#respect people's pronouns )

[inezrable]

Respect People's Pronouns, Even If They Use:

They/them

she/her

he/him

multiple sets of pronouns

he/she (not they)

neopronouns

it/its

all pronouns including neos

he/she/they but not neos

Just a name

[averygayplant]

A funny thing about having autism and being trans was that my blunt ass was not super conscious of the social taboos (knowing deadnames, accidentally outing people, your basic cis shit) and it lead to a lot of people not liking me for reasons I could never figure out why, because: These things didn't bother me. I tell people my deadname and my old attempts at passing because I think they're still important parts of who I am. I tell people I'm trans because obviously I don't pass super well, but I also don't really care, actually. Then I went to highschool, and I made a trans friend, and it was the first one I'd had that was trans masc instead of trans femme, and I accidentally made all these mistakes. I didn't realize that, by trying to relate with them and find something to bond over, I'd been making them feel like their identity was in jeopardy, because I'm not exactly a very subtle person.

I never got a chance to directly apologize after I found out what I'd done, but I did change my behavior, and now we're on way better terms.

All this to say: If I can learn to be socially aware for the sake of my peers, you fucks can learn to be mindful of someone's pronouns for the sake of yours.

[m-for-now]

So, in German (my native language) I go by both sie/ihr (she/her) pronouns and zae/zim (neopronouns). As I'm genderfluid I sometimes feel more comfortable with one set of pronouns or others and sometimes I feel like using pronouns that I don't usually use for me.

I understand that some people don't really understand the feeling of identifying in a way that makes neopronouns comfortable for you, but I swear to every divine being that has ever been believed in, if I have to deal with another person that I am out to that knows I go by zae/zim and can even see on my bracelets that I do Not go by sie/ihr that day, Calling Me "Sie", I will go ffucking feral.

[patrickkingart]

Punk Pronouns, because respecting folks' pronouns is PUNK

T-Shirts, etc... on TeePublic He/Him She/Her They/Them

Stickers on Etsy He/Him She/Her They/Them

All proceeds will be donated to The Trevor Project

[starwarsanthropology]

Canon genders the clones, both individually and collectively, pretty aggressively. They're men, brothers, boys, sirs. Omega is notable for being the "female" clone, to the point where she's not recognized as a clone in a meaningful way.

But the clones grew up without gendered social groups! Despite how clones are gendered by external factors, gender is functionally a nonentity in their lives until they meet civilians, and civilians do a load of other weird shit anyway.

So why do they still use gendered language?

My argument is that feminine language isn't used as a gendered form of address, but as a form of address that reflects a specific kind of power dynamic and relationship between parties.

Given the structure of the clone army, the only people a vast majority of young clones interact with who could insist on being called ma'am are exclusively kaminoans.

The kaminoans view clones not as autonomous subjects, but as property. They have and expect complete control over their lives and actions. Incidentally, the female kaminoans we see (such as Nala Se) tend to demonstrate an even more proprietary perspectives on the clones.

You can question a sir, like your superiors or trainers, at your discretion, but you can't question a ma'am. A sir is someone who has power over you, but is somewhat responsible for you. The have personal accountability to you in some way. Sirs are responsible for men under them. A ma'am is someone whose power over you is absolute, an authority without accountability, who is not beholden to you but that you must obey. You are tool or a number to a ma'am.

And when you bring clones out into the wider galaxy, I'm not sure anyone would figure it out that quickly.

Say you're a new jedi general. You meet your men, and they address you as "ma'am". Maybe you correct and move on, figuring that they've grown up surrounded by thousands of identical men and aren't great at guessing genders based on social and appearance cues. Scuttlebutt has your forms of address spread through the men by the end of the day, and you don't think about it again.

The clones, on the other hand, take this correction as he/him jedi stating that they want to work with them and suppourt them despite having so much power over them, which fits with both what they know of the jedi and, most often, their leadership style.

She/her jedi (see Shaak Ti especially!), clones maybe treat a little more as absolute authorities. This gendered divide in behavior gets met with, "hm, maybe they're just not used to women." For many jedi, they eventually switch to calling them sir as well, especially as they build rapport.

For Shaak Ti specifically, she is an absolute authority as the representative of the Jedi on Kamino, not just as a figurehead but as a decision maker and educator. Even as the clones grow to trust and love her, she's a relatively distant and all-powered figure. She has near total authority over them, and clones might ask for help or suppourt, but there's no social obligation for those requests to be met, she's just kind. It's compassion, not duty.

Senators, there's a good mix of different factors that make it confusing. "Senator" is always an acceptable form of address if you're not sure how'd they react, even if they should be ma'ams by default, but they're either trying to build rapport for some reason or genuinely want to work with you when they say to call them sir, regardless of the actual power dynamic at play. The she/her senators that respect the clones are in the same boat as Shaak Ti: Padme Amidala may care about clone rights, but I am still just one of hundreds to her and she has no personal accountability to me. Her position is such that she should not and cannot owe me anything. Same with Riyo Chuchi, Mon Mothma, etc. etc.

And a civilian that insists on being called ma'am or sir is going to be an asshole either way, and they technically have power over clones without personal accountability or responsibility for them. It works.

Finally, Palpatine.

