#pro choicer cope

[marzipancloud]

Saw two strongly pro-choice blogs lamenting a case of infanticide from history because the baby was born irregular.

"so sad"

I don't get it. If the mom had had access to abortion, she'd have gotten one. The culture was Like That. How is infanticide of a presumably -disabled child sad when the abortion of disabled children isn't?

[papirouge]

as someone who almost died as a minor giving birth after being raped I think u should care about the lives already here and not a clump of cells. most children conceived thru rape are abandoned or killed later on anyhow

Why are you guys acting like we had to pick a sidd between saving the life of women OR the baby?? What some sort of twisted oppression Olympics is that?? Why couldn't we fight for BOTH? This is precisely what prolifers are for.

First of all, we do care about saving pregnant women's life considering the fact that death in childbirth is ≤0.05% in developed countries.... It shows that a decent healthcare system is KEY in saving women's life during delivery - and that abortion isn't needed. COPE.

The fearmongering around pregnancy kills is inversely proportionate to how it actually does IRL.

Unlike what pro abortionist liars say, no prolifer advocate for less medical help for women. And no, we aren't all Conservatives (I'm personally not) religious (secular/LGTB+ prolife organization are a thing) or males (most prolifers are female) so enough with the tHey hAte wOmeN shtick. We don't revel in women dying in childbirth struggling to get access to pregnancy care. Many of us are mom/have family and know how hard pregnancy & educating children is. You need to stop acting like only pro choicers knew what is was like to carry a baby and deliver it. That's precisely bc we know how hard pregnancy is that we consider women deserve better than a bandaid called abortion.

Abortion is the reason why pregnancy care is sooo behind in extra liberal spaces. By shoving abortion as the only solution for women hEaLthCaRe (because it's cheaper than an actual maternity leave + welfare) they never really bothered creating a decent alternative to help women who'd decide to keep their baby. How can abortion be a ✨choice✨ when the only alternative is sinking into helplessness & poverty? Damn, you guys totally understand it when it comes to prostitution but NEVER have the intellectual honesty to ponder that question when it comes to abortion 🤔

It baffles my mind how pro abortion applauded companies offering abortions instead of a decent maternity leave. You guys are the biggest useful idiots of capitalism while thinking you are soooo subversive 🙄 That's why you are making up false opposition in the form of the big bad traditional backwardish boogeyman to make you sound braver than you are lol There's no traditionalist conspiracy... Most of the planet never stopped valuing family over career or iNdepeNdencE (although there's a definite push for cultural liberalism - of which abortion culture is totally part of) It's just the pendulum naturally coming back after a decade of libfem koolaid.

You're doing exactly what the system wants from you. You're the equivalent of 'eyeliner so sharp it would slays patriarchy' kinda shit. Especially radfem who will scream that women aren't body part (and they're right) yet advocate for the very act of treating our body like such (against our biology most basic function such as fertility/procreation) - if not straight up vilifying its work ("a baby is a parasite"). Would it even occur to you that fetus aren't "body parts" to be disposed of?? You uterus is a "clump of cells" too, you might as well throw it to the trash 🤪

Oh and many of these "poor pregnant woman got arrested for abortion" have been debunked. You guys really need to get over these misleading sensational headlines seeking to demonize pro lifers (weird, I thought there was a back to traditionalism conspiracy 🤔 shouldn't mainstream media be on our side? 🤔). Those poor women either took drugs to kill their fetus or even killed them AFTER their birth (I'm sure there's a masterpost floating around debunking these stories).

Abortion doesn't even stop rape. If anything, if facilitates its erasure (planned Parenthood allying with pimps to perform underage abortion under the radar) You guys are just moving the goal to appeal to emotionalism. Even if rape disappeared overnight you'd stil advocate for abortion so please, shut up about it. You are exhausting.

[theconstitutionisgayculture]

"I wonder what it’s like being the child of a pro-abort?"

It's absolutely amazing because we know based on our mere existence that we were wanted no matter what. If we were unwanted, we would have been aborted. We were born because we were wanted. That can't be said for the children of forced birthers. You may (or may not) have been an unwanted mistake.

