#rotg older sophie

[freak-like-meemy]

Don't mind me, I just edited Elizabeth from Seven Deadly Sins to look like an older Sophie Bennett. 😙

[midoristeashop]

I remember the first time I watched rotg, my personal theory was that Jack’s lil sis (emily?? Flee?? Mary??) reincarnated as the wind. Maybe she had some idea who this strange danger-prone boy was, but all she knew is that this was gonna be her bestie for like 300 years and more.

But yay! Older brothers with their eccentric little sisters 😌 I aged up Wind (I’ll call jack’s sis that so sue me) for shits and giggles, but also so jame and Sophie have TWO older sibling figures cuz why not

Also Sophie Bennett deserves more doodles cuz she’s too darn precious

Also Wind is a total girlboss

I might draw more of them <3

[stormingfrost]

guardians ages?

I have been a bit curious (and in desperate need of some fun facts about these characters) so have some canonical info about these characters ages and the frustrating inconsistencies in some of them (oh inconsistent lore, how I loathe you)

Sophie Bennett - she is 2 years old (rotg script and rotg movie novelization

Jamie Bennett - he is both 8 and 10 years old (the art of rotg and worlds of wonder)

Jack Frost - he is 14, 17, and 18 (and in the books, he can manipulate his age from 11 to 18) (William Joyce, Peter Ramsey, the rotg app, worlds of wonder, guide to the guardians, McDonalds profile card, book five of the Goc series, and William Joyce again)

Katherine - she grows up to be 25, and can manipulate her age from 12 to 25 (book five of the Goc series) she’s also dating Jack (which makes the scene of them arguing and him getting younger and her getting older just. So weird. Why, Joyce, why?)

Sandy - he is the oldest and wisest of the guardians (worlds of wonder, McDonald’s profile card, the art of rotg, and guide to the guardians)

North - in the goc books, he doesn’t know his age (book one in the goc series)

Tooth - younger than the wind but as old as the mountains and her implied age to be closer to whatever Jack is supposed to be (the rotg app, art of rise of the guardians, and the rotg script)

(Video description: a clip of the Filmmaker’s commentary. Peter Ramsey is talking over a clip of the movie when the Guardians collect teeth and Jack and Tooth interact. Peter Ramsey is saying ‘Jack and Tooth have a little semi flirtation, Guillermo Del Toro was always like, ‘come on, we got to give them a love story! Jack’s got to be a heartthrob, I urge you!’ End description)

[twisting-echo]

How old Perla, Gonzalo and Timoteo a.k.a. Timmy would be if they were humans in your opinion?

Ah, a very good question! Hmmm, I think that they would be no older than Sophie Bennett from ROTG, who is around two to three years old. I was initially going to say five, but given that they're not that communicative, I went younger.

You know it's funny; I have a lot of AUs for PIB, and a human AU with these three little angels is too cute. 🥰

[rotg-goc-headcanons]

Sophie was left with such fear after Tooth presented her with a handful of bloody teeth that until she understood that yes sweetie, all teeth will be bloody when they come out, and yes, they’re attached to your gums she cleaned her teeth vigorously, always afraid there would be blood and gum on her teeth. Tooth was upset she’d scared Sophie, but pleased with the clean teeth she always received from her afterwards.

[sylphidine]

[ROTG] Shielded In My Armor

Written for @rotgsecretsanta for Prompt #18... “Jack/older Jamie - Jamie is getting bullied or is having a hard time making friends and Jack comes to visit him at college.“

Sorta-kinda songfic, wrapped around Simon & Garfunkel’s “I Am A Rock”.  Angst alert.

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A winter’s day

In a deep and dark December

I am alone

Gazing from my window

To the streets below

On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow

I am a rock

I am an island

It was nice to be the one being hugged for once, instead of always having to initiate the hugging. Jamie let himself relax for the first time in months, leaning his head against Jack’s shoulder, feeling the rapidly-dissipating chill of Jack’s hoodie against his cheek.  This had been a longer-than-usual semester for him since he’d transferred to a four-year university after a year at community college.  Moving away from home, leaving friends and family, finding out that even among the weird kids he was just too weird to hang out with… Jamie needed Jack now.

