#gayfesh

[bethel-rath]

Kriese - Master Post

For legal purposes, all testimonies and commentary on this page or any of the documents linked from it are allegations. The screenshots, however, are evidence. Any edits will be very obvious and for the purpose of respecting confidentiality.

Hey yall. I'm Kriese (aka Keira, aka 4 Pings: explanation of that one here). I am a former friend of Poppy and Zena's going back to Spring 2021, and I was an Archon (Moderator) of The Foundation starting around Fall 2021. I would not say I was their closest friend; but we shared secrets and they trusted me. I trusted them, too.

A lot happened in between then and now, and I have shared some of that publicly since coming out against them. I have decided to update my previous master post in order to change it from just listing the published documents to instead be a cataloging of what I feel are important or relevant statements, either here on Tumblr or on Twitter. A lot has happened very quickly in the past several months, and it is not all organized.

I do however recommend yall go check out Milena's Poppy and Zena: Abusive Hypocrites Hub Doc. In it are links to all of the already published docs, including Abusive Hypocrites 2.

Below here will be links to and descriptions of what I consider to be semi-important to important statements I've personally made publicly. They're not in any specific order (at the moment; I may go back later and reconsider).

When GayFesh Said People Privately Reached Out to Him, One of Those was Me. I discreetly talked to Fesh once while still in The Foundation. It occurred the night after he made his original public callout post on Twitter. We asked each other to keep our conversation a secret. I wanted his perspective on a few things. We didn't speak again until after I left The Foundation.

I Will Never Again Publicly Talk About RGR. Here's Why.

My First Signed Anonymous Ask to Heloise. This was done in response to Poppy posting my private DMs between myself and her after she dropped into my DMs while I was working.

Followup to That First anonymous Ask Much Later as Myself. In this I better explain what was going on around that time, why I believe Poppy reached out to me, and why I reacted the way I did.

A Signed Anonymous Ask to Heloise Calling Out Poppy Continually Using Spawn's Preferred Name. I was frustrated with Poppy not protecting peoples' identities when she herself should understand what it meant to be doxxed. This was an expression of that feeling.

I Discuss Not Wanting to Take Away What The Foundation has Meant to Others. As it became clear I would be speaking out in the future, I wanted it to be clear that just because I had issues with Zena and Poppy that should not take away from what support and community others had found there. Consider it a time capsule of my feelings and beliefs at that time.

My Offer to Talk to Anyone on Discord. Poppy initially vaguetweeted about me reaching out to Chem and Naomi, which prompted me to send Heloise this signed anonymous ask. Poppy decided to just called me out directly on Twitter afterwards. For what it's worth, I never spoke to Chem, and my interaction with Naomi was just sharing the Spawn 1 doc.

Discussion of What Lead to Me Leaving The Foundation. I sent this as a signed anonymous ask to Heloise in preparation of Luxander's stream and the publication of Abusive Hypocrites 2.

I Reiterate I Never Wanted Poppy to Lose Her Job. This is why I had my final fight in Archon.

About How I Connected With Milena After Leaving The Foundation. This signed anonymous ask was sent after Luxander's stream and Abusive Hypocrites 2 was published. I wanted to provide context for my contribution to the doc and me going public.

My Explanation of the 4 Pings Meme Poppy Made About Me. On March 22nd, Poppy created a bunch of memes about a statement I made during my final argument in Archon chat before leaving The Foundation. This is my explanation of it.

About Patchwork Heart and His Response on Stream. I had watched the VoD of the Cope and Seethe stream he went on, and I wanted to be charitable in how Patchwork Heart reacted to reading the docs (especially the stuff about Spawn).

Further Request to Give Patchwork Heart Space He Needs. I made this as a pseudo follow-up statement to the post above.

Saige Accuses Me of "Turning" Patchwork Heart with a $25 Ki-Fi Donation. This one bothered me a lot, and I responded on both Twitter and Tumblr. The Twitter posts are included within the Tumblr blog.

My Identity. This is where I revealed that I was the one running this Tumblr blog. I have not revealed the reason before, but it was due to Annie discovering my blog and thinking I was a Milena sock-puppet account. I decided that it was better to come clean about who I was rather than let that be assumed to be the truth.

I Disavow and Don't Support KF.

My Commentary on The Alt-Right Playbook. And how it pertains to this situation.

Poppy Heaps Praise on a Twitter Follower for Harassing Noehflake. So much for just wanting people to block her. I believe that is still the party line.

