#pro character hating

[endmylife69]

The toxicity of Chichi's fanbase needs to be addressed.

They make fun of people for not liking her.

They give people shit for wanting Goku to be with someone else and thinking he deserves better.

They make people feel bad for not sympathizing with her.

They put high standards on Goku and expect him to be a perfect husband and father with no flaws, but Chichi gets a free pass.

They shit on Goku for not listening to her demands, (even though always he does when he's not busy saving the world) and not finding a job when she doesn't have one either.

They blame Goku for all of Chichi's problems and bad behavior, even though she's been a crazy bitch before she even met him.

They harass people for acknowledging that Chichi is abusive, and try to paint Goku as the abuser when canon suggests otherwise.

They insult people for taking the abuse seriously and saying "it's meant to be a comedy" or "it's just fiction" as if that should automatically dismiss all valid criticism. Imagine if someone tried using those same excuses for Peter and Lois Griffin or any other abusive anime relationship involving a tsundere.

They give Chichi all the credit for being a good mom (she isn't IMO) but ignore all the other better Dragon Ball moms who are actually good parents that don't need to use brute force to scare their children into submission just to get them to do what they want. Bulma, 18, Videl, Gine, Panchy. All of these women are objectively better moms than Chichi could ever be and her fans are jealous of that.

They don't allow any criticism of her. They can't handle it whatsoever.

They act like Chichi is an innocent martyr who can do no wrong and think anyone who says otherwise is a monster. Funny how people will always discuss when the same is being done to Goku, Vegeta, Bulma or Piccolo but Chichi apologists are swept under the rug.

They deny canon proof of Chichi manipulating Gohan into thinking he doesn't like fighting. He was only four years old when he told Bulma he wanted to be an orthopedist or whatever the fuck he said.

They get so mad when people insist that she forced Goku to marry her all because he proposed to her. Ignoring context at it's finest. He only proposed to make her feel better and felt that it was his duty to fulfill a meaningless promise that he didn't even understand. The fact that she faked crying because it seemed like he was about to reject her and then kissed him without his consent, fondled him for the rest of the day until his next fight, all while he's looking confused, scared, disgusted, contempt and uncomfortable at the same time never factored into their minds.

They treats THEMSELVES like oppressed martyrs because someone dared to say something bad about her.

I've have been personally attacked by Chichi fans more times than I can count, and I have seen other Chichi haters get unfair scrutiny and judgement. Yet I see her fanbase acting like THEY'RE the ones being victimized, but I see their fanbase doing more harm to the anti Chichis than the anti Chichis ever do to them. If just ONE Chichi hater says something mean about a Chichi fan, it's treated as generalization rather than an isolated incident. But I never see the other way around. And her fans act high and mighty like they're more sane than the haters just because they like Chichi and others don't.

[works-of-heart]

Lucien's lament

Bonus page!

This was inspired by a conversation with friends! @olenvasynyt shared something in which people called Lucien weak. It seems the community loves to dog on this man for how he does or does not treat Elain despite him being the most respectful of her needs and wishes! People forget that he's got the mating bond too, and has a voice in this as much as she does.

Also, the last panel featuring Gwyn lol! These poor red haired babies deserve all the love after what they've been through!

[royaltea000]

Hmmmm…monkey

[iocaisaint]

I don't know how to explain but one thing I'll always love about Nesta is her accomplishments and how she's seen in the eyes of canon vs how they genuinely don't register to her (like not in a humble way she genuinely just never thinks about)

like she's able to circumvent a high lords glamour through pure strength of will

she then treks on a 4 day round trip through wolf country in the dead of winter to go get her sister back, simply because it wasn't right she was taken when the family has only benefitted from that

this leads into ACOMAF where Feyre thinks about asking Rhysand if he can force Nesta's hand if she doesn't agree to host (daemati powers) and then questions if he could even do it to Nesta

We've got literal gods talking about some Nesta "you're the one the wind whispered about" in ACOWAR

her having the King off Hybern scared as a human simply because she pointed a finger at him

Then there's the king slaying obviously

Then at some point between ACOFAS & ACOSF she manages to deal with her terror of bathtubs through pure exposure therapy and no outside help

Then there's the weapons she made

Not being able to be contained by Rhys at the height of her power (+ him admitting that she scares)

Kelpie slaying, dread trove, pure death etc.

Then there's the mother imbuing her power into Nesta's friendship bracelets? This one was genuinely crazy

Her managing those 10,000 steps that were difficult for even the bat boys on nothing but strong thighs and spite!

This is one I hate but the IC just throwing her at any single man (Helion & Eris) in Pyrthian to get what they want and it working

Holding the pass for Gwyn & Em, murdering Briallyn, stopping time, making a deal with a soup pot, having a one on one with the mother and saving Nyx, Feyre and Rhys in one morning

Then HOFAS she's calling up the dread trove through universes and slaying the wyrm, getting Gwydion and going down as saviour of another universe

This entire moment>>>>>> "Rhys nodded without looking at the warrior, and focused all his fury on Nesta. To her credit, the female stood stiff-backed, chin high. Imperious and unbending. Ember couldn't help but admire her.

