#profandom

[ivan-braginski-2001]

I love when antis compare a drawing to real CSAM (the definitely care about victims guys!!!!!)

[even-more-pro-fiction-jellicle]

"If you could go back in time to prevent one thing from happening, what would it be?"

Letting normies and mainstreamers into fandom spaces.

[catharsis-scrawled]

Since combating the rise of "proship" as a noun and verb seems like a lost cause at this point, I feel like the next best thing might be to just take the corrupted definition and corrupt it again. Call all our ships proships no matter how soft and fluffy. Make proshipping synonymous with shipping. And when all the ships are pro, none of them will be.

[xts-reverse-bangx]

Sing ups are here!

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Hello! We're happy to announce that sing ups are officially open!

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What is this event?

[weaselbeaselpants]

Since I don't want to link it back to two scenarios so...um...immediate, I'll just say; the "Suffering just makes you hurt"-mantra is one I def subscribe to in day to day life, even in small, trivial' things like fandomwars.

I had a person get pissed at me once cuz I defended antishippers. They explained and showed me how they'd been harassed and abused by antis for no reason other than calling themselves a proshiper - no, NOT for actually liking anything with r@pe/cest/p3doshipping - just Reylo *in theory*. They got treated like a literal predator not for anything they actually did but for the title that genuine creeps have decided to use for their kink as this person did for their safe shit and they got blasted for it....and then this person proceeded to call me a cword and accused me of condoning their abuse by proxy of me saying " I don't think antis are inherently evil, actually".

I get it. When you put up with harassment from people touting their selfdeclared fandomom as some kind of badge of honor, of COURSE I understand turning your back on everyone who calls themselves that same thing! That's just, like, a survival instinct. You don't want to be reminded of your tormentor(s) because you really shouldn't have to be reminded of your tormentor(s) while you're browsing fandumb inbetween school or work. You want to keep your tormentors at bay so no triggering shit ppl are romanticizing or covert bigotry someone's hiding under the language of criticism to get in the way of your vibes when this is your fandom and your space to be creative and unwind and be you. I really get it.

The problem is, and the reason I DON'T put up with antianti or antiproshipper shit, that's labeling a whole lot of strangers inherently bad over not having the exact fandom takes and conflating that with your legitimate ethics of outing predators and bigots...THAT is what's shitty.

I know for a fact that not all the people who tag their shit #proship even fully agree on what proship means. I know they are not all predators or even don't care about predators being in their fandoms. Trust me, they care. Some of the #antiship folks I know are the most lax mf w it comes to content warnings, horror, kinks and nuance and also really hate call out posts and want to avoid them as much as they can. I know they are not all self-righteous prudes and bigots trying to get kink out of pride or some shit. THAT SAID- if I haven't already seen creepypredatorybs from proshippers or bigotedbully-tactics from antis, I can definitely believe those things exist in those spaces. But again, those behaviors exist whether or not a person uses these self-given labels. You shouldn't throw your hands in defeat anymore then your shouldn't declare yourself the sole liberator.

Blocked the proshipper-stan I was of talking about because I kind of don't like being called a cant and told I'm okay with death threats...just like I did the antishipper who was sending me death threats that same day =). I know I don't have to deal with that bs and I'm glad I took that advice from a mutual abt my own personal boundaries.

Call out shitty behavior all you want, but the absolutist-rhetoric is not healthy and, more importantly, not doing anything to help people being abused by fandomculture anymore than you were when you first got accosted for disliking a thing that made you upset/liking a thing that made someone else upset. You gotta share your fandom with everyone so long as they're not bigoted, abusive or predatory. And yeah, I kind of reserve all those notions for people I can tell ARE doing those things...so, y'know Lily Orchard.

[dead-pidoves-dirt-takes]

Genuinely I think if you act like fan content is not and can never be as good as the source material or you think it’s “lazy” because people aren’t coming up with their own worlds/characters/settings then maybe you shouldn’t consume any fan content at all. Seeing as you have no respect for the people creating it.

Only consume published source material created to profit then, if you think fan content will always be lazier than creating your own worlds. Leave the people who appreciate that fan content is an act and labour of love, and acknowledge that fan content in itself can create talented and skilled people who are able to publish and produce works of their own.

And regardless, even if it isn’t as skilled as a professional publisher, that will never be an excuse to deem something as worthless, and therefore okay to censor lmao. It’s fun to create, it’s fun to engage in and it is really fun to see content be shared with you and to see other peoples stuff. That is a good enough reason as to why it shouldn’t be censored or taken down.

