#ryan ross 21st birthday

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[prettyoddfever]

We've all seen Brendon and Ryan's high school pictures, but where are Brent/Jon's and Spencer's??? I can't find anything on them at all.

I honestly feel like the fandom has the most pictures of teenage Jon in addition to his yearbook stuff. Brent obvs no lol, but yeah I guess there wasn't quite as many of Spencer shared back then.

I think the source of the yearbook scans probably factors into the volume. A girl who ran a short-lived Panic fan site had a guy who went to school with Brendon (someone named Travis) scan in more yearbook pictures in mid-2006 so that's where a lot of those came from. FBR also shared Brendon's sophomore school picture in August 2008 for some back-to-school promos even though we'd already had that for years.

A lot of Ryan's high school pictures were shared by Paulina, and then his yearbook scans were shared by former classmates in fall 2005. Those became really popular. I thought it was funny that even Keltie found them online... like when Rolling Stone talked about Ryan's 21st birthday in 2007, they said that Keltie "hung mini versions of Ross’ high school yearbook photo (which she found on the internet)."

here are a few of Jon if that helps:

[myvicesvengeance]

So, Brendon Urie and Ryan Ross were still talking to each other from 2010 to 2012.

I've been going back and forth on posting this on tumblr of all places, but fuck it, we need to talk about Brendon and Ryan's actual twitter interactions from 2010 to 2012. AKA: My Christmas Present to you all.

So, there was a blog (that I don't think is running anymore) from the late-2010s and I remember them saying in passing that Brendon and Ryan's friendship "fractured around 2010". This was a big blog for Ryan content at the time, and I am not the only person who has had some issues with how this blog has... Delivered information.

And I'm not linking the post they said it in, because the post in general doesn't matter in this context and it's still a decent post on the topic they were talking about regardless, but that sentence really did annoy me.

Because I became a fan of PATD in 2011, and... Saying their friendship "fractured around 2010" is just not true. After about a year of not interacting on twitter (due to PATD recording Vices & Virtues, TYV promoting Take A Vacation! and then touring, and both bands being annoyed at each other for a few months), August 2010 was when Ryan and Brendon would start interacting on twitter again and also in person...

First sign of contact: 27th August 2010 "Small world" - Shane (a seemingly candid picture also taken by Shane Valdez)

Then this happened on 26th October 2010.

(cite 1 and cite 2)

November 2010, the Uries adopted Penny Lane in January 2010. This must've been her actual birthday. Ryan obviously thought she was cute.

Brendon replied with this.

And Ryan replied with this.

I think both were a little bit high.

A conversation that happened on 26th-27th May 2011 (like, damn, dude it's such a "fractured" friendship)

Brendon tweeting on Ryan's Birthday in 2011, and Ryan replying to the post.

In January 2012, Brendon said he hadn't talked to Ryan and Jon in about two months in the Definitely Funny interview. Well, that seemed to have changed by February.

Then there was this little thread from 2012 (ft. Jon). This was coming to around the end of Vices & Virtues tour before they would go to record Too Weird to Live, Too Rare to Die!, so it makes sense that Brendon would start using his Twitter more. Also, I love that he tagged Dan in this as well.

This conversation:

On August 19th Spencer, Brendon, Shane, Sarah, and Linda went to the Breaking Bad Art Gallery. I think this was Shane posting about it, and Ryan saying he was willing to join since he was just across the street at the time. I didn't see any photos of Ryan if he managed to make it there on time though.

The Shane (Brendon's ex-roommate, and now ex-best friend) and Ryan interactions are actually quite interesting, because it gives us an indication when Brendon, Shane, and Ryan started talking to each other again. Shane's twitter's private now (so I'm not always able to supply context), but we can see that Ryan commented on Shane's post on Twitter 21st March 2010. First time he would've replied to Shane's posts since July 2009.

Brendon retweeting Ryan's tweets. Twice.

