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queer-ragnelle · 3 months ago
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Best of Arthurian Queens
Seeking recommendations for media featuring the Queens of Arthuriana?
Here’s a curated collection of Retellings, Films, TV shows, and more ordered alphabetically by Queen and oldest to newest. Each recommendation comes with a brief synopsis and review containing mild spoilers.
All PDFs link to my Google drive, videos to MEGA drive, and can be found on my blog. Each passage adopts the unique spelling of character names as used in the media.
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Guinevere of Camelot
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Books
The Defence of Guenevere by William Morris
In this famous poem, Guenevere gets to say her piece before the court and call out by name the individuals that wronged her.
The Story of King Arthur and His Knights by Howard Pyle
The Story of The Champions of the Round Table by Howard Pyle
The Story of Sir Launcelot and His Companions by Howard Pyle
The Story of the Grail and The Passing of Arthur by Howard Pyle
Queen Guinevere is regal, powerful, respected, & beloved in this series. The art featuring her is stunning.
Kairo-Kō: A Dirge by Natsume Sōseki
Japanese retelling with poetic prose that really sells the heart wrenching tragedy of Guinevere’s affair with Lancelot & the weight of her serpent crown.
Launcelot & Guenevere by Richard Hovey
A series of plays which showcase Guenevere’s marriage to Arthur & love affair with Launcelot facilitated by Galehaut. Numerous heart wrenching lines.
Guinevere by Sharan Newman
The Chessboard Queen by Sharan Newman
Guinevere Evermore by Sharan Newman
Follows Guinevere for her whole childhood, fleshes out her family, handmaidens, & friends, romantic first meeting with Arthur, magical unicorn, great chemistry with Lancelot, raised Galahad like her own son. One of my favorite portrayals of her ever.
A Camelot Triptych by Norris J. Lacy
A fascinating examination of misogyny’s part in Guinevere’s treatment concerning the Vulgate storyline. Guinevere gets the second of three chapters, but she’s integral to the entire collection. Her portion in the cold, lonely nunnery is heart wrenching & it really sympathizes with her situation to show her humanity & the forces acting against her.
The Bright Sword by Lev Grossman
A post-Camlann story. While first shown to be living unhappily at the nunnery, Guinevere later reappears as a participant of the Wild Hunt, & gets her own flashback chapter near the end. She’s an integral part of the plot resolution.
Movies
Knights of the Round Table (1953)
Elegant & queenly Guinevere with gorgeous styling & costumes. Childhood friend of Arthur. Gives her favor to Lancelot in exchange for a quaint necklace made from a coin she takes everywhere. Merlin is respectful & kind to Guinevere & has her best interest at heart, never talks about her behind her back to Arthur. Guinevere & Elaine on great terms, Guinevere gets to temporarily foster Galahad after Elaine’s death, & in the end, Arthur never entertained the idea of punishing Guinevere with death for anything.
Sword of Lancelot (1963)
Passion project of Cornel Wilde, who wrote, directed, & stared as Lancelot in the film. Cast his own wife Jean Wallace, to play Guinevere—the chemistry is fire. Many knights of the Round Table that adore Guinevere, including Dagonet who temporarily goes mad/missing after Guinevere’s sentencing to the stake. Well-meaning Arthur who nonetheless fails to uphold Guinevere’s agency & belittles her less than lady-like skillset including hunting, & ultimately loses her to Lancelot for that reason.
Camelot (1967)
Iconic Guinevere. Ride or die with “Wart” before she even knew he was her betrothed, Arthur. She shares in all his dreams & ideas, as a viewer you can feel how valued she is. Cherished by her champion knights, Dinadan, Sagramore, & Lionel. She wasn’t keen on Lancelot at first but obviously falls in love with him as much as Arthur did. Gorgeous costuming & many beautiful songs with her ladies & knights.
Excalibur (1981)
Sweet healer Guinevere who gets along with everyone including Morgan, has a seat at the Round Table, great chemistry with Arthur & Lancelot, beautiful costuming, talented acting.
Merlin and The Sword (1985)
Stunning Guinevere with an alluring deep voice. Awesome chemistry with all characters. Adored by Arthur who is animated & energetic but doesn’t quite “get” her & beloved by Lancelot who stares silently at her & throws himself into danger left & right for her. Pretty dresses & crowns throughout & her dilemma between the two men is especially tough here, which she’s able to explain in her own words which is a rarity.
Camelot: The Legend (1998)
Animated kid’s movie in which Guinevere is entirely devoted to Arthur & has her own interests & goals including gardening at Camelot. She’s taught how to sword fight by Lancelot which comes in handy later when escaping Morgan & Mordred.
Arthur & Merlin: Knights of Camelot (2020)
Powerful Guinevere in a story inspired by Alliterative Morte which leaves her stranded at Camelot with Mordred while Arthur & Lancelot fight in Rome. She refuses to accept Mordred as king & rebuffs his advances, intimidating him with her cold & direct rejections. She also banters with Antigone, Mordred’s accomplice, while remaining regal & poised.
TV Shows
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot (1956-57)
Guinevere appears in 11 episodes, has a seat at the Round Table, politically involved & valued by all. Confident & poised. Friends with Gawain, Kay, & Lionel. Great chemistry with Arthur & Lancelot. Matching costumes with Arthur. Socially progressive for the time, including an episode without Arthur in which Guinevere runs a market fair to trade with people from the East.