"Must be awful."

You have it backwards. It's awful for you that you were born to forced birthers. For all you know your parents secretly hate you because you were unwanted and ruined their lives, but they'll never say that to your face. Meanwhile children born to pro choicers know inately that we are wanted and loved, because if we weren't we wouldn't be here.

Do you understand what I'm telling you here?

I see a whole bunch of delusional coping from someone who knows their parents didn't consider them a real person until after they were born.

[spiltcandycoatedpunkblood]

Hey!!! I'm Evan, a 29 year old white ND chronically ill queer trans Australian-born emo-punk who (unfortunately) lives in the UK.

I'm a queer greysexual gay aromantic polyamorous genderqueer unaligned trans man. I also use aroace mainly for trauma reasons.

I also use helian, novarian, stellarian and singularian under the galactian alignment system, and my gender is made up of my neurotypes, my attraction to men, favourite media and interests, and whatever I feel like at any given time.

My pronouns are:

he/him/his/himself

xe/xem/xyr/xemself (pronounced zee/zem/zir/zemself)

ae/aev/aev/aevself (pronounced e/eve/eve/eveself)

Please mix and match them, thanks.

I am an ND and chronically ill multiple trauma survivor; I have AuADHD, OCD, anxiety, addiction, agoraphobia, trust issues, abandonment issues, CPTSD & coeliac disease. I heavily use music to cope with my multiple disorders and regard my headphones and Spotify as disability aids.

This is what I look like.

Special interests: The Adventures of Tintin, Doctor Who, Sanders Sides (Thomas Sanders), DanAndPhilGAMES, Jeff Wayne's Musical Version of the War of the Worlds & guinea pigs.

Favourite musicians: Avril Lavigne, The Birthday Massacre, The Pretty Reckless, Motion City Soundtrack, Ice Nine Kills, Delain, Within Temptation, Breaking Benjamin, RedHook, Against The Current, Green Day, Jonathan Young, Caleb Hyles, ABBA, Paramore, Carpenters, Nickelback, Queen, Honey Revenge, Ashbury Heights, Stand Atlantic, Asking Alexandria, DanAndPhilBEATS, Lø Spirit, Senses, LØLØ, Halflives, Amaranthe & Icon For Hire.

I post about stuff like:

queer issues

social issues in general

selfies, vents and general life updates

a lot about the adventures of tintin (mainly the 2011 film)

memes

neurodivergent issues

occasionally cute animals with absolute favourites of mine like cats and guinea pigs (and small mammals in general, but mainly guinea pigs)

my fanfiction from ao3 under kivancalcite

my favourite music (feel free to talk about music with me)

my fictional male crushes, usually villains

occasional media and film analysis that may devolve into passionate rants

What I don't tolerate whatsoever and will block you on sight as a result:

the basic dni criteria (racist, misogynistic, antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, classist, xenophobic, fatphobic attitudes)

claiming that 'narcissistic abuse' is a real thing and believing that having a personality disorder inherently makes you a terrible person

abuse apologism and victim blaming

defending people like d*pp and spacey and other abusers/paedophiles/rapists

defending the british monarchy

being a fucking tory and/or brexiteer (let's be honest, you're usually both)

defending justice system institutions such as the police force (acab)

defending the military, its propaganda, and insidious recruitment techniques

being a paedophile/map/pear, whatever the fuck you like to call yourselves

being a terf/radfem/gender critical/transmedicalist

for that matter, also harry potter and jkr fans, please fuck off

being a nazi/neo-nazi/white supremacist/proud boy/anything to fucking do with fascist ideologies

supporting putin's attack on the ukraine and the idea that we should stop supporting and funding ukraine

supporting israel over palestine and ignoring the media silence and suppression of the atrocities against the latter

supporting ukraine's efforts but not palestine's

defending the capitalist system

in turn, also defending communist regimes and shouting down survivors of them and their atrocities

being a genocide denier

being a pro-life/anti-choicer (from a pro-choice and pro-abortion person)

being a proshipper and trying to justify paedophilic, racist and incestuous ships

being into true crime that romanticises and sexualises actual murderers and serial killers and dismisses the actual victims and their families

being someone who actively profits off of others' trauma and abuse for entertainment

I also have my trauma/mental illness/abuse blog that is more specifically about those things I have experienced and continue to experience, which is @traumacodedtransbitch, which can be far more triggering and violent just so you know.