And apparently Jack needed him.

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I build walls

A fortress deep and mighty

That none may penetrate

I have no need of friendship

Friendship causes pain

It’s laughter and it’s loving I disdain

I am a rock

I am an island

Jamie noticed the differences in the Burgess Believers between the first summer after high school graduation, when everyone was still at home and happy to hang out with each other, and the second summer, when those who were in college or on their way there had things to talk about that the ones who were joining the work world did not, and long awkward silences replaced never-ending conversations.

He’d convinced himself that after all their years of living on the same street, he and Pippa were meant to be together as soulmates, ignoring all her wise words about the strength of platonic love.

He’d convinced himself that the bond of their experiences fighting the Boogeyman would override the personality differences between him and Cupcake, and that theirs would be an eternal friendship, ignoring the signs of her envy of his stable family life.

He’d convinced himself that he and the twins would always share the same interests since they’d known each other since kindergarten, ignoring that Caleb was a completely separate person from Claude and not an interchangeable cog.

He’d convinced himself that Monty would always be shy and awkward, ignoring the facts right in front of him that confidence can be gained and make a person stronger without any visible clues. 

He'd convinced himself that Sophie would always need him to lean on, more than he'd ever need to lean on her. 

Having his convictions shattered had an equally shattering effect on him.

The differences didn’t seem to affect anyone's status as Believers; they all still had fervent faith in the existence of the Guardians, and that faith still bound the seven of them to having something in common. But the dynamics of their group kept changing, slowly and inexorably; too often Jamie heard of Jack visiting the others one at a time, rather than Jack visiting when two or four of them were together in the same place.

[It was rare that they were ALL together in the same place, that second summer.] 

He hated that he was relieved to go off to the school he despised, but which would give him a good degree, rather than being upset at  behind.

Jamie hated change, and wanted to stop Time.

So when Jack flew in his window at uni just before Finals week, Jamie was very happy for the constancy of an immortal frost spirit.

They lay together on Jamie’s bed, arms wrapped around one another.  Jamie had never been more thankful about landing a single in his dorm; transfer students usually didn’t get so lucky.

“I… am a… O-bli-GATE CAR-nivore.” Jack kissed Jamie on the nose and used a hint of teeth, just because he could. “And you… you are…”

“Crazy for putting up with you.”

“I am wounded! I die! Oh, farewell, cruel world!” At that, Jamie kissed Jack back.

The vinyl record kept spinning on the turntable, spilling out glittering guitar-strummed melody and bitter dual harmony.

Don’t talk of love

Oh I’ve heard the word before

It’s sleeping in my memory

I won’t disturb the slumber

Of feelings that have died

If I’d never loved I never would have cried

I am a rock

I am an island

I have my books

And my poetry to protect me

I am shielded in my armor

Hiding in my room

Safe within my womb

I touch no one and no one touches me

I am a rock

I am an island

They were each lost in their own thoughts as the album side ended and the turntable clicked itself off. After a long moment, Jamie blurted out, “How did you ever manage to stop yourself from becoming this guy?  Three hundred years alone, humans not able to see you, other spirits either ignoring you or actively hostile to you… seriously, why aren’t you, like, totally an emotionally detached sociopath?”

Jack took far too long to answer, and Jamie’s heart thumped, and his brain shouted at him, he’s going to leave you too!

Finally Jack replied, “Every kid I ever saw, even if they never saw me... they had fun when I was around. I made a difference in their lives, even if they never knew who did it. I had all of you kids to show off for, year after year, until your generation opened its eyes and believed in me.” His voice thickened. “And hopefully generations after you will keep believing in me.”

Jamie hugged Jack tighter as the frost spirit shuddered, cold tears and warm trickling from two sets of eyes.

And a rock feels no pain.

And an island never cries.

[pame-chan-arts]

E. Aster Bunnymund have a family? And other theories about ROTG

Well, i saw a video which explained that in the original script of rise of the guardians, when Bunnymund carry Sophie in his arms, his face calms and “remember” past´s things.

I seached and found this:

The theory in the video is that Bunnymund had a family before became the last pooka (refering about the books); but it looks in this media (the movie) that he was like Jack, this means he lived, had a family, and died.