Discussion of Poppy's Behavior Pertaining to Control / Sex From My Perspective and Where Something Changed. This was due to an anonymous ask I received at the time.

When Did Poppy Start Getting Obsessed with Porn/NSFW Art? I provide my perspective of when I noticed the shift.

Succubi Want Consent. Why? In retrospect, it appears I might have been just mixing up the tweet thread I had caught with a previous discussion on stream as I never could find a stream segment. Well, the referenced tweet is included.

I Did Believe Poppy for Weeks About Her SA Allegations. I only changed my mind when evidence was presented about both the timeline of events and what had happened in private.

The Line Between Friend and Moderator is Fine on The Foundation. I chime in to discuss how moderators are selected by Poppy and Zena, and who was being shared the timeline of events of the Courtney Orchard / KP situation back in September 2023.

Is It a Conflict of Interest to Be a Friend and a Moderator at the Same Time? I do my best to answer the question here. It's complicated.

Timeline of Poppy and Zena Instituting a "Conflict of Interest" Moderator Rule and Sharing CO/KP Timeline of Events; Poppy and Zena Safety Report Published by KP Moderation Team. Both of these are relevant topics to stuff that happened in Fall 2023 with Poppy and Zena, Courtney Orchard, and ILoveKimPossibleALot. I was not kept particularly informed of the day-to-day details myself at the time.

I Discuss The System Reorganization of The Gentry to L'Enfants Diabolique and How Penny Changed. No, I'm not talking about Penny the OC. I'm talking about Penny the headmate.

I Give a Good-Faith Response to AnnieGal. It was clear she was not engaging in good faith with me (she later admits as much), but I did my best to engage in good faith with what she gave me. I wanted to show I am who I always was.

A Response to Night Wyld. I waited over a month to make any public statement outside of some comments on Malcolm's Poppyverse discord, and I only did so because Night Wyld publicly attacked me again on their Tumblr. The contents within finally forced me to decide to make a public statement. As their Tumblr has been suspended and Annie has taken down her reblog of the post, the evidence is currently not on this site. I still have it (as do other places).

Cross-Post From Twitter About Wiping Messages on The Foundation Before I Left and Why. I did not wipe everything, but I wiped a lot. I felt it was important people know I chose to do so.

My Recommendations for How to Behave When it Comes to Rhetoric. It's clear not everyone agrees with what I said, but I stand by it.

An Apology to Saige for Never Reaching Out. I should have done so much, much sooner.

What's The Play Here? This isn't particularly important, but I'm putting it here for two reasons. One: I did send a private message to Poppy wishing her a Happy Birthday; Two: Poppy revealed that I had sent her a Cease and Desist, and that is true.

Night Wyld Has Left The Foundation. I will let his words and apology speak for themselves. From what I can tell, Night put a lot of effort into the video, and I recommend everyone watch it. For my part, I forgive him.

If something is not here, it's still in the archives. Nothing is deleted.

Take care all,

Kriese, aka Keira

[poppyandzena]

the fish WHAT NOW?

https://twitter.com/ZenaAndPoppy/status/1767995648089960578

It's extremely defamatory leaning. At least use "Rape Apologist Fish" if you truly believe that shit so people don't assume he RAPED someone. Fesh has every right to be upset with this.

[annieguardian]

Make no mistake, people like this are the core of the Poppy Hate movement

It is not a coincidence that a movement that spawned in reaction to Poppy outting her rapist has attracted some of the most vile and rapey sounding individuals on the planet. People like Milena and QP exist to launder this misogyny and rape apologia, and sanitize it for people who are turned off by the utterly repugnant attitudes expressed by Turkey Tom, Goddamit Malcom, Stardust, and Noehflake herself. It's why Milena is so stressed out that she can't control her side. It's the same reason you see so many conservatives who claim to hate Trump, but who support the same policies as him. They just don't like the language, because they realize how horrible it makes them look. Notice how there are no Nazis on Poppy's side, or how no one ever says things like "don't whine about being SA-ed, just hang up the call." If you are on the anti-Poppy side, know that every one of your "allies" would instantly say and do the same to you regarding your trauma. These are not people that care about victims or survivors. You can see it in the contemptuous way they regard Night Wyld, or how often even the "good" ones will let the mask slip.

