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What Zena & Poppy are hiding about their visit to Noehflake
Here is a Google document with the DMs between Poppy/Zena/Noehflake leading up to and after the December Trip Incident. Included are public Twitter threads (+more) that were posted in tandem with the DMs, providing as much context as I can to this situation.
I don't usually post trigger warnings, but I feel the need to here.
TRIGGER WARNING FOR GASLIGHTING, ABUSIVE INTERACTIONS AND MANIPULATION, PEOPLE IN DISTRESS, MENTIONS OF SUICIDE, MENTIONS OF RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT
Poppyamory 1: what Z&P are hiding about their visit to Noehflake
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#poppy#poppy and zena#zena and poppy#poppy diabolique#ladydiabolique#poppy & zena#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#zena#nf#noehflake#saigealexisyt#saigealexis10
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I know I shouldn't be reading the Poppy and Zena vs Noehflake drama tabloids people have been maintaining here, cause it's a bunch of Internet toxicity that does absolutely nothing for my mental health (same thing with the Lily Orchard bullshit), but it's definitely a train wreck effect. Gossip, drama, shitty behavior. It's all gross and I shouldn't be paying attention to it. But drama is a drug.
That being said, having read the Poppyamory documents put up by @poppyandzena I have some thoughts. This is all speculation because I can't read people's minds. I can never know what's actually going on inside someone's head or personal life. I can only guess.
Poppy engages in a rather odd combination of covert and overt abuse. It's very strange to read about. She whines and complains about all the emotions she has in hopes that she'll guilt trip her partners into coddling her and capitulating to her whims, and when that doesn't work she turns into a raging bitch.
Poppy does not want partners. She does not want polyamory.
What she wants is a harem of mommies and nurses and therapists she can vomit emotions all over and fuck. People she can control and use to boost her own ego.
Or maybe even more simply, she wants more Zenas. One isn't enough to satisfy her hunger for power and sex. I can only imagine how long it took her to mild Zena into the perfect enabler, but apparently she thinks that because she did it once, she can just keep doing it.
Is Zena completely innocent in this? Absolutely not. They're manipulative and cruel and as much of a self center prick as Poppy is. But given the lengths they go to micromanage Poppy' so-called partners (aka victims) so that they'll comply with Poppy's abhorrent behavior, I can't help but feel like Zena is always on a knife's edge. They act responsible for Poppy's entire life. They're like a helicopter parent that tells the teachers they're not allowed to give their child a bad grade because their child can't handle anything but praise and worship every moment of every day. But they're behaving that way for their supposed partner. Someone who is like twice their age by the way.
This behavior is not normal.
It gives very "when I say don't worry about me I mean worry about me" vibes.
Unless it's casual, a relationship should be a partnership. Something you share. Not something one party is forced into to bend to the will of another person for...what, not being alone? Self worth?
Being alone is better than being someone's emotional footstool. Don't date people online unless it's temporary until you can meet them for your first actual date. Go outside and meet people in real life. And know you deserve to be happy as long as it's not at the expense of someone else.
#toxic behavior#toxic relationship#toxic people#toxic love#poppy and zena#poppy diabolique#noehflake
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Kriese - Master Post
For legal purposes, all testimonies and commentary on this page or any of the documents linked from it are allegations. The screenshots, however, are evidence. Any edits will be very obvious and for the purpose of respecting confidentiality.
Hey yall. I'm Kriese (aka Keira, aka 4 Pings: explanation of that one here). I am a former friend of Poppy and Zena's going back to Spring 2021, and I was an Archon (Moderator) of The Foundation starting around Fall 2021. I would not say I was their closest friend; but we shared secrets and they trusted me. I trusted them, too.
A lot happened in between then and now, and I have shared some of that publicly since coming out against them. I have decided to update my previous master post in order to change it from just listing the published documents to instead be a cataloging of what I feel are important or relevant statements, either here on Tumblr or on Twitter. A lot has happened very quickly in the past several months, and it is not all organized.
I do however recommend yall go check out Milena's Poppy and Zena: Abusive Hypocrites Hub Doc. In it are links to all of the already published docs, including Abusive Hypocrites 2.
