#pro stolitz

[hellaversity]

Holier than thou attitude combined with total hypocrisy, since 9 times out of 10 every time someone hates Stolitz for being "toxic" they turn around and ship something way more toxic than it, like Blitzker, RadioApple, RadioStatic or VoxVal. They're just mad Stolitz gets more attention than THEIR favorite toxic yaoi ship. And that's when they aren't being straight up homophobic. Both parties are usually part of the hate-watcher crowd, too.

It's not like I can't understand why some people would hate Stolitz, I get it's not for everyone and we all have our own ship preferences (also, Idk about y'all, but I literally have no control over who I ship with who, either the ship chooses me or it doesn't).

But it's the "holier than thou" attitude these haters have that I cannot fucking stand. Acting like Stolitz can only be valid if it's the most healthy pure relationship imaginable, instead of the layered complicated mess that makes them so appealing in the first place. Like, we're talking about fictional ships in a fictional world here, not real life partners, so don't judge them like that.

I mean, I also have a HB ship that I hate and have blacklisted, because seeing it pisses me off and grosses me out (not even because of "unhealthy" reasons, I just hate it because I hate it), but I acknowledge that's my own problem to deal with and as long as people tag it properly and don't shove this ship in my face, we're cool.

And I assume most people have no idea what ship I'm even talking about, unless you're really good at guessing based on what ship I never post about on here or if I happened to have told you directly, because it came up in conversation.

[sopphic27]

Fun Fact: A lot of the Stolas antis compare him to Valentino off all people

H. How. What show are these people watching.

Okay so, this has been sitting in my drafts for a while, but let's get down to it. This post got wildly out of hand.

TL;DR: Valentino and Stolas have some superficial similarities, but Valentino is an abusive overlord who gained his power through exploitation and uses it to be abusive, meanwhile Stolas was incidentally born into his power and at worst is ignorant but well-meaning. Their behavior onscreen and interactions with their subordinates and their partners is night and day.

Valentino: a human sinner who is an overlord, so he owns countless souls of other sinners. He "employs" others demons as erotic dancers, adult film actors, and sex workers. I say "employs" in quotes, because I get the feeling that a lot of these people don't necessarily get a choice. He's blatantly manipulative, physically and sexually abusive, and generally just an asshole. For the sake of this comparison, I'm going to focus on his relationship with Angel Dust.

Stolas: a hellborn Goetia prince, he is said to have legions to command and share his knowledge with, and he canonically and on screen has a staff of servants, security, etc made up of (that we've seen) imps and hellhounds. His staff seems to have standard jobs such as serving meals, delivering messages, cleaning up, and whatnot. We don't know much more about them, however. He's socially anxious and awkward, very intelligent, and he behaves publicly in a very regal and reserved manner expected of a prince. In private, however, he seems more friendly and polite to the people he interacts with, with the exception of people he dislikes (e.g. Stella, Striker, Andrealphus). I'll focus on his relationship with Blitz pre-Apology Tour for this comparison, but I'm also going to address his interactions with his staff.

Before anything else, I'm going to call Angel and Blitz their "partners" even though that's not technically accurate. I'm not actually suggesting that Val and Angel are in a relationship or are each other's partners, same for Stolas and Blitz, but I don't have a better word for "the other person in the relationship".

So what are their similarities?

Both Valentino and Stolas are of higher status than their partner.

They are both demons that have magical abilities while their partners do not. (Comparatively. Angel Dust may have some abilities, but we haven't really seen him display them beyond some glowing eyes)

They're both much more powerful than their partners, physically, magically, and socially.

They have some sort of contract with their partner (Pre-Full Moon)

They both have a lot of employees and staff working for them.

They have red eyes.

They're, um. Skinny? I'm running out of similarities.

So I would say that they do have a number of superficial similarities, but I want to dive in to these similarities a little deeper.

Stolas was born into his status as a prince, so was Blitz as an imp. Say what you want about the social hierarchy in Hell, but they do live in a society, and imps are basically the bottom of the pyramid in Hell. The point is, Stolas didn't choose to become a prince, he just is. Valentino, however, had to climb to achieve his status. He died and manifested in Hell same as any other sinner, but he managed to climb the ladder, made deals to own other sinners' souls, amassed power, and after however long, became an overlord. To each their own, but in my opinion, this means that he chose to become an overlord by exploiting other sinners, just like any real life business mogul. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a monarchist, but being born into power and taking it by choice are still very different.