BBC The Legend of King Arthur (1979)
Young innocent Guinevere with a seat at the Round Table, loves Arthur as king but best friends with Lancelot. Framed for killing a knight with poisoned fruit & championed by Lancelot. Beloved by the knights but victim to Morgan, Agravain, & Mordred.
Starz Camelot (2011)
Guinevere in episodes 3-10, engaged to childhood friend Leontes but loves Arthur. Friends with Igraine & Bridget. Her opinion is valued by all, involved in the resolution of several episode plots & overall organization of newly formed Camelot. Advocates for the other women. Helps defend the castle from invaders.
Games
Camelot Crush: A Round Table Dating Sim
Guinevere is one of six characters the player can romance. Adorable art & fun, exciting storyline. Guinevere is lovingly rendered & has a sweet, loving relationship with both Arthur & Lancelot, & potentially the player!
Herzeloyde of Wales
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Books
The Story of Sir Launcelot and His Companions by Howard Pyle
The Prioress, as she's called, isn't here for very long. Yet it's very sweet that on crossing paths with Percival, Lamorack was on his way to visit their mother at the priory. So they go together to visit her, receive her blessing, & talk with her into the night. She survives the narrative!
Parsival - A Knight's Tale by Richard Monaco
This book has her pov, however briefly. It's very haunting to get her perspective on Parsival as he becomes increasingly violent with age & returns to her bloody from the hunt. Overall the book takes a disturbing turn I don't fully recommend it but the beginning is fascinating.
Spear by Nicola Griffith
This version draws on Welsh & Celtic mythology in which Elen has withdrawn from society with her daughter, Peretur, to avoid the wrath of the Tuath Dé after stealing the magic cauldron. It’s revealed later that Elen is the sister of Myrddin & he’s sustained despite Nimuë’s spells as a result of that connection.
Movies
Perceval (1978)
A French adaptation of The Story of the Grail by Chrétien de Troyes set on a stage. Perceval’s mother follows her exact role from the book, cautioning her son about the world, & dying of heartbreak on his departure. She returns at the end as Mother Mary to compliment Perceval as Jesus Christ at the crucifixion. Costuming is colorful & detailed. Bonus points for removal of racism & antisemitism from the text.
TV Shows
Rising Impact (2024)
A cheesy sports anime that stars Gawain—but in season 2, Percival is introduced & both of her parents make an appearance when Gawain comes over for dinner.
Games
Granblue Fantasy
Herzeloyde is the wife of Gahmuret & mother of Aglovale, Lamorak, & Percival. After her death, Gahmuret became obsessed with resurrecting her, which he then passed to Aglovale on his own death.
Igraine of Cornwall
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Books
The Crystal Cave by Mary Stewart
The Hollow Hills by Mary Stewart
The Last Enchantment by Mary Stewart
An interesting take on Ygraine who is married to an older Gorlois but actually consents to the affair with Uther facilitated by Merlin. Very noble & wise, she remains regal throughout her later life & maintains a relationship with Arthur.
Morgan Is My Name by Sophie Keetch
Igraine in love with Gorlois & empowering to their daughters is always an amazing interpretation. She’s a pious woman doing her best by them despite all the forces of the patriarchy working against her.
Movies
Excalibur (1981)
Igraine is introduced during a celebratory party at Tintagel hosted by Gorlois where she dances for the visiting knights. There Uther desires her & conspires with Merlin to have her. She already has her daughter Morgana with her when Arthur is sired & born. The last we see her, she’s screaming for Merlin to return baby Arthur to no avail.
TV Shows
BBC The Legend of King Arthur (1979)
Loving Igraine & Gorlois are torn apart immediately when Uther takes a liking to her & demands Gorlois hand her over. When Gorlois refuses, he’s slain, & Igraine is chastised by young Morgan for “giving up so easily.” This Igraine has the saddest expression I’ve ever seen she sells the tragedy. After Arthur is taken by Merlin, Morgan is sent to live in a nunnery while Igraine flees to Orkney to live with her elder daughter Morgause, son-in-law Lot, & grandsons.
Merlin (1998)
Igraine is introduced with husband Gorlois & daughter Morgan after Uther defeated Vortigern. She wears beautiful matching red garments with her family & plainly loves her spouse & child. She’s heartbroken when Gorlois leaves her to fight Uther & freaked out when he “returns” after the battle to sire Arthur on her. Truly a victim of a tragic narrative.
Starz Camelot (2011)
This is the Igraine of all time. She’s in 9/10 episodes! A complex character that really highlights the struggles a woman goes through in her time caught between powerful men. Her approach is criticized by Morgan, her step-daughter, who berates her “weakness” in “allowing” Uther to kill her husband & take her to wife. Igraine tries to counsel Guinevere in her worries over marrying Leontes despite loving Arthur, befriends Ector after the death of his wife & the foster-mother of Arthur, & she does all she can to help Camelot succeed. Beautiful costuming & styling with intricate crowns & circlets to indicate her status as dowager queen. The acting is incredible especially during the magical body transformation that results in scenes portraying Eva Green’s Morgan pretending to be Claire Forlani’s Igraine. She ate. Phenomenal.
Comics
King Arthur: Legends of Logres by shoulderangel
Ongoing webcomic with a major focus on Igraine. She harbors a lot of anger toward Uther & trauma surrounding the ordeal which carried over to the relationship with Arthur. She slowly heals over the course of the story & rebuilds her connection with her son.
