#sam as the human-demon

[lambmotifz]

thinking about this scene and how 2009 dean is appalled at his future self’s actions (“you just shot a guy in cold blood.”)

also thinking about how in 2.09 croatoan dean was ready to shoot duane…and sam’s desperate “you might kill an innocent man, and you don’t even care! you don’t act like yourself anymore, dean.” and dean went to shoot duane and changed his mind at the last moment. which is a direct parallel to 2.03 bloodlust, when dean wanted to kill all the vampires, but because sam begged him not to, he didn’t

sam is canonically the only person who can pull dean away from identifying as a ruthless killer. 2014 dean lost his sam & fully gave in to his violent side

[finalgirlsamwinchester]

1.01, "Pilot" | Stephen Adly Guirgis, "The Last Days Of Judas Iscariot" " | 5.22, "Swan Song"

[starry-bi-sky]

I'm so annoyed. @kingcrow01 tumblr ate your ask about Danny's opinion on the League. tumblr i pressed 'save draft' why didn't you sAVE DRAFT.

ANyways I'm making a post instead. For everyone else, the ask was in summary:

What was Danny's opinion on the League now that he's left it? If he missed the familiarity of it, if he recognized the cult-like behavior inside it, and if he now detested his grandfather.

And to answer (again, grrr): It's complicated! We love complicated <3. Yeah, Danny does miss the familiarity of the League, it was still his home for the first ten years of his life and he has a lot of memories there. Plenty of good along with the bad, and while he's less homesick than he was when he was 10, it still hits him like a truck at random intervals.

Sam, Tucker, and Jazz are great, and he likes the Drs. Fentons enough that he's contemplated murdering Vlad for his meddling, but if he wants to eat the same food his mother used to make him and Damian, he has to do it himself and he can't get the taste right. No one knows arabic so he speaks it to himself because he doesn't want to forget his mother tongue, and he has a few books too. Frankly? He genuinely misses training.

Getting to use Sam's gym helps with his restlessness, same with training with Maddie, but he has no one on or above his level to go against other than his mother. And he only sees her twice a year at most. He knows that he's getting stagnant and he fucking despises it like a bad itch he can't scratch.

He feels conflicted about missing the League, however, since by now he recognizes the flaws and what was wrong with it, and he recognizes that it was cult-like. But even that is kinda, hrm, complicated? If this was a fic I would be able to go better into depth about what he has and hasn't unlearned because cult deprogramming is hard and Danny's doing most of this on his own.

Sam, Tucker, and Jazz have helped with the more obvious stuff: like the ecofascism, the disregard for human life, his emotional constipation; the more obvious stuff that shows in his behavior and personality. But none of them are professionals nor do they actually know the full extent of what Danny's life in the League was like. They only have snapshots since Danyal is very tight lipped about it. So they can only help with what they see themselves through Danny's behavior or word of mouth.

But in summary: He sees, for the most part, what's wrong with the League and disagrees with some of the stuff they do now. But he's very conflicted, and trying to dissect his feelings on the League confuses him. His protests about it whenever Sam and Tucker joke about it have at this point become mostly empty (altho it still causes him some discomfort), and its an inside joke between them three.

As for Ra's? Despises him. If only because Ra's wanted him to kill his little brother -- thinking about his motives with the League confuses Danny, cognitive dissonance and stuff, -- a lot of his hatred stems from "He wanted me to fight my baby brother to the death. I destroyed my relationship with Damian because of him, I had to fake my death and leave my home, and I will never meet my father or see my brother again because of him. Fuck that guy."

[bleue-flora]

Okay, sorry for random thought, but does anyone else find it interesting that Badboyhalo is a demon and yet is one of the characters with the most humanity?…

[sweet-radio]

I went to galaxy con on sunday!! here’s a photo dump of my cosplay and pics and such i got with the cast of hazbin/helluva!!

I did a Female Human Alastor (Based on the old lore when he died is why i did the bullet wound!)

