#pro jacaerys velaryon

[lunasglow]

As a Targaryen, the easiest course of action you have when faced with a problem would be to simply get on your dragon and burn defenseless people.

Which is why Jace setting off and establishing diplomatic relationships with major houses will always be more impressive to me than the 19 y/o who burned a whole region in a pissy fit or his brother who took part in the bloodiest sack in Westerosi history.

Killing is easy when you’re on a beast high above the air facing people who can’t even outrun your flames, but convincing people to pledge their loyalty and men to your cause with words alone is hard.

[godofstory]

I would be a Jacaerys apologist,but he has done nothing wrong,ever in his life;that's the only consistent fact throughout F&B and HotD and I love him

[rhaenyraloversblog]

why it is a dumb argument by the greens to say the velaryan boys cannot inherit even in the time period

jace , luce , and joff were rumoured bastard they were not proclaimed as bastards or were first proclaimed illigitamate and later legitimized ,now lets take some historical example for example john of gaunt 1st duke of lancaster and his third wife Katherine swynford who was his mistress during his second marriage with Constance of castile , they had four children together who were proclaimed illigitamate since they were born before the couple was married when john married his third wife Katherine the Beaufords were legitamized by John of gaunt with the help of pope Boniface IX in september 1396 , who issued a bull recognizing and declaring them " wholly legitamate by doing this the Beaufords were allowed to have noble tittles and lands , but they were not allowed to have a claim to the English throne by their half brother king Henry iv of lancaster . By the above example the Beauford children were first recognised as illigitamate and later legitamized while jace , luce , and joff were never even proclaimed as bastard they were known as Leanor son , if we take bastard romours as an example king Edward iv of york was romoured to be a bastard and not the son of Richard of york which was spread by his brother George , duke of clarence who wanted to overthrow him and spread this roumour to weaken his claim to the throne , heck even queen Elizabeth i of England was also roumoured to be a bastard and not the daughter of king Henry viii which was also spread by Henry viii to furthur ruin Anne boleyn reputation , by the above these monarchs were also rumoured bastards but were not proven to be true it is the same case for the velaryon boys they were roumered bastards but their bastardry was not proven . and I with all my heart believe this were roumours spread were by green maesters to ruin Rhaenyra reputation , for example Lucrezia borgia who was the illigitamate daughter of pope Alexander vi and Vannozza dei cattanei and known to be the most beautiful woman of italy at that time who was a renaissance duchess , a patron of the arts , and a skilled administrater , to ruin her reputation the enemy of the pope started to spread vile roumers about her like her sharing a bed with her father and brother , her poisoning people and having a bastard before marriage just like Lucrezia, Rhaenyra's enemies the greens spread these roumours to attack her . so the argument that '' the velaryon boys cannot inherit '' by the greens is completely wrong

[the-witch-of-woods-beyond]

don’t know why so many team green stans are dying over the fact that rhaenyra’s sons are bastards 😱😱😱 when it wasn’t even confirmed in the books and when being a bastard in westeros is just a state of legality. if legitimised, they would have every right to their family’s titles - hence gendry and jon being legitimised and having claims to the throne and winterfell. legit every single person in that show has legitimised jace as rhaenyra’s heir and referred to him as such. their grandfather corlys, their father laenor, their other grandfather the literal KING accepted them and threatened death and dismemberment to anyone who didn’t do the same, their MOTHER rhaenyra. jace has every right to ascend the throne because his mother is the rightful queen and he is her rightful heir.

[lingulaca]

at this point, i'm just gonna have to start a tag about the driftmark incident because this actually pisses me off

"all of the kids were defending themselves, it was nobody's fault."

wrong. aemond started it by claiming vhagar and calling the velaryons bastards. he knew the weight of what he said when he said it. otherwise, he wouldn't have said it to offend them. actions have consequences guys😭 have y'all never heard the phrase 'talk shit, get hit'...?

"aemond didn't intentionally claim vhagar to provoke rhaena and baela."

yes, he did 🌚 aemond wasn't an ignorant toddler when he did that shit, he was like 12. his actions were calculated. it's literally shown that he very much already had a hatred towards rhaenyra's side of the family which was his motivation along with the want he already had for a dragon.