Below here will be links to and descriptions of what I consider to be semi-important to important statements I've personally made publicly. They're not in any specific order (at the moment; I may go back later and reconsider).
When GayFesh Said People Privately Reached Out to Him, One of Those was Me. I discreetly talked to Fesh once while still in The Foundation. It occurred the night after he made his original public callout post on Twitter. We asked each other to keep our conversation a secret. I wanted his perspective on a few things. We didn't speak again until after I left The Foundation.
I Will Never Again Publicly Talk About RGR. Here's Why.
My First Signed Anonymous Ask to Heloise. This was done in response to Poppy posting my private DMs between myself and her after she dropped into my DMs while I was working.
Followup to That First anonymous Ask Much Later as Myself. In this I better explain what was going on around that time, why I believe Poppy reached out to me, and why I reacted the way I did.
A Signed Anonymous Ask to Heloise Calling Out Poppy Continually Using Spawn's Preferred Name. I was frustrated with Poppy not protecting peoples' identities when she herself should understand what it meant to be doxxed. This was an expression of that feeling.
I Discuss Not Wanting to Take Away What The Foundation has Meant to Others. As it became clear I would be speaking out in the future, I wanted it to be clear that just because I had issues with Zena and Poppy that should not take away from what support and community others had found there. Consider it a time capsule of my feelings and beliefs at that time.
My Offer to Talk to Anyone on Discord. Poppy initially vaguetweeted about me reaching out to Chem and Naomi, which prompted me to send Heloise this signed anonymous ask. Poppy decided to just called me out directly on Twitter afterwards. For what it's worth, I never spoke to Chem, and my interaction with Naomi was just sharing the Spawn 1 doc.
Discussion of What Lead to Me Leaving The Foundation. I sent this as a signed anonymous ask to Heloise in preparation of Luxander's stream and the publication of Abusive Hypocrites 2.
I Reiterate I Never Wanted Poppy to Lose Her Job. This is why I had my final fight in Archon.
About How I Connected With Milena After Leaving The Foundation. This signed anonymous ask was sent after Luxander's stream and Abusive Hypocrites 2 was published. I wanted to provide context for my contribution to the doc and me going public.
My Explanation of the 4 Pings Meme Poppy Made About Me. On March 22nd, Poppy created a bunch of memes about a statement I made during my final argument in Archon chat before leaving The Foundation. This is my explanation of it.
About Patchwork Heart and His Response on Stream. I had watched the VoD of the Cope and Seethe stream he went on, and I wanted to be charitable in how Patchwork Heart reacted to reading the docs (especially the stuff about Spawn).
Further Request to Give Patchwork Heart Space He Needs. I made this as a pseudo follow-up statement to the post above.
Saige Accuses Me of "Turning" Patchwork Heart with a $25 Ki-Fi Donation. This one bothered me a lot, and I responded on both Twitter and Tumblr. The Twitter posts are included within the Tumblr blog.
My Identity. This is where I revealed that I was the one running this Tumblr blog. I have not revealed the reason before, but it was due to Annie discovering my blog and thinking I was a Milena sock-puppet account. I decided that it was better to come clean about who I was rather than let that be assumed to be the truth.
I Disavow and Don't Support KF.
My Commentary on The Alt-Right Playbook. And how it pertains to this situation.
Poppy Heaps Praise on a Twitter Follower for Harassing Noehflake. So much for just wanting people to block her. I believe that is still the party line.
Discussion of Poppy's Behavior Pertaining to Control / Sex From My Perspective and Where Something Changed. This was due to an anonymous ask I received at the time.
When Did Poppy Start Getting Obsessed with Porn/NSFW Art? I provide my perspective of when I noticed the shift.
Succubi Want Consent. Why? In retrospect, it appears I might have been just mixing up the tweet thread I had caught with a previous discussion on stream as I never could find a stream segment. Well, the referenced tweet is included.
I Did Believe Poppy for Weeks About Her SA Allegations. I only changed my mind when evidence was presented about both the timeline of events and what had happened in private.
The Line Between Friend and Moderator is Fine on The Foundation. I chime in to discuss how moderators are selected by Poppy and Zena, and who was being shared the timeline of events of the Courtney Orchard / KP situation back in September 2023.
