#samdean was just too good a ship i fear

[meatsochism]

why insest

hi anon!! i feel like u are assuming i seek out incest, rightfully so, i run a blog about an incest ship, but i actually dont gravitate towards it much... or at all.

so some context about my bg with incest shipping, just for you, anon. Wincest is the first incest ship ive actually liked from th many medias ive consumed that have had many a popular incest ship that i dont care about/actively ignore rhe presence of.

so why wincest? well. they so special... their relationship bleeds into every fiber of supernatural and it's hard to analyze the show without agknowledging the undertones, and accepting them. id say its less about the incest of it all and more about the relationship between sam and dean but that would be bullshit because it really wouldn be the same if they werent brothers. i guess they just clung onto my brain.

(honestly im way more into other weird shit. like priests. and cannibalism. thats stuff ive always been into. with this blog and fixation the ship just happens to be brothers.)

also the incest kinda deepens sam and dean's relationship. im into that

[realbeefman]

Angus loyal follower here I love your posts I actually started reading hilson fic because of you even though I’ve never seen the show and I never will because once I heard Hugh lauries voice in a fancam and it was so unsexy also they filmed a lot of b roll at my school anyway Seeing your destiel post was so surprising to me please tell me more about your spn opinions I’m so curious I love discourse <3

very long answer so i’ve hidden it under a readmore for the sanity of casual dash scrollers and people who dont care

first off his american voice or his british voice? this is kind of controversial and may seem wild considering i spend a solid chunk of time thinking about what house would be like during sex but i ACTUALLY find him deeply unattractive. i’d love to have his face and wear his skin but never in my life would i consider him a sexual being. he’s too british for it. the only way british people can be sexy is if they are women this is my most political belief on foreign policy. however i do think hugh laurie’s AMERICAN voice is actually very normal and makes him very endearing to me. hilson fic is awesome but honestly!!! most hilson fic for me just does not hit the same unless u can visualize the creepiness with which house looks at wilson. it’s genuinely sickening. he talks about wilson in the softest voice. so many of the most iconic lines in the show just dont HIT the same if u dont listen to the way they’re delivered.

that is SO cool that they shot b roll at ur school though!!! honestly seems like a dream. if i knew i had walked the same halls the house film team had i think i would die. the camerawork on that show is just fucking PHENOMENAL. i could write entire essays fangirling over how they shoot certain scenes but i fear that would be chronically desperately boring

oh man my supernatural opinions… first off disclaimer i have not seen supernatural recently because i am a deeply paranoid individual and prone to delusions and when i first watched the show i genuinely convinced myself that the monsters were real so. i think my most controversial spn opinion would have to be that it’s a PSYCHOLOGICAL THREAT. have you ever met a normal supernatural fan? NOBODY HAS. BECAUSE THE SHOW DRIVES PEOPLE NUTS

other than that my opinions are pretty normal i thiunk. i actually dont have anything at all against destiel even though i am solidly on the wincestie side of fandom. i dont care for the ship and i think it sucks but OBJECTIVELY its a good ship and has strong canon support. i think my hatred comes because i have read SO many destiel fics and have yet to come across a genuinely good one that accurately portrays the characters. i dont understand why an objectively reasonable ship with strong canon support has created some of the middest fic ive ever read in my life. genuinely fascinating. it’s not even that the fic itself is not good or entertaining it just doesn’t feel anything like the actual canon dean and castiel! i have read like two genuinely entertaining destiel fics that felt realistic and BOTH were from authors who primarily write samdean so!!

other controversial spn opinions i have. the “chuck is god” stuff is by far the most entertaining late seasons retcon. objectively ridiculous but so goddamn amusing. i think season 8 and the leviathans was the peak of supernatural. by far the best season in my opinion. plotwise it was not the most believable but i strongly believe that what makes a story good is not it’s logical soundness nor it’s objective value but whether it is ENTERTAINING and COMPELLING and by god the leviathans were both of those things. what a season. also benny and dean were having sex. i loved castiel going insane. OH and i think endverse spn is overhyped both as an episode and in fanon! i did not understand what endverse referred to for so long because i couldnt comprehend that SO MANY PEOPLE could possibly by THAT fanatic over a very mid episode.

not a controversial opinion but rowena is hot. she should've been in every episode for this reason alone. last semester i set up an office meeting with my professor who looked JUST like her to shoot my shot and she literally died before the meeting could happen. i've always felt in my heart that these are related.

[milfsamwinchester]

i see a lot of wincest tumblr ppl talking about playthings, i've seen the ep but i didn't ship samdean at the time i watched it so i didn't watch it thru that lens, would you mind explaining why it's important to their relationship (or not, if i'm understanding everyone wrong)? if it's too much to ask then don't worry about it, thanks anyway!

i didn’t ship samdean at first so i didn’t pick up on anything either so i get u ! if you ever have time i recommend going back and rewatching w samdean goggles on bc it’s a really enjoyable experience ❤️❤️

here’s a breakdown of how one could interpret it as having incestuous undertones:

playthings closely follows the conventions of a piece of gothic literature. it’s very apparent in the darkened hallways, spooky dolls, weird siblings. one of the core features of gothic literature is that it engages w the taboo, w darker subjects so outside the accepted norms of society that they stir up fear and anxiety at the hint of them (i’m not saying irl incest good!! just that some themes can be interesting to explore in fiction, the same way it’s captivating to watch hannibal cook person after person without getting caught while having a name literally rhymed w CANNIBAL). incest specifically IS woven into the historical fabric of gothic literature.

playthings is a look at how secrets and generational trauma can play out in siblings, resulting in toxic codependency, and this episode really toes the line of “”normal siblings””, not that sam and dean have ever been anywhere close to normal. “antiquers”, “just look the type”, a scene where a drunk, giggly, fuckable-looking sam whines out “you’re bossy” and then we get these looks:

idk about you guys but they look close to kissing to me. this is followed by sam touching dean’s mouth and pulling dean’s face closer to his, and sam squirming on the bed w his ass out. you gotta watch it for the full experience. it’s GAY.

the next day we get this line:

sure. that carries no other implications AT ALL.

i’m not saying sam and dean were actually fucking this whole time, i’m saying supernatural is a dark show and they DECIDED to really toe that line in this episode and make us question if they would cross it. it’s all too easy to take one step over that line and ship samdean and explore those possibilities in fanon ❤️