He's a slimy rat fuck who pretends to be affable and kind, so of course he's going to laugh and say, "Oh, no, call me Sir!" when you call him ma'am. He is not personally accountable to you, and he does not care about you, but it helps his image and it helps him manipulate people to pretend, so of course he's making you use sir to build false intimacy despite the fact that he's the ma'am of ma'ams, both in power gaps and lack of accountability for his treatment of clones.

So having clones using sir vs ma'am not as a reflection of gender but as a reflection of power? Yeah, I think it works.

[royalarchivist]

Fit: That's the funny part about 2b2t is that you would assume that it's like, just mainly like... right-wing on the server, it's like the most extreme left and right on that server. Like– [Laughs] It's like– it attracts everybody, it attracts the extremes of everybody. It's like– yeah, it's both the extreme left and the extreme right.

Fit: So like... Yeah, they're fascists, but they'll respect your pronouns. It's a– it's a really... It's a really strange place.

[lgbtqtext]

[myopicry]

I think the thing that gets me is that a world that encourages varied and non-conventional gender expression would be good actually! masculine and feminine are the categories/a binary that should be broken down, actually! but for some reason we've just decided to take a trans-humanist and consumerist knife to the idea and carved it into "biological sex should be broken down into oblivion and we should rearrange our sex characteristics with expensive and involved surgeries with money and the whims of polarizing and opportunistic politicians" instead ??

man I just like wearing men's clothes and generally think we shouldn't police people's gendered self-expression... I do not understand why it's suddenly required for anyone against gender roles to uncritically adopt the encouragement of surgically altering yourself to fit those gender roles :(

[funnyshark]

what if i don't? 🥺👉👈

It's my "preferred" name in the same sense that you "prefer" keeping your kneecaps intact

[m-for-now]

RESPECT PEOPLE'S PRONOUNS!!

THAT INCLUDES NEOPRONOUNS!!

SWITCH BETWEEN PRONOUNS IF A PERSON USES MORE THAN ONE SET AT A TIME!!

[patrickkingart]

Metal Pronouns, because respecting folks' pronouns is 𝕸𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖑

T-Shirts, etc... on TeePublic He/Him She/Her They/Them

Stickers on Etsy He/Him She/Her They/Them

All proceeds will be donated to The Trevor Project

[butchshevik]

no but really the focus on pronouns Determining Actual Gender And Having Unique Social Roles in lgbt spaces is absolutely bizarre and beyond any form of basic material analysis of gender it exists in the real world. like speaking from experience you can literally be a stone butch lesbian who goes out of ur way to exclusively dress in traditionally masculine clothes, who uses a masculine name, who intentionally and explicitly plays a complex and deeply nonconforming gender role as both social performance art and for personal fulfilment, and then get lumped in by other lgbt people in the category of "she/her type" (and, more broadly, if you use she/her and are afab, you inevitably get labeled as 'cis' regardless of your actual gender performance as interpreted by the world writ large) just because you dont care enough about pronouns to determine and enforce the use of any others for yourself

[sainamoonshine]

My unpopular opinion is that in languages with grammatical gender like french, it does make sense for Murderbot to be referred to by whatever pronoun is usually used for robots or constructs. (In french, therefore, grammatical masculine.) Because there are no traditional « it » pronouns in these languages for objects, and while there are neo-pronouns, they are things one must choose for themselves. Do you honestly think MB actually spent time thinking about its pronouns?! No it didn’t. On forms it picks « non-applicable ». When people ask it what pronouns they should use, its honest opinion is « why do you even need to talk about me. Just don’t fucking do that. Don’t think about me either. Just fucking stop perceiving me altogether! »

Thinking about what pronouns to use probably makes it way more uncomfortable than letting people call it what they’ve already been calling it. Making a conscious choice about its identity? And telling other people about it??? No thanks bye, it’s just gonna walk into the ocean now, see you never.

Lbr it probably thinks the only bots that get fancy pronouns are comfort units, and the pronouns are probably shoved into them by humans same as everything else. MB would meet a bot using a neopronoun and it would wish it could barf. Because in a language like french, he/him and she/her, when applied to objects, ARE fulfilling the function of the english « it ». Nobody is saying the table is a woman or related to feminity in any way outside of stand-up comedy; when it comes to objects grammatical gender really has fuckall to do with human gender even if we use the same words. Even animal species names have grammatical gender and everyone gets that there are male and female turtles even if the word « turtle » is a female word, it’s not that confusing.

(I know this is strange when your language has different pronouns for people and for objects, but understand that english uses the same word to indicate if I’m addressing one or many people, and that is confusing to me.)

TL;DR; stop harassing international fans for not getting the correct MB pronoun in english right off the bat. Yes in english calling it « he » or « her » or « them » is upsetting because it’s projecting an identity unto it. But same goes for trying to get a foreign language translation to use a pronoun intended to express or showcase an identity (or even a lack of one!). Murderbot has not thought about it this hard, refuses to think about it this hard -> and that is its only canon accurate gender identity.

[andresmounts2]

Stop ignoring the existence of black trans men.

Stop making black trans men have to jump through additional hoops to be gendered correctly.

Stop calling black trans men studs.

Stop ignoring the fact that black trans men are automatically seen as a threat if they pass as a cis man.

Stop wanting black trans men to give up their blackness to appease you and make you more comfortable.

[thermodynamic-comedian]

me when i am the wrong kind of queer apparently

[shadow-the-crow]

"I am talking about myself. It’s not something I’m used to doing, so I’m sorry if I’m not very good at it."

Oh baby. My sweet baby.