Is It a Conflict of Interest to Be a Friend and a Moderator at the Same Time? I do my best to answer the question here. It's complicated.
Timeline of Poppy and Zena Instituting a "Conflict of Interest" Moderator Rule and Sharing CO/KP Timeline of Events; Poppy and Zena Safety Report Published by KP Moderation Team. Both of these are relevant topics to stuff that happened in Fall 2023 with Poppy and Zena, Courtney Orchard, and ILoveKimPossibleALot. I was not kept particularly informed of the day-to-day details myself at the time.
I Discuss The System Reorganization of The Gentry to L'Enfants Diabolique and How Penny Changed. No, I'm not talking about Penny the OC. I'm talking about Penny the headmate.
I Give a Good-Faith Response to AnnieGal. It was clear she was not engaging in good faith with me (she later admits as much), but I did my best to engage in good faith with what she gave me. I wanted to show I am who I always was.
A Response to Night Wyld. I waited over a month to make any public statement outside of some comments on Malcolm's Poppyverse discord, and I only did so because Night Wyld publicly attacked me again on their Tumblr. The contents within finally forced me to decide to make a public statement. As their Tumblr has been suspended and Annie has taken down her reblog of the post, the evidence is currently not on this site. I still have it (as do other places).
Cross-Post From Twitter About Wiping Messages on The Foundation Before I Left and Why. I did not wipe everything, but I wiped a lot. I felt it was important people know I chose to do so.
My Recommendations for How to Behave When it Comes to Rhetoric. It's clear not everyone agrees with what I said, but I stand by it.
An Apology to Saige for Never Reaching Out. I should have done so much, much sooner.
What's The Play Here? This isn't particularly important, but I'm putting it here for two reasons. One: I did send a private message to Poppy wishing her a Happy Birthday; Two: Poppy revealed that I had sent her a Cease and Desist, and that is true.
Night Wyld Has Left The Foundation. I will let his words and apology speak for themselves. From what I can tell, Night put a lot of effort into the video, and I recommend everyone watch it. For my part, I forgive him.
If something is not here, it's still in the archives. Nothing is deleted.
Take care all,
Kriese, aka Keira
#poppy diabolique#poppy and zena#ladydiabolique#poppy & zena#poppy#zena#zena and poppy#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#kriese#milena#spawn#anniegal#night wyld#saige#nf#noehflake#bethel-rath#gayfesh
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People are actually denying that Goddamit Malcom is transmed
I found him calling queer people "sex pests" and him stating he knows Kalvin Garrah enough to know about his T levels, these are within the first few posts on his account. The dude is as "pickme" as you can get. Stop coping.
#goddamnit malcom#mzmilena#transpersian#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#zena and poppy#poppy diabolique#heyleigh fletcher#Noehflake#Milena Harirsaz
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I'm going to be talking about the P&Z stuff on stream today. I am digging further into everything. There seems to be some sort of thought that I'm on a "side", which isn't the case. There's no hate campaign that I've joined, nothing like it. I just want the truth and for people to stop being hurt.
I'll probably go over the Luxander video, cause I want as many perspectives and as much information as possible.
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Hi, new to tumblr. I have liked Poppy and Zena for a couple years now. I watched them pretty regularly; agreed with some of their takes, didn't really comment with others, but that's ok. Their streams were frequently informative, entertaining and dramarific- 3 things I always love.
Over the past 6 months+ my opinions been changing. The constant talking about their poly relationships was weird. There was a lot of drama, and then I read Milena's (who I didn't/don't know) and it really left a bad taste in my mouth.
And then the falling out with Courtney was just....it was so apparent that they were not in the right but were trying to focus on essentially inconsequential things (like Courney "threatening to dox Poppy" or "threatening to beat up Poppy", etc.) to completely try and pivot people's attention away from why Courtney got mad in the first place. And come on- Courney always struck me as a bit country and country girls talk like that. They weren't serious, intentional threats; they were things said in anger to try and get Poppy to not share any of the photos CO had sent her without CO's permission. This seems so clear to me.
One thing- the biggest thing- that really started to bother me with some of these dramas is that, somehow, whenever P&Z had a falling out with someone, it was never, EVER their fault. I'm fact, it was always 100% always the other party's fault and they refused to ever even attempt to take *any* responsibility for anything. And life....just rarely, if ever, works like that.
