#rayan ivenci

[officialzevran]

the funniest thing about how badly veilguard fucked up the crows - trying to turn it into some anti-hero, good guy faction that cares so much about antiva - is that as a contrast they had to write governor ivenci to be the most flat, comic villain ever like all of the game's villains cuz we cant have nuance but thats another post to make sure you the player know that Crows Good, Government Bad

but like!! they still had a point!!! you tried to make them sooo unlikeable and yet!!!

bitches hate to see a They/Them call out the guild of literal human trafficking, child abusing murderers that have control over the the country 😞

[lesbiansforboromir]

THEY COULD NEVER MAKE ME HATE YOU MX RAYAN IVENCI (THEY/THEM) MOST PERSECUTED GOVERNOR IN HISTORY!!!

[crossdressingdeath]

Ivenci handing Treviso to the Antaam on a silver platter for personal gain and then insisting it's the Crows' fault will never not be hilarious to me.

[watcher1ngellvar]

There's a parallel somewhere about criminal syndicate boss Makal Damas saying "Docktown's ours," in the conversation about freeing it from the venatori and fifth talon Viago de Riva repeatedly saying "the crows rule antiva, and treviso will be free" while local "corrupt" government pushes against the crows presence but I don't have the expertise to put it together.

[proffbon]

Based Governor Ivenci moment

[the-northern-continent]

Lucanis has no game in the same way that Rayan Ivenci is “a bookkeeper”. What is bumbling and artless to Antivans is absolutely lethal everywhere else.

[companionquest]

okay cuz I’m filled with spite after reading transphobic Veilguard comics I wanna sketch some they/thems.

Taash obviously, Flynn, Governor Ivenci, Vorgoth (common misconception that they use he/him, it’s always they/them in dialogue and the wiki), am I missing anyone??

[sky-scribbles]

I am absolutely fascinated by Ivenci being a mage.

Veilguard doesn't talk about the Circles at all, and yes it's annoying and we can talk about that all day but... they still existed. If Leliana dissolved the Circles, then until ten years ago, mages were still imprisoned. If Leliana isn't Divine, the mages are still imprisoned.

If we follow that to its logical conclusion, one of two things is true:

If the Circles were dissolved, then Ivenci was either an apostate for most of their life, or they were a Circle mage who was only freed ten years ago. Perhaps they fought in the mage rebellion. Somehow, they - a mage, in a country were mages were distrusted and feared - fought and worked their way to becoming governor of Treviso, in just a decade.

If the Circles still exist, then Ivenci is an apostate. They either escaped a Circle or have managed to stay free from one their entire life. They worked their way up to governor without anyone finding out that they were a mage, ever.

And either option is so interesting! Does it impact their decision to sell Treviso to the Antaam? Do they think it's better to ally with the Antaam, who hate and fear mages even more than the Chantry, than risk them taking over by force - and risk themselves being chained? Do they hate the Crows because they remember the Templars, an order who were just as untouchable, who held a similar indiscriminate power over other people's lives?

Is there a terror driving them? Whatever it takes to stay free. Whatever it takes. Is there a fury? The Crows call themselves patriots, they say they fight for the freedom of all Antivans - but where were they, when I was locked in a Circle? 'Treviso will be free' - but for whom?

tl;dr Rayan Ivenci I want to study you like a bug

[sky--phantom]

Flatterer

[thesummerstorms]

Look, you have to take anything Ivenci says with a grain of salt. They are absolutely someone who tells everything through a lens of a biased agenda.

However!

I really wish there was some other data in the game where we could dig into the implications a bit.

What did happen in the other parts of Antiva that were invaded?

Why did the Fifth, Seventh, and First Talons all see fit to make Treviso the center of their movement when Viago/House de Riva holds lands in Salle and Teia/House Cantori in Rialto?

We see all the Talons (plus a random extra) on stage in Murder of Crows and it's implied there were enough Talons gathered to want Rook de Riva dead even though we know Teia and Viago weren't the ones calling for Rook's head.

