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#this is so fucking important to me#im... so happy about how the manga tackled THIS scene#kingdom hearts#this part of kh3 always felt odd to me tbh#it felt like the writers wanted to do something and just. didnt go all the way#there were ideas and they just didnt fully write them down and put the same amount of effort into them as they did in other places#THIS feels so fucking... emotional. and for what reason?#it's just. sora cares about roxas.#it's just true. he cares about roxas and feels bad about the situation that him and roxas both were put in.#he never found it fair that he got to exist while roxas was told to unalive.#and while the sora writing in khDDD and kh3 definitely told us that#definitely told us that sora DOES NOT like this situation and he would be willing to do anything to bring roxas back#it wasn't this.#this feels like a friend you barely got to know. realising that you had it so rough.#and desperately trying to break down any barriers between you two and grab your wrist#to hold onto you tight and refuse to give up on searching for you and trying to help you out of your darkest places.#sora is so fucking insistent on proving that roxas is not just his nobody.#roxas is roxas.#donald being sorta confused makes complete sense#because he didnt see how roxas fought with every fibre of his being against sora to just try and beat him and prove his right to live#he didnt see sora bearing the weight of roxas' life and feel the betrayals and lies and deception that he barely understood as it was.#to anyone else. roxas probably is just sora's nobody.#sora may very well be the one person who knows that isn't true.
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For the last day of pride month: sea salt family!
#kh roxas#kh xion#kh isa#kh lea#sea salt trio#sea salt family#kingdom hearts#kh#kingdom hearts xion#kingdom hearts roxas#kingdom hearts lea#kingdom hearts Isa#kh Axel#xion kh#roxas kh#isa kh#lea kh#roxas kingdom hearts#xion kingdom hearts#lea kingdom hearts#isa kingdom hearts#no one can stop me from everything I can think of. so#not shown but Roxas is gnc but there isn’t a commonly excepted flag and I didn’t just want to use the nonbinary flag#it’s important to me that you know that Lea is the only cis one in the sea salt fam I think it’s funny#Xion Isa transgirl transman solidarity. we love that for them#Xion and Roxas would find solidarity in the queer and particularly trans community in a way a lot of trans people find solidarity in them#They have a gsa club at school and both join. Xion realises she is transgender and the fact that others have the experience of being a girl#trapped in a boys body blows her mind. yeah it’s not exactly the same but holy shit!!!#Roxas gets to explore his identity more! figures out that gender isn’t that important to him and yeah sure he can be a girl and a guy#and whatever. it’s fun! Lea and Isa grew up in a place where this stuff wasn’t talked about that much so they are confused but supportive
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wow, never thought i would be so uncomftorbale in a dress. . .
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theres a back to school dance coming up and i havent come out to my parents as non bianary, so i dont have a binder or anything for that stuff.
so my mom got me a lot of dresses, theres only one that i like cause it's very Kris Dreemurr coded. eventually after trying two on, i put on a pencil dress. my mom said i had the perfect body for it and everything, but i didnt like it, too revealing and it shows my ass off alot and it made me very uncomftorable , few days i over heard a few kids saying i have a thick ass. I was getting compliments from my parents about the dress but i hated it i wanted to get it off it was too tight on my skin.
also before this i did another dress and my mom said i needed bigger boobs for it which made me almost run upstairs and break down cause i want the opposite of that.
next thing i know my mom and dad are gonna be asking when im getting a bf or gf anytime soon probably and im just gonna go:
sorry, this isnt what i usually post, i jusst wanted to get this off my chest
#nonbinary#im doing slightly better but i never felt the same wearing a dress for the rest#also im doing a roxas cosplay for halloween#and i swear to god if they figure out a way to feminize that outfit-
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fuck akuroku as a ship btw not only because its pedophilic because thats obviously a huge issue. but also i think we should be able to have platonic relationships with the same amount of devotion as any romance. not everyone who loves each other is in love DEREK.