In fact everybody where as Jack, they lived in a distant age and died, maybe trying to save a kid (of course, they are guardians of childhood).  I´m curious if Bunnymund had a daughter or a son, and he died trying to have her/him...

(This make all the scenes of Bunnymund and Sophie more emotionals, agh *cries*)

Continuing, probably related to their deaths their power where born, some as Jack who tried to relax his sister making a game and became the guardian of fun; probably their lives and deaths are related to their powers.

Last thing to say about Bunnymund is that he probably was a native australian, that would explain a lot why he don´t have any clothes in the movie; and those tattoo may were (before he died) traditional body paintings.

Another questions i have is that Tooth said she was like 440 years not working, did she become a guardian in that age? 

Is implied she had more work as guardian, that´s why Jack Frost mentioned he didn´t want became a guardian: Because all the duties and “time lost”, he only wanted to play. So,Tooth probably is older that 440 years (thinking that Jack wait 300 years to being a guardian), who know how old her death is.

And, at the start of movie she don´t know all the process of select a guardian, so maybe she was the last guardian in join. I´m curious when all the others died, before 500 years since now (1500 AC) and probably after the dark age as is implied by Pitch (if was after the decline of Roman, it was 476 AC). So, everybody died between 480-1500. This is pretty interesting because I thought that North was Nicholas of Bari (the “real” Santa Claus), but how this saint died in year 347, probably he is not that Nicholas (and have sense since Nicholas of Bari was turkish, not russian).

That´s pretty all by now, and sorry for my bad english, not my native tongue, and for all the disorder. I love this movie, sad i saw recently and i have nobody to talk with.

[zuzuhe]

1. Jack’s Sister’s name is “Mary Overland”. 

The fandom came up with the fake name “Emma” from either the marvel character named “Emma Frost”, or Emma was just a common name back then. (There have been other nicknames, like Jill as in “Jack and Jill” too.)

Originally when asked, William Joyce said her nickname was “Flee”, but later contradicted himself in saying “Flee” was Tooth’s sister’s name. Either way, “Flee” was merely a nickname. It was later revealed her name in the movie would have been “Mary Overland”. This seems to be the most plausible name because William has a knack for naming characters after his family. His son is named "Jackson”, and his daughter’s name is “Mary Katherine”. I think its safe to say Mary Overland is indeed her true name. 

2. Tooth’s Human Form 

Tooth was drawn as a human child in the books, but in the “Creating an Epic” (behind the scenes content in the ROTG christmas edition) we see a movie version and an older version of human Tooth animated in 2D at the end of the credits. There have been many conceptual forms of Toothiana, but this is the first human design pushed enough to make it featured near the end of special content. I’d like to consider this human design canon. 

3. Tooth’s sister: “Vanish” 

Vanish has had a lot of controversy behind her character. William Joyce had stated Tooth has a younger sister named “Vanish”, yet not such character has ever been alluded to in the book series or movie at all. “Flee” was a nickname mistakenly given to Jack’s sister, but William later noted “Flee” was supposed to be associated with Tooth’s sister “Vanish”, which would seem more plausible since ‘Flee’ and ‘Vanish’ have the same meaning. 

However, her name “Vanish”, and her existence as a whole is questionable. There have been several other images/contexts in concept arts where this image of ‘Vanish’ is merely a book design of Tooth’s mini fairies; this has also claimed to be merely a concept design of Tooth herself, and there’s also been an odd framed picture of this image with a name plate that reads something along the lines of “Tippy” (?) the Tooth Fairy. 

Vanish is by far the strangest case in this fact list. Its unknown whether she truly is canon or not even within the books. Its unknown whether this situation will ever be cleared up. 

(also I added a picture I drew of Vanish myself with colors just because I think she’s cute regardless of her controversy) 

4. Jamie Bennett’s Parents 

Jamie’s mother has a straight up model in the concept art book. However, unbeknownst to many, a concept art image of his father and mother(without glasses) can be found in the ROTG Jamie’s Room Previs Reel here. (scroll down for it) I found this intriguing, for the movie typically keeps the parent’s faces out of view. Also, its worth noting that in that picture, we see another character’s head out of frame to the right next to Jamie, whom I assume is Sophie, but her hair isn’t a light blonde. Also, its interesting to note that Jamie’s mother is considered a single working mom in the official movie. So at some point the ROTG writers must have taken Jamie’s father out of the picture, and I’ve always wondered why. 