Isolde of Ireland
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Books
The Story of the Champions of the Round Table by Howard Pyle
Belle Isoult is lovingly portrayed here & beloved by both Tristram & Palamydes. She's a skilled healer & raised by her bold mother to be an independent thinker. I love that she has black hair, it stands out compared to her other portrayals!
Restoring Palamede by John Erskine
Such an interesting & nuanced Isolde. She does switch places with Brangaine to avoid a wedding night with Mark but it feels less insidious here. Isolde’s relationship caught between Tristan/Palamede/Mark doesn’t feel misogynistic or as if she’s a plot device. Feels like a person who’s in an unhappy marriage, in love with Tristan, & great friends with Palamede. I especially liked that she was allowed to feel vulnerable, even depressive, & that Palamede was concerned enough to forego ceremony to make sure she wasn’t hurt. It’s a testament to their friendship.
The Ballad of Sir Dinadan by Gerald Morris
Not a particularly kind portrayal of Isolde considering it’s Dinadan point of view, but I still felt her love affair with Tristram was engaging & the ending did get to me even if the reader knew it would end badly. For some reason her manner of death shocked me. It was different & that stands out. It truly felt tragic.
The Bright Sword by Lev Grossman
Isolde the Blond only shows up in Palomides flashbacks, but his first encounter with her blew me away. Loved her description of having a slight overbite, we love normal teeth in historical fiction. But what really stands out is after Palomides slaughters a bunch of would-be rapists, Isolde is alone among the ladies undisturbed by the gore & cleans Palomide’s blade before handing it back to him. I understood in that moment. It would work on me too.
Movies
Lovespell (1981)
Isolt is introduced while hawking & gives some guy sass for trying to tell her what to do. Turns out that was Mark visiting Ireland & they hit it off despite the age gap. Later Tristan comes to pick up Isolt but he’s played by Nicholas Clay so obviously she falls in love with him. Bronwyn is a creepy sorceress hag who gives a love potion to Isolt to use with Mark but she uses it with Tristan.
Fire and Sword (1981)
Truly the most unhinged Isolde ever. The closest to her medieval counterpart I’ve encountered. The only person Isolde loves more than Tristan is Isolde. She’s also magical & sort of manipulates the story with that.
Tristan & Isolde (2006)
Adorable Isolde who lost her mother young & hangs out with older matron in waiting Bragnae. Rescues Tristan off the beach like a rotting fish & strips naked to hold him for warmth. So she has some of that unhinged energy. Tristan kills Morholt & accidentally wins Isolde for Mark but since Mark is played by Rufus Sewell, & he’s essentially Arthur here, he’s too good. A legit love triangle without the excuse of a love potion to fall back on. Sucks to be them!
TV Shows
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot (1956-57)
In episode 5, Mark captures Lancelot. Isolde is vocally opposed to her husband’s methods & when tending Lancelot’s injuries in his jail cell, slips him a knife. At the end she is granted leave of her husband, & goes with Tristan to her new castle.
Morgan le Fay of Rheged
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Books
The Story of King Arthur and His Knights by Howard Pyle
The Story of The Champions of the Round Table by Howard Pyle
The Story of Launcelot and His Companions by Howard Pyle
The Story of the Grail and The Passing of Arthur by Howard Pyle
Morgana is the mischievous sister of Arthur, wife of Urien, & mother of Ewaine. She steals Arthur’s scabbard & returns it to the Lady of the Lake. She’s one of four queens who imprisons Launcelot & attempts to lay a spell on him to spite Arthur. At the end, she bears Arthur away on a ship to Avalon. The artwork throughout is beautiful. While antagonistic, she gets silly with it, threatening to curse the land with an evil worm after a magical ring doesn’t fit her finger. Despite her misdeeds, Ewaine always associates himself with his mother.
The Acts of King Arthur and His Noble Knights by John Steinbeck
The best Morgan with her own chapter! She’s cunning, ruthless, diabolical, & kind of silly when she disguises herself as a rock. It’s hilarious how blind Arthur is to her attempts on his life & blasé attitude about punishing her. Morgan tries to kill her husband, gaslights her son Ewain into believing he didn’t see what he saw, then still asks Guinevere’s permission to leave court. Goofy poltics. Later in Ewain’s chapter, he describes his mother most lovingly. It’s a compelling way to paint Morgan as a multi-dimensional character even when she’s off page.
Idylls of the Queen by Phyllis Ann Karr
Morgan helps Kay & Mordred in their investigation to track down the culprit who framed Guinevere for murder. She’s friends with Nimuë, who helps facilitate the meeting. Morgan’s an interesting mix of Christian & mystic, using magic to temporarily rewind time & show the knights events that took place the night of the murder. She’s manic & clever, I loved every word of her on the page.
Morgan Is My Name by Sophie Keetch
Le Fay by Sophie Keetch
This series is yet incomplete with a third book to come, but the first two are solid. Opens with Morgan’s birth & follows through all the events of her life from losing her parents Igraine & Gorlois to Uther, both her sisters Morgause & Elaine to their husbands Lot & Nentres, & eventually her own freedom when she’s sent to a nunnery. By book 2 she’s married to Urien & has her son, Yvain, who she adores & attempts to do right by. But her bitterness toward Arthur & Urien poisons the relationship. A compelling Morgan with anger issues & a kind of stale but sweet romance with Accolon that ends in tragedy.