#not trying to downplay the issues with it being pedophilic because thats actually a huge issue#context for my non kh moots#as of kh3 lea/axel is roughly late 20s#maybe early 30s depending on how old he was in bbs#and roxas is (physically) 14-16 (hes only been alive for a bit over a year#but also what i want to say#axel and roxas have an amazingly written relationship#theyre two of the strongest characters in the series in terms of writing honestly#their dynamic in canon is two best friends who at the end of the day just want to stay together#but due to circumstances and also a bit of axel keeping secrets shit falls apart#when you get to kh2 roxas is gone and axel will do literally ANYTHINNG to bring him back#he doesnt care about his own life or soras or anyone else who stands in his way because he is going to get his friend back#axels role as an antagonist later in kh2 comes from his devotion#he wants roxas back. he says himself he wanted to see roxas again because he made him feel as though he had a heart#in the end he gives up and dies to protect sora#and i think a lot of people take 'he made me feel like i had a heart' out of context to say its romantic#at face value its easy to interpret it that way but in context he goes on to say 'its funny... you make me feel the same' to sora#the way i interpreted it at least wasnt that he was in love but that both roxas and sora's love for others radiated onto him#if we look at days (i know. sacrelige for a kh2 discussion. fuck you) axel is constantly questioning why roxas acts like he has a heart#he straight up asks him why he does that and roxas is confused. thats just how he is#<- context for that conversation is that roxas is upset on xions behalf because saïx called her a mistake#what he means by 'having a heart' is feeling things and caring about things and there is no inherent romantic connotation#he means in the most literal sense that roxas made him care about things. we dont know what exactly that was referencing in kh2#but we can take a pretty good fucking guess#but lets look at com for a second because theres a scene talking about the other half of that line#axel goes behind everyones back to do something to help sora and naminé and after he does he is SHOCKED to realize hes enjoying it#and then he says 'you really ARE something!' about sora#at least as of kh2 what they meant was feeling emotions. roxas made axel feel as though he had emotions. he made him feel like he could feel#anyways. what im saying is axels line could be taken as something romantic but i think its more interesting than that#i dont have enough tags left to continue word vomiting sorry </3
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rememebred everyones kh3 outfits and now im annoyed again
#twilight town people you were robbed so hard.......#its like. roxas in his normal outfit...this is fine its iconique i wish he got new threads but again this is acceptable anyways#the classic kingdom hearts look#xion. the black and ehite look is cute and while similar in style to kairi is different enough to be her own style and the colors are ones i#i associate with her...needs more classic khness but im fine with the results either way#axel..............................i discovered the shirt under the vest is like. a deep deep DEEP like maroon??????? and plaid of course#i think????? cant fucking tell either way it just looks like hes wearing different shades of black. similar in style to his old bbs outfit w#with enough org13 influence to be like yeah hes older with new experiences but hes still the same#HOWEVER. the all black look is simply lazy. like. u gave him a whole ass color palette in bbs and then refuse to add even a HINT of color#like im not saying make his outfit bright and colorful like in bbs and i admit axel in black is more recognizable than anything but like#come on not even a scarf as a call back? nothing to tie him back to who he was? nothing to be like yeah hes grown as a person? hes different#but still the same? LAZY. like come on what the fuck. ZERO of the classic kh style too its just a guy in modern wear i hate it#like congrats you made a man with flaminr red hedgehog hair look normal#he was so right for wearing the organization cloak until the end#AND THEN ISA??? its like. isa is what axel could have been. give him a little more blue instead of black AGAIN and its like yeah this is#this is saix who used to be isa who used to be saix etc like that is a man whos life experienced has changed him but he still remains the sa#same deep inside. now get rid of the fucking BLACK..#dont even get me started on the twilight trio what the hell literally ZERO of their previous personalities theyre all wearing fucking black#none of that old 2000s teenager energy its again LAZY. i hate these designs so much all of them everyone literally why#i have lamented abt riku so many times too but this time its abt the colors like literally who is that and where is rikus yellow#AND KAIRIS.........GIRL WHO IS THAT!!!! SHES TOO COZY!!!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TOMBOY LOOK OF KH1 AND THE SPORTY LOOK IN KH2#'its cuz shes older 🙄' NOT BT MUCH?#i appreciate kairis scenes with axel bc its the closest wr get to her normal personality when shes not acting as a character crutch for sora#but again CLOSEST bc i still think shes too like. soft? literally whereee is her fire where is it where is the girl that swuared up againstx#that squared up against saix wheres the girl that jumped off a balcony to fist fight heartless when she didnt even have a keyblade#girl where#theres no fire under her!!!!!#fucking hell#im annoyed abt everything now#michi tag
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Every time I think about how people refuse to believe that Xehanort put the sigil in Kairi's name to track her to the islands, I'm sitting here like how do y'all think the org found Roxas so fast?