Remember, they have no problem with any of this. These people have no objection to objectifying and mocking a human trafficking survivor, to denying the existence of non contact SA, accussing rape survivors of "literally asking for it," citing sexist attitudes towards male SA survivors as justification for the mistreatment of female survivors, mocking women for being suicidal, calling for survivors of child slavery to be made property of the state, doxxing children, intimidating survivors of child trafficking, claiming that it's abusers fault that they were abused as children, and calling a child sex trafficking survivor a "barely functioning meat shield." None of this was said by Turkey Tom. This was said by the "progressive" members of this hate campaign. You cannot be a part of this campaign, while also caring about survivors. These positions are mutually exclusive.

[transpersian]

Hey, are you working with Gayfesh or not? Shouldn't the vicitms come to you? I always thought that was how this was supposed to work. He's a content creator now and from what I've seen... I know that he is fish themed, but he might as well be a shark. The whole thing just smells fishy. I know at least that you're not trying to make money off of this. But Gayfesh's channel could make a lot of money from going after a transwoman. At least you're another transwoman. You should know the risk. But Gayfesh? He's been in this space a long time and knows who the awful people beause a lot of them have gone after him or his loved ones in the past. He's actually known for being too overprotective. I never thought that he would do this. I've never seen things this bad. If he goes after P&Z, his channel will make tons of money and grow a ton. But for what? We know that the people are watching drama videos because they like watching blood sports. All he has to do is talk about the "reports" that he's getting, he doesn't need to fact check or anything. All of this is probably too much for P&Z. Their posting doesn't even look like them anymore. I don't know what changed. I know that you want them deplatformmed, but I don't know that is all that everyone else wants. Everyone knows that drama videos make money. Even P&Z talk about this. It's getting scary out there. Please stay safe.

Fesh is not a grifter. Full stop.

Fesh is a very principled and loyal friend, and the fact that he finally turned his back on them should tell you something.

He CAN make a lot of money if he grifts. But he doesn’t.

I CAN go rob old ladies on the street and make decent money quick, but I don’t.

People “can” do a lot of things, but don’t take empty conjecture like this and frame it as a real possibility.

[poppyandzena]

Thank you, Fesh.

[poppyandzena]

Thank you, Fesh.

[bethel-rath]

I recommend everyone check Luxander's tweet thread that I was replying to for full context. I will not include it here.

Tweet Transcript:

Kriese: I've been trying so, so hard to stay quiet the last few days, but I need to point out something: GayFesh only caught some of the praise and signal boosting that follower got after harassing Noehflake. There's more.

This is not telling followers to "ignore/block" Noehflake. This is *rewarding* one for jumping into her replies with a massive amount of attention. Also, to be clear: NO ONE go bother the person in these screenshots. They do not deserve any harassment. I would have blacked out their name, but I kind of had to show it in all to make the point they were the same person.

[bethel-rath]

The thing is: I and others did believe Poppy. We did for weeks, if not longer.

My issues in the beginning were not that I did not believe she had been a victim of SA, it was that she was going about handling her trauma the wrong way. Instead of trying to heal, she was attempting to fight a neverending battle on social media. A battle, mind you, that by mid-February had gotten to the point it was going to cost Poppy her job if she did not stop harassing people.

I know Poppy tried to make it out as friends trying to "silence" her about her SA and not offering alternatives, but I tried to offer her something during our fight in moderator chats before I left the discord out of frustration:

The date for this message would have been February 18th. It was only a piece of the greater argument, mind you.

I do not remember anymore when my perspective shifted from believing Poppy had been a victim of SA to this was potentially all a long BPD spiral (from my perspective). I believe I did the right thing in believing her when she claimed she was a victim of SA at the start of this. But believe victims does not mean believe all victims nor to believe them unquestioningly. As new evidence came to light and I discovered just how much of what had happened around the December trip had been obscured from me, it became clear I should not accept the narrative I had been previously following.

I also believe Poppy's pain is real, but it is misplaced. That is why I tried to suggest time away from social media (both to save her job and to allow for healing). This social media fixation is not helping with the healing process; if anything, it is actively undoing it.

At least, that is my opinion on the matter.

Take care all,

Kriese

Edit/Update: I finally came to the conclusion that Poppy was not actually a victim of SA when Gayfesh leaked the full DM conversation between Noehflake and Poppy that had occurred on December 27th, 2023. That DM leak occurred on February 24, 2024 (link here).