(also face reveal ig? lol)

Also a little transition video i did on TT lol

[daddysboydean]

dean is super possessive of sam, but it’s like this: dean doesn’t care if sam fucks women sometimes. dean does too. sometimes you just want a taste, you know? but what dean will not allow is sam to fuck another dude. girls are one thing, it’s not cheating if sam is banging someone working with different material than dean. but guys? guys hit too close to home. sam can only have one cock, and that’s deans. cas, though…

s: what about cas?

d: what about cas?

s: we fuck him!

d: cas doesn’t count! obviously! 

s: why not? he’s a guy. he’s got a dick that isn’t yours.

d: he’s family, sam!

s: do you even hear yourself? 

d: c’mon, dude. you know what i meant.

s: yeah, i do, and it’s incredibly fucked up. 

d: yeah, well, fucked up ain’t anything new for us, is it? 

[manwiththemagic]

Rewatching spn and FIGHTING the urge to skip s9-10 because like.. other than humanstiel, gadreel and demon dean what even HAPPENS?? ugh.

S11's when the best antagonist comes back anyways !! (Hate Luci but fight me, he's a good villain.)

[s0fter-sin]

sometimes i think about how much of a waste it was to just have cas ignoring sam’s prayers in s6 instead of him actually not being able to hear him bc he was soulless and his prayers didn’t work

[shadystranger]

the switch from worry for sam to appealing.. oh he knows how to fuck him up so perfectly tailored for him

[scoobydoodean]

LUCIFER In there. I know, it's awful, but these horsemen are so demanding. So it was women and children first. I know what you must think of me, Sam. But I have to do this. I have to. You of all people should understand. SAM What's that supposed to mean? LUCIFER I was a son. A brother, like you, a younger brother, and I had an older brother who I loved. Idolized, in fact. And one day I went to him and I begged him to stand with me, and Michael—Michael turned on me. Called me a freak. A monster. And then he beat me down. All because I was different. Because I had a mind of my own. Tell me something, Sam. Any of this sound familiar?

Every single one of the things Lucifer says here is one of Sam's pitfalls and he is quoting all the way back to goddamn 1.10 "Asylum". Sam is hearing how his own projections and self-deceit sound in the mouth of thee literal devil.

The arrogance in believing one's older brother doesn't have a mind of his own ultimately because he dared to defy you.

Sam's earliest brushes with human sacrifice in the face of Dean's protests.

Sam's completely erroneous belief that Dean views him as a freak just for being "different".

Like Sam, Lucifer completely brushes aside his own behavior—his actual actions—to focus on Michael's lack of loyalty—how Michael betrayed him and refused to trust him (4.22 here or more succinctly here + Sam's revisions of his motivations for the demon blood arc in 5.05). What Lucifer was doing—capturing and corrupting human souls (4.21)—what drove Michael to stand against him—is not relevant in Lucifer's eyes.

All the blame for what Lucifer is doing right now falls on Michael. It's all Michael's fault. Lucifer has to do this (dig a mass grave—start the apocalypse) because Michael is a bad, disloyal older brother who didn't trust him enough. Lucifer is a poor tortured genius who didn't get the trust and love he deserved.

This entire conversation is an absolutely damning testament to the folly of Sam's self-deceit—how deeply dangerous and manipulative and even—fuck it—evil—Sam's tendency to refuse to own up to his own shit can be without him really realizing it. This conversation throws in Sam's face that refusing to confront himself and projecting on Dean instead and blaming Dean for all his choices is going to be his undoing if he doesn't stop. All of his most manipulative views are thrown back at him from the mouth of the literal devil—the deceiver—right after Lucifer just finished digging a mass grave that he dumped the bodies of a bunch of children inside... but it's not poor little Lucifer's fault, is it? It's Michael's, for being a meanie.

[androgynouspenguinexpert]

"Whatever are we going to do about this boredom of yours?"

