#rhaena daughter of laena

[ladydreamfyyreee]

𝐀𝐥𝐲𝐬 & 𝐀𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐝’𝐬 𝐬𝐨𝐧, 𝐕𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐬 𝐈𝐈, 𝐉𝐚𝐞𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐫𝐲𝐬, 𝐃𝐚𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐞𝐫𝐚, 𝐉𝐚𝐞𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐫𝐚, 𝐀𝐞𝐠𝐨𝐧 𝐈𝐈𝐈, 𝐕𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐲𝐚, 𝐌𝐚𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐫, & 𝐑𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐧𝐚’𝐬 𝟔 𝐝𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬.

𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐫𝐭 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 : ( @𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐳𝐲𝐭𝐨𝐦𝟎𝟕𝟏𝟐 )

[sunnysideaeggs]

one of the worst things of the race bend of the velaryons, once again: a black show character getting a worse treatment than their white book counterpart. book rhaena going to the vale as a cherished and welcomed ward, living in comfort and enjoyment. show rhaena? well, she gets some eggs and her stepmother’s kids to take care of. a nanny. a nanny of white children. while she’s a kid herself. i can’t

[thetullystark]

thank you again @riotarttherite!! i love these amazing portraits <33 this is how imagine the next gen after the dance to look like when their adults (im aware visenya was a still birth and we have no idea what happened to alys/aemonds son but imagine them here happy) the rest are mentioned in f&b but don’t get enough recognition 

From Left to Right—

Meagon Rivers bastard son of alys and aemond, Gaemon Palehair bastard son of aegon ii

Laena Velaryon daughter of baela and alyn, Visenya Targaryen daughter of rhaenyra and daemon

Leyla Hightower daughter of rhaena and garmund, Ceryse Hightower daughter of rhaena and garmund

Lianna Hightower daughter of rhaena and garmund, Aerea Hightower daughter of rhaena and garmund

Alyssa Hightower daughter of rhaena and garmund, Rhaella Hightower daughter of rhaena and garment

[horizon-verizon]

I’m not sure if you’ve seen the latest controversy from some trivia interview that the cast did in which the question “which dragon is the mother of Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal” or something along the lines and the answer was Syrax— it has of course caused outrage amongst TG because ‘HeLaEnAs dRaGOn iS tHEiR mOm’ (which honestly I think one of the biggest injustices that has emerged from hotd is Dreamfyre being significantly known as Helaena’s dragon and not Rhaena’s when Helaena canonically had nothing to really do with Dreamfyre) anyways, I had always thought that Dreamfyre being their mother was at this point just theory because of the dragon eggs being stolen by Elissa Farman and taken to Pentos. Is it confirmed that Dreamfyre is the mother?

*EDITED POST* (8/1/24)

Oh I've seen it, weirdly enough. I was starving for some Emma and Matt stuff bc they're both so good (my appreciation for Emma as an observer and actor has recently skyrocketed).

Not in the specific sense that no character has SAID "Dany's eggs are Dreamfyre's". But yes it's pretty damn obvious if you pay attention, thus it is canon. Not everything should be spelled out for people.

There is so much more reason, logical reason, to believe that Dreamfyre is the mother and not Syrax bc no special attention is given to any of Syrax's eggs besides she had many of them and Rhaena of Pentos (Laena's daughter)'s dragon, Morning, was of one of her clutches. While in F&B, Elissa Farman stole 3 eggs, took them to Essos, and they were never recovered...Essos-lived Dany has 3 eggs, Illyrio Mopatis gets these eggs somehow. Occam's razor, it's not a mere coincidence. this is still a fictional story with its own as well as using tried and true narrative conventions, not real history.

Morning is the last Dance-generation dragon and Rhaena hatched the dragon herself similarly to how Dany does (not by method, just by the fact that she did at all), so this Rhaena is the last dragonrider before Daenerys.

which honestly I think one of the biggest injustices that has emerged from hotd is Dreamfyre being significantly known as Helaena’s dragon and not Rhaena’s when Helaena canonically had nothing to really do with Dreamfyre

Absofucking lutely. If you have been with me long enough, anyone reading this, you'd know I don't play with Rhaena the Black Bride nor do I do with Daenerys Stormborn Mhysa Azor Ahai.