One of Poppy’s recent arguments on twitter is basically: Over 90% of SA accusations are true, so we should by default believe she’s >90% probably telling the truth. I agree this is a good argument for believing most SA accusations by default—but I don’t think it applies to her case.

One, her SA-by-deception claim is a VERY nonstandard subtype of SA accusation, which we lack much data on—so the >90% prior-probability isn't necessarily applicable. SA by deception is controversial, lacks clear criteria, and is rife with biased cases (e.g. it is easily misused to accuse trans & other marginalized people of SA by nondisclosure). Unlike some of her critics, I don’t think this necessarily debunks the validity of the concept. But it *does* show the concept is murky & hazardous. We have to acknowledge that there is legit reason for a LOT more default skepticism toward SA-by-deception accusations than toward most other SA accusations.

Two, Poppy’s math argument (at least as she presents it) mostly tries to refute the claim that she’s intentionally lying. But I’m not sure that this even counts against other hypotheses—such as that she’s sincere but delusional, very biased, or just badly mistaken. The conceptual murkiness of SA-by-deception raises the danger that she could make a mistaken accusation due to innocent error, and/or due to non-innocent bias or motivated reasoning—*even if* we assume, for the sake of argument, that she has not deliberately lied.

Three, there are many strikes against Poppy’s credibility on this issue. This includes (among other things) tons of evidence that Poppy abused and manipulated Noehflake in numerous ways prior to the incident, which I won’t bother rehashing here. The background evidence that Poppy has also abused and/or mistreated other people in similar ways also provides indirect support to the interpretation that she abused Noehflake. Not every lie or error is a strike against an SA accusation. But when there’s strong evidence of abuse, this can seriously undermine the abuser’s subsequent accusations that something done by the abuse-victim was really a wrongdoing against the abuser. If Poppy abused and manipulated Noehflake, then it is less likely that Noehflake is somehow the one who committed any serious wrongdoing against Poppy.

The nonstandard nature & conceptual murkiness of “SA by deception,” along with the evidence of Poppy’s abuse, means her math argument is irrelevant.

^

[poppyandzena]

ATTENTION

To get the housekeeping out of the way, I am not affiliated with Zena & Poppy and their social media accounts. I have never been personally victimized by either party as of writing this. I have never had a personal relationship with them.

This blog is for recordkeeping and accountability. Everything on here is considered alleged. As the circumstances surrounding Zena & Poppy become more dire and there is a higher risk of emotional or reputational injury towards victims, I may have to withhold/redact information posted onto here. Bear in mind that I have privately monitored and archived public posts relevant to Zena & Poppy’s conduct. While light can be the best disinfectant against problematic people, the comfort and safety of the victims take precedence.

This blog does not tag trigger warnings. You will find relevant triggers in the bio. If certain posts are especially triggering, I may put a community label on them. I do not encourage minors to interact with the content of this blog.

Do not badger anyone involved in this situation, especially Zena & Poppy. I do not recommend confronting them directly. It is a waste of time, and distant documentation is the safest and most productive approach. Anonymous messages are made public at my discretion, and I do not encourage ad hominem attacks or unsubstantiated rumors. Please let me know if I have posted inaccurate information, and it will be swiftly corrected.

Below is a drive of screenshotted public posts from Zena & Poppy’s accounts. It is not complete but has infrequent updates depending on how safe it is for the victims involved in the posts. I am also providing very helpful links to give more context. My posts are tagged with the people involved for your convenience.

Thank you,

Heloise 🧡

GOOGLE DRIVE OF SCREENSHOTS (INCOMPLETE)

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TAG OF INFO AND TESTIMONY OF POPPY'S CHILD DETAILING THEIR EXPERIENCE (SPAWN)

FULL ABUSIVE HYPOCRITES DOC HUB

GOOGLE DOC OF POPPY AND ZENA'S ABUSE OF THEIR KID

GOOGLE DOC OF POPPY AND ZENA'S ABUSE OF NOEHFLAKE

FULL VOD OF LUXANDER'S COVERAGE OF PZ'S ABUSE

A GUIDE TO SAFELY LEAVING "THE FOUNDATION" (PZ DISCORD SERVER).