-Birdy and Twig 🍂

[jaycemeswain]

Diluc doing some reading and Kaeya just needed to interrupt his man's peace. (This can be read both romantically or platonically)

[jaycemeswain]

This works with my fursona art as well as my selfship art. I have a document on my pc with ideas I have yet to do for both

I seriously need to make more

[panicroomsammy]

“Tell your mom you want to fuck that character”

Yeah I told her and SHE made up a story about it and threw a woman in there too because she knows I’m bisexual

[franki-lew-yo]

Really, though - I think the question that should always be asked first in your head before you start "____ discourse" ever is this:

do you want to find like minded people who know your pain about the fandom/character/ship you don't like and you get to have a nice healthy betch-back-and-forth over how much that thing/character/ship sucks,

or,

do you actively want to make people upset by needlessly thrashing on their comfort zone even though they and their fandom did nothing to you?

[ivan-braginski-2001]

More anti stuff

[jaycemeswain]

Yes, Fischl/Amy from genshin is pretty much my fictional nemesis. Until Hoyoverse decides she can finally be herself, I create theories and scenarios in which I get her out of that shell. She doesn't deserve that vision that she clearly only got because she has a piece of the electro archon's sister's pet attached to her

I want to know if like. F/O enemies are a thing. Fictional rivals. Fictional enemies. F/Es if u will. I wanna know if anyone has anything like that. Like I know romantic f/os and platonic f/os and familial f/os exist but do you have. Like a nemesis. A character you loathe (affectionate) and think of scenarios for. Like in the way Dr doofenshmirtz says Perry is his nemesis. Or maybe in a serious way like a super hero/villain type thing. Idk I’ve been thinking about this for a while

If this breaks out of the self ship community bls dni also proshipper bls get out

[xx-lun4c3st-xx]

if 2025 is the resurgence of the 2020 alt aesthetic, then u have to accept proshippers as a large part of the “bunny hat kids” were profic proship and profandom, anticringe in all forms, we gotta vring mogai back for a 3rd time too

[catharsis-scrawled]

Having some thoughts about antishipper psychology.

Recently I've been occasionally having unpleasant dreams with incest, something that never happened before I became aware of modern fandom discourse. That's an effect it's had on my brain as someone who is secure in the moral neutrality of my thoughts, and is neither constantly worrying about nor seeking out incest content, but is being reminded of it's existence more often.

Dedicated antishippers though--I worry they're thinking about incest and pedophilia so much that they're training themselves into intrusive thoughts. For us, it's easy to say "Just avoid things you don't like" but for an antishipper, a glimpse at the bad ship threatens to make it stick in their mind as they try too hard to not think about it and find it attractive, causing guilt and fear. Then those feelings give credence to the idea that this fiction is dangerous and could turn them into a pedophile if they aren't careful, increasing the paranoia, which increases the intrusive thoughts, and it's self perpetuating.

[fuck-radqueers]

Proshippers change their names and labels to stay relevant

If you block the proship tag, you will still be tackled by profiction, anti-harassment, profandom and whatnot

[weaselbeaselpants]

You wanna know an example of "this sets me off for personal reasons even if it IS 'just fiction' and not inherently harmful to anyone else"-media I was talking about? You want an example of how something fictional can hurt you even if it absolutely doesn't intend to?

Where the Wild Things Are (2009). My sister and I hate that movie.

It's a hatred exacerbated by the fact that I HATE PUPPETS STOP LIEKING DARK CRYSTAL**, we think it's pretentious, abelist (like hell), cruel, and also us both needing some cheering up and god did that movie NOT do it for us. Legit, 9 is a more rewarding positive movie from that year. All of that is me dunking on the movie for what's in it's control and so me 'hating' it in general, I guess.

But what I really hate is Carol absolutely reminds me of my dad.

My dad was deeply depressed and rage-prone and shot up my mom's china and threatened my sister's animals while we stayed in a safe house to avoid him. My dad who didn't want to but absolutely drove us away in his own self-destruction.

Everything about Carol reeks of my dad kind of especially since, while he's supposed to be the kid's emotions or whatever personified as a monster, he's played by a grown man. All that does is haunt me even more because it reminds me of how my dad was genuinely hurt by us leaving but whom we just couldn't stand to be around anymore because of his aggression. My sister and I both saw that movie the year our dad drove us away and then a year after he died from phnemonia that he got drinking himself to death in his misery.

I want this known to anyone reading this post: Where the Wild Things Are is not an objectively bad movie. You are not a bad, ableist person if you like that movie for any reason hon you do you. I'm happy for you.

I'm saying: keep that shit away from me. I genuinely don't wanna be all "cuz music killed my grandma" here cuz no, it didn't literally do that. But I use the tags I'm using now not just to stay out of your guys' way ((you could always "not look")) but because it hurts too much in the current day and brings up unpleasant emotions inside myself.

If you have any feelings like the kind I just described for a fictional character/couple/story- don't let ANYONE tell you to just 'get over it' and 'you can just not look'. You're entitled to your own comfortzone within your own fandom. You're also, however, responsible, and should not be using your pain to hurt people who aren't doing real harm by blacklisting them or putting them on a DNI list by way of liking that thing you hate.

Put people on DNI lists for things that are bad, not just things you hate.