Similarly, their magic is very different. We haven't seen much magic from Val, but we know that he has a certain amount of power over Angel, he produces that pink liquid with unclear properties, and we know from other overlords that he probably has more abilities that we haven't seen. We have seen a few displays of Stolas's power, though. He can use telekinesis, create portals, possess people, turn people into stone with a look, etc, and he can transform into a giant owl monster. So yeah, he's crazy powerful. But again, Stolas was born into his power, he's a Goetia prince, he inherited and honed his magical abilities through study and practice. Overlords seem to gain a lot of their power by owning souls, though this isn't actually totally clear. Regardless, Valentino has power over Angel as a direct result of his contract owning his soul.

So both of them have definite power differences with their partners. The key difference, however, is how they use this power imbalance in their relationships. Valentino literally owns Angel's soul, he uses his power over Angel to control him, manipulate him, force him to do things, abuse him, etc. He is blatantly physically abusive to Angel, we see him hit Angel, drag him around, push him down, grab him by the neck, and yank on his chains. He's also very psychologically abusive, he threatens him and his friends, insults and demeans him, and holds his contract in front of him to remind him of their deal and make Angel feel helpless. He's just awful.

Stolas is very very different in how he treats Blitz and their relationship. I mean there's the obvious, he is never physically abusive toward Blitz. And before any of the Stella sympathizers come at me, he's never been physically abusive toward her either, he just BLOCKED her hand as she attempted to strike him. If you ask me, it seems like she has probably done that before! He never intentionally demeaned Blitz, he never tried to hold their agreement over his head, he doesn't even seem to have forced Blitz to do anything sexually against his will. Plus he's a fucking bottom. He is aware of their difference in power, but he never intentionally abuses it. The only times he's ever insulted Blitz were either teasingly (e.g. "Oh and your memory is so perfect? What's [Moxxie's] phone number? Exactly.") or after he had already ended their arrangement and was upset with him (e.g. during their argument in Apology Tour). Even then, it really comes off as him pointing out Blitz's flaws and his hypocrisies after Blitz broke his heart. If you were to compare the beginning of Apology Tour to any scene between Val and Angel, the difference is crystal fucking clear.

And let's talk about their contracts. Valentino, as previously stated, literally OWNS Angel's SOUL. It's written in ink and legally and magically binding. Literally. Whatever deal Angel made with Valentino is basically irrelevant since at the point in the show that we see, the only thing he really gets from Valentino is a job. He used to get housing, it seems, but he gave that up to live at the hotel. I don't think he gets any kind of protection, but that's just speculation on my part. For Angel, it seems like there is no way out of his deal with Valentino, only Val can release him, and he doesn't want to because Angel makes him money. Stolas and Blitz have basically a verbal agreement, made over the phone. "Favors for favors." Stolas lets Blitz use his grimoire, the spell book given to him to perform his royal duties, something that he's definitely not supposed to be lending out to anyone, let alone an imp. Blitz needs the grimoire to be able to get to Earth, which is the most important aspect of his business in killing living people. Stolas also needs the grimoire for his job, but he lends it to Blitz for all but one day of the month. In return, he asks Blitz to spend the night with him so they can have sex. Blitz agrees to this arrangement, very willingly, and in my opinion, he gets the better end of the deal, especially considering the fact that he seems to like fucking Stolas. Now, by definition, this arrangement lowkey makes Blitz a prostitute. He is exchanging sex for the ability to run his business. But this arrangement is not written down anywhere, it's just an agreement between Blitz and Stolas while they're both happy with their end of the deal. Eventually, however, Stolas doesn't feel happy with it anymore because he's developed genuine feelings for Blitz and is uncomfortable that he feels like he's exploiting Blitz. So he calls off the arrangement in the hopes that they can start a new relationship on equal footing. He gives Blitz the Asmodean Crystal, arguably a better tool for Blitz's business than the grimoire was because it's easier to use, and they no longer have to exchange sex for the grimoire. He gifts the crystal to Blitz, no strings attached, and tells him that he cares for him and wants him to stay. Even when the conversation goes south, Stolas doesn't take back the crystal or even indicate that it's something that he would do. It's Blitz who's then uncomfortable because he feels like he needs to be doing something to "earn" the crystal. But that's his baggage, and not the point right now. The point is that in Val and Angel's contract, Val has the more favorable end of the deal, and he's the only one who can end the contract between them, and he probably won't. In Stolas and Blitz's arrangement, Blitz had the better end of the deal, and either of them could have backed out of the deal, but ultimately Stolas chose to end it, and he made sure that Blitz didn't suffer any consequences to his business as a result of their deal ending.