The Bright Sword by Lev Grossman
Complicated Morgan who got to speak her mind explaining where her complicated bitterness toward Arthur came from. She lives in the Otherworld with the fairies & Green Knight. She’s keeping Arthur sort of alive after Camlann in Avalon & participates in the Wild Hunt. She has an amazing end game situationship with Palomides. Biggest gripe was Collum pilfered her son’s backstory with the lion but oh well.
Movies
Knights of the Round Table (1953)
Morgan is the wedlock daughter of Uther, sister of Arthur, who believes her claim to the throne is stronger & wants Mordred to be king. She’s the ringleader for all of Mordred & Agravaine’s plans, coaches them on all they should do, & stirs the pot on her own whenever possible, purposefully putting Guinevere into awkward positions. The costuming is amazing, all her veils & dresses are beautiful. She’s so catty here & her rivalry with Merlin is funny.
Excalibur (1981)
Iconic Morgana. Starts with her as a child who witnesses Uther in the guise of her father come to her mother & knows him for who he is. It’s said multiple times she watches with her father Gorlois’s eyes, through her, he haunts the narrative. She learns magic from Merlin & eventually uses that to seal him away & beguile Arthur into siring Mordred. She then raises Mordred all while tormenting the grail knights. Stunning costumes, veils & crowns, even armored bodice looks. Sexiest Morgana ever.
Merlin and The Sword (1985)
Funky redhead Morgan with the most perfect evil laugh. Her black feathered costume hints at her ability to turn into a crow. Auntie Morgan, as she’s called, coaches her nephew Mordred on how to work his way closer to his father Arthur while he & Agravain antagonize Lancelot & Guinevere. She conspires with some Pict warriors to have Guinevere kidnapped. She holds Ninian’s father hostage to get her to turn against Merlin. She’s a powerful sorceress with many abilities including potion making & summoning a dragon.
TV Shows
The Adventures of Sir Galahad (1949)
Morgan is a magic user who aids Galahad on his quest to recover Excalibur. She helps him avoid Merlin’s machinations & breaks him out of prison with the use of quirky spells.
The Adventures of Sir Lancelot (1956-57)
Returning after many years of banishment by her brother Arthur, Morgan appears in episode 26 with her son, Rupert. She hopes that helping him cheat will guarantee him a seat at the Round Table & secure her return to court.
BBC The Legend of King Arthur (1979)
First episode opens with Morgan & her parents, Igraine & Gorlois, as Uther makes his untoward intentions known. Morgan loves her parents & never forgives Uther for killing her father & taking her mother. She learns magic from Merlin & kills Uther, after which she’s sent to a nunnery while her mother goes to live with Morgause in Orkney. She returns later as an inconspicuous nun Arthur never suspects of treachery & holds a seat at the Round Table after the death of Merlin. She teams up with Accolon to steal Excalibur’s scabbard & coaches her nephews Agravain & Mordred to stir trouble at court. Understated acting with subtle but intense emotion behind it.
Merlin (1998)
Morgan is introduced alongside her parents, Igraine & Gorlois, when they come to pay homage to Uther. She’s got a cute speech impediment she maintains into adulthood & has a heartbreaking Hector/Astyanax moment while wearing Gorlois’s helmet before he heads out to die against Uther. She formulates a long term relationship with the fairy Frik & eventually gets pregnant with Mordred by Arthur in an attempt to take the throne. She’s played by Helena Bonham Carter who ate the role up & looked like a stunning mall goth the whole time.
Starz Camelot (2011)
My favorite Morgan in anything ever. Immediately murders Uther. She’s ruthless & determined, evil & sly & clever while also continuously screwing up & having to recalibrate all her plans to undermine Arthur’s rule. Stunning costuming, styling of hair & jewelry. Eva Green’s acting is insane here. Morgan’s magic weighs on her like a curse, the generational trauma is palpable, & she maintains complex relationships with all the women in the story including Vivian, Sybil, Igraine, & Guinevere. She forms a temporary alliance with Lot that was very sexy.
Games
Camelot Crush: A Round Table Dating Sim
Morgan is an NPC character the player can encounter in game. Adorable art & fun dialogue!
Morgause of Orkney
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Books
The Story of Sir Launcelot and His Companions by Howard Pyle
Margaise is minimal, but she & her husband Lot loves spoil Gareth rotten. Margaise brings Gareth to her bower where she tells him it's time he went to her brother's kingdom to join the Round Table with his brothers who "shine forth like bright planets in the midst of a galaxy of stars." She loves her children dearly.
The Marriage of Guenevere by Richard Hovey
Morgause is so sneaky here insinuating herself into Guenevere’s confidence to try & break apart her marriage with Arthur before it even begins. She tricks Ladinas, a knight of the Round Table, to do her bidding, dragging Guenevere’s brother Peredure along with them. Gawaine is only sixteen here & not yet fully assuming a position he can combat this. OC collateral damage be damned I support women’s wrongs.
Holy Isle by James Bridie
This play has an incredible Margause that rules the roost in Orkney. She’s “a tall, sinisterly beautiful woman” with no fear or uncertainty. Everyone except wifeguy Lot is afraid of her & she takes full advantage. Margause can read & Lot cannot so she directs him on how to handle matters of state. She ends up stowing away in a ship to a new island to insinuate herself into the goings on there. She’s dubbed “Queen” by the locals in lieu of her name.
The Book of Mordred by Peter Hanratty
Witch Morgause meets a tragic end rather quickly, but she loves Mordred & bends over backwards to protect him from her fate.