"but aemond didn't steal vhagar, you can't steal a dragon!"

no, of course not. he just snuck out in the dark alone to claim a dragon who was still mourning her owner at said owner's FUNERAL. 🙄🙄🙄

a period of mourning for a dragon is a very real and delicate thing. a dragon during this period is vulnerable. aemond takes advantage of this, therefore disrespecting his house as a whole as well as the velaryons.

at the end of the day what aemond did was shady asf and plain cruel. he, along with the adults who weren't watching the children, is to blame.

[brynnsasha191]

''Jacaerys and Lucerys are boring''

Yeah because the show took all of the interesting qualities that made them good people and gave them to yucky Aemond. Book!Jace won over so many of Rhaenyra's allies, was her right hand, and gave his life for his younger brothers at 15. And book!Luke was very skilled in arms and was very advanced in high Valerian.

[bunnyshideawayy]

watching people “defend” Alicent by saying the fandom hates feminine women when Rhaenyra actively gets all her feminine attributes stripped from her character in both canons and by the fandom itself, literally putting her on the same level as Maegor, will never not make me laugh.

[reignof-fyre]

I'm gonna say it: it's aemond's own fault he lost his eye in both the show and the book. Both times, he snuck out to claim vhagar. In the show, he wasn't stopped. In the book, three year old Joffrey Velaryon was with his dragon because he was an early riser and told Aemond to stay away from Vhagar, so Aemond - who was much older - pushed little three year old Joffrey over and, in his fear of being caught because he knew he was doing something his parents would like, claimed Vhagar and flew her for the first time.

Baby Joffrey, all of three years old, then of course runs to get his big brothers, likely crying and terrified. Because he's, y'know, A BABY.

In the show, Aemond claims Vhagar and with arrogance and smugness returns to the castle, high on the fact that he'd just claimed Vhagar, uncaring of how rude/insulting it may have been to claim Vhagar on the night of her previous riders funeral, like A NORMAL PERSON.

When, in the show, Rhaena and Baela confront Aemond with Luke and Jace, they're clearly upset. Their mother has just died, its her funeral, and their last tether to her - Vhagar - has been claimed by Aemond. They say he stole her, and while dragons can't be stolen, he did use underhanded tactics to obtain her and bond with her. And his haughtiness afterwards, towards the daughters of the woman whose dragon he just claimed, is what makes the altercation his fault.

Baela, upset: Vhagar is my mother's dragon!

Aemond, uncaring: Your mother is dead, and Vhagar has a new rider now.

Rhaena: she was mine to claim!

Aemond: then you should have claimed her. Maybe your cousins can find you a pig to ride. It would suit you.

Rhaena then hits Aemond, provoked into this by his cruel words and actions. Was it right? No. But it's literally the night of her mums funeral, Vhagar has been claimed by someone who clearly doesn't care about her mother, and he just insulted her. Aemond pushes Rhaena to the ground, so Baela slaps him in defense of her sister, and he punches her in the face.

Aemond: come at me again and I'll feed you to my dragon!

Now aemond is threatening to murder his cousins, which is par for the course for hid character. He always had kinslaying in him.

The fight devolves even more, and Jace and Luke get involved, defending their cousins. Luke, a little kid, is whacked and shoved to the ground, so Jace jumps in. Then Baela decides to help, and she and Luke - both of them younger and smaller - start wailing on Aemond (u go kids).

Aemond kicks Luke off of him, throws Baela off, and stands only to grab Luke - only five - by the throat and hold a rock over his head and threaten him.

Aemond: you will die screaming in flames just as your father did, bastard.

Luke, terrified and upset: my father is still alive!

Aemond, amused: he doesn't know, does he? Lord Strong.

This is when Jace pulls his knife, literally the size of my thumb, and attacks. Jace us quickly unarmed by Aemond, who is still holding the rock, and Luke sees the blade. Aemond holds the rock over them, smirks at Rhaena and Baela, then gets sand thrown in his face and Luke slashes at him wildly, not even aiming for his eye, just aiming to stop Aemond from hurting Jace and himself and his cousins, because at this point Luke has heard death threats, and seen Aemond take on him and the other three easily and win, so of bloody course this terrified little boy used a weapon to defend himself when it became necessary.

After, Alicent makes the situation about her because she's a poor uwu baby (gag me with a chainsaw, I loathe her) and attacks Rhaenyra as though Rhaenyra and her kids were in the wrong? Gurl.