Now moving away from the relationships with Angel and Blitz, both Val and Stolas have employees, lower status demons working for them. Val's employees are mostly sinners whose souls he (or one of the other Vee's) owns, and then there's Kitty, the off-brand Robo-Fizz. Based on how he treats Angel and the other actors and people around him, I think it's fair to say that he's not a very kind and considerate boss. He's physically and verbally abusive, he's controlling and demanding, he's short-tempered and violent, and he clearly has no respect for scheduled work hours since he calls Angel in whenever he fucking wants. We don't see Stolas interacting with his staff as much, but what we do see is pretty standard for how a royal might treat a servant, with a neutral and stoic attitude. He's not necessarily friendly to his staff from what we see, but at least he's not actively abusive. I mean compare how Stella treats the imp butler and how Stolas does.

She grabs him by the arm and throws him full force at the wall during an argument with Stolas, while also dehumanizing him (de-demonizing?). He shows up again a little later in a state. Poor guy. The worst he ever gets from Stolas is this:

Not great, but definitely not as violent as Stella. My interpretation of Stolas with his imp staff is that he's at worst negligent and careless with them, but he's not nearly as intentionally violent.

And I was joking about the physical similarities, the majority of the cast have red eyes. I'm not even taking shots at Vivzie's character design.

I don't know how this got so long, I just had a lot of thoughts.

[hellaversity]

Reminder that ch*footsteps is responsible for the Hazbin Hotel leaks. Not only has he tried to doxx Viv's siblings over Blitzker, he illegally tried to release fake footage of Hazbin Hotel season 2 without any permission from Vivizepop or SpindleHorse. Again, over a fictional ship between fictional characters. He became a hate-watcher and has been bashing Viv ever since Western Energy came out and got pissed that his fantasies of Striker "saving" Blitzø from his made up, fanon version of Stolas didn't become true. He has written several fanfics involving NTR and beastiality. The worst part is that he has many followers who support him and try to justify his actions. He started a whole cult and committed actual felonies over a damn ship. This man is a criminal and if posts on Twitter saying he's been thrown in jail because of the Hazbin leaks are telling the truth, god fucking bless because Ch*i is finally getting exactly what he deserves.

[big-royal-chicken]

Reminder that this is a pro-Stolas/Stolitz blog.

I know my boy is flawed and that their relationship is going through the wringer. But I will not accept brainless bashing of how he’s a “wimpy demon lord” or a “whiny prick”.

I love him and I will defend him.

[stupid-pig-came-home]

To the people who CONSTANTLY keep saying that Stolitz is bad, Stolitz is fan service, Stolitz is for the yaoi fangirls, Stolitz is this, Stolitz is that....

You do realize that the team has to write the scriptS plural FIRST, have the voice actors record their lines NEXT, and THEN the storyboard artists and the rough/clean up-animators and special effects artists get to do their part of the project with all the information and the material that they have, right, RIGHT?

And besides, Vivienne, Brandon, and Adam have to come to a SOLID AGREEMENT before anything actually gets recorded, or drawn, or animated.

So Stolitz is NOT happening because of creepy fangirls wanting to see two cute guys be together. Its just that FINALLY a fandom got a potential gay relationship becoming an actual loving couple within their series, and the "antis" and "haters" and "critics" are pissed off that their relationship is not being handled in a pure and squeaky clean manner,

or maybe it's because both are canonically male characters... (Blitz talks about his penis regularly, and Stolas was forced to get a woman pregnant and have a child. So yeah both are cis-male characters.) ...and that makes them icky gays, who fuck up their situations on the regular, and THE PEOPLE WHO HATE IT JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT, NO NO NO, the gays have to be perfect little cliches and stereotypes with little or no conflict or trauma, or serious problems in their lives because that makes GAY PEOPLE A LITTLE TOO REAL FOR THEM, A LITTLE TOO HUMAN FOR THEM IF YOU WILL.

So, yeah screw the "antis", "critics", and "haters" and all silly names that these people were labeled, I'm pro-stolitz coming together and working their shit out and becoming a loving couple and blending their family. 💕🖕🖕🖕🖕🦉🦎

[helluvaneurospicy]

EDIT BC I FORGOT-TW FOR MENTION OF ABUSE, INCEST, PEDO, AND RACISM

o done with stolitz and stolas antis atp

Idc if you ship blitz with a character other than stolas as long as it’s not problematic(like incest or adult/child)

But I’m so done with stolas and stolitz antis. SO DONE

If you follow me and are a stolas basher/claim that he’s not a victim and a horrible demon, unfollow me. Please.