#kingdom hearts#kh#and that's without mentioning the x on a shirt#we literally have 2 (prob more) examples of the sigil being used as a tracking device and yet the sigil being in kairi's name is a reach???#why do y'all think xehanort specified that it was also pronounced 'kye'?#if xehanort thought kairi would lead him to the keyblade wielder why WOULDN'T he find some way to track her???#like do y'all think he shot her into space and hoped for the best???#also once again if you really think about it it took no time for the org to find roxas#like they pretty much found him the same day he got dropped in data twilight town#i'm just saying if they used the sigil to track sora and roxas why wouldn't the same apply to kairi?
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A ship with Sora would honestly just be the EMBODIMENT of "I don't want things to change too much I just wanna be able to hold your hand and stuff." He loves very casually and easily, yet you can FEEL that he loves with his whole heart
#relevant bc discord stuff WAH#ESPECIALLY if you're destiny trio. he'd want exactly what they already have; just fuzzier and warmer#he wouldn't wanna ruin what's already there. so why try and fix it if it ain't broke? just add some cuddles into the mix#the same or similar is probably true with roxas and ven tbh just in slightly different ways#roxas especially would need his own post to talk abt#❛ headcanon: sora.
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thinking about kingdom hearts…..from my position (as a singlet!) the best and most flexibly non-prescriptively instructive plurality media i’ve ever encountered and 99.999999% certain it’s both a) entirely accidental and b) only that good at it literally due to what the writers (and the vast majority of players) would call mistakes and plot holes. i obviously do not know how relatable it is to systems, but it definitely is literally The fallback example i, as a singlet, refer back to for every single Hard To Grok and Metaphysically Bewildering nuance in how plurality works in all its myriad and ruleless and apparently-contradictory forms......too bad it is also kingdom hearts.
#eg why are some nobodies a different person (roxas/sora) than their somebody why are some nobodies the same person (axel/lea)#why are some nobodies the 'actual' person while some somebodies are the 'actual' person? etc#why are ventus and vanitas simultaneously not-whole and yet have evolved too far to recombine into a whole? why is repliku real but#also a figment. why are certain introjects (xion) real and different from both kairi and sora. why is traumagenic/not nonpredictive of this#well it's because of the way each one self-defines themselves and also how each one evolved along their different streams of consciousness.#snowballs picking up life-histories and this bulk negotiating with agency and selfconception to result in decisions about their personhoods#xemnas's monologue about hearts-development in DDD and how he lied to Org XIII to manipulate them into a prescriptive theory of selfhood#and so on and so forth.....the sora system with its splits (sora roxas) soulbonds (sora ventus) etc is so immense...#on the other hand it is kingdom hearts and disney worlds make up a large part of its playtime.....pensive#kingdom hearts#multiplicity#coal sings#soulstuff
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there's something so deeply ironic about "i am me. nobody else!" being paralleled to sora's "you are you and nobody else. you have your own heart inside of you." roxas's declaration of his identity as only himself (denying any connection to sora) retroactively becoming an echo of sora's words is just. painful, huh
#star says#kingdom hearts#roxas kingdom hearts#esp bc he says this line in response to riku saying he's sora's nobody which is in response to#sora's words coming out of roxas's mouth.#he literally denies the fact in the same way it was confirmed.#re:com has an incredible story and imo the saddest. but this line hit me especially
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here's a fun coincidence I recently noticed:
the music tracks Aqua and Roxas both open with the same first two notes, in the same key, played on the same instrument
#aqua#roxas#it's neat how the primary protagonists of the two most tragic games in the series have character themes that start the same way#and by it's neat I mean it hurts
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yesssss its all coming together (imagining sora and roxas conversations in my brain)
#i think roxas would be losing his mind in a bad way about having the same face as someone he doesnt even know#he didnt sign up for that one.