[chachamaru-sama]

Princess Rhaena Targaryen

[thecountesstribe]

And another thing Baela denying being Corlys heir is not her dismissing her Velaryon roots. She's proud to be of house Velaryon. Her mother was a Velaryon, she's a Velaryon also but Corlys offering her the heir position wasn't because it was what Rhaenys wanted, it was because he's lonely, his empire he built is but a shallow tomb, he said it himself. Baela is to be queen of the 7 kingdoms, how exactly was that supposed to work out. Why would she not take being queen over being Lady of Driftmark? Let's not forget to mention how that conversation with Rhaena is supposed to go. “Oh by the way sister, y'know that position you were prepared to fill had you been married and how you feel like you're constantly overlooked, well gramps overlooked you again and named me heir after he scoffed at the idea of you being heir even though you were set to rule alongside your husband”. Once again the family dynamics not being developed properly is what comes back to bite the show in the ass. Had Rhaena been there I honestly think he would've offered her the heir position, she would've taken it, she wants to be useful and help the family. Rhaena was to learn as well, maybe not as much as Luke but for her to rule as lady of Driftmark in her husband's absence she would've had to be taught and Corlys didn't want to teach her. The only reason why Baela probably even knows as much as she does about ruling Driftmark is because Corlys fucked off for six years after that fight with Rhaenys and also because of his grief. Rhaenys ruled in Corlys absence. He hasn't claimed those boys yet either, that's why Rhaenys told him to pass the seat to Rhaena first, then Joff but he said no (he never listened to a word his wife had to say until it was too late 😭). The only reason why Baela ended up as Lady of Driftmark is because after the dance book spoilers the council wanted to marry her off to some Lord that was way too old for her liking and she said fuck that, ran away, bounced into that cheating bum Alyn, came to an arrangement and married him within a fortnight just to be done with it. She didn't want the council puppeteering her life. Alyn got lost at sea because of the Luke, Jace and Daemon voodoo 😉 and she ruled in his stead. Her fire and blood line could also be tied back to her deleted scene in season 1 (still don't know why they deleted the scene, it would've tied her being a Rhaenyra shooter and the whole blood and fire line together better 🙄). So no, she's not dismissing her Velaryon roots but she's a Dragonrider first and foremost and you know which calling of her blood takes to dragon riding the most, her Targaryen roots. That could also be from Daemon's influence in her younger days as well, she was a daddy's girl. The women in her life play a huge role in it and she just wants to be like all those badass women and honestly, good for her!!! 📢😤

[coldraindropsss]

Rhaena's Targaryen daughters with her second husband Garmund Hightower

[lady-clouves]

I want nasty uncontrollable horrible women this season. I want Nyra to go batshit crazy and be hell bent on getting her throne back, I want her to show just how deep a mother’s rage can really go. I want Alicent to really commit to supporting Aegon, I want to see her be selfish for once and take and keep taking. I want Baela to be the badass dragon rider she is, I want her to be a character we know and feel for and I want her fight with Aegon to be the coolest thing in the entire show. I want Rhaena to show just how political savvy she can get. I want Helaena to be more than just the mad woman stereotype. I want Mysaria to really be the one that’s team smallfolk and actually look out for them and their best interests, especially commoner children. I want Nettles to BE THERE and I want her to wow everybody and put targ stans into an early grave; I want to see her claim sheepstealer, I want to see her interact with the blacks, I want to see her ride her dragon, and be the coolest hottest person there. And I want to SEE Alys and all her freaky witch stuff, while making self insert girlies angry. And by god I want Rhaenys to have the best ending scene a character could ask for.

