and I cannot overstate the tastiness of Durge waltzing into the coronation of their ex, the Worst Man Alive, while bringing along their new boyfriend, the Best Man Alive)

Idk, I've just never engaged in a romance where I played the part of the Beast. As much as people rag on pure, princely archetypes, I don't actually see them that often. I genuinely don't remember the last time I read/saw a male lead behave like Wyll, but I've seen plenty of Astarions, Fenrises, Rhysands, etc. Romance loves a fixable MMC, but so rarely an MMC who wants to do the fixing.

Anyway. Justice for Wyll or whatever. I can only cross my fingers that future DLC will include more romance content, because we all deserve to have a Beauty for our Beast sometimes.

[blu3butterfly]

I’m a casual reader but I decided to make a post because I’m baffled, after going online to see what others make of the Elucien mating bond when the books seem to set up Elain and Azriel, to discover that most of the discourse is not about Lucien/Elain/Azriel but about people shipping Gwyn with Azriel. Like that to me makes no sense, because aside from there being close to nothing on page to point to that, they also have no conflict. Nothing is stopping those two to be together if they so wish, what are those 700+ pages gonna be about? And same could be said about Elucien too, no conflict aside from the fact that Elain doesn’t want to be anywhere near him, and a story where the couple is only together because they are forced by a “soulmate” type situation is kinda a bad romance. Then going back to Gwynriel, I’ve read that pairing is popular because of the BC, but it’s exactly the bonus chapter why they would never work as a couple. Not after it’s been confirmed Azriel has those thoughts and feelings for Elain. If he and Gwyn are mates it really makes for a shitty romance that the only reason he would be with her is because of the mating bond. If the bonus chapter didn’t happen a case could maybe be made for them but even if he only feels lust for Elain, who wants to read a story where the MMC lusts after someone else while the female character was nearby all along he just didn’t notice her? Like in what world makes that for a good romance? Again same applies to Elucien. Maybe, maybe the pairing could be salvaged somehow if they are not mates and just fall in love but why would have Sarah J Mass set it up like that. The other two mated couples had conflict for why they weren’t together and were in each others orbit and radar and had feelings for each other before the mating bond. Like Nesta was willing to die with Cassian, they were clearly set up, where is that with Azriel and Gwyn? It just wouldn’t make sense to have a Azriel/Gwyn pairing with no prior set up. Even in the first book when it seemed Feyre might end up with Tamlin, Rhys was very much being part of her story. And sure, Gwyn has trauma and that might make her trusting a man hard but last book was exactly about trauma, it’s a flimsy plot point to fill another 700+ pages.

[ceilidho]

the way you wrote kyle getting bulkier in fig 2 literally made my eyes roll back into my head. he’s always got a lean figure to him but my gawd the mental image of him thick and bulky makes me wanna scream. love your stories so much, they never disappoint :D

he is leaner than the others in my head (and the same height as price, shorter than ghost, taller than soap), but I can never resist making my MMC a little bulky. Also I love the idea of physical changes during ruts and heats…..alphas bulking up before their omega’s heat is going to make me crazy…..

[zhoras-bitch]

Inspired by the recent reddit post, but referencing the discussion in general.

The male MC discourse in RC is stupid, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. I am a girl who usually likes to play as a girl in my games and I hope I can keep playing as a girl in the future--here, I can say it without gatekeeping an entire genre and starting a freaking gender war.

First and foremost, why are we acting like visual novels are a limited resource that we need to fight men for, less they 'overtake' it with male MCs? If the target audience for the game grows to include more men, that just means more paying customers -> more different books. Or, more likely, they can make separate games that are targeted at men from the beginning, which you won't have to ever interact with if you don't want to.

When this conversation comes up, people always try to give some big ideological reason why RC has to be for girls. Usually they'll bring up how games (by which they always mean high-profile PC action FPS or RPG games) used to only have male protagonists, until finally Choices and RC (mobile romantic visual novels) came around, and I just have to laugh at that. These are obviously such different genres targeted at entirely separate audiences that barely intersect. RC did not solve the problem of female representation in gaming. That would be like saying that lack of female superheroes in 2010s Marvel is solved because female led romcoms exist. Come on now.

And the funniest thing is that the 'threat' of men overtaking RC is non-existent, really. RC will continue to make mostly female led stories, for the same reasons mainstream games in 2000s and 2010s continued to make male led ones--structural sexism and gender stereotypes. Games were 'for boys', so girls didn't play them and companies didn't market them to girls, reinforcing the cycle further. Now it's 'romance games are for girls', so that's who RC caters--and will continue to cater to--until men stop thinking that 'girly things are gay and cringe'. All you are doing by yelling at men to get out of 'women's spaces' is upholding this status quo. (Also I cannot with people calling a fandom or a hobby 'women's space', but that's a whole other story.)

The reality of how many people (not just men btw) are actually genuinely interested in reading a RC book with an MMC is clearly reflected in the fact that out of 47 books in RC, a total of 1 (one) has a male MC. And it didn't cause men to take over RC or the fandom to fall apart or whatever.