[aliusfrater]

[finalgirlsamwinchester]

was meaning to write a serious and thoughtful meta on this shot as the show's first use of metatextual framing (a story within a story) linking its premise to the war movie as a genre (the show as a fascist gothic work) but yknow what. scratch all of that lmao. the only thought that matters is: the moment you really start thinking about the show as a reactionary post 9/11 power fantasy, you can't stop.

[goldenchips]

In Supernatural, what are sentient beings made of?

We know humans have souls, angels grace, nephilim both and monsters neither.

But let’s start off with some questions:

What are soulless humans, graceless angels? If a soulless human dies, do they reconnect with their soul wherever it went? Can a soul alone be a ghost or does it need the rest for that (if it does, how can it have a form in hell? Is it like angels in heaven having form without nessesarily having vessels?). Why do soulless humans tend to go evil along with needing less maintenance to stay alive, but graceless angels stay themselves just with more human-like needs?

Here’s how I see it:

When anybody doesn’t have a body/vessel, they look like either the last one they did have or like their favorite one or sometimes (when they’re in the physical world) like light (angels, human souls) or smoke (demons).

🧍Humans have three parts - their body, themselves and their soul to guide them. Their souls tell them what’s good/evil and lets them feel emotions. When they die they go to heaven or hell (decided by their actions in life) or stay on earth as ghosts (if they have something tethering them down) (remains of their body or an important object), humans get conserved in heaven, their souls get corrupted in hell and ghosts eventually go crazy then fade away. Human souls hold a lot of power and are very valuable and complex. Soulless humans can’t tell apart good and evil and don’t feel emotions. The maintenance required for their bodies is lessened (no need to eat or sleep). Humans can leave their bodies but need external help and ghosts can possess the bodies of others (just like demons).

😈 Demons have two parts - themselves and a corrupted soul (the corruption is the source of their powers) (their soul can be healed and they can regain some human traits), they need to use a vessel to talk to people. Demons can’t feel most emotions. Demon souls are bad and worthless and soul-eaters will eat the entire demon. When they die they go to the empty (I think a soul is the requirement to enter heaven or hell for an afterlife).

😇 Angels also have two parts - themselves and their grace. No soul so they don’t inherently know good/evil but they can learn. They need vessels to talk to most people (some can hear them). Their grace gives them their powers and keeps them alive without the need to maintain their vessels. Angels can feel emotions but aren’t supposed to (I think they get the capacity for emotions from their vessels). Graceless, angels need to eat, sleep etc. and can’t do anything a human can’t, changing bodies included. When an angel dies, it goes to the empty.

🪽Nephilim (half human, half angel/angel variant) have four parts - themselves, a body, a soul and grace. Soul lets them feel emotions and tell the difference between good and evil. Grace holds them together and gives them powers. They can’t leave their bodies. They get unstable without grace and cannot survive. When they die they either go to heaven/hell or to the empty, it’s controversial.

🌟 Gods have two to three parts - themselves, the thing that gives them their powers (god grace) and sometimes their body (some gods don’t need a physical form but can have one). The gods that need to have bodies also need to eat (I don’t know if they can die of hunger but they can definitely suffer) and probably sleep. The gods that don’t need bodies don’t have to maintain the ones that they use. If a god looses it’s powers it’s similar to a graceless angel. We don’t know what happens when they die but I’d guess the empty.

🦈 Leviathan have one part - the goo. It’s them. It can take any shape. They shapesift into anybody they touch (need for a genetic blueprint to make a body). They can all be part of a liquid and remain separate entities. They need to eat. They can’t feel most emotions. When they die, they get sent to purgatory and take everybody in their vicinity with them (no body left behind because they’re 1 part). When they die in purgatory they rot and flowers grow from their corpse.

🧟 Monsters have two parts - their bodies and themselves. Abilities vary but most need to at least eat. Their bodies have their powers built in. When they die, they get sent to purgatory (where they still have their powers) and when they die there they rot away.