All of this stuff is still up on twitter. They aren't hard to find.

Just know, this is why I find it hilarious but also annoying whenever certain fans say in a serious tone (not in a joking or a shitposting way) that Ryan and Brendon's friendship was "fractured" or that "they hated each other", as if they parted ways after 2009 and never spoke to each other again until they bumped into each other at the 2015 Halloween Party.

Because that's very clearly not what happened.

They were both talking to each other in late-2010. In fact, it seemed like Ryan and Brendon were making the most effort out of everyone in the pre-split band to remain in contact. It's not like it was some kind of secret either. Brendon was talking about it in interviews as well.

Are you still friends with Ryan Ross and Jon Walker? I'm definitely glad to say that, yes, we are still friends. I talked to Ryan a couple days ago. We live close to each other and we've hung out a few times — gone to dinner, grabbed some drinks. We told each other we'd get together again soon. - SPIN (this question was asked in late January 2011)

And this quote is very much in line with everything to do with the tweets.

This post isn't a "Fuck you, for misleading fans" kind of post to that blog, but a "this is a mistake anyone can make" kind of post (which is why I also haven't tagged them or their post), especially when this fandom has been playing a collective game of telephone since 2011, and people in this fandom just have a habit of either never citing their sources about what the band has said, or a habit of making shit up about Brendon since 2005! It also just doesn't help when people take any sign of friendship between these two guys, and turn it into a relationship for entertainment purposes or conspiracy theory BS. I understand why stuff like this happens!

But please check your facts before you say something like their friendship "fractured around 2010" so confidently.

Especially, when - as we can see from 2010-2012 - Ryan and Brendon seemed to be the the only two members from PATD and TYV to actually make something of an effort to meet up and talk to each other. Spencer and Jon? Not really. We might have had the odd mention, but Brendon was always the one talking to Ryan, meeting up with Ryan, and they lived relatively close by to each other!

Because if you actually talk to any Ryden shippers (or people who even just loved their dynamic) from around 2010-2012, people will tell you that no one theorised about whether Brendon's valley girl voice during 'Nearly Witches' was an impression of Ryan at that time. In fact, most were talking about how great it was that they were talking and meeting up!

I know that people were making a big deal out of Brendon not following Ryan back at the time, and that they still do now, but does it really matter when the two were still talking and interacting with each other? I guess no one will ever be happy.

I'm not saying that Ryan and Brendon were besties around this time, but I'm also not saying that people who hate each other don't tend to meet up for drinks and talk to each over like twitter mutuals.

[foxes-that-run]

If I could fly

The TLDR is that If I could fly is about Harry being vulnerable with someone he is separated from by distance which is painful. Harry wrote it in February before the OTRA tour. When asked about it in the Track by Track, (1:52) Harry spoke about the album for 2 minutes, when prompted he covered his body language was closed before saying it 'kind of fell down, it was natural to sing it' then talked about Johan. Thank for sharing your music Harry.

When was it written

Harry wrote it with Johan Carlson and Ross Golan in Los Angeles. Johan said they wrote together several days a week over four weeks leading up to the On the Road Again tour, which started 7 February 2015. Harry wrote with Johan on ‘Just a Little Piece of your heart’, ‘I love you’, Maybe Someday and 'Stockholm Syndrome'. Johan said:

"He's such a good songwriter - it's an honour to write music with him. He's fantastic with the words and he can really put down lyrics that are very conversational and people can relate to. We're just having a good time."

Niall also said Made in the AM was written in January and February, before Zayn left the band in March. He also told Ryan Seacrest the bulk of the album was written before tour and recorded on the road.

Live performances

One Direction never performed it live and Harry hasn't since 2018. Harry included it in his first main setlist throughout 2018. He performed it on the B stage after Sweet Creature. When performing it live Harry paused, shushed the crowd with a finger for up to 2 minutes before saying "it's your turn" for them to sing the last chorus and "I feel it," both of which Harry led on the album.