I've been in this fandom for a while, and I've only seen a handful of guys coming out to say that while they like the app already (otherwise they wouldn't be here, duh), they'd enjoy playing as dude once in a while. And no matter how nice they are about this, someone will always go 'Boo, this game isn't for you, go play Call of Duty!' and I just. What are we doing here. 

This is not the guy who mocked you for saying you'd like to play as a girl in the Witcher. Nor is it the guy who had a meltdown over there being 'too many women in video games'. Those types are not playing RC, never have and never will. They would not touch RC with a ten foot pole, because they are too afraid their dicks would fall off immediately from overexposure to the color pink.

When a person here comes out and says, 'I wish there were more contemporary books in RC because I like contemporary books', fantasy lovers in the comments respond with, 'Idk, I am kind of here for fantasy, I don't read contemporary books usually,' and that's the entire conversation. But replace 'contemporary books' with 'male MC books', and suddenly it's a Discourse (tm), and I'm so tired of it.

[tidal-graves]

“If E/riel isn’t endgame then why would SJM write such a hot scene between them?”

Because the general audience wants Azriel smut. That is literally it. I promise it does not matter who his love interest is, casual fans just want to read his sex scenes. This is blatantly obvious across the majority of the internet— people read these books for the spicy scenes and aren’t invested in particular ships like fans doing deep-dives are. It is literally the same thing as Lucien being hyper-sexualized in the beginning of WaR to build up to his eventual book (which regardless of who you ship everyone agrees he will eventually be a MMC). Last I checked, Lucien and Feyre don’t end up together despite her using him to make Tamlin jealous or even their flirting in TaR. I’m really not trying to be dismissive of these books for their story or anything, because I personally only started reading them because my sister said they were high-action and I’m clearly invested at this point, but I am most definitely an outlier when you look at how people interact with these books and the genre in general. Even the casual fans that say they ship E/riel only really focus on “wingspan” or how he’s probably a freak in bed.

[elainsgirl]

I tried to get myself to like gwyn and azriel but I just couldnt. Ill look at fanarts and stuff but I just cant SEE it.

I fear they would be boring. People call elain and azriel boring and cliche but be fr... thats literally gwyn and az. you can literally see how their story would develop. it would literally give feysand and nessian.... im tired of seeing the same stuff.

Hey anon 🫶

You’re so right. At one point, earlier on in the fandom, I too tried to get myself to see where gwynriels were coming from and what the appeal about Gwyn and Az were. It’s nothing special. There is nothing unique or interesting about Gwynriel.

I promise this is related to my poimt. Lately, there’s this discourse going on about the decline in individuality and quality of books. After 2020, people have started to notice that recent books are no longer as intricate as books once were. Every book within a genre feels the same. The plots, characters, dynamics, tropes etc - are all mirrors of each other. There isn’t individuality anymore when it comes to books within a set genre. Now, a genre that rlly increased in popularity was romantasy. Over the last few years, which trope has become increasingly more prominent? Enemies to lovers. Which fmc character type is more favoured? The sassy, “I can do it all”, powerful warrior who is the best at everything and is great at wielding a sword type. Almost every single book thats comes out will be advertised as enemies to lovers. The fmcs themselves have all become similar. Another point I would like to add in: when it comes to these sort of books, there will be lots of banter between the couple and the fmc always proving the mmc wrong - sometimes even challenging him. Aside from acotar: many of us are also readers who consume other genres and books/series. I think its fair enough to say, many of us consume all types of “popular” books. I can guarantee that many of us have read enemies to lovers books or even have it as a favourite trope. When you are constantly consuming a specific type of media, as a reader, you will want more of whatever you are consuming, limiting your mind to other possibilities. As an example, if you constantly are reading enemies to lovers books’ -> you won’t really like anything that is not enemies to lovers. Obviously, we all have our favourite genres and tropes we love to consume BUT we should always be open minded to try new things. Ok, slightly of course but back to my point:

Gwynriel fits in the checklist for your standard couple: in a fantasy, “enemies to lovers”, book. . Girlboss FMC that can do it all and shoves it to do the dark, broody MMC.

. “Banter”. The couple “challenging” each other

. MMC’s dark trauma and past that only the FMC can help him to heal

you get my point. People love gwynriel and it is so popular due to its lack of originality. They are such cardboard copies of a typical EtL book + we have literally gotten not much scenes on them -> it is so easy for their stans to self-insert and virtually put on any HC they want onto gwynriel.

Now compare that too elriel? There are not many “soft”, “feminine” fmcs. The recent one I can think of is “Evangeline Fox” from once upon a broken heart. So you already have Elain Archeron that stands out as an fmc from the norm - people aren’t used to her character type therefore view her as weak and boring. Elriel is far from enemies to lovers. They do not banter. They’re not the type of characters to draw attention to themselves or their relationship. Their dynamic is more mature instead of fun and childish. They have more dangerous stakes then anything gwynriel can have. Their story is more unique -> people aren’t used to that as it isn’t often potrayed in books anymore therefore they are disliked and people find them uninteresting.

Gwynriel is popular as it lacks originality. Elriel is hated due to their unique dynamic.

When I see gwynriel fanarts, the concept is lovely but knowing that Gwyn and Az don’t even like each other romantically and Az was ready to beg for another woman, it usually puts me off. I can’t view them as a couple since the books do not potray them as potential LIs.