Aemond will then go on to use him losing his eye as an excuse to use his war dragon to chase fourteen year old Luke on tiny baby Arrax and have the FUCKING AUDACITY to look shocked when it went wrong? Aemond is still at fault for Luke's death even if "he didn't mean it" or "he lost control" (he's not a true dragon lmfao)

In the book, Joffrey - who is three - returns with Jace and Luke, who grabbed wooden swords - they won't help against Vhagar bbys - in defense of their brother.

Despite it being three on one, Aemond was winning the fight until Luke slashed him, and good thing he did otherwise Aemond wouldn't have stopped in my opinion. He'd have kept going, beating the boys to bloody pulps. It was stable-boys who had to end the fight, where were the guards? Cole was probably simping over alicunt tbh.

Also, Alicent was the first to demand Luke's eye in recompense for Aemond losing his soz not soz ya uwu Queen is a cunt heh

Aemond will then, years later, attack Luke because of this and kill him and start the Dance of Dragons in full because not only did he cause the events that took his eye, but also the worst war in history, all because he's a little bitch baby sociopath with genocidal tendencies lmfao

Also, Aemond got off lightly, merely losing his eye - do u know what the punishment is for people who attack a princes' daughters and the heir to the throne sons? Calling them bastards, which is treason!!!! Death. Bitch shit should be exuberant that he merely lost an eye. Unfortunately viserys is a bitch and didn't send Aemond to the Wall like Jaehaerys would have for fucking real lol

[raidark]

Being a Jace fan is suffering. Like striping Jace of all the things he does in the book and reducing him to just bastardy issues wasn't enough...

Let's not forget that to this day Vermax is still one of the only dragons we haven't fully seen in the show, for reasons

We only get to briefly see him in season 1 episode 10 for seconds (and it was just an upscaled version of his younger model) and again we only see his head for seconds in this season.

The only thing we have are these beautiful official concept arts of Vermax by Constantine Sekeris, and it seems like they decided not to use them in the show anyway lol

[aurabora]

if season three of house of hot garbage writing doesn’t start with condom changing canon AGAIN so that the opening scene is a) a jacela marriage or b) baela with a daenaera shaped belly…i WILL be scaling HBO HQ’s walls and hypnotizing condom and mess into doing reshoots and pushing back the two year release date so that this is canon

[kataraavatara]

Cole's fans forget that he is a grown man Bullying children aged 6 to 8 who arrive to be ironic because they are the same people complaining about the bully that Aemond is like saying only the green ones can suffer at the hands of the evil black people

finally getting through my asks! sorry this took so long!

but yeah, it’s hilarious how there will be thousands of words of meta of how traumatized aemond is because he was “bullied” by Luke & Jace, but evidently Luke & Jace themselves were never affected by their bullying at the hands of a grown adult. (And I’ve already written about the misdirected anger over Aemond’s bullying here)

Not just a grown adult, but their teacher. A Kingsguard, men who are supposed to honorable knights who are looked up to as examples of chivalry and honor throughout the realm. How confusing it must have been for two little boys to have been maligned by someone they probably looked up to, someone they wanted approval from. There was not just the psychological aspect of the favoritism that hurt them, but a physical one, where Cole sics Aegon, an older, bigger, and stronger teen against Jace, a child who is barely able to defend himself.

And why is the bullying of Luke and Jace never brought up? Well, because they are well adjusted when they grow up, because Rhaenyra was a great mother, one who allowed them to grow up emotionally mature. They never bring up their mistreatment at Cole’s hands, because they have moved on. In fact, Jace is able to tactfully bring it up during his toast without having a meltdown, saying he has “fond memories of their childhood.” He’s trying to be diplomatic (as befits an heir to the Iron Throne). Meanwhile Aemond loses it at Luke merely smiling at a roast pig because he hasn’t had a healthy family unit around him to help him process his childhood feelings. He then attacks their legitimacy, something that unlike the pig, actually threatens their life.

Aemond flips out at a mere reminder of the pig but Jace and Luke don’t freak out at the mention of Cole. This gives the fandom some kind of odd confirmation bias, where they come to the conclusion that Aemond’s treatment was worse because his reaction was worse; really, Luke and Jace had it much worse because they were mistreated by an authority figure and not peers, but their trauma is minimized because they were able to actually cope with it.