Are they all stationed in Treviso as well? In the outskirts or nearby lesser cities? Surely having all the leadership of all the Crows in one City all the time would be a bad idea... unless their forces have been weakened enough they have to band that closely together for strength.

Or despite the Antaam invasion, are they still able to travel mostly freely within Antiva itself as long as no one tries to flee?

You get dialogue in the Drowned District from a sailor who states that the Antaam are refusing to let ships leave the harbor. Lucanis says the following after Arlathan Crater:

The Crows may have something. The Antaam are moving large quantities of supplies out of the city. Weapons, armor, gaatlok… And food. About half our remaining provisions. Enough to feed the Antaam navy.

So the Antaam invasion has somewhat impacted food distribution, which makes sense if the port is closed... but not enough for the markets to shut down or stop selling valuables, or to close Cafe Pietra and its fancy coffee, or to stop that old lady in the market from complaining about there not being enough white sauce.

So is it just that food is more difficult to bring in because with the port closed they have to bring in foodstuffs overland when they traditionally aren't used to? Does the city or do the Crows regularly stockpile for winters or emergencies and that's what's being removed?

Like, I really just want to dig in to the logistics/politics situation here, even though I know that's a bit beyond the game's scope.

Edit: I just double checked and Josephine's letter to a romanced Inquisitor carefully says nothing about the state of Antiva beyond her family stating the weather is good and her sister wanting them to return to Antiva to meet a baby. So there's that as well.

[clankit]

diversity win! this villainous governor is nonbinary

[lesbiansforboromir]

Governor Rayan Ivenci most dragon age character ever written, they're a government official, they live in fantasy Venice but sound like Scar from the Lion King, they hold the completely reasonable opinion that a city being run by a shadowy self-governing collection of hired killers who regularly murder each other is bad, all their coworkers are assassins who make fun of them for having this opinion while wearing bird outfits and living in a casino, somehow Ivenci is still the villain here, they're nonbinary and spend what precious little personal time they have on some immaculate gender affirming eyeliner, they're bald, they all but tell you that they're working with the Antaam but it stiil takes until the end of the game for the '''top tier''' Crow leadership to figure it out, they're a goddamn mage and you only find that out during the final boss fight where you're standing in front of a middle government office worker and their health bar appears and they throw a fucking fireball at you!!! I'm literally always thinking about them.

[crossdressingdeath]

Rook: This is our city. Why shouldn't we protect it? Governor Ivenci: Who decided it was yours? The winner of your latest petty treachery.

Says the person planning to use their own significantly less petty treachery to make the city theirs. Mad you still haven't got past the assassins, aren't you, Ivenci.

Also, somewhat more importantly: we are repeatedly reminded that the Crows are Antiva's only even vaguely military force. Antiva doesn't have a standing army, just the Crows, and protecting Antiva is very much one of their duties. The question of whose city it is is academic here; not only do the Crows have every right to protect Treviso, it is literally their job to do so. Ivenci is complaining about the Crows overstepping their bounds in the same breath as they try to argue the Crows shouldn't do their job and it's just so funny to me. Truly they are my favourite clown.

[dragonagepolls]

From anon: I only included characters that are in one of the games (so Lisme and Drayden aren’t on this list) and that are named (sorry mysterious crystal merchant!) And I didn’t include Serendipity because according to David Gaider she’s a drag queen and not a trans woman.

[proffbon]

Okay, why in the hell in both resolutions of the questlines related to the ASSASSINS GUILD you have an ASSASSIN CHARACTER being like "You know what, by right I should kill you for what you did but I have something better in mind - public humiliation!" as if it anywhere on the same level? 💀

[the-northern-continent]

Now we know what would have happened in Kirkwall if everyone involved was pounding coffee instead of wine.

(periodic reminder to check around the back of the Arishok’s throne in DA2. No one goes there because it seems kind of rude, but it’s one of my favorite subtle bits of environmental storytelling)