[ladydreamfyyreee]

𝐋𝐚𝐞𝐧𝐚 𝐕𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐧 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐛𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐞𝐬 💔🥺

𝐜𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐨 : 𝐳𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐤𝐢𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫

[sunnysideaeggs]

Rhaena is a Targaryen but, is her skin color the problem or is the writing the problem?

the writing, through and through. skin color is not a problem, but the writing degrading every character that they made black is awful. the velaryons are an ancient, rich and respected house, baela and rhaena are two amazing dragonriders. the show bent their stories to prop up the (white) main characters: rhaenyra and daemon. that’s not how inclusivity works, if you’re going to make characters of color, show them respect.

why is rhaena ordered around as a glorified babysitter? why not write a single scene of her with her father or brothers? why inflict trauma on her by first making her (black) mother die a horrible death then make her relive that sending her to the same place?

rhaena is beloved. rhaena is respected. rhaena lived in the vale as a princess, showered in praise and attention. rhaena is the last dragonrider, a beacon of hope and magic in this world. rhaena got her happy ending. black rhaena deserves that as much as white rhaena.

[sarcasticsweetlara]

hiii, i have seen lot of ideas where the dance never happens like rhaenyra having a succesful reign, happy marriage life for jace-baela/ luke-rhaena. i think it would be funny if viserys run away to lys in a saera style for the drama, well my point is i like your au's so i wanted to know if you have headcanons for team black where the dance of the dragons never happened

There are many scenarios I could think of, actually...

And it depends how you want to see it because there are things that if erased creates more advantages and new situations, but could still stop the war.

1. Alicent accepts Rhaenyra's proposal of betrothing Jace and Helaena.

And Baela is betrothed to a Velaryon cousin (not a son of Vaemond due his infamy of wanting to take Driftmark from Corlys and his line), like a grandson of Malentine Velaryon (Magnus Velaryon; the Velaryons are greatly inspired by the Nordics; the son of Viggo Velaryon son of Malentine Velaryon) to support the claim of Lucerys and back him

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With Helaena becoming Queen consort she gives legitimacy to Jace's reign as well as Alicent getting her daughter as Queen consort, and with Baela being a backbone with the Velaryons then Luke will receive support as the Lord of Driftmark with Rhaena as Lucerys' wife as well; Jace's children could marry Baela's children and Joffrey as well marries one of the daughters of Baela to further legitimize his line.

Baela would be a lady-in-waiting for Helaena, and together they would arrange the betrothal of their children.

2. Jace marries Baela (now Daemon sees his daughter as Queen), Lucerys still marries Rhaena, and the children of Luke and Rhaena marry the children of Joff.

Now, in all of the scenarios present Aegon III would marry Daenaera as an alliance (they would always marry each other), and Viserys II would marry his niece Daena <<Daena deserved to become The Queen and be the mother of Daeron II and Daenerys, and of the whole dynasty>> to unite their bloodlines; and if baby Visenya survives, then Viserys would marry her (the original plan of Martin), and their son would marry their niece Daena to once again unite the bloodline with Daena being Queen and having her uncle and aunt as Hand and counselors.

3. Other possible scenario but this time after Rhaenyra: Aegon the Younger calls for a High Council once Rhaenyra dies peacefully, and he is chosen as king as the oldest legitimate son of Rhaenyra (Jace would no longer have the protection of Rhaenyra), Baela gets to marry Magnus Velaryon, and she becomes the Lady of Driftmark as a consort (we know Corlys would never choose her, but he could choose a great-great-nephew he liked), while Rhaena marries Corwyn Corbray, and Viserys would still marry either Visenya or Daena; but even then Aegon III would have mercy and spare the lives of Jace, Luke and Joffrey, and they would be married off to minor ladies.

Honestly, in the second and third scenarios I have to admit I think Aegon would eventually reach for the Throne because legitimately it is his.

...

Anyways, Rhaena's children would marry Baela's children, and Rhaena and Baela would be councilors to both Aegon III and Viserys II Targaryen.