[bee-unknown]

I have the theory that TG doesn't know basic biology, because they bitch and moan about Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey being bastards

Yes, there is a possibility that they might be bastards, but it has always been a 50/50 thing you know why? Because Aemma is an Arryn, and with a quick internet search you can see that Aemma's father had dark hair and if you know how genetics works it mean that there is a possibility that Laenor's sons are his

[godofstory]

we live in a society where Aemond and Daemon have the biggest fanbase in hotd but Jacaerys is being hated and called annoying because "he talked back to his mother"💀

yall really couldn't find one thing that boy has done wrong in his life so you're gonna hate him for spitting facts ,huh?

[rhaenyraloversblog]

Alicent hightower a firm believer of seven by her religion a man and woman cannot lay together if they are not married but even if they sleep together it has to be for providing heirs and alicent a widow in her mourning period has sex with criston cole her sworn shield so she does not even follow her own religions principles , who shames rhaenyra for having consensual sex with a man she trusts because her husband is attracted to man so he could not provide her an heir and she lives in a patriarchal society so if she doesn't get pregnant the society will blame her undermine her claim by saying how she could be the future queen if she could not even properly do a woman's duty which is to provide heirs and even if the boys were not laenors he accepted them but only alicent and cole have a problem .

crispin cole a knight who has soiled his own cloak by his own decision does not think of the consequences when he asks the crown princess to run away with him , but if we look at it the other way the crown princess is missing with her dornish knight on her wedding tour and if viserys found out he would have a scearch party for her and either way she would have been married off and criston will be beheaded for treason of kidnapping the crown princess cause who would believe a princess would run away with a simple knight with no land and titles .

and people who ship young alicent and cole but hate daemon x rhaenyra you do realise cole is the same age as daemon but you forget it beacuse he is dornish so you hate daemon but love cole who has been around the girls when they are 14 but accuse daemon who is always aways from kingslanding is groming rhaenyra

( p.s might edit later)

[unremarkable-gods]

king by the amazing devil is such a jace and baela coded song

"the madness that lingers / rips into the bark of our bones" and "i’ll let the sea birds cry" and "i’ll keep him safe from the dark things that wait / in that house at the top of the rock" and "but our voices collide with each howl of the tide / singing all hell and its fire waits for us" and "The sea and its waters, every unwanted daughter" and "Every moon in the sky, every promise and lie" and "I’ll keep the king"

[lingulaca]

What are your thoughts on jacaerys being done dirty in the show? like them cutting his bond with cregan, removing his political moments (like arranging joffrey's betrothal, the vale of arryn, sending aegon/viserys to pentos), and most of his traits being given to aemond?

i'm absolutely livid abt it tbh

team green talks so much shit about jace based on the show, but they're never willing to admit he's robbed of so many critical moments that show how good of a leader he was growing up to be. the show erases the tragedy of his death, same as they're doing to rhaenyra, by robbing them both of their accomplishments and experiences.

but the thing with cregan pisses me off even more. we barely got any scenes with just jace and luke together, getting to talk to each other so we could see how close they were. of course, luke dying was still sad, but when it happened i was just like, that's it? like, jace and luke are never going to see each other again till jace dies and that's all we get? with cregan, i'm just really confused on why they chose to go that direction. the way i understand the book is that cregan and jace are the closest jace has ever been with someone who isn't family to the point that jacegan was a thing pre-hotd/pre-show!cregan, then in the show him and cregan just have a little 30 second or so conversation and we likely won't see them talk to each other again either. crumbs dude, they're giving jace crumbs.

and then with his traits being given to aemond, it's like c'mon yk. the audacity for ppl to claim hotd is run by team black writers 😭 well if it was i feel like the writing would be better, for one, but also no team black f&b fan would portray aemond as anything except the irrational loose cannon he is !! team green sees their favs do things they don't like in the show and are like "oh this MUST be the work of team black", completely ignoring the storylines on this side that have been cast aside in favor of just one more alicent sex scene.

jace's betrothal to baela is another one that makes me mad. i just feel like we should have more gifs available of them bonding. and this is a canon ship, it's not like i'm asking for on-screen jaceluke bait or anything, jace and baela are literally in line to be the next king and queen. are we mormon or something? why do they just hold hands and look at each other? this is already a rated r show, they can give us more than that🙄. and i don't wanna hear " harry is young, they won't have a sex scene!" i'm not asking for them to literally fuck, i'm not insane. just maybe something more intimate. is that so much to ask of two characters who are meant to be betrothed? also, that's bullshit because iirc emily carey was exactly 18 in s1 ep4 when they had that creepy sex scene with viserys. but i digress