5. Pitch’s Uniform 

In the books, Kozmotis Pitchiner is known as a general. I’ve seen many fan designs of what his armor could possibly look like, but there’s been two concept images of William Joyce’s for Pitch, one of early possession where he still wears his uniform, and one of late possession. These two designs are akin to heavy machinery, and the left one (his golden age uniform supposedly still upon him) looks similar to a pirate with that eyepatch. I wish we see a true untainted golden age Kozmotis drawn by William someday. 

6. Jack’s Staff: “Twiner” 

It was mentioned a few years ago by William that Jack’s staff was actually alive, and went by the name “Twinetender”, however in his most recent post on instagram, he has now toned down the name to simply: “Twiner”. He is said to be a branch broken from an ancient willow that resides upon an indigenous native american burial ground. Twiner is supposedly a spirit that possesses great strength fueled from the deceased warriors he shared the land with when he was still part of the great willow. In the movie, its clear Jack’s staff is just a piece of wood that amplified his power, like a wizard’s wand, useless without its wielder. 

7. Beardless North 

(or rather hairless North) is just something I threw in there, since many people, (such as myself) have difficulty figuring out the shape of North’s head when I draw him. Knowing his exact ear and chin shape will help, and it could help people whom wish to draw North younger too, as he were so in the books. 

8. Mother Nature’s name

This is actually quite common knowledge, but “Seraphina Pitchiner” is a widely used name for Pitch’s daughter in the books. The ROTG wiki page had proclaimed the name came from William Joyce in one of his interviews, but I, and many others like the wiki admins, have done thorough research and have found no such evidence. “Seraphina” was such an adopted name and very space-like, when her true name came out in the books as simple english ‘Emily-Jane’ many fans became upset and confused. I am unsure if William has been confronted about the ‘Seraphina’ controversy, but in all honesty with his name mishaps that have happened with Jack and Tooth’s sisters so often, I would actually not be surprised if there was indeed a time William claimed her name to be ‘Seraphina’ and later changed his mind. I will edit this post if William comments about this situation. I hope we get clarity sometime for this. 

9. Unappreciated Settings

In the “Creating an Epic” and in many concept artist portfolio pages, there’s heavy background concept art that involves Sandman’s original ship/island/cloud, and Bunnymund’s original unnatural tunnel system. There’s even been clearer designs of Pitch’s layer, and Jack’s home town. There was a concept artist hired who even did work for the Nightmare Galleon and golden age space ships for the movie’s early concepts. There’s so many more out there, I hope people appreciate this extensive and intensive world building as much as I do. 

10. Unreleased 

Its been nearly four and a half years since ROTG was released, and in many behind the scenes videos, I spotted tons of blurry unreleased concept arts that look intriguing and fantastic. Surely there’s other story boards and scenes that have been unreleased out there. Take a look here, this is a bad gif, but its a scene where Pitch appears to be talking in the light: 

This is from the “Creating an Epic” , but notice how this wasn’t in the movie, and yet its fully rendered and even as lighting. William Joyce had mentioned a long while ago that Dreamworks actually had shorts in the making of ROTG. One was about Pitch, and the other was about an egg that escaped the Easter Massacre. These shorts were discontinued despite William claiming they were 50 to 70% done, and Dreamworks has refused any further attention to be placed upon their ROTG works. (one of these shorts he claims to be about Man in the Moon, but that was done by HIS studio, not Dreamworks. So its questionable if the Pitch short was really done by Dreamworks or not, but there’s no doubt the egg was by Dreamworks since it was directed by the art director and not William) but now I can say there’s no doubt there IS alternative unreleased material for ROTG out there: shorts, deleted scenes, or otherwise. Its been kept from the fandom for years, which is sad to me. Especially since Dreamworks has made it clear they don’t ever want to come back to this. So all this data and art is just lying around rotting in their studio at this point, when there’s plenty of fans out there who would pay money to just get their hands on one unfinished short released digitally. Hell, I would.  