Rhysand’s violet-blue eyes guttered into pure darkness at the challenge in Nesta’s expression, her stance. A predator recognizing a worthy opponent—and unsheathing its talons. His hands curled at his sides, as if invisible claws were forming."

Then we get into Nesta's pov and her only desires are to go home to her man, hang out with Emerie & Gwyn, get her hands on a pegasus, read smutty books and eat chocolate cake 😭

I may not like how her story went but I'll always appreciate that this part of her stayed the same

[charmwasjess]

Still thinking about Galidraan, about the Legends vs Canon treatment of Dooku’s character, namely his exit from the Jedi. 

It’s funny how much it matters to me and improves Dooku’s story that he didn’t leave the Jedi out of growing disillusionment with the Order itself. In the current canon, it’s all framed around a very Padme-esque disenchantment with current political makeup of the Republic, the Jedi being used by the Senate and political machines inappropriately, and how planets with little wealth or influence are left out. In the penultimate moment of crisis, he leaves for Serenno, not because he can’t be a Jedi any longer. Because of a conviction that he could truly make something better. 

And I don’t mean to suggest that he never expresses any criticism of the Jedi or particularly, the Council. He seems to have founded that characteristic trait within the Disaster Lineage. (Ironically, the person in Dooku’s story who should have the most legitimate reason to have a personal problem with the Jedi Order is fucking Sifo-Dyas, who never seems to have considered leaving and literally dies telling the camera he did it all to save the Jedi, but that’s a different post.) But that isn't what compels Dooku to leave. In fact, he remains close with the Order for years afterward.

Why it matters to me is because that detail makes Dooku ultimately betraying the Order SO MUCH MORE FUCKED. 

Because they weren’t an old score he was settling. It wasn't seething resentment that boiled out into revenge years later. They were innocent collateral damage of his decisions. His family. His lineage. His legacy. It makes his treachery so much more personal. He had a wager, power for a horrible cost, and he took the power and paid the horrible cost. Sidious really gets him with:

If Dooku hated them and had always thought they deserved to be destroyed, it wouldn’t have been a true Sith bargain, the trade off wouldn’t have tallied. In the same way that Vader could not have existed if Anakin hadn’t loved Padme and yet still killed her.

If Dooku was just a horrible, conceited, power-hungry ass who expectedly traded the kinda shitty people in his life for a shot at more power, it wouldn’t be a very good story. If he really didn’t give a shit, why would Sidious make that his initiation? But if he does - does care deeply about Sifo-Dyas, does love Qui-Gon like a son, is touched by Yaddle’s kindness and sympathy, begins to see Asajj as a true apprentice, consistently tries to save Obi-Wan out of affection, still considers the Jedi his true family - and yet still dooms them all, how much more tragic and horrible and sickening and real and interesting is his story?

[the-daily-dreamer]

LET ALICENT HIGHTOWER HATE HER NEGLECTFUL RAPIST HUSBAND

LET ALICENT HIGHTOWER HATE HER NEGLECTFUL RAPIST HUSBAND

LET ALICENT HIGHTOWER HATE HER NEGLECTFUL RAPIST HUSBAND

LET ALICENT HIGHTOWER HATE HER NEGLECTFUL RAPIST HUSBAND

LET ALICENT HIGHTOWER HATE HER NEGLECTFUL RAPIST HUSBAND

I cannot stand hearing her defend him and speak highly of him. She’s told Rhaenys how she loved him (he took her as an unwilling child bride). She’s told Rhaenyra how she was fond of him and him of her (he couldn’t remember her name and ignored her for years while she attended to his rotting corpse). She tells Aegon how she wants him to be more like his father (the man who she was ruling for and who ignored all their children). She should not be saying this AT ALL. LET ALONE AFTER HE HAS DIED AND SHE HAS DONE EVERYTHING FOR HER SON TO TAKE THE THRONE. LET HER HATE HIM. HE DID NOTHING TO HER BUT RUIN HER LIFE AND HURT HER. SHE DESERVES TO BE ANGRY AT HIM

[uglynavel]

The Avatar fandom is always saying that if we get a continuation after Korra they hope we get to see more complex and flawed characters because atla and lok lacked them

Well I don't want that because y'all can't even handle the ones you were already given

[sistertonin]

drewpunk but make it reality

[wishesofeternity]

The thing about HotD is that it while it absolutely minimizes the agency and ambition of both Rhaenyra and Alicent, this is specifically used to glorify Rhaenyra and frame her as righteous while condemning Alicent and framing her lacking. That's the key difference in both their textual portrayals that has directly led to 90% of the fandom hailing Rhaenyra as the second coming of Christ while spewing the most hateful vitriol at Alicent just for existing. But y'all are not prepared for that conversation.