[pro-birth]

“Women are just gonna kill themselves with unsafe abortions!!!” You mean the ones pro-choicers provide? ❤️

“They’ll die from pregnancy complications!!!” You mean the same complications that have obstetric procedures that don’t involve killing a wanted child? 😍

“We’re gonna be held back in the workplace/academia!!!” You mean abortion was used as a coerced option to normalize the systemic issue of pregnancy discrimination? 🥰

“Overturning Roe won’t stop pro-abortion states from providing safe abortions!” You mean the political bodies YOU voted for support bad maternal medicine and pregnancy discrimination, as aforementioned? 😘

“WOMEN WILL DIE!!” You mean women don’t already die from legal abortion due to underreported and miscoded abortion complications, both physical and mental, which your precious abortion organizations continually gaslight and lie about? ❤️🥰😍😘

Seethe. Stay mad. Cope. One day your grandchildren (if their parents aren’t aborted first) will be embarrassed that they are related to a pro-child-killing fanatic. Change now and be an actual help for women and children, or get bowled over with the changing tides. Either way, we’ll keep helping women and their children LIVE.

Y’all know my tags if you want to educate yourself.

[irradiate-space]

Hard disagree on your "no remotely plausible secular justifications to ban early-term abortions" point, but I'm actually glad to see you make it, both because I've wanted to argue against/vent about this point for some time, and because you seem generally cool, so this feels like I'm sending you Anon Arguments and not Anon Hate.

Basically, this seems like one of the weirdest points in the already-very-weird abortion discourse, and IMO it's tragic that the pro-life movement can't argue against it effectively. The secular argument against abortion is actually much stronger than any religious argument against abortion, and I think the public failure to recognize this comes down to several factors: The pro-life movement is so heavily devoutly religious that they are not at all comfortable acknowledging any distinction between their religion and their morality. The pro-choice movement finds it convenient to use the pro-life movement's religiosity against them, to paint them as theocrats (who we would also expect to be traditionalist and patriarchal). The exact nature and boundaries of personhood are one of life's deepest questions, so it intuitively makes sense to people that it would be a matter traditionally answered by religion. The population as a whole, both religious and irreligious, is remarkably religiously illiterate, and does not know much of the actual contents of their own or anyone else's faith.

There are Bible verses you could find and use to support an anti-abortion position; however, there are other much clearer Bible verses you could find and use to support a pro-abortion position. I have seen pro-choicers attempt to use this as a gotcha, but I think that they're missing the point that this undermines their own position, by demonstrating that the actual motive of pro-lifers is not religion at all (the actual motives and morality of the religious are rarely rooted purely in religion), but modern secular humanism, Whig history, the expansion of basic rights and protections to more and more people. Pro-lifers do not see themselves as a continuation of the Puritans shunning outsiders and enforcing endless arbitrary rules on divine authority; they see themselves as a continuation the Abolitionist movement, fighting against a grave and massive moral evil, obviously offensive on its face to any honest person, that their society was complicit in. The slavery issue had religious arguments and people on both sides, as the modern abortion issue does, but contrary to modern left/right stereotypes, the Abolitionist side was at the time the one seen as more religious, more moralist, more theocratic, and more obsessed with enforcing their own idiosyncratic views on others.

Honestly, I'm inclined to say that the connection between pro-life politics and religion goes the other way: people who believe that their country is endorsing infanticide on such a scale are likely to go a little crazy about it, and turn to religion to cope. In any case, while I have found myself drifting leftwards and away from religion over the course of my life, I've got to say that pro-choice rhetoric is some of the worst I have seen anywhere in politics, and comes across as a desperate attempt to miss the point, representing the other possible reaction to such moral horror, which is an attempt to run some DARVO.