This post is brought to you by the same person who did the GOC / ROTG distinction a long time ago. I meant to make this post forever now, and I’m actually procrastinating from school just to do this haha.... but even though the fandom is kinda dead, ROTG still has a place in my heart, and I feel like many people have just left because there’s no new materials. But the Jack Frost book will soon come out within the next year, and I hope this post sparks some interest and spreads information, since I’ve known many that are confused by William Joyce’s claims lately. But thank you all for reading! <3 

[sarkisms]

so hoo boy here comes a rant about a Bunch of people because i was thinking about it today and now i wanna get it out of my system and if anyone asks im absolutely going to tell you who they were because im not gonna vagueblog and not offer that though this is less of a callout and more of a vent and im not even interacting w these people much if at all anymore So

mmmmm so starting off w someone i knew for 6 years or so and then blew up at and i feel bad for that still but the blame isnt entirely mine especially when i remember all the stuff she did honestly i just. without her im not sure sarkis would be who he is but also with her he wouldnt either. by the end of our friendship she was ignoring what i was saying, any help i tried to give her in making friends, commented on smut threads (when repeatedly asked not to, which is why im nervous about writing smut now bc this went on for Ages) and laughed "with" me about what i wrote in them, complained when i wouldnt be replying (despite 70+ threads w other people whove been waiting Much longer) then Not replying when i gave them ("i didnt want to burden you youre so busy" why fucking ask for them dont guilt trip me), THEN when complaining we dont have anything but i offer she could bring back old stuff she never replied to i get "oh sarkis is so different from when we started writing those i dont know what do" never mind that that is MY problem not hers??? like there was nothing i could do to help her either ”no one wants to write with me” “i dont think people like my character very much” maybe fucking go interact w people make the first move follow the people ive given you Lists to follow from i dont know!! i cant force you to do anything!!! please help both of us!!!!! there was also the possessive nonsense where anytime i shipped my character w someone else she got upset? that my characters were moving on and not mentioning hers? of course they wouldnt her characters were their SOs and the source of some serious issues and trauma theyre not gonna fuckin bring them up when theyre trying to get over them but shed be mad anyway rhbrbhrh  and eventually it fucking whittled down to like i couldnt do something for her bc she gave me too broad of a task and i was uncomfortable and absolutely refused to help me out?? which just made me drastically anxious??? and also i was having issues bc she refused to respond to rps and i didnt know what else to do so if anyones paying attention you know what happened to her and her character(s) aaaa there was just so much i dunno i miss her a lot but its such a mess and im sure it just,,, we just werent working out at the end i have no idea if itd always been like this or not but i like to hope that it was only that last year or so that got wonky

another person though mmmmm apparently shes been pulling some racist shit and either i just never saw it or she never mentioned anything to me?? that second one is v likely considering she tells different people different things. i just. im sure people are gonna guess who it is but she doesnt have anything to do w me anymore so im not gonna be shy about saying this shit. she tries to be a mother figure for a pile of 20 something year olds and then complains that she, a woman 10+ years older, is not getting emotionally taken care of the same way?? maybe treat other people like theyre on the same level and you wont get stuck in a rut again? also just,, shes been weirdly kinda creepy and gross to other friends (sort of vaguely hinting attraction to them or sort of but not rly hitting on them i??) and just,, i dunno. i kinda miss her. but shes also sort of part of the Group of people i cant interact w anymore so while i miss her i think its better we dont talk anyway i dunno i hope she n her fam are doing well and i wish shed stop acting like she hasnt done anything wrong or like,, i havent done anything to help her bc it Hurt to see her delete me again but im not playing that game i did and i know its wrong and i wont participate anymore unless im leaving for a reason now and i have had another person try this with me and i will not be following back bc im tryna to better yall im not getting dragged back in