The other things that bugs me were the constant bitching about "ZZ erasure" as if this is some inexplicable, grave injustice. Now, I will say that I still kind of like Zena (Poppy too, even tho the criticisms are mounting), but this is such a load of shit. It's very, very obvious: the two of them co-host the channel. Poppy does like 90% of the talking, she's more lively and loud and seemingly extroverted than Zena. Zena just comes across as kind of introverted and more quiet, even a bit detached sometimes. You can't do that and then expect people to react to you the same way they they react to your loud, confident partner who takes the lead every time they post.
The last thing is I did follow Poppy and Noelle's relationship on Twitter, and it seemed super intense, super quickly. But ok, whatever. It happens. I saw the mention of Poppy having a convo with a friend who said that it sounded like rape, but Poppy said that the pov was interesting enough to share it on Twitter, but she didn't quite believe it. Then I saw her move from that position to full-on embracing that it was SA. How? Because the other party wasn't sure if she wanted to continue the relationship at the time? That's not sexual assault, buttercup.
Also, I seem to have just read here that Noelle (noehflake) is 20 years old. 20?! I thought they were in their 30s at least! Can anyone corroborate this? Then I saw some weird context-less announcements on the Discord server about how anyone who questions whether or not this was SA was out of the community. Whaa?
Anyway, thanks for having me an- again- I'm new to Tumbr. Please feel free to tell me anything I'm doing wrong.
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Here's some assorted screenshots from Poppy's latest Twitter meltdown over her partner breaking up with her.
Poppy she probably blocked you because you are acting like a teenager and vague posting about her, which is annoying as fuck.
Poppy continually calling out and harassing her e,x on Twitter. This woman is 42 and she's acting like a child.
Also Poppy references when she publicly pressured noehflake into breaking up with her partner and Poppy's acting like it was a good thing.
Poppy: I am alone.
Zena: 😐
It would be easier to feel bad for Poppy if she wasn't harassing her ex on three different accounts. Poppy is mad at noehflake for breaking it off because things got too hard?
I can't blame her, considering the fact that Poppy is the type of person that uses her mental illness to excuse her terrible behavior. Poppy doesn't actually work on her issues. She just puts the burden on everyone else to deal with. If someone doesn't want to deal with her shitty behavior then it's their fault, not Poppy's. If that is what actually caused the break up then it's not surprising at all.
I'm sure the people calling you out aren't contributing to you feeling bad about yourself.
Also please get a therapist.
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"I've been literally told that if I hadn't broken up with Amy and Poppy killed herself that it would be MY fault."
#poppy#poppy and zena#zena and poppy#poppy diabolique#ladydiabolique#poppy & zena#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#zena#nf#noehflake#saigealexisyt#saigealexis10
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I am looking forward to this information myself.
You can't change someone who doesn't wanna change. Poppy allowed someone who depended on her, the only parent they've known since their mom died, to be abused and mistreated. I understand you think you can help her, but Poppy needs psychological help and to be untethered from Zena. And if you really wanna separate from the Poppy critical side for your mental health, I guarantee being with Poppy is just as detrimental. Best to just cut off all things Poppy, neg or pos.
I'm... not going to address this just yet. My mental health has been suffering, but not for the reasons that you think.
Poppy and I's relationship has reached a point where she says I need to speak up publicly against the people responsible for this nightmare going this far, and honestly... she's right.
And before everyone takes that in the worst possible way, please: give me the chance to speak for myself. Don't fill in the unknowns with your worst assumptions; I'll be speaking more on that soon.
Very soon.
Keep your eyes on this space. I'll be back and not in the way that many may expect. Probably in a way that some have been waiting to be proven right about all along.
But that's their business. I'll continue to follow my own path.
My path is the truth. It must adapt to any new information that comes to light, and new information has come to light for me.
New information about Hayleigh, and Spawn.
And I'll share it very, very soon.
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So yesterday that Annie person from the P&Z circle @pleasetiemyshoelaces talked about a couple of times decided to have an absolute conniption over a post I made x number of months ago speculating over Poppy's behavior. She reblogged every reblog acting like they were made at different times, like this was an ongoing thing I'd been talking about repeatedly, and not that I'd reblogged it all in one day cause I was too lazy to edit the first post.