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fresh static snow is a heart hotel song. not elaborating
#.text#sorry im feeling a ways tonight. none of them ever officially meet they barely say any words to each other#outside of roxas and xion#but roxas still saw sora and his heart and said thats why it has to be you.#and ventus has been in sora's heart his whole life seeking shelter. he protected him when sora needed it most#they said so few words to each other. sora has the face of the person ventus hates the most.#and still he became soras armor and his shield#xion gave up her life for roxas. but she said that sora is the reason shes alive. and she is thankful for that.#and yet they had never even met.#fresh static snow. oh my god. even though i'll never know your name i'll cry for you the same.#do you even get it.#i love them so much...
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my thoughts on ddd basically boil down to "great game! kill the story with fire and sticks." which i think is about the coldest take ever. do not get me started on how nobodies having hearts is a dumbfuck plot twist i am so full of rage over that.
#it ruins roxas' entire character i swear#also sidenote soras evidence for nobodies having hearts is. hilarious#his examples are xion; namine; roxas; and axel#xion isnt even a nobody#namine is only considered a nobody on a technicality#roxas is generally an exception to a lot of nobody rules. also him having emotions and that being an abnormality is like. a plot point#and axel generally doesnt have emotions! he only ever has them relating to sora or roxas and he is genuinely shocked the first time he-#-realizes that he can feel something because of them#he literally dies saying '[roxas] made me feel like i had a heart... its funny- you make me feel the same way'#that weird ability they have to make axel feel things is a big part of why he cares so much about roxas and sora#and to say that 'he actually had a heart' is just a bad misinterpreting of what was already there#and if i didnt know any better i would assume there was a different writer for this game#its poorly thought out and directly contradicted on multiple occasions#plus you cant tell me xemnas really tricked all these people into thinking they didnt have hearts. like. at the very least VEXEN would have#also if they always felt things and xemnas gaslighted them into thinking it wasnt real#then why would axel notice anything special about sora and roxas at all. wouldnt he just treat emotions caused by them like everything else#-and talk himself into thinking they werent real? like its just not thought out#also to me it makes xemnas a less interesting villain. i dont mind his big secret plot i think its fine honestly.#but i much prefer the option of xemnas taking advantage of people who were desperate to him gaslighting and lying#its more personal taste but like. idk#also literally do not get me started on how this twist sucks for roxas' character. its just plain bad for him.#he fought tooth and nail and fucking died saying he deserved to exist whether or not he had a heart#and to look at him and go 'dont worry you get one now' is just bad! and i hate it!!#anyways. i fucking despise this games story#kingdom hearts#doodles#sora#roxas#riku#lea
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Do you think it's weird that I was fine with Roxas finding out he was Sora's Nobody in Kingdom Hearts, but Adrien not being what we thought he was triggered my ick factor a lot? Do you think it's because we learned that about Roxas before we had a lot of time to get attached to him?