The Road to Avalon by Joan Wolf
Morgause plays a small part compared to her sister Morgan, but Morgause raises her nephew Mordred as her own to keep him hidden from Arthur. She’s kind & considerate. After Lot dies, she marries Pellinore, who helps raise her children. After Pellinore dies, she marries Lamorak. She survives the narrative! Gaheris, who had been helping his mother run the estate, arrives at the final battle to secure the victory.
Morgan Is My Name by Sophie Keetch
Le Fay by Sophie Keetch
This series focuses on Morgause’s little sister, Morgan, but they have an interesting dynamic that Morgause teases Morgan by calling her “Morgana” to annoy her which inspired the series name. Morgause happily married young handsome Lot to become a queen which was refreshing. She also stepped up when Morgan needed protecting/explanation about Uther’s behavior toward their mother. Overall a rare positive portrayal.
Movies
Camelot (1998)
Morgause is one of the ladies of the lake whom Arthur meets during his childhood growing up in Avalon. She teaches him to dance & they fall in love & marry. It’s not indicated whether they are siblings at all, but it seems they aren’t. She’s the mother of Mordred who later comes to Camelot after Arthur had left to marry Guinevere.
Excalibur Kid (1999)
A plan hatched by Morgause results in Zack pulling the sword from the stone before Arthur can. She is ultimately fouled when Zack realizes the plot & foils her plans. Her costuming is cute & the actress is a pretty redhead with a sassy interpretation of the character.
TV Shows
BBC Merlin (2008-12)
Morgause is introduced in season 2 when she enters a tournament in full armored disguise. She summons Igraine’s ghost to explain to Arthur the true circumstances of her death & Uther’s culpability. Arthur doesn’t take this to heart & ultimately drives Morgause (& Morgana) to oppose him before the end.
Games
Granblue Fantasy
Morgause is the widow of Lot & mother of Gawain & Florence. She’s a powerful sorceress who developed a magical defense spell & took on trainees Florence & Lamorak.
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oneshoulderangel · 1 year ago
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Gorlois and Igraine, dancing in the snow under a starry sky.
Once again I’m just torturing myself by imagining these two happy and in love. They deserved to be together, dang it Uther!
Bonus:
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Oh Gorlois, you may be a little dense, but all the best cinnamon rolls are.
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poparthuriana · 3 months ago
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thelandswemadeofpaper · 1 year ago
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Its even funnier when you realize they are (half) siblings
And Morgana is more fairy-like than her brother (in most versions, Queen Igraine and Nimue are sisters), so I honestly think that maybe they aren't really enemies, just siblings teasing each one (but in fairy levels of 'fun')
I think the main problem with a lot of Morgan le Fay characterizations is that they focus too much on the angst and not enough on the Wile. E. Coyote-esque schemes
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gawrkin · 2 months ago
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Family shenanigans with Igraine in Vulgate Cycle
AKA @queer-ragnelle is right: Every Vulgate writer listens to his own canon.
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Here, Igraine is stated to have 2 husbands before Uther, and five daughters as a result.
It is unclear which daughter was from which husband.
Curiously, King Aguisant is presented here as another nephew of Arthur's. I wonder if the Caradoc stated to be his father is Caradoc Briefbras, King Carados of Dolorous Gard or some other Caradoc inspired by those two.
The fifth, and presumably the youngest, is implied to be Morgan, the convent girl.
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Here is where Vulgate cycle will throw anyone who read Le Morte for a loop: Morgan is NOT Ywain's mother. It's an entirely different sister.
This, in turn, is actually in line with the implications from earlier stories, like Knight of the Lion: Morgan wasn't Ywain's mom until Post-Vulgate, this change being likely inspired by Welsh Folklore, where the mother of Owain mab Urien and his sister was Modron ferch Afallach, an Otherworldly Lady.
In other words, Morgan's only similarity to Modron was a late invention, inspired by Modron's own relationship to Urien. Urien himself was never Morgan's husband in the beginning.
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Here is another example of the Medieval writers contradicting themselves: Blasine, wife of Neutres and Mother of Galeschin, being the daughter of the Duke of Tintagel, instead of Igraine's purported first husband. Galeschin compounds the contradiction by saying Uther is the second husband, negating an earlier husband before the Duke.
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And finally, an interesting tidbit: Igraine herself is not the Duke of Tintagel's only wife. Igraine is his second wife. This son who inherits the dukedom is unknown, but my own speculation hints it might be Cador, but that has its own problems.
Lol "The Duke was an Ugly Man" XD
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laurellerual · 2 years ago
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Gawain, Clarissant,  Igraine and Morgause at the château des Merveilles
From Le Roman de Perceval ou le conte du Graal, by Chrétien de Troyes
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eynsavalow · 4 months ago
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uniquevocashark · 2 years ago
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Whenever I get stuck in the forbidden happy end fic I simply add something a bit silly. Therefore, igraine blatantly threatens to kill and shove a man into a barrel for being a slightly awkward teacher and daring to introduce himself for her
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gawrkin · 6 months ago
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To a degree, its because modern writers and readers take for granted the Arthurian world is not very grounded as a setting. It is full of weird, dated, high-minded concepts that fly over most peoples' heads.
Namely, there's an element that modern works often ignore in their understanding of the mythos: The Ovidian Love Madness.
Love as a genuine, independent and physical force that compels the characters to do whatever the plots needs them to do and, more importantly, it is "an inborn sickness" as described by Andreas Capellanus - a quasi-mental illness - something the in-story characters cannot deny or control because of it being imbedded in a character's being.