The "no remotely plausible secular justifications to ban early-term abortions" point was made by @ghostpalmtechnique, but I do kind of agree with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the secular argument against abortion that you propose can be summarized thus: Banning abortion protects the rights of the fertilized egg as a not-yet-born human, and extends the rights of personhood to more people.

It's a neat argument. I've seen some modern anti-abortion people make that argument, but these people are not at all common.

Consider the statistic that 10-15% of known pregnancies end in a miscarriage, and 80% of those miscarriages happen in the first trimester. Consider also that, with how modern abortifacients and morning-after pills use the same biochemical pathways as natural miscarriages, it's really fucking hard to tell the difference between a natural miscarriage and an induced one. To enforce a ban on abortions even in the first trimester means that every miscarriage - 8% to 12% of all pregnancies - must be criminally investigated. And because many of these miscarriages occur in the privacy of the home, without medical treatment, enforcing the law will require surveilling women* to determine if they are pregnant and if they have miscarried. Enforcing the law will require a massive police state which, to justify its own existence, will seek a high rate of convictions, even though it has no way of knowing whether the abortions were induced. So if we believe that a smaller state is a better state, that less government intrusion in our lives is good, that the Fourth Amendment's ban on unreasonable searches requires warrants which require proof before allowing intrusion, then we must reject both the pregnancy police state and the abortion criminalization that it enforces.

But that's not really the essay that I came here to write, or that you came here to read. It's founded in American Constitutional law, not in grander concepts. So let's address the grander concepts behind a ban on early-term abortions.

Consider the possibility-space of a woman's ability to bear offspring: when she⁑ becomes pregnant, how that affects her** employment prospects and earning ability and health, how it affects whether and when she chooses to bear other children, and so on. Different timelines with different histories of her life, where certain timelines have fewer children because of her economic position or her choice or her reduced health or her death or her running off to join a lesbian commune where pregnancy is impossible. Consider also the quality of life of her children in each of these myriad scenarios: how their lives are affected by her health, her ability to support her children, her love or lack of love for the children, her support network, and so on. When a woman becomes pregnant, and how she becomes pregnant, and how that pregnancy progresses, affect all these things. Unwanted pregnancies are particularly likely to negatively impact the quality of life of the woman and her children. Forcing her to bear children reduces the potential for good outcomes

A movement grounded in secular humanist values, especially with regards to expanding basic rights, would recognize the negative effects of unwanted pregnancies, and would seek to prevent unwanted pregnancies through any means possible: birth control, reversible sterilizations, Plan B, building a system so that an unexpected pregnancy isn't a life-ruining fiscal and health emergency. When faced with a young mother⁂ who has suffered rape or incest or accident or ectopic pregnancy, a secular pro-life movement might say, "She should have been on birth control, the sire should have used a condom, and they should both have practiced safe sex. Here's how we will rearrange society to prevent an unwanted pregnancy from occurring in this scenario ever again."

A movement grounded in secular humanist values would, I hope, be anti-abortion in a way that seeks to reduce all-cause abortions while improving health outcomes in wanted pregnancies.

That's not what the current anti-abortion movement are doing.

When faced with rape or incest or accidents or ectopic pregnancies, they say, "she shouldn't've had sex" or "she deserves the baby as punishment for her harlotry," and quite often "let this be a lesson to the lot of you: don't have sex," even when abstinence-only sex ed results in more unwanted pregnancies. The modern anti-abortion movement lobbies to ban training in safe sex, ban prophylactics, ban emergency contraception, restrict prenatal healthcare, restrict welfare programs that support mothers and infants, and in general remove agency from mothers. They also restrict the agency of those who sire pregnancies, by restricting access to condoms and vasectomies and similar sperm-side prophylactics. And once a woman is pregnant, well, that's her responsibility, not anyone else's. If she miscarries or dies from pregnancy, the anti-abortion view is that she was a bad mother, not that the healthcare system and society failed her. The modern anti-abortion movement are not interested in reducing unwanted pregnancies or reducing the things that contribute to pregnancies going wrong.