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BLOG BY CIARA RAYNE (VICTIM, FORMER FRIEND, MOD) + TWITTER

DOCUMENT BY ILIKEKIMPOSSIBLEALOT

BLOG BY FORMER MOD OF ZENA & POPPY (KRIESE)

VIDEO AND DEVIANTART STATEMENT BY FORMER FOUNDATION MEMBER (NIGHTWYLD)

TAG OF TESTIMONY POSTS BY COURTNEY ORCHARD (VICTIM)

CALLOUT THREAD BY DORMIYU (VICTIM, EX MEMBER)

STATEMENT BY BEYONDSAFEWORDS (EX CHANNEL CONTRIBUTOR)

CALLOUT THREAD BY VYRTHANDI (EX MUTUAL OF POPPY)

CALLOUT THREAD BY A FRIEND OF NOEHFLAKE (VICTIM, EX PARTNER)

CALLOUT THREAD BY GAYFESH (FORMER PZ COMMUNITY MEMBER)

COMMENT BY QUOLL (VICTIM, EX LOVE INTEREST)

ZENA & POPPY MASTERPOST BY MILENA (VICTIM, EX PARTNER)

More links will be provided as time goes on.

[poppyandzena]

How dare Milena have other partners and plans to meet them as she's being gaslit and abused by PZ.

How dare Milena not take Zena's abuse (sorry, PMDD and NOTHING else 🙄) like a battered dog.

How dare Noeh have partners outside of Poppy and have plans to move in with them and have plans to meet them and go on dates. Don't you know your 4 month relationship with Poppy takes precedence?

How dare Noeh and her partner give each other affection on Twitter and call each other Baby. Now "baby" isn't a safe word for Poppy to use anymore because Noeh's partner used it!

How dare Noeh's partner not respond to Poppy's unhinged manifesto detailing how "abusive" she is for existing around Noeh. Jobs be damned. Sleep be damned. You answer to Poppy! Even if you aren't dating her!

How dare Noeh have boundaries about how much sexual content she can take. How dare Noeh be asexual! Don't you know that Poppy knows exactly how your body works despite not being a medical doctor, or even HER doctor?

How dare Noeh tell Poppy not to come visit for Christmas when Poppy and Zena emotionally terrorize her to the point of dissociation. You can't say no to Poppy! That's her boundary!

How dare Noeh for letting Poppy be intimate with her when she wasn't 100% in love with her! How dare she be abused and conflicted and dissociated during sex that Poppy wanted!

How dare Noeh leave when Poppy and Zena get into one of their many abusive arguments in the hotel room. You come back here and fix this relationship dammit!

How dare Noeh not give into Poppy.

How dare Milena not give into Poppy.

How dare Hela not give into Poppy.

How dare Rayne not give into Poppy.

How dare Gayfesh not give into Poppy.

How dare Loomie not give into Poppy.

How dare Patch not give into Poppy.

How dare Kriese not give into Poppy.

How dare Spawn not give into Poppy.

[poppyandzena]

I know it’s been a hard week for all of you. Hope you can get some rest and recover. As you reflect on what happened and what will happen next, I hope one thing has become clear through this: Poppy will not stop. This is who Poppy is. Poppy ONLY cares about herself and getting more attention. As she would say “full stop”. This is who she’s always been. Notice how she moves into a whole new community every few years. She follows the same pattern every time. She speed runs some kind of experience and tries to become an authority as quickly as possible, then tries to become a popular influencer in that group (writing a book, having a YT channel), then eventually has a huge falling out with another major leader in the community and “decides” to move on.  We’re already seeing it happen with her distancing herself from “the online left” again, and with trying to discredit anyone who speaks against her. The only difference this time is how online it all is. It's harder to walk away and start fresh. She doesn’t care about victims. If she did she would have shown an ounce of compassion for her own child when they felt so unsafe they had to crawl out a window. If she did, she would have cared about Doriyamu feeling harassed. Or the people in her server who didn’t want to see explicit porn. Or the women she “flirts” with online who express discomfort. She only cares about BEING a victim because it gets her attention She doesn’t care about believing victims of SA.  If she did, once again, she’d care about how Doriyamu felt. Or she’d care, at least a little, that Noeh ALSO felt uncomfortable and assaulted. She’s said it herself: she started saying “r*pe” because she wasn’t getting the desired result (more attention) with just regular SA. She doesn’t care about her ethical responsibility as a therapist. She DOESN’T BELIEVE SHE HAS ANY ETHICAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A THERAPIST UNLESS YOU’RE HER CLIENT. She has said it over and over again that her responsibility is only to clients. If she cared about her ethics as a therapist, she wouldn’t have needed to be warned by her job to stop posting online. She wouldn’t have needed GayFesh to scramble to cover up the fact that Poppy had shared a client name with her friends! (which, she ONLY DID because she wanted attention for the letter she’d written).  If she cared about ethics as a therapist, she might even hold some space for the fact that Noeh ALSO has a valid and fair perspective on the situation, and try to reconcile that with her own experiences. If she cared, she wouldn't be so happy to store "terabytes" of private conversations that she could pull out to punish people who separate from her. She doesn’t care about who she hurts.  If she did, she wouldn’t treat Saige’s constant mental health as a joke or a burden. If she did, she wouldn’t want some like NW to be putting themselves through this at such a deep personal cost to them. If she did, she would not only disavow the doxing, but she’d stop using people’s real names every chance she gets. Instead, she’s taken to referring to every person involved as their full legal name.