I was initially going to say that I can't answer this because I've only played Kingdom Hearts 1, so my knowledge of the later games is pretty limited. Then I remembered that my little brother is both obsessed with those games and the Mycroft to my Sherlock*, so I gave him a call and got the expert opinion (and a reminder that I need to play the Kingdom Hearts games so that my brother can talk about them with someone who understands story telling because those games apparently make a lot of... interesting choices.)
Here is the sum of my brother's analysis:
The two properties handled the concept of personhood and artificial beings in such wildly different ways that it would never even occur to him to compare them (though it was an interesting question once posed). A good portion of the later Kingdom Hearts games revolve around asking what a person even is. Should they try to make the Nobodies into people? Do the Nobodies even need to change to be people or are they people already? What makes Roxas different from other Nobodies? These questions start being asked very early on and, for all the story's flaws, you can tell that the writers are aware that they're dealing with a serious topic and that they're trying to do it justice.
Meanwhile, Miraculous introduces artificial beings who don't have true free will and then... completely ignores all of the ethical implications of that plot point. Emilie and Gabriel are good parents. The fact that the heroes have been killing off sentimonsters isn't concerning. Gabriel's commands are just a minor inconvenience to Adrienette and not anything that needs to be explored in a deeper way. He's still totally redeemable and it's fine that Adrien never learned the truth while his father was alive so that he could decide what that meant for their relationship on his own terms.
Given all of that, it's really not shocking that Kingdom Hearts makes you feel invested while Miraculous repulses you because the Miraculous introduced human sentimonsters for cheap shock value to the point where I firmly believe that it was a retcon. Meanwhile Kingdom Hearts planned major elements of the plot around the concept and set it up right from the start of the second game. If Miraculous had done the same kind of thing, then I doubt that most salters would be deeply upset by the concept. They still might dislike it, but it would be seen more as a matter of taste than as a true flaw.
*For those who don't know, Mycroft Holmes is Sherlock Holmes' older brother. Sherlock openly admits that Mycroft is the smarter and more observant of the two siblings. The same can be said of my sibling when it comes to story telling. Everything I can do, he can do just as well or even better. He's never seen miraculous, but knows the major plot beats from a mix of cultural osmosis and reading the occasional fanfic when an author he likes crosses fandoms. He is highly amused that no one he follows does anything save for fix-it type stuff and says it tells him everything he needs to know about canon's writing quality, an assessment I fully agree with.
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There is something so intrinsically interesting to me about Eraqus’ relationship with his students. The fact that he raised them, trained them, cared about them, and then he hurt them all the while thinking what he was doing was what’s right.
What’s even more interesting is, how, if he would have lived, the Wayfinders would have taken it. Would they have forgiven him, or refused forgiveness? Would they let him back in, or be hesitant? How would their relationship change?
There’s something very interesting in Eraqus being able to change and the Wayfinders being able to get the closure they want/need and being able to move on to a brighter future for all of them, where Eraqus is more open-minded, and is the adult the others (*cough* Sora, Kairi, Riku, and the Sea Salt Family *cough*) so very much need.
But, there’s also something so interesting in them never being able to get that happy ending. They have to move on, and they will, through blood, sweat, and tears they will. But they have so many questions they can never get the answers to.
What’s also so interesting is Eraqus coming back to a world that’s so different. How would Eraqus react to a new world? To Riku, who reminds him oh so much of Xehanort yet proved every inch of Eraqus’ deep-rooted beliefs wrong? To Sora, who in every way reminds him of himself when he was young? To Roxas and Xion and Namine, three kids who were never meant to exist and who were used the same way Ventus was? To Lea, who goes far beyond lengths of reason to get what he wants and protect who he loves (and who reminds Eraqus so much of himself, dear Kingdom Hearts Eraqus also will go to extreme lengths to protect who he loves, and it led him astray).
GAH I just love this messed up family.