then theres that whole group thing that happened that if youve seen before you know who im talking about i wont make any mention directly but jesus im so?? angry sometimes thinking about them all like one girl straight up Lied about what id done they ALL chose to ignore what id been trying to do (check in, frantically, constantly) and claim it as something it wasnt they called me abusive and toxic and manipulative and i have never ever done anything to hurt anyone like that actively and frankly ASKED CONSTANTLY if i was expressing traits like this to be told, CONSTANTLY AND CONSISTENTLY, that i was doing none of that and then right at the end bc i had a meltdown get told i was doing everything?? WHEN ID LEFT, TOO?? its not like any of them couldnt contact me lmao and then they decided they got to talk to me on their time and only their time and im just im not gonna go into the whole thing but boy the lack of self awareness in that group i dont blame them for dropping me still, i really really dont?? but i hope Someone in that fucking group realizes that they did some rudeass shit one of them straight up came at me and i know theres been some blowback and i Know they arent as well liked as they think they are and the hold they have over people by somehow being popular despite being disliked?? its just fear?? i hope everyone comes to their senses and calls them out i hope they all fucking admit shits fucked up in there im still pissed at my last interaction being “ok bye” and then They had to get the last word like i hadnt already agreed to leave lmao,,, sighs loudly

and then!! lastly i doubt shell ever see this but i still like this person but mmm no matter what i say its not good enough and yknow its fine she reminds me of nicole and thats unfortunate i think thats why i dont like talking to her as much now-- its never Enough contact and im tired of being responsible for other peoples attention and i hope no one thinks i hope theyre the sole person that keeps me afloat because thats terrible to put on anyone i hope she fuckin finds a good group of people bc i couldnt help as much as i tried and as little as she did and i Know she didnt put the effort it if she reads this and figures out its her i hope she realizes she isnt doing the shit she needs to and cant blame other people im tired man i love her but im so tired!!! i hope you stay unfollowed until you feel ok with the lack of interaction bc i cant do any better rn real life is getting to me i gotta reorganize priorities im so sorry skjdfgs

im sure all these people would have some shit to say about me so whatever. im p sure some of these people Have been saying shit about me lmao anyway cheers to anyone who reads all of this im fuckin impressed

[sylphidine]

Happy Mother’s Day to Mrs. Bennett!

The prompt on the rotg-kinkmeme that was filled by “Learning To See”.

I always love stories that focus on Jamie, Jack and Sophie's relationship together, but what about their mother? What is she like? Does she hear Jamie and Sophie talk about Jack or Bunnymund or the other Guardians? Does she simply think it their imagination or what?

So, onto the prompt: The mother hears her children talking about a older friend named "Jack" but she isn't sure who it is, but sadly enough that isn't a surprise to her. The mother is a single mother and she works to support her children so she isn't always around to watch over them. But she sees pictures by Jamie of the guardians and hears Sophie talk about the Easterbunny and sees frost drawlings on the windows and starts to wonder a little but dismisses it. But then something happens like she slips and falls down the stairs (or something more creative, idk)but somehow snow is suddenly there to cushion her or the wind slows her down and she's save from what would've been death or a really bad injury. The mother is shocked and rightfully scared but she doesn't say anything in fear of people thinking she's loony and taking her kids away from her. She slowly asks Jamie about his friend Jack, and asking him what he can do, and Jamie gleefully tells her to where she actually believes him and in Jack so she goes to the kitchen so she doesn't have a breakdown in front of her kids. She hears a noise and it's Jack, going to check on her and she can see Jack! She lets out a startled yelp and Jack is surprised too. After a long talk with Jack and her children, the mother feels for Jack with maternal feelings (300 years alone after saving his little sister with no memories! oh the feels!) and she tells Jack that he's always welcomed to stay with them. * If when Jack and the mother meet for the first time, the mother think he's one of the weird thug/punks that snuck into the house and tries to hit him with the frying pan, much to Jack's shock. ** If Jack has a certain day of the week (when not on Guardian duty or whatever) where they all get together and watch a movie or eat dinner together *** If Jack has his own room at the house now because of his growing closeness with the family. *x ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD: If Bunny is visiting at the same time as Jack and the guardians and the kids are in one room and the mother walks in and tells the kids to behave and go to bed at a reasonable time and then talks to Jack and ask if he would put them to bed at at good time and then goes to bed, leaving a stunned Bunny, smirking Jack, and giggling kids. I really wanna see some shelling out for the mother and lots of family love-ness! Please do this and I'll love you forever and a day!