Long story short, Uther Pendragon, and Lancelot, are "slaves" to Love itself, to the point they could DIE if their love isn't fulfilled.
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This is the rationale for why Uther needs to shapeshift into Igraine's husband and have sex with her instead of just simply defeat Gorlois and take Igraine - Uther can't wait, he could really die if he doesn't sleep with her in time.
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Its a strange principle similar to the Love potion from Tristan and Isolde: It's not their fault, the Power of Love made them do this, their agency as men is compromised.
This might sound strange to modern ears since obviously, unless really you are mentally ill (something ancient and medieval people had no conception of), no feeling of love can make you do horrible shit and we value personal responsibility.
But chivalric romance is fundamentally fiction, the medieval people understood that, and it is boring if Uther just simply killed Gorlois and took Igraine after. Uther becomes somewhat sympathetic if he is genuinely sick from Love.
An interesting change about Arthurian retellings I’ve noticed is the portrayal of Uther. Older texts, from the middle ages to the 1960s or so, tend to portray him as a formerly good man driven mad by love and obsession. Even in antiquity, stealing another man’s wife by deception was not considered “good”, but it tied in thematically with other self-destructive lovers (Arthur and Morgause, Guinevere and Lancelot, Tristan and Isolde.) Nowadays, when we’ve come to understand his actions as not just illicit seduction but outright rape, works tend to have him either be evil all along or else have Igraine have a consensual affair with him. I imagine you could still do the “formerly good man descends into villainy” telling, but you’d want to go a lot more openly villainous than, say Thomas Malory was.
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fuckyeaharthuriana · 3 months ago
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mordred through time (movies, tv shows, opera and musicals)
Part 5: From 2018 to 2023 (and 2024)
Other Parts: Part 1: From 1949 to 1981 -> here Part 2: From 1982 to 2002 -> here Part 3: From 2002 to 2010 -> here Part 4: From 2014 to 2017 -> here
For this last part I wanted to talk a bit about queer Mordred!
First of all, Mordred is one of the main characters who is written as LGBTQ in novels and other media. My arthurian excel list of queer arthurian characters (arthurian list of everything, in the LGBTQ sheet) is up to a few years ago, but the numbers seem to be: LGBTQ Lancelot in 16 media, Arthur in 13 media which is equal to Mordred who is also LGBTQ in 13 media (two being interpretations: White's "The once and future king" and "Fall of Camelot" fromt he Time Life books). Most of these are, of course, novels, with the first ever appearance of LGBTQ Mordred in 1956 Borowsky's novel "The Queen's knight", where Mordred is a gay man. Then in 1982 Cherryh's "Port Eternity" has asexual Mordred, even if the characters could be debated on how arthurian they are. We then jump to 1997 with the short story "The Pretender" by Stephen Dedman, with mlm Mordred.
2005 "A Connecticut Fashionista in King Arthur's Court" by Mari Mancusi (gay Mordred) 2006 "Mordred bastard son" by Douglas Clegg (gay Mordred) 2008 "The Silurian series" by Wilson (gay Mordred) 2012 "The Prince and the Program" by Mercer (bisexual Mordred) 2014 "Mordred and the king" by Curlovich (gay Mordred)
In movies, shows and musicals instead we could consider 2008 musical Mordred the first iteration of queer Mordred (part 3). This is of course an interpretation and it might probably just be a case of queer-coding of villains that reminds of Disney movies. Still, there is no doubt Bobby Steggert, who is an out gay actor (at the time, now he is a therapist) played an obvious queer coded Mordred.
It is only in 2014 that we have an explicit LGBTQ Mordred with "High Noon over Camelot" which also for the first time ever introduces Mordred as a trans man. From 2017 we also get introduced to Fate's Mordred (Fate/Aprocrypha and subsequient movies and stage shows) whose gender has always been a debated topic. I already talked about it in part 4, but Mordred in Fate is definitely written as a non binary character. In 2018 the webseries "The Campaign for Camelot" has Mordred as a protagonist and mlm, with a romance as well (another male character in the show). The last time we saw Mordred with a romance was back in the 60s, in the movie "Sword of Lancelot"!
I think the most interesting thing is that Mordred is without a doubt the character who is the most interpreted as LGBTQ in movies and tv shows. From memory, the only other characters are Morgana (in the Netflix's "Cursed", webseries "Legend" and "The Campaign for Camelot"), Lancelot (in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", "High Noon over Camelot" and "Spamalot"), Galahad (in Josh Ritter's song "Galahad"), Arthur ("High noon over Camelot") and Merlin (webseries "Legend").
2018 Arthur et les enfants de la Table Ronde: This is a two-seasons French animated show that narrates the adventures of Arthur, an orphan kid living in Uther's kingdom. The show has other arthurian characters as kids (Guinevere, Gawain, Sagramore, Morgana) and Mordred himself is also a kid. Morgause and Igraine (Morgana's sisters) are the main villain and Mordred (their cousin) is also a villain. The voice from the clip is from the Italian dub but the original French voice actor was Ricardo Richter.
2018 The Campaign for Camelot (webseries): This websites (you can watch it here) is a complete 78 short episodes series where different modern arthurian characters decide to run for the school board against Arthur's wishes. Mordred is one of the main protagonists and he is introduced in episode 7. Over the series he also develops a romance with Izzy (Iddawg, from “The Dream of Rhonabwy”). To clarify, in the clip Mordred is the guy without the glasses and the darker shirt! And he is played by Dylan Martin.