She doesn’t care about other people. If she did, she’d listen to one of the dozens of her friends, including her friend of 20+ years, when they try to get through to her.

She doesn’t care about her “reputation”, even.  If she did, she’d be concerned with the TT video and maybe continue to take a break. Instead, she’s already announced two new videos that will continue the drama, plus taken to just continuing to post graphic porn on her public account for the YT channel. The ONLY THING that Poppy cares about is herself, and the attention she gets. It has stopped mattering WHY she’s like this. She just is. I know most of hope she’ll get better someday. That she’ll do real healing and reflection. Maybe she will.  If she does though it won’t be because any of the people involved in this managed to “get through to her”. 

A very apt dissection.

[poppyandzena]

Ready for a Hot Cheetos level take? I’m glad that Milena contacted Noeh when she did. Could you imagine what would have happened if she didn’t? What if Noeh never reached out? She might have been bullied off of social media and permanently branded a rapist. Gayfesh may have never left the foundation. God knows how many people would still be trapped there to this day.

Sure, keeping a promise is generally the right thing to do. But when real life people come into harm’s way, helping them is more important than that.

It's childish to think it’s never okay to break a promise. And It’s childish to hold a grudge over it.

🧡

[annieguardian]

Milena's Cope Doc is out

Just want you to know I talked to Milena in VC before she released this. She wanted to assuage my fears and even expressed interest in litigation to legally gag Courtney and Britt from speaking about me, but only if I was on her side.

She also spoke in significant disdain for Gayfesh and Noehflake, and repeatedly talked about how she views herself as your superior, and that she's what's "holding you back from worse harm." Perhaps a handler of sorts. This is how she views her "friends." She says a bunch of stuff in private about how she cares so much about me and was so hurt that we couldn't be friends, but puts out a statement where she makes a bunch of backhanded comments about me. This is how she views people. If you criticize her or are against her, you are an abuser. If you are nice to her and obey her, she loves you. She displays no other standards to people.

Literally no one should trust her.

[poppyandzena]

(same anon as the recent recaps re: Noeh)

Someone anon'd Noeh with their theory that the rpe accusation was partially just a way to avoid admitting that Noeh might have broken up with them simply because Poppy (and P&Z) were just toxic, undesirable partners.

That's totally spot on.

Especially when Poppy had been so wildly vocal about their obsession with Noeh. Admitting that Noeh left after meeting them one time wouldn't be good for the ego or for the reputation. It could make other people question things.

Especially since the timing was so soon after Milena released the first docs and GayFesh was already on the way out. An UNDESIRABLE SUCUBUS?

All of the P&Z yelling has always been following the same playbook:

Deny. Divert. Delay. Discredit.

Step 1: Deny

None of that happened. The screenshots are out of context. My child is lying. Those docs are all lies. The few things that I am willing to admit to (because I can't deny it), aren't really that bad. Noeh totally wanted me. Noeh never said that she was ACE. Okay, maybe she did once, but she didn't really mean it because she didn't understand it. I don't HAVE to pressure someone into having sex with me. In fact, I only ever have sex with people who are ENTHUSIASTIC, so clearly Noeh was. Besides, restricting bathroom time is normal. Yelling at my partner all day long is healthy communication. Telling my prospective partners that they are responsible for my mental health and I'm not is a "boundary" that they must follow or it's their fault if anything goes wrong. *I* didn't dox those people, someone else did! It's not even LEGALLY doxing. *I* never harassed Noeh, I just put that image of her being called a r*pist up for a few months and repeated it and tagged her in it. That didn't have any REAL WORLD impact like me my job. People didn't stop being my friend because I was pushy, cruel, and selfish, it was just VIBES. People are only saying things because they got weaponized against me! I'm a licensed therapist. I know more than you. I AM RIGHT.

