#and i mean even in the exerpts above dean is explicitly trying to sway sam away from the issue at hand with aspects that are important to
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aliusfrater · 3 months ago
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#based on the pov he takes in the episode mentioned in op's post‚ that's not what his motivations here are at all#especially considering he doesn't know that he unknowingly broke the first seal at this point‚ which is the aspect of hell#that could be considered that he was manipulated (by omission or lack therepf of information) into doing#dean's issue here is sam's own monstrosity and the implications of it re: relationship dynamic (and how ruby is representative of it)#it's echoed over and over throughout the season. the most encapsulating aspects being#in 4.21‚ “at least he dies human‚” and‚ “demon bitch is a dealbreaker. you kiss her goodbye‚ we can go right now.”#and i mean even in the exerpts above dean is explicitly trying to sway sam away from the issue at hand with aspects that are important to#sam's own motivations‚ rather than his own: 1) the fact that sam is able to save people and 2) sam's faith#there's also the aspect of sam's independence and why sam kept it from dean in the first place#(dean's reaction omce he does actually find out (detailed within 4.04) as well as the same reason sam kept what azazel did to him#from dean—“it's never been in the family like this.” 'it' being inclinations of monstrosity)#i mean dean definitely considers and acknowledges the manipulative potential of ruby upon sam#but he does so in the same way that canon itself characterises demons than in terms of any personal inclination#then immediately redirects it onto sam's beliefs and motivations#but like i get it. he's your guy so you're going to give him the benefit of the doubt lol#ludere
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