The modern anti-abortion movement is anti-abortion in a way that requires sex to result in pregnancy, and condemns the mother if the pregnancy is nonviable. I don't think they value the mother for her ability to contribute to her already-born offspring's lives, or to her future offspring's lives, or her ability to give birth to children; I think they value the mother for her ability to be pregnant. If she dies in childbirth or from pregnancy, so be it: she fulfilling her purpose. If the modern anti-abortion movement valued mothers, or valued a woman's mothering of her children, or valued her ability to give birth, we wouldn't see the sort of forced-pregnancy bills that are being passed by anti-abortion legislatures this year.

I don't think the modern anti-abortion movement is founded in secular humanism.

With that said:

As you point out, the modern anti-abortion movement is unable to respond to religiosity-based critiques of their movement. I propose that this is because the current "pro-life" movement is more anti-abortion than pro-life. Using secular justifications for abortion bans would further justify policy positions opposed by the conservative Christian factions who make the majority of the modern anti-abortion movement: secular arguments would favor widened access to contraceptives, family planning tools, and socialized healthcare. That doesn't sit well with the Republican Party or its Christian base, because contraceptives, abortions, and socialized healthcare go against their doctrine.

So: yeah, maybe there could be secular justification for banning abortion, but if it exists, it's less mainstream in the USA political discourse than the Green Party.

*women, ⁂mother, **her, ⁑she: person capable of pregnancy, pregnant person, third-person possessive pronoun, third-person singular pronoun. Language simplified for argument's sake, because this isn't a discussion of whether pregnancy is available to people who don't use the traditional English feminine pronouns.

[nerdycatholic]

I’ve got a lot going on in my life right now and I’m coping by fighting the pro choicers on tumblr.

So if you all could say a prayer for me, I definitely think I need it! 😅

[malware-kin]

cringe kin sideblog. blanket warning for creepy content, unreality, and eyestrain.

hi, I'm six (or mal). they/them or xe/xer

multiply disabled nonbinary dyke

(autistic, chronic pain+physically disabled, bpd/psychosis)

dni below the cut, pls read b4 following

don't call me q*eer or an enby

kintypes:

-robot

-ai/virus/glitch

-zombie/undead

-ghost

-void/space

-circus of the other (tma)

-ghoul (fallout)

BYF/DNI:

-no minors

-no proshippers/anti-antis/pedo or incest fetishists. cannot believe I still have to say this

-no MAPs/PEARS/propara/whatever the fuck you creeps are calling urselves now

-no terfs/radfems/gender critical/whatever. this is a trans positive space and ESPECIALLY a transfem positive space

-no transmeds/anti neopronouns/anti he him lesbians. pronouns =\= gender

-no hardcore inclusionists; I don't engage in acecourse but I am a cishet exclusionist so don't follow if you have a problem w that

-no "mogai" or split attraction ppl. I'm good w xenogenders and stuff like that, but mogai as a term has problematic origins and the split attraction model sux for non aspec ppl

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-no conservatives, centrists, anti-choicers, pro-cop or military ppl, anti-leftists, etc.

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-pls don't follow if u have the q slur or h word in ur url, they're triggers for me and I don't wanna see them in my notifs

this is mostly just to let followers know my stance on shit, anyone who makes me uncomfortable or violates my byf will be blocked.

[genericficerblog]

My thoughts.

I'm not pro-murdering babies.

I'm pro-Becky who found out at her 20 week anatomy scan that the infant she had been so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs.

I'm pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later.

I'm pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to have to make the impossible decision on whether to save her or her unborn child.

I'm pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should have been able to trust and her 11 year old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequence of that betrayal.

I'm pro-Melissa who's working two jobs just to make ends meet and has to choose between bringing another child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her.

I'm pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally, or physically able to raise a child.

I'm pro-Emily who went through IVF, ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction in order to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE amount of fetuses.

I’m pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouse only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child.

I'm pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat.

I'm pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager.

I'm pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of her fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding.

I’m pro-Jaime who is non-binary or AFAB and will be at significantly higher risk of suicide going through the body dysphoria of a pregnancy, on top of gender dysphoria.