She called me a men's rights activist and had a "history of r#pe apologia" because I posted about this exactly once, because I believe @noehflake , and because I called Poppy a bitch. Mhmm yeah. Okay. Totally not coping over the fact that she's too much of a coward to actually confront any of the people who actually talk about this stuff on a regular basis. Annie, sweetie, this is a vent blog. This is not a critical blog. I don't have any kind of platform. There is no mission here. I'm not trying to take anyone down or harass anyone. This is where I occasionally come to complain. That's it.
For the people in the back. Noehflake is not a r#pist. Here's what happened according to the (actual) evidence (read the Poppyamory documents and the Luxander video on it for the receipts and watch the Victor Burns interview for Noeh's side of it. We already know Poppy's side cause she hasn't shut up about it): Noehflake broke up with Poppy for being a terrible partner. Poppy harassed her and badgered her and complained on Twitter about it. Zena gaslit and badgered and manipulated Noehflake into letting the trip they'd been planning on happen anyway and Poppy asked Noehflake to pretend like they weren't broken up. They met at the hotel and had sex because Poppy wanted to and Noehflake wanted to make her happy (that's a thing that ace people do, believe it or not). Then the next morning Noehflake decided she still didn't want to continue the relationship, in no small part because Poppy and Zena were screaming at each other, so she wanted to leave. Poppy tried to physically prevent her from leaving (which is a crime, by the way) and asked if Noehflake had just had sex with her to "test to see if she loved her" (which is absolutely nuts to think). Noehflake was tired of this bullshit and said yes just to get Poppy to get the hell out of the way, and Poppy was shocked enough to let her go (seriously, if someone were barring you from leaving, wouldn't you say anything to get them to let you go?). Then when Poppy kept badgering Noehflake to get back together, Noehflake admitted to lying about using the sex as a test and in truth had agreed to the sex because of feeling conflicted and wanting to make Poppy happy. Poppy took the single part of the lie and ran with it, deciding to paint Noehflake as a r#pist because she just couldn't let it go that she got dumped.
She also kept messaging Noehflake after this, and tried to friend her on Facebook.
Having sex with your ex to make them happy and then deciding not to continue the relationship is not r#pe. If anything, it's a pity fuck. And Poppy is too much of an egomaniac to accept the fact she was given a pity fuck and then re-dumped. That's what the evidence says.
I believe Noehflake's story because it has stayed consistent this entire time. Poppy's story has changed several times rapidly. And we have receipts.
I complain because this is all a bunch of soap opera bullshit and I wouldn't care if it wasn't being perpetuated people with a platform and influence over vulnerable people. If this were being done by a politician or non-internet celebrity I'm pretty sure people would be just as interested at seeing it put to an end. I'm certainly not going to do it. Other people have decided to do that. But I will complain about it. I'm allowed to. But only sometimes.
So go whine about it to someone who actually matters in this fight. You won't get anywhere whining about me, cause I don't matter. I'm a little nobody. And that's how I like it.
#poppy diabolique#poppy & zena#zena and poppy#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#poppy#toxic people#toxic behavior#venting
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I recommend everyone check Luxander's tweet thread that I was replying to for full context. I will not include it here.
Tweet Transcript:
Kriese: I've been trying so, so hard to stay quiet the last few days, but I need to point out something: GayFesh only caught some of the praise and signal boosting that follower got after harassing Noehflake. There's more.
This is not telling followers to "ignore/block" Noehflake. This is *rewarding* one for jumping into her replies with a massive amount of attention. Also, to be clear: NO ONE go bother the person in these screenshots. They do not deserve any harassment. I would have blacked out their name, but I kind of had to show it in all to make the point they were the same person.
