#saigealexis10

[poppyandzena]

What Zena & Poppy are hiding about their visit to Noehflake

Here is a Google document with the DMs between Poppy/Zena/Noehflake leading up to and after the December Trip Incident. Included are public Twitter threads (+more) that were posted in tandem with the DMs, providing as much context as I can to this situation.

I don't usually post trigger warnings, but I feel the need to here.

TRIGGER WARNING FOR GASLIGHTING, ABUSIVE INTERACTIONS AND MANIPULATION, PEOPLE IN DISTRESS, MENTIONS OF SUICIDE, MENTIONS OF RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT

Poppyamory 1: what Z&P are hiding about their visit to Noehflake

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[poppyandzena]

"I've been literally told that if I hadn't broken up with Amy and Poppy killed herself that it would be MY fault."

[poppyandzena]

Spawn 1: what Z&P are hiding about their kid

This isn't even the fullest extent of what Poppy's child has suffered.

TRIGGER WARNING FOR GASLIGHTING, GENERAL EMOTIONAL ABUSE, ABUSE OF A DEPENDENT, RESTRICTIVE EATING, NEGLECT, ABELISM.

[poppyandzena]

https://twitter.com/ZenaAndPoppy/status/1768891618654859721

How is this not blackmail???

They're going to do these streams anyway. Poppy wants to destroy Noeh, not get closure for what she thinks Noeh did to her. The bell has rung, Poppy. You got fired because your behavior was ruining the image of your clinic. There's no rescinding to be done. You're fired. Full stop.

What's going to happen is Poppy is going to proceed to doxx Dormiyu's legal name again as she and Zena minimize what they did and bring up as much "dirt" from Dormiyu as they can. They're going to invoke its mental health, its relationships, its opinions. Look, you can bring up as much Twitter shit, drama, and fighting as you can. It does not erase the fact that Poppy Diabolique was bigoted towards Dormiyu's asexuality and purposefully exposed her breasts to it as it was obviously unconsenting. You did that, Poppy. You cannot obfuscate that any longer.

I have the DMs of you treated Noeh like absolute shit and gaslighting her into thinking her escape of the relationship was a betrayal to you. No "litmus test" or lie about loving you makes it rape. She told you how indecisive and broken she felt. You trampled over her feelings. And when her alter had to step in, you berated Noeh for "Max" "opening his stupid mouth." You won't bother reading the document on stream because it'd take too much effort for you to come up with lies and excuses for every abusive DM you made at Noeh. But go ahead, I encourage you to.

You have the audacity to make demands when you have tried to take so much dignity from these people and failed, burning yourself in the process. You're bleeding out followers, losing friendships left and right, having your own child speak up about what you did, and you lost your job because you refuse to reflect and take accountability. I can't mind control your friends into distancing themselves from you. Noeh can't mind control your boss and friend of 20 years into firing you. It is all you.

[poppyandzena]

Hi saige. Saw you posted this trash:

4a. Chronic health conditions & mental illness can be debilitating, but you are responsible for managing them. Boundary setting, using tools to account for your disabilities is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Neither my ex nor the kid chose to do those things.

I’ll pay for you, Poppy & Zena’s one way ticket to start that island arc right now. Fuck the whole lot of you.

Poppy and Zena yanked those tools away from Spawn. Not even tools, NECESSITIES. I'm surprised by Spawns decorum in the face of it. I would not be as strong of will. PZ and Co have no excuse. They have the tools. They refuse to use them.

[poppyandzena]

Uhm. Saige. This is not setting expectations. That is all.

I have no tolerance for this type of behavior. The docs say more than anything I can say right now.

[poppyandzena]

"Trans woman here. Fuck having kids. Already did that once and it was way too much work." - Poppy Diabolique

[poppyandzena]

Page 11-14 of the doc on how Poppy and Zena abused their kid.

[poppyandzena]

Saige’s new tweet, calling GayFesh “basically a” KW’r is intentionally inflammatory. This type of phrasing: “basically a” allows the person to use intentionally inflammatory, bigoted, or evocative rhetoric that is DESIGNED to guide readers to have specific reactions. She is guiding readers to have the same feelings of that site toward GayFesh, while retaining the plausible deniability of making a comparison.

Watch and pay attention to how people use language to manipulate you. Not just her. This type of crap, and that same phrase is everywhere online. More and more I’m seeing people use extreme rhetoric whose extremity more matches the intensity of their emotions about the thing, than language that would accurately describe a thing.

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[poppyandzena]

Yeah, Saige is very done for me at this point. Her willingness to editorialize the narrative just to support her abusive partners is disgusting.

Saige. Read the doc. Actually read the doc. Your words make it clear you didn’t. Because everything you say is barely applicable to what Spawn went through.

“I exchanged harsher words with my ex-spouse on occasion.” Yeah, and I’m sure Zena and Poppy did too- sorry you can’t have voice recordings of everything. You think Poppy/Zena would admit to harsher? Or even fully recognize it? If I recall, your own partners admit to making Spawn cry on multiple occasions. They just paint the story as “oh they cry in such a way to make me disassociate. So manipulative.” Hmm, bo red flags? To blame their kid for being driven to tears from their actions? Alright. Sure, whatever you say, Saige.