You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is:

I'm pro-life.

Their lives.

Women's lives.

You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted.

It's not about which stories you don't agree with. It's about fighting for the women in the stories that you do agree with and the CHOICE that was made.

Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation!

#roevwade#prochoice#abortion#women#womensrights

COPIED & PASTED

(Just to add on to this, hey Pro-Lifers, us Pro-Choicers (The real Pro-Lifers) can do all the manipulations that you guys do when describing the development of an embryo/fetus. (BTW my abortion limit, at least for not Rape, Incest, Fatal Defect in Fetus, Life of the Mother or Mother won't cope) is viability, which is usually about 23-24 weeks. After that, sure, you can put certain limits on it.

[johanocerous]

I’ve been seeing more and more baby killers i mean “pro choicers” on the cope machine lately. No doubt their movement is dying.

[marzipancloud]

In regards to the list going around about having pro-choice vs pro-life parents,

I think it's a cope for pro-choice people to say they know they're wanted.

A child of pro-lifers knows they're wanted unconditionally. A child of pro-choicers knows their existence is/was conditional.

My parents wanted me regardless of:

Cost

My ability or lack thereof

My health or risks to it

My sex

My birth's impact on their jobs, lives, whatever

This fills me with confidence that my parents will choose me no matter what happens in my life. They won't decide I'm too costly or interfering with their careers or too disabled.

Can you imagine being the younger sibling of someone your mom aborted for being disabled and then becoming disabled yourself? Your mom aborted because she didn't have money back then and then goes through an economic crisis when you're young? She aborted to keep the bio-dad happy and now she has a new bf who doesn't like you? So on.

And yeah, your mom would say "it's different. I chose you", but we also know it's not "you" she chose, it was the favorable circumstances you happened to be conceived in 🤷‍♀️

[papirouge]

I cannot take abortion supporters seriously on this website... save for a few pro-choicers who are intellectually honest it seems like the vast majority of people who want abortion legal, especially Americans, are conspiracy theorists who believe every pro-lifer is a man, or that every pro-lifer is conservative, or that every pro-lifer wants women to die during botched abortions. really just don't understand this mindset lol. they know nothing about their ideological opponents, sad!

What is about to say might come off shocking, but the only morally consistent pro choicers are those advocating for abortion until birtn. Everyone else bending backwards to argue about MuH nOt vIabLe outsIde of tHe wOmB uwu" are just coping bc premies survival rates are quite variable. Thankfully, science is pushing forward to improve healthier early delivery of babies - youngest one was as young as 21 weeks

But yeah, it's pretty annoying to see pro choicers paint every pro lifers as a White Conservative man who's only reason to be against abortion is bc they hate women. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying we're not just that. It's funny how these Western pro choicers consistently forget the rest of the world is mostly pro life.

That's something radfem especially seem pretty uncomfortable with since they always brag about how much of better allies they are to women oversea and embody true feminism™, when their brand of pro abortion feminism actually goes against the mindset of women anywhere else in the world... Linking abortion access to freedom and trying to shove it to every other women oversea is peak white savior complex. Those women's children isn't the reason their life condition are so bad : men are. Children are actually a formidable support system for women in many places where social insurance or healthcare aren't a thing. I am 100% confident my grandma wouldn't live that long is she didn't keep living with my uncles and grandchildren, playing with them and being so happy and spoiled by my whole family lol The "happy single old lady" model pulled out by radfem isn't the only one through what old women can thrive. Happy old woman surrounded by her grandchildren who will love her until she dies can also be a thing.

[alipeeps]

Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion. It is pro-CHOICE. Pro each woman being able to choose for herself if having a child is what she wants and/or something that don't negatively impact her life.

Pro-choicers aren't out here telling all pregnant women that having a baby will ruin their life.. but we ARE here supporting women who have decided for themselves that they don't want/can't cope with having a baby right now, and supporting their right to make that CHOICE.