What the band said about it

To Apple Music Liam said he got emotional listening to "the song Harry wrote", which is likely 'If I Could Fly' because his other writing credits were with 1D and/or 1D writers. Harry deflected answering what it is about but said it was a farewell (to a hoodie they had been joking about). The farewell is interesting to me as the lyrics are ambiguous to me, Harry sings of being apart from his muse, going out of mind and hoping they don’t run from him.

Julian Bunetta said to Rolling Stone:

“I remember when Harry first played it to me. That one I didn’t write, but I remember when I first heard it. We were in Westlake Studio for a week. I kept asking why he wanted to call it ‘If I Could Fly.’ It’s a great song, so it doesn’t really matter what it’s called, does it?”

The title is only in the first line, compared to 'for your eyes only' which is the main line of the chorus. If I could fly is a reference to the paper airplane necklace and Taylors Out Of The Woods "Two paper airplanes flying, flying, flying". It also sets the meaning of the song as about someone he's physically apart from rather than the band or fans.

Timeline

27 October - 1989 release, Harry and Taylor seen together again in November and December. (2014 timeline)

10 January - 4 weeks writing with Johan incl. 'If I could Fly'

16 January - The last time Harry and Taylor were seen together before the Exile BBMAs was Caleb followill birthday. (WITW)

1 February - Taylor not at Harry's 21st birthday, in Nashville the next day, maybe broke up (Hunger and Coney Island).

7 February - ORTA tour start, end of writing period.

14 February - Style Music Video released and Two Ghosts written.

27 February - Harry posted the overgrown Winding Wheel.

7 November - Harry Tweeted 'If I could fly' before it was released. He had given Taylor the Airplane necklace on 7 November 2012.

Lyrics

If I could fly I'd be comin' right back home to you

"If I could fly" is not an obvious title for this song, but was important to Harry.

The opening of Taylor’s vault track The Very First Night is “I wish I could fly / I'd pick you up and we'd go back in time”

It is one of Harry's last One Direction songs, he fly's (over an ocean and woods) in the MV his first solo song, Sign of the Times, which works as a through line. Harry said to Jimmy Fallon that he 'would have been happy with a green screen' which sounds like the flying was his idea before he got concepts.

Harry has sung about flying and the distance separating him from his muse many times, especially in One Direction songs. This title and opening lyric are clear the song is about someone Harry is separated from by touring and living internationally:

Fools Gold "You're the shining distraction that makes me fly home"

Half The World Away "Never gonna be the same / 'Cause you're half the world away"

Lay down "Hearts are divided / Now that we’re worlds apart"

Trouble "And you know that i’ll be gone in the morning"

Already home "You don’t have to go, but you’re already leaving" and "From aeroplanes to the bullet trains, summer skies to the pouring rain / All the future plans we will never make, from a beating heart to the farthest place"

Daylight "If I was a bluebird, I would fly to you"

Canyon Moon "I'll be gone too long from you"

Daydreaming "You know I'll be gone for so long / So give me all of your love, give me something to dream about"

Since meeting Harry while writing Red, Taylor has sung about flying in more than 10 songs about him, most closely in The Very First Night: "I wish I could fly, I’d pick you up and we’d go back in time"

Home is also an important theme in Harry's music, home being with the person rather than a physical place.

I think I might Give up everything, just ask me to

Here, in Maybe Someday and in Taylors 'The Lakes' they have both sung about being together after giving up their careers, Slut! and Gold Rush Also has a similar message.

however on Harry's House in Music for a Sushi Restaurant and As it Was Harry started to say he should be able to have both because 'he's not going to go broke' or 'you know it's not the same.'

Pay attention, I hope that you listen 'Cause I let my guard down Right now I'm completely defenseless

Harry guards his privacy carefully, he has spoke in the Behind the Album that the world knew everything about him in the band and he found he didn't like that. To let someone in is important.