“If drawing boundaries and setting expectations is abuse, idk how you function with others.” This is just proof you didn’t read the doc more than anything. If you think having narrow (less than 10 minutes in some cases) windows for bathroom, food making, JUST GETTING WATER is boundaries and expectations, then you are delusional. And, more importantly, If you think ‘the kid’ should have to follow expectations/boundaries, but Zena and Poppy shouldn’t have to (the document makes it clear they didn’t- they skipped on dishes/chores, took up the kitchen way longer then Spawn ever did, and more), please detail why for me. I’d love to hear THAT excuse.

“I suppose it was abusive to have to check in before making purchases that weren't already budgeted bc they kept spending our income on shit we couldn't afford.” No, that’s not abusive, and also proof you didn’t read the document either. There’s a huge difference between ‘the kid’ and your ex/you- the kid had their own bank account/job/trust fund. That was only their money. Not Poppy’s. Not Zena’s. Your ex and you? Joint money, most likely. If Spawn was on their bank account/using Poppy/Zena’s money to buy things? Yes, completely reasonable to monitor and discuss buying things. The kid’s own money? No, Poppy/Zena had literally 0 rights to control that. You would tell a 18 year old that if their parents are trying to control their kids spending- you’d say “fuck them” I bet- you should in most cases. Why not Poppy/Zena’s kid? Literally just because it’s Poppy/Zena? The only way you could argue this point at all is if you could prove, actually prove, that the kid spent enough that it affected Zena/Poppy (by forcing them to cover for rent, utilities, food, something on Spawn’s behalf).

"Saige Alexis was an abusive spouse bc fae asked her spouse to do things for themself & not constantly expect faer to do everything for them” Saige. Just scroll through until you find Spawn’s chore list for one day. You articulate to me what is POSSIBLY left for Zena/Poppy to do. Spawn did everything FOR Poppy/Zena. Your precious partners are the ones that could afford to do more for their kid WITH A LITERAL, DIAGNOSED HEART CONDITION

I notice a distinct lack of mention of internet restriction. So just because they have physical and mental disabilities, Poppy and Zena had a right to completely restrict internet access? Restrict Spawn from friends and support systems? Reminder- Spawn is an adult that was paying bills too- paying for that internet. But they were still allowed to be punished and have it taken away completely? I have a feeling you and your ex spouse never turned off the internet for each other. “Oh but Spawn had a hot spot.” 10gb. That’s literally nothing. If it was enough to do anything? Spawn wouldn’t have had to go to the library for job applications. So please, give me an excuse for this one this time. Love to hear it.

Just… Saige, either actually read the document, or stay in your fucking lane. You talk a big game about not being believed on your abuse and experiences yourself, but when there’s an abuse victim that’s right there, right in from you, basically begging to be believed- you continue to just blindly believe your partners. You’re no better than everyone you have villianized for not believing you.

You don’t deserve awful shit to happen to you as you are a fellow human being. But you don’t deserve to put victims names into your mouth and minimize their stories just to try and validate your path and make yourself feel good about your life choices.

Read and actually learn or go away, Saige. Live in denial about your choices, or bother to learn your partners may not be these perfect, do no wrong people they try to pretend to be.

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[poppyandzena]

The Ruadhan situation is thusly:

Ruadhan has a long history of being ableist, aphobic and pluralphobic. He's been banned from multiple communities in the past for this, and especially now with the Poppy situation. Because of his deleterious behaviors, Z&P have decided they can go even further in retaliation. Here's the breakdown.

Ruadhan believes he had met Poppy IRL some years ago at a queer nightclub, so he feels that Poppy is a danger to his local queer community. Ruadhan saw the city Poppy had listed on her GFM and put his city vs her city into Google Maps to demonstrate that she's definitely close enough to threaten his local scene. Poppy took this to mean he was "trying to find her house on stream" which is not how Google Maps works, you don't get that from a city name.

That being said, posting "she lives between 15 and 35 minutes of me depending on traffic satellite data" looks incredibly bad, and many people saw it as sufficient enough to remove him from further communities. But Z&P aren't satisfied with that, and are now telling their audience to report Ruadhan's Patreon and Ko-fi.

Ruadhan is a homeless trans man in Michigan living week to week in a motel with two cats while waiting on Section 8 approval. Losing his revenue streams could very easily get him back on the street, in the dead of winter. He believes they are trying to murder him. Saige responded to this concern with the "oh no, anyway" gif and the Z&P account retweeted it. https://twitter.com/SaigeAlexis10/status/1751865707837407549

Ruadhan is definitely engaging in deleterious behaviors and should be warned off and removed from communities where he has been engaging in these deleterious behaviors, but to go after a homeless man's finances in the dead of winter and to respond to accusations of attempted murder with "who cares" demonstrates an escalation of threat from Z&P beyond anything I have seen to date.

Thank you, anon. This is a wonderful breakdown. I know that some members of PZ's sever were trying to find the hotel he was staying at, which is... uncomfortable at best. Unless he is making an actionable threat, finding out the hotel he lives in is as unnecessary as him googling how close he lives to PZ. His involvement in this situation is unhelpful and potentially dangerous. I do not condone it.

[poppyandzena]

I’m guessing as a result of the constant tweeting and harassment, the @zenaandpoppy and @saigealexis10 accounts have been search suggestion and search banned

https://shadowban.yuzurisa.com/Zenaandpoppy

https://shadowban.yuzurisa.com/Saigealexis10

I'm not quite sure how Twitter shadowbanning works, but I do know Poppy's accounts were shadowbanned in some way a long time ago too.