#same w wwx but jc needs more ppl to talk about how he did NOT give consent to get his brothers golden core

[amood]

Jiang Cheng Rant

Jiang Cheng gives me so many feelings, mostly about how ppl tend to blame him sm for certain things. To anyone who says he should be grateful to Wei Wuxian for giving him his golden core, DNI!!! BECAUSE ITS NOT TRUE!!! Let me tell you!! If someone told you they were doing one thing to help you get a limb back, AND THEN THEY WENT AND DID SURGERY ON YOU WHILE YOU WERE ASLEEP W/O YOUR CONSENT, YOU'D BE UPSET TOO!! I'm not saying all of the actions Jiang Cheng took were okay, but any1 who argues w me about the Golden Core Transfer and about Jiang Cheng's feelings about it should fuck off TwT I DONT EVEN POST ON TUMBLR but this rant is a LONG time coming. I reposted a rant about how we 'defend antagonists and villains' when that's NOT TRUE (which, pop off man), AND I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT JIANG CHENG. Yes, I know he did wrong things, THEY ALL DID, but SO DID WEI WUXIAN. He's NOT perfect! None of them are! They all did bad things, and good things! That didn't mean that Wei Wuxian should've been treated the way he did, by his friends, family, and the cultivation world as a whole, BUT that doesn't mean he didn't do bad things. He should have NEVER gotten Wen Qing to operate on Jiang Cheng w/o his consent. Wei Wuxian Did Not give him the full story, and while he got BLANKET CONSENT to help get his Golden Core back, Wei Wuxian FUCKING KNEW that if he actually asked Jiang Cheng if they could do it that he'd say NO. Asking for forgiveness instead permission is ABSOLUTELY NOT okay in some situations! ESPECIALLY! When it comes to SURGERY and other medical operations!!

Anyways, I love Jiang Cheng. I do not support his wrongs but FUCK it's not fair that he didn't get a fucking say in the Golden Core transfer because IT WAS HIS BODY.

[plan-d-to-i]

That last post you reblogged reminded me of this chengxian thread fic I saw and... First of all, I'm going to be honest with you, I love wangxian and I can't see them with anyone else but they're not actually my biggest ship which means I'm not that invested in them. So, I really don't mind people shipping any of them with another character, to each their own. But what really annoyed me is that, just by reading that thread, they need to bash on lwj and make him super toxic and abusive for their ship to work. What's more, if I have to list what I found out in that fic is: bashing on lwj by making him toxic, wwx acting like a horrible fuckboi who takes advantage of his lil bro uwu, jc maid in distress that needs to be saved by wwx (he's also a Mary Sue who everyone loves), for some reason even lqr will have a soft spot for him and put him over his nephew, wwx being super obsessed with jc...

It's so delulu, it's so OOC. And I'm all for transformative work but it's when they need to bash in every way who's actually wwx's love interest when I find it gross (they joke a lot about him being a cuck and what's hypocrite is that they whine about jc bashing but they're the same? If at least they wouldn't do it, their complaints would be valid). The weird part is that they don't realize that says a lot about how their ship can't work otherwise. That they have to change a lot for it to be a thing and still they dare to call lwj cuckji and talk as if wwx is all about only jc 24/7 and how contradictory is that, if it was like that, they wouldn't need to change so much both the characters and plot)...

I agree.

Honestly mxtx did such a solid job w wangxian. The buildup is so airtight, the way it unfolds feels so natural and almost inevitable, that I too can't see them with anyone else. I don't care what other ppl do, but for me they're endgame always (& every other part of the game tbh).

Setting aside reading comprehension, inevitably what we come away with from the media we consume is influenced by who we are & how we see the world. Reading mdzs I would never call what jc feels towards WWX 'love'. The way jc behaves towards WWX is a toxic, possessive, obsessive form of 'caring', laced with envy & resentment that's the antithesis of love. It's a form of caring that's all about control & keeping scores & that's ultimately damaging to the person at its focus. Some people however are adamant that jc loved his former martial brother. Naturally those ppl tend to like jc and write fics where he fares better than he did in canon. I get what they're doing w the fics where jc behaves as he does and the characters around him are changed to be OOC, to see no problem w his behavior & still welcome him into their lives or push WWX to welcome him into his... But I truly can't wrap my mind around the fics like the one you described, where they twist other characters, whose affection in text is healthy & selfless, like Lan Zhan or WWX, to act similarly to how jc does in text, recognize the same behavior as wrong & abusive, & yet completely fail to do so when jiang cheng himself is the one doing it in canon....