#don’t mind me I’m just having thoughts about the messed up KH family again#kingdom hearts#KH eraqus#wayfinder trio#also mentioned:#kh riku#kh sora#kh roxas#kh xion#kh namine#kh ventus
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heres the thing abt kairi. i don't think she's poorly written, i think she's poorly executed. like there's a conflict/lack of cohesive vision for her and they're trying to shoehorn her into a role she does not fit.
nomura, from kh1, has clearly always wanted kairi to remain a link to the past/manifestation of fond memories of childhood/like a bittersweet hometown that isn't quite the same when you come back as an adult. that's the role he has consistently, persistently assigned to her. and there's nothing wrong with that. not every character ever has to take an active role and be a hero and do Things. sometimes characters exist to embody an allegory, or symbolism, or an idea. that was kairi, initially. embodiment of home, safety, comfort, childhood. for that matter, riku was the future, the unknown, growing up and letting childhood go. sora, of course, a boy coming of age and being torn between the two.
so consequently i've never understand the choice to make her a keyblade wielder when she's already a princess of heart twice over. like it or not the princesses of heart have an established role in the story and it's not fighting on the front lines. she could have been a leader and taken an active role in her own way if they really wanted, without ever needing to hold a keyblade and be a Chosen One, Also!(tm). in this way she also would have maintained a cohesive narrative role in the story. her path would still be diverging from sora's, and it would be as bittersweet and nostalgic as it was in kh1 without the clownery than her involvement in endgame kh2 onward has been mired in.
what clownery, you ask? kairi literally cannot grow as a person while in sora's orbit. we've seen it happen again and again, any growth she gets is away from sora and any time she's near him she regresses as a character. this is because, again, she is absolutely cemented in the minds of the writers as The Nostalgic Past that sora is holding onto. in the context of the kh narrative, she can literally be nothing else to him. there's no more growth to be had between them. hence, every time their relationship ends up the focus in a scene you can't help but feel the rapidly growing distance between where they once were vs where they now are as individuals. this relationship can, imo, ONLY be regressive to both of them in the context of kh's overarching narrative where kairi is constantly (and overtly) being framed as Sora's Idealized Childhood. or, as a prize he 'wins' when the story ends. the two are fairly connected in kh.
back on track, having kairi remain a princess of heart and not a keyblade wielder also would've solved the problem of the writing team having to shelve/fridge her every time they want riku+sora to go on another romantic getawa - uhhh adventure together. like she was asleep for a year post kh3? and now she's going to train with aqua while riku goes to rescue the love of his l - i mean bestest best boy friend again? you're joking.
it just stinks of trying to girlbossify a character so she can 'keep up' with her male counterparts in the eyes of media illiterate consumers who associate a lack of a weapon with a lack of power. dawg we're past that. female characters can be relevant, important, interesting and powerful without following in the exact footsteps of their male counterparts. and this is to say nothing of kairi's keyblade bequeathing being a relative accident and how it creates a pretty glaring plot hole because somehow xion and roxas, sora's nobodies, can wield keyblades at will but namine can't? okay. yes, perhaps we just haven't been 'shown' her wielding a keyblade. maybe. but i think it seriously indicates that they had no intention of making kairi a keyblade wielder in the first place.
and don't get me wrong, if they intended on changing/overhauling her role going forward i would understand making her not just a wielder but a guardian of light. problem is, they have already established she's not going to be fighting/active in the next game. she is, yet again, the home they are returning to and not the future they're moving towards. this, consequently, will continue causing some major tonal dissonance among those who either consciously or unconsciously recognize that kairi is not meant to be where she is currently placed in the narrative. she's SHOWN to be just a regular girl who still to this day does not particularly want to go adventuring, and yet we're TOLD again and again that she's a warrior now, riding on sora and riku's coattails regrettably. it's just so tonally off.
#kingdom hearts#tagging this as#soriku#because im one of Those myself and i feel like it has given me some specific Views on this subject#people have no doubt already said this because kh meta has been meta'd to death over the last like 2 decades but here be my conclusions#dont take it too seriously this is some pretty subjective stuff and i just love musing#kh#.txt
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