For your eyes only I'll show you my heart For when you're lonely And forget who you are I'm missing half of me When we're apart Now you know me For your eyes only For your eyes only

I really love the phrasing of 'when you're lonely and forget who you are' it beautifully communicates how highly Harry thinks of his muse, but knows they don't see themselves as he does. This is quite similar to

Lay Down: "Two Hearts are divided / Now that we’re worlds apart, They seem so hard to take"

Satellite "I can see you're lonely down there, Don't you know that I am right here?"

Little Freak "I was thinkin' about who you are / Your delicate point of view"

I've got scars Even though they can't always be seen And pain gets hard But now you're here and I don't feel a thing

This verse gets me everytime. Harry is speaking about past trauma, which he also touched on with Rolling Stone discussing his parents separating and wanting to protect his mother, as well as internet criticism. Taylor Swift has a similar story in Seven, and in Cardigan "You drew stars around my scars"

I can feel your heart inside of mine I feel it, I feel it I've been goin' out of my mind I feel it, I feel it Know that I'm just wastin' time And I hope that you don't run from me

To me the outcome for the relationship in the song is ambiguous, as it may have been for Harry. He’s vulnerable, hoping the person doesn’t run from him, but is leaving and thinks he wasting his time. To me this reflects a relationship that’s complex, but clearly special. As we can see with how Harry didn’t want to discuss the song.

This verse reminds me of these lyrics.

Sweet Creature "Two hearts in one home"

Where do broken hearts go "Mind is running in circles of you and me"

Fools Gold "You're the raise on the waves that calm my mind"

[ryanrossfanatic]

instead of being a child i should’ve been at ryan ross’s 21st birthday party

[demonstars]

BASICALLY ryden was like . my main bandom space and like. only in getting older am i appreciating the insanities of petekey and others but like. ryden was CRAZY they were BEST FRIENDS they hung out all the time they had this whole bit on stage where brendon would almost kiss ryan while monologuing about meeting your lover and leaning in 'for that perfect, passionate kiss' and the band and their touring band and some crew went to myrtle beach and ryan made this fucking livejournal poetry post that is so fucking famous and you have to look it up but it FAMOUSLY contains the line 'you don't have to love me. you already did. at least enough to keep me smiling from South Carolina to Virginia. it's for lovers (orjustfriends) this is why i do it' and their next album after that tour was going to be this concept love story that they eventually scrapped (cabin album my cabin album) and then they wrote pretty odd and that album was just. full of love. and love in the summer and NORTHERN DOWNPOUR. a song brendon famously Cannot sing live like. has choked up singing it live. after an INTERVIEW where ryan and brendon broke down the songs and ryan was like 'i told him to pay special attention to the line 'i know the world's a broken bone, but melt your headaches call it home'' and GUESS WHICH LINE? BRENDON STARTS CRYING ON? WHEN HE SANG IT LIVE AFTER THE BREAKUP anYWAY the album after the breakup is full of all this like . breakup music and ur like ok fine but it's like . messy i still love you but i'm spiteful but when i think of summer i think of us breakup songs and some of them fucking interpolate PETE'S LIVEJOURNAL POETRY about perceived summer of like stuff it's all just SO . and like. THEY WERE BEST FUCKING FRIENDS they did so much together and now they don't even acknowledge the other in literally any context. ALSO ??? there was a STALKER that got ryan's number and messaged him pretending to be brendon for a while and it was so sick and it was confirmed because ryan's MANAGER AT THE TIME made a statement about it but the stalker basically messaged ryan talking about like, wanting to reconnect and missing him and all this shit and ryan was fully reciprocating the sentiments and the stalker ALSO INVITED RYAN TO BRENDON'S WEDDING ???? and ryan was like 'yeah i'd love to be there please let me know' and the stalker fucking posted the conversations online w people to be like 'awe how cute look at ryan missing brendon' never mind brendon literally got married and hadn't invited ryan and ryan thought he had ? and then after it all came out that it was a stalker ryan posted all this really upsetting stuff and ppl were like . genuinely worried about his well being . anyway they haven't publicly interacted in YEARS except they randomly got invited to the same halloween party a couple years ago and brendon spoke about it in a radio interview. later on in that interview he talked about wanting to make out w ryan gosling. when he was in the airport some paparazzi approached him like 'hey have u reached out to ryan' and brendon thought they were tlaking about ryan ross so he started talking about ryan ross and then the paparazzi were like 'so how... how would the makeout go?' and brendon's entire face dropped he was like 'oH RYAN GOSLING OH LMAO' and had a very Not Normal reaction . anyway .