[yibuo]

1. As a SA I agree with u that sex is something we dont discuss and we never even touch the topic until we think we're grown up to talk abt, even with friends. I love it when western ppl try to discuss and dissect asian content with their own values and upbringing. So I dont really think lwj or wei ying are asexual at all, the story in the novel starts at a tender age of 13 or 14 and most asian kids at that age are really kids, No 13 year I knew was confident abt dating at that young age.

2. But I disagree u on one think I loved the way the author wrote lan zhan, coz this boy has hidden away from any human emotion. He locked himself in the library or used to practice what he learned, he never even learned the art of simple conversation and suddenly him realising that he might have fallen in love must have made his life unstable. Him telling his brother that he might be in love just tells u how much wei ying affected him, he just didnt have the tools to express the need and love

3. Lwj was smitten and even wrote a song just for them, he wasnt confident enough and didnt know enough to make a move, when he did wei ying forgot and so lwj kept thinking he was reject but still stood with him. Lwj is basically the longing and wwx was disbelief. Wwx never believed he was worth anything, he might have gotten a house to call home but the way the lady of the house treated him made him have issues. Love wasnt the only thing which made him give his golden core to jc.

4. It was also the sense of duty that these ppl helped me now I have to sacrifice myself for them. Even with lwj he keeps thinking hes ruined lwjs white cloths everytime they end up fighting someone or thing. He felt guilty for his feelings coz he wasnt sure that he would be ever accepted anywhere. Wen for him became a mission coz he lived as a dirt poor kid, he knew how they felt.

5. So yep I dont think lwj or wwx were written badly it's just the cultural thing coming in abt relationships. I seriously am loving this writers another novel coz they write the relationship like normalised relationships. Couples are made when one person is persuaded by the other. Never have I seen both ppl fall in love at the same time. P.S. sorry for the rant, it just makes me angry when white ppl think that us asians live their kind of life style

hey! this is going under the cut because much food for thought. you made 2 valid points and i’ll reply to both. also please feel free to correct me if i’m wrong. this is just based on my experience as a south asian lgbt who had the luxury to grow up and figure out this whole sex and lgbt thing along with other (east & south) asian lgbt individuals. i’m definitely not opposed to criticism and it’s important that i be corrected should i have said something wrong !!!!! and tbh that might give me some priviledge because i know some asian individuals probably didn’t have the same type of support group that i did to help figure out sexuality things

western values and expectations being pushed onto asian media - i think it’s really funny how people from the west like to push their expectations of romance/relationships onto asian media. like asian parents, east or south, are very minimal about exposing us to sex ed and sex in media, and media itself is very minimal on showing sexual attraction between characters (straight or gay) and romance is limited to kissing and hugging (unless it’s after marriage...maybe). like sex is just viewed as a baby-making tool?? i had this convo with my 1st gen east-asian friends last night nd we all came to the conclusion that we grew up w the idea that “sex happens but it only happens to ur partner for the rest of ur life” kinda thing so it’s completely a culture shock to us when western media has high-schoolers having sex and being chill about it ?? i couldn’t even imagine. so yeah anyway. not asexual. no sex in the show doesn’t mean asexual.that’s just not how dramas work lol plus yeah lol why are people expecting teenagers to have sex like...???? that’s just not a thing in mainstream media btw i’m not saying that gay sex shouldn’t be in asian media- i’m just tryna say that sex in general isn’t prominent especially in asian media

also it’s really interesting a lot of people were like the western idea of gay relationships are “conservative” like i feel like the hypersexualization especially of gay men started from western culture (specifically cis white males, for ex, when they first started making clinics to target lgbt people, the clinics were modeled after cis white males, which ended up ostracizing other lgbt groups) lol (like have U Seen All The Gay Thirst Traps On TikTok Lol /s) i’ve seen a lot of my friends (asian and white alike) be negatively affected by these standards which are propogated by the hypersexualization of gay males

wangxian- for lwj i just wish they didn’t write that part where he was some angsty teen who had to blindfold kss his crush to get his point across...i think that part was just so weird because it kinda furthers the idea of “people forcing each other on other people is romantic” but like it really isn’t?? idk that’s just my 2 cents i feel like that’s common sense lol and then i think it’s weirder that he hides it and even weirder that at the end it’s just cool “like o u forced kissed me? i thought it was a girl or something but that’s cool whatever <3″ idk it was just weird and it didn’t sit well w/ me. i’ve just seen people close to me affected by this kind of stuff and romanticizing of noncon just doesn’t seem like a kink it’s just. weird. sorry i don’t know how to form sentences. otherwise i really liked the idea of lwj being someone who’s so far from romance and love and expressing emotion turning into someone who shows love and loyalty

tldr; asian mainstream media doesn’t really focus on sex (not sexuality but sex), kinky sexy times are ok but noncon isn’t, western ppl stop tryna take over the world pls