2018/2019 OSK's Knights of the Round Table musical: This clip is from a recording but a dvd also exists. OSK is a Japanese theater company of all women. Mordred was interpreted by Momo Mika. The story of the musical follows the classical Arthur-Guinevere-Lancelot triangle with Mordred appearing (as Arthur's son) in the second part of the story.
2020 Arthur and Merlin: Knights of Camelot: A much less exciting movie than I expected, focusing on Arthur trying to reclaim Camelot after Mordred betrays him. Mordred (played by Joel Phillimore) plays Arthur's son and the villain of the story. He often uses threats of sexual violence towards Guinevere.
2020 Fate/Grand Order the movie: Camelot: Another installment in the Fate series. This movie is set in the Grand Order timeline (different from Apocrypha), but Mordred is still a very similar character and they are still voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro. The original title is Fate/Grand Order: Shinsei Entaku Ryouiki Camelot 1 - Wandering; Agateram as in 2020 only part 1 released. Part 2 is called Fate/Grand Order: Shinsei Entaku Ryouiki Camelot - Paladin; Agateram and was released in 2021. Basically part one is Wandering Agateram and part two is Paladin Agateram. Different from other Fate series, this one is set in the past (in 1273 A.D.).
2021 Fate/Grand Order: The Grand Temple of Time: Another movie based on the videogame Fate/Grand Order... please do not ask me the plot, I just know Mordred is not as present here as in the previous movie or as in Fate/Apocrypha.
2021 Le Roi Arthus opera: This is a 1895 opera written by Ernest Chausson and sung in French. I already talked about it before, just know this is the most recent iteration of it and the only video we have of the opera performed in arthurian clothes (the previous filmed performance was a modernization). Mordred was played by baritone Justin Austin.
2023 Camelot Revival: The return of the musical Camelot! There are a few bootlegs around (at least 4 of them) if you want to watch it, but I am not allowed to share them. Still, I got them from asking a gift on the reddit BootlegsGifts. As I still have to watch it I cannot comment on any possible difference here, just know this version was extremely successful. Mordred is played by Taylor Trensch, and Hawley Gould was his understudy (not in audio).
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queer-ragnelle · 1 month ago
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There's a cool Merlin ballet that's streaming on Marquee TV (and hopefully not to disappear to the voids of space & time) They do the thing where they use Arthurian characters but make up a story, but it's pretty charming, with a neat-o dragon. marquee. tv/videos/northern-ballet-merlin
Whoa this looks sick!!
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And the cast list!
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I'd love to see this. Anyone have a subscription to the ballet service and able to grab it for us?
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oneshoulderangel · 2 years ago
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I will die on the hill that Gorlois was a wonderful husband who loved and respected Igraine till the day he drew his last breath. I reject any evidence to the contrary.
Quotes from the history of the kings of Britain by Geoffrey of Monmouth (except for that one note, obviously)
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theredandwhiteknight-if · 8 months ago
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💧 DROPLET - random angst headcanon
Oooh this is a fun one
Guinevere- Guinevere is deeply worried about her security as Queen. She knows she was only chosen because she was a beautiful lady with a wealthy dowry and that she could be easily replaced since she has no children. She is determined to prove herself vital to Arthur’s reign and to get knights loyal to her so that he can’t just get rid of her if he feels like it.
Arthur- When Arthur first pulled the sword out of the stone, he was forced to do this repeatedly for many of the lords to prove himself. During these travels, he was separated from Kay and Ector to be protected by Uther’s old knights. Teen Arthur was terrified and alone for the first year of his “Kingship” and now barely lets Kay go on adventures so he can’t lose him again.
Gawain- Gawain once had a committed relationship with a fairy named Blanchemal. It lasted for quite awhile and Gawain hoped to marry her before she disappeared one day. He never figure out whether she left or was harmed in some way. Because of that, Gawain is wary of starting another committed relationship.
Morgan- Morgan was the closest of all her siblings to Igraine. After Igraine was forced to marry Uther, she clung to Morgan as much as she could when Morgan was allowed to visit from the nunnery. She keeps a locket Igraine gave to her on herself always. Arthur looks so much like Uther. Sometimes it’s hard for Morgan to even look at Arthur.
Galehaut- While Galehaut maintains a strong relationship with his maternal giant family, his father’s family are very distant with him. They were really against his father marrying a giantess and never really got over it. Part of the reason he is so desperate to prove himself as king is because his paternal cousins have been trying to question his right to rule and replace him.
Agravaine- Agravaine… did not have a good relationship with their father. They were always compared negatively to Gawain for anything. Lot openly favored Gaheris and Gareth over them and often derided Agravaine. Agravaine unsurprisingly doesn’t care about avenging their father but thinks this proves Lot’s opinion right because what kind of person is relieved at their own father’s death?
Sybil- Sybil is desperate for some sort of purpose. They never really had a community with their family and while they love Vivian and Morgan, the Lake and Avalon haven’t really been homes for them. They’re desperate to find a place that actually feels like home to them, because a fairy without a community is a pariah.
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dreamersinthedaylightinspo · 6 months ago
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I keep writing the Thing about the siege of the Day Court under Amarantha and the Illyrians and long story short I actually made myself cry while writing this so I'm sharing it completely out of context
There were legends, in Illyria.
                Everyone knew the story of Igraine, who had become the Queen of Night, plucked like a flower from the barren mountainside. Scores had seen how Prince Rhysand had picked up the lowest bastards he could find, and bestowed them his favor, spiriting them off to a place that ordinary Illyrians did not and could not ever know.