I think it would be nice to see Daena or Visenya matching Viserys' fire and having a partner who is an equal and loves and supports him since he would be spared being a hostage of three different Lyseni families that threatened him and also would spare Westeros of the Rogare family, Aegon the Unworthy and the Blackfyre Rebellions.

Either way any of these relationships would mirror that of Baelon and Alyssa or Daemon and Rhaenyra.

But beyond that, Baela would be happy to become Lady of Driftmark, this time in a happy marriage, and would have a husband devoted to her; she would name her first daughter in honor of her mother and first son in honor of her grandfather Corlys; and Laena would be the grandmother of Aelinor Penrose through a daughter of hers (HC: Coryssa Velaryon) who married into House Penrose.

Rhaena would be free of the pressure of providing an heir quickly and therefore her first baby would be born, and would be able to use her dragon to quell the protestors against Joffrey Arryn (the heir of Jeyne Arryn) and Corwyn would live.

Baela would always introduce Daenaera to Aegon III, and Rhaena would take Viserys II on travels to Dragonstone and the whole realm.

Once Viserys II comes back, (if Visenya is not alive) Daena would meet him and they would fall in love and marry.

Baela's favorite niece would be Daena, followed by the daughters of her sister Rhaena, whereas Rhaena's favorite niece would be her little namesake.

Without the trauma of Larra Rogare and the need to overcompensate due to their involvement, Viserys II would see the practicality in sending Baelor to a Sept and therefore there would be no Maidenvault, and no threat of a religious war with the Stepstones, the Iron Isles and the North, as well as no disbalance of taxes going to the High Septons.

Rhaenyra and Daemon would be able to meet their grandchildren and great-grandchildren, and if Rhaenyra's daughter survives, Rhaenyra would have loved spoiling her little princess.

If Baela and Rhaena's full younger brother survives as well, this little boy called Aemon in honor of his great-grandfather, would be completely loyal to his half-brothers Aegon the Younger and Viserys, he would have a keep of his own in the Crownlands given by Rhaenyra so he doesn't compete against the Strong boys

But even then, Aemon would support his legitimate younger brother's birthright.

If Aemon lives, he would marry Maris Baratheon and that's one more ally for the Blacks.

Aemon would claim Grey Ghost itself or steal one of its eggs, he's the son of Daemon and Laena after all, and want to fight but he would be beat to it by Baela.

Aemon would be a male mini-Laena being as adventurous, smooth and demure as his mother, and his sisters would tell him stories about their mother.

Viserys would claim Vermithor and if Visenya lives, then she can claim Silverwing, and Daena and Rhaena could get one of the other dragon eggs of their aunt Rhaena, Elaena's egg could also hatch as well.

Baela would get a new dragon from one of the eggs of Morning as well.

Daemon would teach all of his sons how to fight and encourage them to embrace chaos.

Baela and Rhaena would spoil their little sister Visenya, and as Baela is a tomboy and Rhaena a girl's girl, I like to think Visenya would be kind of an introvert with a stylish witch vibe.

Viserys II would bring his mother many treasures he found on his travels.

And without the trauma of seeing Rhaenyra die, Aegon would proudly wear the crown of Rhaenyra and Daena would wear it as well.

And Visenya would get special tiaras for herself and Viserys as the second and third in command of Aegon III and later Daena.

And I guess these are my headcanons.

[nogoodsheepstealing-greatgrandma]

Ghost Laena: Have you looked after our girls Daemon?

Daemon: No, but to be fair honey, you did set yourself on fire. It was always going to be downhill from there.

[midnight--sadness]

im sorry but why did i just realize that jace, luke and joff are the great-grandsons of both aemon AND baelon and alyssa

in the same way that baela and rhaena are the granddaughters of baelon and alyssa AND the great-granddaughters of aemon

[horizon-verizon]

Phoebe Campbell saying about Baela and Rhaena “There’s a little bit of tension because of their separate upbringings, Baela was raised with grandma & grandpa, Rhaena by stepmom and half siblings. Rhaena feels quite a lot of resentment there.”