#kriese#gayfesh#nf#noehflake#poppy diabolique#ladydiabolique#poppy and zena#poppy & zena#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#zena and poppy
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Noehflake's New Friend Defends Hurtcore Distributor Dom Lucre
https://archive.is/3OWH7 Noehflake's Nazi friend somehow manages to make Mr Girl look like a decent human being, by leaping to the defense of Dom Lucre, a conservative commentator who posted a censored version of Daisy's Destruction to Twitter. Note: Daisy's Destruction is an infamous CSAM video of a nine month old infant being abused, and is considered so horrific that before its creator was arrested, it was thought to be a creepypasta. Now, Mr Girl is a complete fucking creep for a number of unrelated reasons, but he had the appropriate response to this. That is, to rightfully condemn anyone who willingly defends Dom Lucre. Noehflake's Nazi friend is displeased with Mr Girl condemning hurtcore distribution, and brings up valid accusations against Mr Girl, but does so in an attempt to launder the reputation of someone distributing child snuff porn. Milena, I fucking warned you, and you didn't fucking listen to me. Do not even try to weasel your way out of this. THIS is the people that are emboldened by your harassment campaign, and I hope you have enough of a soul left to feel sickened by it. Update: After looking into this, the Mr Girl tweet was not in reference to Dom Lucre uploading Hurtcore, as he didn't post that clip until a week later on the 22nd. This was instead about a video about Adam22 and his wife Lena the Plug uploaded their daughter breastfeeding to their porn TikTok "Plug talk." Which Lucre also shared despite condemning it, much like what he later did with DD. In other words, Noehflake's Nazi friend still defending the sexualization of a child. It's still fucking gross, though not as bad as I initially thought.
#zena and poppy#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#mzmilena#transpersian#noehflake#Heyleigh Fletcher#Milena Harirsaz#poppy Diabolique
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"Which is why I'm not doxing my rapist since I'm not the only victim."
How do I even respond to this? The fact that there are more victims is literally an argument in favor of doxxing your rapist. This is literally some dumb ass "standing up to your abuser makes you just as bad" bullshit, that people normally only say to protect abusers. Wow, so brave of Ashley to condemn an act which could protect future victims from the same rapist that abused her. It's one thing to not do so out of an act of self preservation, but to actively condemn others trying to protect people like your rapist-bootlicking ass? This is beyond pathetic. Also, I saw how often you pall around with Ari, who throws around doxx threats like there's no tomorrow.
This is why NW shouldn't be involved at all. NW still takes Noah's response out of context. Also NW condones doxing which is illegal beyond a reasonable doubt. Honestly noeh never raped poppy and it was never proven cause noeh wasn't arrested or charged. The fact that NW needs serious help and doesn't understand that mental health facilities aren't run by the government. NW you condone doxing and imagine if there were more victims than poppy would you still dox noeh cause the answer is NO. Which is why I'm not doxing my rapist since I'm not the only victim. Take my advice NW and stop following a community that's an echo chamber and stop condoning doxing.
#poppy and zena#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#rape apologia#rape culture#Night Wyld#abuse apologia#Noehflake#Heyleigh Fletcher#Least rape apologetic Noehflake defender
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Ya between that last anon, and the “Is Saige dead?” account on twitter I smell some gay ops. Poppy and the gang are hyper paranoid about “cointelpro”, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re up to something.
Yeah, that Twitter account is fucking sick. It wasn’t titled that when Noehflake followed it, either; someone did a bait and switch.
Not holding the PZ crew responsible or anything, but some fucky shit is going on and we’re keeping our heads down.
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Ya know poppy you are a walking contradiction. Honestly you say that spawn isn't your son but you say they are your kid. Yet you go on this rant which you are lying rn cause you keep downplaying Spawn's feelings and what you and zena put them through which is abuse. Cause spawn didn't have food cause it was always restricted from them and they also have POTS. The fact is poppy spawn is away from you and your manipulative ass and away from Zena who treated Spawn like shit. Poppy grow up and understand how you chose to raise spawn since he was a child and yet you act like they mean nothing to you. Poppy there are screenshots that disprove everything you have said in this thread. @noehflake @transpersian @poppyandzena can all say you are lying about Spawn and everything that happened cause you keep twisting it poppy.
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Poppy's psychological abuse of Noehflake after Noehflake officially broke things off at the December Trip.
#poppy#poppy and zena#zena and poppy#poppy diabolique#ladydiabolique#poppy & zena#zenaandpoppyonyoutube#nf#noehflake#saigealexis
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