                But they said it was beautiful, the Court of Dreams. The streets paved with starlight, and precious jewels growing from the trees like fruits. Tables overflowing, feasts every day, warm and soft beds with feather-stuffed pillows, and peace.
                Many people believed it was a myth but Azeneth had always been sure that he’d find it one day. If he worked hard and long enough. If he proved himself to the High Lord, who was half his kin by blood. If he trained more vigorously, if he went where he was told and fought the enemies of their court, and culled the weak from their ranks, and killed all the shameful, secret parts of himself that were unbecoming of a true warrior. Only then, once all the enemies were dead, would he be worth. Then he would see it. Then, he would be free.
                But he thought of Pyrrha. She was not his enemy. She was no one’s enemy, no matter what High Lords or High Queens would try to convince them. Even now, as he sat here, staring into the dark, she was fighting for her truth, her friends, her court.
                She was beautiful, and brave, and unlike the Court of Dreams, he knew for certain that she was real.
                Azeneth made a choice.
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gawrkin · 3 months ago
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Some (horrible?) errant thoughts:
Arthur has no facial hair except a giant honking Walrus Mustache, Celtic style
Palamedes, a Babylonian pagan, worships Ishtar
A lot of Morgan le Fay and Guinevere's antics could be summed up by Taylor Swift songs.
Elaine (of Corbenic) is a gym girl
King Mark neighs when no-ones around
Gawain IS fluent in Chinese. So is Elaine of Corbenic for some reason (!!??)
Tristan and Isolde have had shapeshifter sex with each other using every animal form they could find in the forest. Tristan has indeed given birth to many animal children.
Merlin has many bastard daughters, who are all feral and hairy
A hypothetical "original" version of Knight of the Cart has Melwas picking up the Sword-Bridge and smacking Arthur with it. It fails. Spectacularly.
Dame Silence is...
Uther Pendragon often comes back from the dead just to shit talk about Camelot to the court's face.
Igraine is a conwoman (she got it from her dad, Amleth). This embarrasses Morgan but not Elaine and Morgause.
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cestacruz · 8 months ago
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I want to learn more about the master Artoria Au
🥹❤️❤️ueueueu
It's quite more extensive than Just the Holy Grail War
The lineup until now is
Saber: Musashi and Iori Miyamoto (Master(s) in the works)
Archer: James Moriarty (Master is Cassidy, i already posted something bout her)
Lancer: (Might be) Qin Liangyu (master in the works)
Rider: Ludwig van Beethoven (I already have her master but i refuse to post about them for now. I need dignity. I'll say two words to describe them tho: Hatsune Miku)
Caster: Zeno of Elea (no master yet)
Assassin: Hassan of the Shining Star (no master yet either) (also funnily enough, ive had Shining Star in this AU since two years ago, so imagine my surprise when he got released LMAO)
And well, Berserker: Queen Guinevere (and yknow, master Arturia)
It's sorta a modern AU but not at the same time, i'll put a cut here because its long and i ramble
It's not a Forced project to bring Arthur back like with Gray but the alternate name i use for this AU in my notes is "The Once and Future King" so...
History repeating itself sorta thing but without the doomed narrative (unless.) (Haha just kidding...) (...unle--)
The "pendragon|orkney" family does exist (as in mom(igraine)(she's alive), dad(uther)(he left them), morgan and lot, and nephews and nieces (morgan lost a bet to 5 year old arturia and had to name her kids after the knights) and more arthuriana characters are scattered around too, but they dont have an importance to the HGW part of the AU, with the exception of a few
They still call her Arturia (TECHNICALLY they call her Arthuria, because i love that name and no one will take it from me) because the few years that Uther was with them, he called Arturia "Arthur" because he wanted a boy and he couldnt cope (theres the History repeats itself motif and also misogynistic men like that still exist), so Morgan used Arthur*ia* as a nickname, and it stuck
This is where i will confess that im thinking of using a different name for Arturia, i already Kinda do in my notes. As in legal name (thinking of Aurlyn, which is similar but different enough). I would be doing the same with some of the Orkney siblings whose names would not be as common in the modern world or too obvious a reference, while still being named after the knights (Gareth would stay as Gareth cuz thats literally still a mormal name people use, but a name like Agravain or Mordred arent as common, ig. Or Gawain. And Gaheris. Actually only Gareth has a mormal fcking name)
ALSO mordred is Morgan and Lot's kid in this. No weird cloning in my modern AU. Genetics from the pendragon hit hard tho, they still look like Arturia
Actually idk what else to say rn, theres some more stuff but its escaping my mind, so little random stuff
Arturia's family has little to no mage relation currently, but they still have mage blood and sht
Also Merlin manipulated Morgan(modern) using her literal dreams, into freeing him from Avalon and he used to that hang out with little kid Arturia at the park (everyone hates him/chases him away)
The reason why Cath Palug is there is because this AU follows the F/SN timeline, which is a timeline in which Chaldeas never formed. Therefore, Fou never learned to love people, teehee. He only learned to hate Merlin and King Arthur (?)
Also theres a modern Guinevere, tho her name is literally just Gwen, and Arturia and her met during high school Time but they werent Actually classmates (think like, tournaments or trips to other school/places). I called her "arturia's high school crush" in the tags of a previous ask but they are still friends and talk a lot
And yeah , thank u and i am, Very happy that you asked bout it
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