So... that garbage fanfic wants to put the dragon twins against each other ?? They aren’t Arya and Sansa, Baela and Rhaena actually love each other, and unlike Sansa, Baela never bullied her sister. And why would Rhaena resent the fact that she had to live with her stepmom and half siblings ??

This is if--and only IF--Phoebe is correct in how the show will decide to characterize Rhaena, and since they literally acted the character, shot all the scenes, and haven't gone on record with bad takes, I think we don't have much a reason to suspect otherwise.

Link to the article that came out today and what anon refers to:

BranwynHlfwitch over at Twitter has a whole thread pointing out other stuff how Ryan Condal has never had a great grasp on the plot or really of history & historians.

I think that part of it is they are trying to develop these characters for their larger roles they're planning during the Dance & the way they decided to go about that is to create conflict b/t the fan fav sisters. And I think they might try to to argue or imply that she is resentful bc of not just second-son syndrome, but basically Baela was picked by their grandparents to be closer and let Rhaena be. Why not both of them, if they are already seeming to break tradition? It will likely folow the theme of silent rejection the show allows the audience to quickly assume from episode 6, where Rhaena bemoans Daemon ignoring her bc of her not hatching an egg...which I already talked about.

Baela--for a very dumb reason--becomes the "ward" of the Velaryons & Rhaenys wants Corlys to name Baela as his heir...presumably without consulting Daemon, the girl's father or Viserys, the head of the house Baela is actually a part of and who would determine how his house's possible heirs inherit what over other candidates...bc Baela & Rhaena are both technically still in line for the throne though they aren't titled as princesses. Just way down and the claims would get stronger the more people before them die...which we already see in the bk.

Anyway, Baela is seemingly older than Rhaena instead of being her twin as by canon; she has a dragon where Rhaena does not; she is, bc she is older, taken to Driftmark to learn the ways of a leader as if she might become the head of a house or whatever even though we also know that Corlys has definitely not named her his heir by his & Rhaenys' conversation in the last episode (so for 6 years why is Baela there without being named when they could just visit each other--her and Rhaenys--by ship and dragonback [pic below] idk, the spectacle of it?).

And while Rhaena loved her dad, loved her stepsiblings/1st cousins-once-removed & I believe that Rhaenyra was a great stepmother to her, because the show did not show us their lives, they will take advantage of that and present us with a lot of stuff like this--breaking lore and going along with the breakage to build their own tale but also sometimes not showing a logical progression from that point of breakage [again, lok to the link abt cradle-bonding].

Yes, there's the argument that Daemon is merely worried over Rhaena's being singled put and left out or belittled, sidelined, for not having a dragon as he felt being a second son/child even with his dragon...but again, look to my post about cradle-bonds and the history of dragon bonds he supposedly knows and it becomes still dumb when he still ends up doing the very thing he's supposed to have feared for his daughter, to her.

Would it have helped if the writers actually developed these people's lives before the Dance and actually think through their plot decisions if they planned to make Rhaena-Daemon's deal this, absolutely! But we have what we have.

Show!Rhaena could come to just resent her sister for all this perceived favoritism.

I may be wrong, who knows.

[acewithapencil]

Rhaena flying to the Red Keep with Morning

[sukibenders]

I find it real funny how some HOTD fans will rally behind the notion of Luke (+ Jace and Joffery) being BOTH Rhaenyra's and Daemon's sons, but will be real quiet when you bring up on, in the same regards, Baela and Rhaena are also Rhaenyra's daughters. Like they will spin their words in so many ways, trying to paint it as if they aren't throwing aside these two main black characters and it shows. Following the logic of Rhae's oldest sons being Daemon's as well, why do so many believe that without Visenya Rhaenyra no longer has a daughter? She has two now, who I'm sure she even considers as such, so what's the problem with the fandom? Hmm? 🤨.