It’s almost like characters raised in an environment filled with racism and bigoted things will turn out to have that ingrained in them and o need to work on that

It’s also almost like characters who are systematically abused and forced to mature too quickly and feel horrible all the time don’t have the energy or time to work on their issues

It’s almost like characters who are ALSO abused and go through the trauma of losing their family way too early with no support, and have deep rooted self hatred that will take a LONG time to root out and deal with aren’t the characters to help other characters deal with their ingrained racism on top of abuse and early maturity(imagine yourself having a kid at 18. Stolas did. He was abused during this time.)

Yes they both have issues, yes they both have trauma, yes Stolas was/is abused/being abused by Stella

This is the hill I will die on.

[etherealabyss11037]

To all my Stolitz Shippers and Haters out there, what’s your opinion on these two fuckidoodles?

They’ve got a lot of issues to work on, but I genuinely believe they can work it out and be happy together once they’ve resolved their personal problems and accept themselves enough to believe their feelings for each other are worthwhile.

2. I believe they could be a good couple, but I’m afraid they’ve got too many issues between them to ever be a healthy, functional couple together and are destined to be star crossed lovers.

3. Idk man, I don’t really care about Stolitz in general.

4. This ship was built on a toxic foundation, and I don’t know if they can proceed with a truly normal, loving relationship in part because of their mutual baggage and communication issues.

5. Blitzo and Stolas need to stop seeing each other and/or start seeing other people, because they simply can’t work in the state they’re in.

6. This is genuinely one of the most dysfunctional, messy ships I’ve seen and can’t understand why the show or fans what it to happen, because there’s nothing about this relationship worth salvaging.

[darklinaforever]

This episode just killing me... in the best way possible !

[luneemeritus]

I LAUGHED SO HARD AT THIS THAT I SPITTED MY PIZZA OUT OF MY MOUTH 😭😭😭😭

it's so weird how antis try to force the mentality that stolitz is abusive and stolas is abusive

like?? we literally have stella (where a good part of people tries to deny her abuse), crimson, cash and paimon as examples of abuse in our faces

and in the other hellaverse series we have valentino! just look at the difference between his deal and stolas' deal, and the difference in treatment too

hell, just look at the difference between "poison" and "when i see him"!

transactional relationships is not the same as abuse

this whole situation seems like this to me

[oxfordsxbrogues]

“Wait no not like that.”

OR: Results? To MY own self-sabotage? More likely than you’d think!

OR: I don’t CARE that the prophecy was self-fulfilling, I’m still angry about it! 😤

OR: Blitzø sweetie pie please go to therapy I know this great lady with a hotel where you do trust falls and talk about your feelings she’s like a block away from your office just pop in for thirty seconds please I’m begging you 🥺

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Yep, It's Just Practically Official The Makers Just See Octavia As Manipulative Emotional Tool To Make Stolas Look Good And Disregard Her When She Gets In The Way Of Their Treasured Ship

This is supposed to be a joke, but in execution we all now Octavia at this point is just a tool to make Stolas look like a "good" dad when in practice he's putting Blitzo over her so much that it's not funny. Wasn't one of Octavia's fears is that her father will abandon her in order to pursue Blitzo.

With that comment that Brandon Rogers did it just confirms to me that at this point they are putting Stolitz so much over everything else that yes even Octavia is seen as an obstacle even though a parent's child should be more important than their booty call. And the fandom and the creators prioritize the other way around.

Seriously, in "Seeing Stars" we see him again neglect her when she wanted to keep his promise to see the stars. Also despite saying it's important to find her he slows down to watch his boy toy perform. In other words, he's all false words until next time when he breaks a promise or continues to be a lackluster dad. But we are supposed to give him slack because he's supposed to be trying hard or again invoking Stella in order to make him look good. Boy can barely do the bare minimum for his daughter without messing up and looking like a selfish pos.

And people want to point to this line as a sign of how much he loves Octavia, but again like everything else it's emotional manipulative bs when you realize in practice he has all of the power and could more easily break up. Sure, it would have be a shock to a young child but since Octavia is born he could have just packed up and kicked her ass rather than wallow in his self-pity while finally getting with his imp toy. Stella was made an obstacle from the start so that we would feel less sorry when he was cheating on her with Blitzo. However, it gets less sympathetic when we see how it affects Octavia and it makes him come across as a selfish asshole. At first the first season was condemning them, but nope season 2 basically makes him sad misunderstood woobie who can't do no wrong including ignore his daughter in favor of focusing on Blitzo.