ryan had his 21st birthday in new york at a club w his girlfriend and all of their of age friends (brendon is a year younger) and tHAT NIGHT was spotted having dinner w brendon in seattle in the SAME FUCKING CLOTHES HE'D WORN TO HIS PARTY . only known because a fan captured a photo with them and was like 'omg i just met brendon and ryan in seattle' and everyone was like ??? what the fuck ? and then northern downpour has the lyrics 'i missed your skin when you were east, you clicked your heels and wished for me' . lots of weird seattle lore.

there's so much more. there's so much . bestie . oh myfucking go d. they were crazy . normal weird crazy insane boy best friends that don't talk anymore and someone on twitter once asked what ryan thought of brendon and he answered 'he's my boy. always will be.' and it literally makes me sick to my stomach ok i'm done this is wildly incoherent bye <3 oh my god i just scrolled back this is. horrible . this is a scattered fraction of what ryden was up to . i can't be coherent about them. they makey me crazy :(

no actually i have to add that they had a . pete patrick dynamic where ryan wrote lyrics and brendon did music like. ryan was main contributor for all lyric stuff and how fucking sick is it that brendon got famous off RYAN pouring his emo teenage heart out and brendon has taken HIS BAND and driven it into the fucking ground and killed it. TOOK HIS CHILDHOOD BEST FRIEND! SPENCER AND RYAN GREW UP TOGETHER ON THE SAME FUCKING STREET WHAT DO YOU MEAN BRENDON GOT HIM IN THE DIVORCE ? BRENDON WAS AT HIS WEDDING AND NOT RYAN ? i'm . i'm gonna send you the rolling stones interview moment . crazy shit

ok sorry bye <3

this is fucking crazy. I literally feel like this was getting hit after hit and you tell me this is something you guys walk around knowing and have to live with.

[twoplayer-game]

ryan ross... 21st birthday photo.......

have the nichest drawing possible cooking up rn get ready yall

[pathetic-at-the-disco]

You guys inbox must be blowing up! I hope it doesn’t get too much, but I do have a question. I read the relationships timelines & ect but of course there’s the rumor about Ryan leaving Keltie in bed after the his birthday party. He supposed lay went to Seattle to visit Brendon because he was lonely. There is a picture of him, Brendon, and a fan in Seattle outside a cafe.

Hi! Thanks for the message. Things have been pretty hectic with the anons, but thankfully Mod M and I are on it. :D

You mean this picture, right?

Unlike many people, I don’t think this necessarily points to Ryden conspiracies. Brendon was Ryan’s best friend at this point, and it’s unfortunate that Keltie didn’t invite him to Ryan’s party. It only makes sense that Ryan would want to spend at least part of his birthday with his best friend.

Most people know that Panic! had a show at the Bumbershoot festival in Seattle on September 1, 2007. Ryan’s birthday Is August 30th, so it’s not that crazy to think he would want to be in Seattle with some down time beforehand—especially since Seattle is his favorite city (as noted in this 2006 interview with Kerrang! magazine):

Kerrang!: Favorite city?

Ryan: I would say Seattle. I just really like the atmosphere and just being around all the trees and everything, it seems like there’s a lot of fresh air there.

Also, there’s an interview floating around that was filmed in Seattle, where they’re wearing the exact same clothes as the above picture.