🐺 Monsters that are derived from humans (vampires, werewolves, stuff like that) have two to three parts - themselves, their bodies and I think some have souls. Let me explain, I think that when a human gets turned into a monster, they keep their soul at first. They start out with a soul and can usually choose to keep their humanity (chance at a cure in some cases) or reject it and loose the ability to tell apart good and evil and to feel emotions (usually caused by the act of killing/eating someone for the first time - no chance to turn back into a human). Their powers get built into their bodies. I don’t know if monsters that were born have souls. Depending on a monsters environment, they can sometimes choose to be good or evil. The transformation is like a rebirth and they loose the ability to go to heaven/hell if they die a monster, they go to purgatory (powers kept) and if they die there, they rot away.

👻 Ghosts I think have two parts - themselves and their souls. When they exist for too long (time varies) they start to forget themselves and their form degrades and their powers get more violent. If their tether to the world is destroyed, they get sent to their afterlife (they burn if hell and shine if heaven as they go usually).

But what do we call the “themselves” part?

I will now try to answer my questions from earlier…

Q: What are soulless humans, graceless angels?

A: Soulless humans are like the monsters that used to be human, they lost their good/bad/emotions and have the ability to get their humanity back. Graceless angels are practically human, they’re humans that don’t need souls because their minds are wired differently (we know that from the mind reader who hears people’s thoughts that said Cas thinks in colours).

Q: If a soulless human dies, do they reconnect with their soul wherever it went?

A: I think yes, just like they reconnect when it’s the opposite, the soul getting brought back from heaven/hell/a jar/anywere.

Q: Can a soul alone be a ghost or does it need the rest for that (if it does, how can it have a form in hell? Is it like angels in heaven having form without nessesarily having vessels?).

A: A soul alone can’t be a ghost, it’s shapeless energy. A ghost needs themselves to keep their form and thoughts and memories. As for the forms in heaven/hell, I think that everybody who doesn’t have a body in heaven or hell just looks like their last/favorite vessel. Sam’s soul (even if just a part of him) looked like Sam because that’s the form it was used to and anything’s possible in hell (vis. the various people describing how they were tortured). Humans seem to revert back to their basic form when out of their bodies (no injuries, whatever age they feel like). Part of the typical hell torture cycle is that they periodically revert you back to your basic form (before you were hurt) so they can start over, that’s why I think sam’s soul looked like Sam (also so we would recognize it).

Q: Why do soulless humans tend to go evil along with needing less maintenance to stay alive, but graceless angels stay themselves just with more human-like needs?

A: I think that humans get their ability to differentiate good and evil and feel emotions from their souls and angels get the ability to feel emotions from their vessels. Angels don’t have the big personality change because they already had to learn what’s good/evil on their own/ were told what’s what by their superiors. They’ve never been guided by a soul. Their grace gives them powers and protection but not guidance. Angels get way more human-like without grace because nothing is protecting their vessel anymore or them from it (the vessel has a bigger impact on the graceless angel).

Q: But what do we call the “themselves” part?

A: Idk but I’d love to hear your suggestions…

Anyways, thanks for reading my thoughts on this!

[lawboymagicshow]

03x03: Bad Day At Black Rock, Supernatural

[keen-eye]

fallen idols is so disheartening because it could've been the turning point for sam and dean's relationship. it's right after the end where 2014 dean tells 2009 dean to do things differently because he drove sam away and everything went to shit. and then in fallen idols, the very next episode, dean continues to treat sam the same way (to bobby about the apocalypse: "yeah well we all know whose fault that is"), although sam does tell dean that they have to do things differently because "before" is why things went wrong between them in the first place. dean still doesn't get it but he eventually comes around and admits that he also had a part to play in starting the apocalypse and that he should let sam grow up so that they can be equal partners. but the problem is that you could remove this episode entirely because the rest of the season isn't affected by it at all, except the last episode. and it's because dean couldn't let sammy go. dean deeply loved sam, but his love and concern were laced with mistrust and disrespect because he blamed sam for taking sammy away from him all those times while dean wasn't watching over him. and dean's conditional love is evident throughout the entire series.

if all of this + the fact that it's the 'paris hilton/gandhi beats up sam' episode doesn't sum up supernatural then i don't know what does