It's funny that Loona isn't joked as an obstacle to Stolitz like Octavia is. It's probably because Octavia grew up with a married family and again doesn't like ramifications that come with the changes. One of them includes the fact that her father only pays attention to his crush while putting her on the backburner. And again despite the fandom saying Octavia and Blitzo would get along this joke panders to the idea that squashes it if Blitzo sees her as an obstacle to their relationship. And you know if it was the other way around Blitzo would be furious anyone would see Looney as an obstacle. And so would Stolas, but we know that in actual practice he would choose prioritizing Blitzo over his daughter and the narrative will say other wise.

[stupid-pig-came-home]

Sweet fuck dude. I gotta stay away from the freaky weirdos who want to kill a drawing for being written a certain way.

Stolas from Helluva Boss

[flower-boi16]

Is it weird if I think Blitz has better chemistry with Fizz over Stolas?

Not at all. If anything I think Fizz and Blitz have more grounds for a compelling relationship than Blitz and Stolas. Two childhood friends who made amends after a traumatic incident split them apart and fell in love.

Granted the execution of them making amends in canon was poor but I’d take that over Stolitz any day. I’d rather have Blitz with Fizz than have him anywhere NEAR Stolas.

[justanotherbuggysimp]

I saw someone mention how Blitz is a better dad than Stolas and now that I really think about it, holy fuck is it ever true.

When his underage daughter goes MISSING in the human world he willfully wastes HOURS fucking around in the human world, even going to some stupid show for fucksakes and giggling like the brain dead moron he is at his boyfriends antics rather than look for her. For HOURS.

Whereas Blitz panicked in the SECONDS he couldn't find an adult Loona when they were in the human world together at the beach, and when he sees she's just talking to a guy he immediately steps in protectively. And the other time when she texts him when he is already exhausted and he IMMEDIATELY stops his own (infrequent) pity party (something Stolas LOVES throwing for himself constantly like every episode) to show up for Loona and once again protect her. He loves his daughter, he's imperfect but he is a WONDERFUL caring father for his adopted daughter.

So yeah, Blitz is a much better dad than Stolas and we see that constantly.

[littledemon55]

Wow, they're doing "Anti Blitzø Parties" irl now... Why am I not surprised? Let me guess, they're all Swifties too? Always siding with the crazy bitch.

I never really liked Blitz, but now I do, just because he doesn't deserve the hate. Stolass does though.

Wanna have an Anti Stolass Party? 😁

[hellaversity]

I can't believe I actually used to be a Charlastor shipper. Like, I am truly ashamed of it because of how insane Charlastor shippers are, trying to make Viv's birthday all about their ship, being homophobic and hating Vaggie for being a lesbian, and are now bitching about Viv not making Charlastor canon despite the fact that Chaggie has always been canon since Hazbin Hotel's inception! Also, weird coincidence that Blitzker fans tried to make Brandon Rogers' birthday about THEIR ship a few years later after Charlastor shippers did the same thing. Huh.

I remember before (like 5 months ago and before that) seeing Radiobelle (Charlie x Alastor) shippers liking Stolitz and Helluva Boss antis not liking Radiobelle because it is “acephobic”. What is with HB antis acting like they’re big Radiobelle shippers all of a sudden?

I'm not all that versed on this subject in particular, but I've talked about it a little with @painfullyprickedandticked and did a little research into the matter, and the answer appears to be because the antis hate Vivzie.

Basically, the idea that Vivzie hates the ship appears to originate from the fact that she muted the phrase "Charlastor" and it's tag on twitter, because she was getting spammed with messages threatening her to make it canon. According to the reddit comment I'm looking at rn, people were insulting her over it, and there were also death threats according to the same reddit comment. Which explains why she muted the phrase and hashtag on Twitter.

The thing that makes this worse? It's that this happened on Hazbin's anniversary and Vivzie's birthday.

Vivzie herself doesn't hate the ship itself or it's shippers, but she won't be talking about the ship itself because of this.

Considering this, I imagine that similar reasoning can be applied to why the antis hate Stolitz, the antis see all of what I just mentioned, and decide to shit on Stolitz because she appears to like that ship.