Step 2: Divert

Yeah, you have proof? Well I do, too! So much! Thousands of tweets worth! More than you could ever read or follow! Look at all those screenshots! Read these tweets! And these 7 articles that may or may not agree with me! By the time you realize that they don't actually prove my point I'll already be talking about the next thing and I'll make fun of you for trying so hard to prove that one small thing - that's just more proof of how dumb you are! Plus, I talked to lawyers! And a therapist! Maybe 5! Also, a bunch of these people only left because of VIBES! They didn't even read the docs! So that's proof that the docs are dumb! Look at all of these people who agree with me! Liana has a podcast so that makes her more believable! I'll also tag all of my allies all the time so that they have to get involved! Don't pay attention to whether or not they are "good" people. They are good because they agree with me and I AM RIGHT.

Step 3: Delay

I have so much proof! Slam dunk proof that my lawyers said would literally win any case against me. I'll get it out if I have to. I need to gather it up. There is a video coming at some point soon. I'll have to see if I can find that screenshot. If I get forced to show it and it doesn't match what I lied about, then I'll just say I was wrong. Oopsy no big deal no me. It's the bigger picture that matters most! Go read NightWyld's doc first before you talk to me. Go read that article I posted two weeks ago. I'll win a debate against anyone about this, but also I won't talk to any people who already spoke to my ENEMIES. I'll cover it later. On a different channel. Until then, though, just know that I am telling the 100% truth because I AM RIGHT.

Step 4: Discredit

You can't believe anything that this "mob" says. Milena is a ST*LKER (a term I notice Poppy picked up from Liana's discrediting of her own accusations). Noeh is a R*PIST! GayFesh is only doing it for the likes (even though all of their other posts get MORE attention). Spawn is a lying c*nt (still can't believe she called her child a c*nt). My old boss and friend of 20 years is just greedy and weak! Loomie wants to kill all animals! White Nervosa is weak and only doing what people tell them! One of them looked at KF one time, so they're all FARMERS! And SA apologists! Look at who they one time liked a tweet from! OMG! These are the people you want to TRUST? They are all just on a coordinated effort to end me. The goal is to make me admit I'm wrong. No, wait, the goal is to make me get cancelled. No wait, the goal is to make me lose my job. No, wait, the goal is to get clout off of me! No wait, the goal is to.. nevermind, it doesn't matter what the goal is because they are wrong and I AM RIGHT.

The sad part is that it is working somewhat. Poppy is still managing to drag new people into this and get them over to their side.

Although I notice they aren't having as much success anymore. They've lost partners because they didn't want to get dragged into the constant posting and tagging. Their own posts are only being liked and retweeted by Saige and their own secondary accounts.

That's why I follow this blog and try to keep engagement going. So that people have a safe, active space for when they are ready to start looking for the truth.

🧡🧡🧡

[poppyandzena]

This is getting so absurd that it’s boarding on the humorous.

Loomie: “I didn’t leave because I read the docs. I left because you interrogated me, pressured me, and then berated me. After I left, I discovered the full scope of the harm you’ve done.”

Fresh:”I didn’t leave because of the docs, I left because you pressured me into participating in a harassment campaign, and then berated me when I told you it was a bad idea. After I left, I discovered the full scope of the harm you’ve done.”

Poppy: “These clout goblins were acting on nothing but vibes! If you don’t like being berated and pushed around, you’re simply an idiot!

^^^

@gayfesh @loomiedoomie

[poppyandzena]

Poppy is having a meltdown on twitter rn and it just feels different.

At first all of the accusations she was flinging made me mad because of how wildly inappropriate and unhinged they were. Mad for NF, Gayfesh, all her friends she alienated and villainized on the way, but now? Now it makes me sad.

We have a 42 year old woman that has lost close to everything, a job, friends, a child, etc. And it's just sad to see the hole getting deeper. She reminds me of how I was at my mental lowest and that ended up in the hospital so I don't know. She a tiny, shrinking circle and one of the last remaining people is now doxing her villain's with a document even the drama obessed people aren't into.

It's only going to get worse from here, we all know that, but man is it depressing to see. She really is her own worst enemy but has enough enablers to keep it going.

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