Pro-lifers and terfs aren’t feminists pass it on

[papirouge]

Goddam you sure are simping for scrotes today. "Buh but this scorte whose contribution was ejaculating should get equal say in pregnancy" to a woman who is literally gonna carry it around for 9 months and push it out her vagina.

lmao Cope harder

No one simping for scrotes harder than:

- the women who let them ejaculating inside of them

- the pro choicer useful idiots fighting to give men even less accountability in their sexual behavior

Get over yourselves. Advocating for babies right to live regardless of any of their parent entitlement to kill them isn't simping. It's having basic life ethics.

For people who looooove screaming day and night how much pregnancy is dangerous and hard on the body, you for sure love engaging in the very same activity making you vulnerable to such risk. Mentally ill behavior.

[papirouge]

Ah, I see. As long as no organs are taken it’s fine! People can pseudo parasitically live off of another without consent as long as no organs are taken. Pro life isn’t about ‘prezcus baybees’, it’s about control. You and any daughters you have won’t be spared the beatings for being one of the good women.

Yea bestie, if something doesn't pose any threat to your physical integrity there's no point to try to harm or kill. Crazy how that mindset work in every aspect of our civil life but when it comes to abortion yall suddenly act shook over it.

And technically, a fetuse is NOT a "parasite" (a paraside can't be of the same race as its host). Sorry but you sound dumb. Mother-Embryo relationship is more of a symbiosis.

The only control I see is pro choicers trying to control whether humans to live or not. Pro lifers NEVER forced anyone to have sex and eventually get pregnant. Letting a pregnancy go to term is a NON ACTION. Abortion IS the way to control pregnancy but putting an end to it.

You better stop trying to fearmonger about being beaten when physical abuse isn't remotely conditional to being pro life or not. By parading this argument, you are actually giving ammo to abusers who try to rationalize the abuse they inflict Being pro life is NOT male identified - actually, in those modern times, men are very wary to date women who won't abort if they have unplanned pregnancy. If anything, being pro choice IS convenient for the nigels who have access to women's body while having a way to cope out of the responsibility sexuality implies (paternity). There's no surprise pimp and abortion clinics work together hand in hand.

Anyway, not a single of your argument makes sense. Every sentence of this ask is stupider than the previous one. You are the most embarrassing anon I got since a whole. (and it takes A LOT to achieve this accomplishment).

[papirouge]

Yeah whatever. You claim to be a Christian but you shit all over Christian morals. And uh you know there's a difference between murdering an innocent little baby and defending yourself against some tranny groomer right? The baby is innocent and hasn't done anything wrong :)

Not you lecturing me about Christians morals just because you're cranky someone reminded you that murder is a sin 💀. Bestie YOU are the one who needs a reminder about Christian morals 101.

Oh and stop this stupid moral relativism. Stop parading the trans menace boogeyman to cope out of your own evilness. This strategy of self aggrandizing yourself by dunking on the lowest hanging fruits is manipulative & disgusting.

Do you think when you'll be facing God White Throne you'll be able to be like "yeah I advocated all my life against your commandments of not killing, but I'm not that bad as those tranny groomers, right?? :DD".

Both you and the groomer (if they didn't repent and turned their life to Christ) will end up in HELL, genius. Because a sin is a sin.

Oh and so NOW you care about little innocent babies? Stop lying. You gunsexuals don't care the slightest about protecting innocent beings if that goes on the way of defending those to killing machine. Freaking Sandy Hooks wasn't enough for you to stop your pro gun caping despite those"innocent" kids from dying of gun violence.

People like you pretend to caring about "babies" only to dunk on pro choicers and trans people (as if the biggest sexual offenders & groomers weren't CIS MALES🤡), otherwise you don't give a shit about protecting kids and will always pick your demonic gun culture even if they put them at risk.

If humans had to be put to death because of their sins than neither you or me would be alive because God would've never allowed any of us to exist at all.

It's insane how delusional Christians like you are, acting like some people (like you, obvi) were somehow more deserving of God's mercy than others. The same mercy allowing ANYONE to repent and access to eternal life that allowed your delusional self to live another day to write those idiocies online. You really should be grateful.

Work on yourself before judging people who don't even know God. Heathens wickedness doesn't dismiss yours the slightest.