[bookwormangie]

This had me cackling 😭

'Another ten points from Gryffindor,' said Snape. 'I would expect nothing more sophisticated from you, Ronald Weasley, the boy so solid he cannot Apparate half an inch across a room.'

And then there's that smug little smirk of his, just basking in his own cleverness lmaoo

'Now open your books to page two hundred and thirteen,' said Snape, smirking a little.

He may be mean but his biting humor is pure gold.

[arson-09]

Have been seeing some discussion again about tamlin being a good High Lord or not and I just have to remind everyone of one of the best little facts from acotar I never really seen mentioned.

Acotar, Chapter 25 Page 221

She [Alis] simply said, "Summer Solstice. The main celebration used to be at the Summer Court, but... Things are different. So now we have one here, too. You're going."

"so now we have one here too..." Because of amarantha and Tamlin being just a good person he allowed anyfae from any court to come to spring. And because no one could really go back to their courts for their respective solstice celebrations, Tamlin made sure Spring Celebrated all of them

I just think that's such a cool fucking thing. That Tamlin cared for the people coming to spring for safety, and he made changes to help everyone feel comfortable and at home. He cares about the people who live in Spring, he cares so damn much :(((

[lainalit]

Jurian (who's people where enslaved for hundreds of years) when he gets vilified for killing a bunch of fae slaveowners

[smhalltheurlsaretaken]

y'all need to get a grip. you blab all day about how much you hate bigots and hateful people and how evil it is to dehumanize anyone and then you turn around and say "kys" and "i think [x] should all just kill themselves" and other disgusting, violent and childish trash

so many people on here are just full of hatred and vitriol and turn into frenzied sharks anytime the target 'deserves it' and they think they can get away with it and not be called bad people. then they whine about how sad it is that we can't all just get along and if only all the evil people in the world would stop doing evil things wouldn't that be nicer

you're just as vicious, hypocritical and fanatically puritanical as the caricature you have made in your minds of the people you think you have nothing in common with. if you've ever told someone, ANYONE to kill themselves you're not advocates of justice, you're not artisans of peace, and you certainly don't have any moral high ground that would allow you to pass judgment on others

[romanticatheartt]

You know why I love Feysand? One of the reasons is because there's a balance between them. In a way they complete each other.

Feyre is all forgiveness, love and a pleaser.

But Rhysand on the other hand is all revenge, hate and never forget.

Whenever he's drowning in hatred for himself, for people who wronged his loved ones, she's there to pull him up and shower him with love, respect and reminding him of goodness.

And whenever she is being too forgiving to the point she's forgetting herself or to put herself first, he's there to bring justice and be a shield for her from the injustice of it all.

That's why this is one of my favorite scene of them:

He's saying he can't forgive anyone who wronged her. But she remembers the ones who wronged him and notices he doesn't care about himself, his hatred for himself won't allow it.

She's saying he has to forgive at some point. He's there to remind her that maybe it's okay to admit that some people have made her suffer.

It's this back and forth between them. It balances them.

He's always self sacrificing himself to keep his loved ones safe, to make them comfortable, to be a shield. And Feyre came to his life, saw right throw all of them and let him to burden her with some of those duties he put himself up for them.

Sometimes it's a wrong trait but it's never out of malice.

And she is always too forgiving, putting everyone else first, always backing down when some times she needs to back up for herself and she let herself to forget them. But he won't, he will remember, he'll defend her if it's needed and when someone crosses a line, he's there to remind them to back down.

Sometimes she let people take too much from her and it might hurt her in the process. A wrong trait of her.

They're the definition of "I will give my love for the both of us" and "I will give my hatred for the both of us"... does that make sense?

[throwawayasoiafaccount]

btw what theon went through is what thousands upon thousands upon thousands of slaves still go through in essos. so, do you still feel pity for the slavers that were crucified? do you still pity the slavers killed when daenerys freed the unsullied?

i ask these questions, and yet i know that there are still many people who believe that the violence against the slavers wasn’t justified, or believe that it was simply “too much” or “not fair.” truly… what an insane hill to die on.

maybe these people should spare more empathy for the formerly enslaved instead of wasting time making up excuses (that are not supported by the text) for why the slave masters' deaths were somehow not justified 🫶

[soraya-snape]

I don't know how many times I have heard a Marauders Stan tell me and other Snape Fans that we only like him because of Alan Rickman. Which is funny because they are the exact same people who only like the Marauders and also death eaters like Regulus because of their hot fancasts. And I don't even have a problem with it because yes Alan Rickman did play a part in me liking Snape and I believe you can like pretty much every fictional character because they are fictional. The difference is that I don't excuse Sev's behaviour because I think he looks good unlike these Marauders Stans.