This proves that in addition to wanting to see his friend, Ryan may have had to go to Seattle early for work reasons. He’s clearly exhausted in the video, possibly from jet lag or just having a huge birthday party, traveling, and immediately making a public appearance. That can take a lot out of a person, especially an introvert like Ryan.

Even in an interview with Spencer before the concert, Ryan still seemed exhausted and dazed. He probably had a lot of things on his mind after Keltie’s horrible party.

~Mod C

[britneyshakespeare]

i’m not gonna lie. i stay up at night worrying about what panic! at the disco’s lost/scrapped cabin album cricket & clover would’ve sounded like it if it were finished/released.

[rosevest]

gonna get banned from bandom tumblr for saying what gabe saporta did to ryan ross on his 21st birthday

[theyovngveins]

DREAM WOULD LEAVE HIS GIRLFRIEND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ON HIS 21ST BIRTHDAY WITHOUT TELLING HER TO FLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO BE WITH GEORGE JUST BECAUSE HE ASKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so fucking foul that ryan ross literally did that and even more foul that dream literally would too😭😭😭😭

[failoutboyrock]

Ryan Ross 21st birthday

[bunny-lou]

Cast of Jessie wishes Cameron a happy 21st birthday on Instagram.

Debby Ryan (Jessie Prescott)

Kevin Chamberlin (Bertram)

Peyton List (Emma Ross)

Karan Brar (Ravi Ross)

Skai Jackson (Zuri Ross)

(Skai had many pictures of him on her story too.)

Chris Gayla (Tony Chiccolini)

Katherin McNamara (Bryn Breitbart)

[boydcastro708]

The Seattle theory

Okay, so, anyone who's a Ryden die-hard knows about this theory, knows it by heart, but quick recap

On Ryan's 21st birthday they went to New York to celebrate his birthday, and by the end of the night he was on a plane back to Seattle to see Brendon who was there for a show they were going to play I a couple of days instead of with Keltie.

The only evidence of this theory was northern down pour and this photo

But what if there was a little more??

I was on tik tok the other day (ik ew) but someone posted this video of a song Ryan Ross wrote and was preforming, if anything sounds familiar let me know, if you agree or disagree it's apart of the Seattle Theory proof or not. Let me know, give me your opinions 🥰🥰

[hearttstopper]

what happened with ryden in south africa?

okay so… 

on april 13th, 2009, panic! at the disco performed their last concert with it’s original lineup of band members in cape town, south africa. (brendon urie & spencer smith went on to continue writing and performing as P!ATD while the other half - jon walker and ryan ross - left and went on to work on a project called the young veins.) the night prior to this final show was brendon’s 21st birthday.

anyway, a few days after this show, ryan tweets: 

fast forward to roughly a year later, there’s a clear divide between in place between the two halves of the band - no one is speaking to each other. the young veins release an album called ‘take a vacation” and on it is a song ryan wrote called ‘cape town’: I saw you, I met you / I loved you, I left you in Cape Town, in Cape Town… / Woke me in the morning / Asked me if I meant it, I didn’t…

on the surface, it looks like it’s a song about a one night stand with a girl ryan met in cape town… but then a year after THAT, P!ATD releases ‘vices & virtues’ which features a song called ‘the calendar.’ 

Put another ‘x’ on the calendar / Summer’s on it’s deathbed / There is simply nothing worse than knowing how it ends / And I meant everything I said that night / I will come back to life / But only for you / Only for you…

in an interview with MTV news, brendon says that the song was originally written from a romantic perspective about two lovers, but then it took a different shape. he then admits that a lot of inspiration from jon & ryan leaving the band… which begs the question, what night are they both talking about?! are they referring to something that may have happened on brendon’s birthday? what was said that they did and did not mean on this night? a confession of feelings? a massive row? harry voice: we don’t know!

[littleryden]

365 days of ryan ross; day 48