#pride and prejudice talk

[bennetsbonnet]

Two statements about characters can and should co-exist: Pride and Prejudice edition

Mr Bennet has a close relationship with Elizabeth and provides amusing observations on the folly of human nature BUT he is a terrible husband and father who consistently neglects the women who rely on him for absolutely everything; Elizabeth and Jane turned out so well in spite of him, not because of him.

Mrs Bennet's behaviour is understandable given the era in which she lived and the subsequent pressure she was under to get her daughters married well, which wasn't entirely for vanity reasons given that Longbourn was entailed BUT she was still fundamentally vain, ridiculous and rude; such pressure, even combined with an absent husband, still does not make her behaviour justifiable, nor her a sympathetic character, as she enabled Lydia (whose subsequent elopement with Wickham almost ruined the family) for far too long.

Mr Collins is unfairly portrayed as a middle-aged sycophant in most adaptations, rather than the young clergyman who sucks up to his patroness in pursuit of a more lucrative living that he was BUT he is still a ridiculous character who you are not meant to feel sympathy for when Elizabeth rejects him; he is rude, hypocritical and thinks of himself far too highly considering how vapid he actually is.

Caroline Bingley is often too harshly judged as a 'pick-me,' even though her relentless pursuit of Darcy is understandable given his wealth & status and how important it was for women to make a good marriage BUT she was still rude, vain and treated Jane terribly; plus she was a hypocritical snob, given the manner in which she looked down upon the Bennet family's relations despite the Bingleys' own background in trade.

Elizabeth is incredibly witty, courageous and endearing and instantly likeable which makes Darcy's slight of her at the Meryton assembly all the more of an affront to us as readers BUT, while it explains her dislike of him, she is no means perfect herself; she had far too much misplaced pride in her ability to successfully read others' characters and consequently ignored positive accounts of Darcy in favour of believing the deceitful Wickham, given her prejudice against the former.

Mr Darcy was harshly judged by Elizabeth, even though there are many more sympathetic elements to his character than immediately meet the eye BUT he was not shy or innocent; he was always a haughty rich man who had never been told no, thought far too highly of himself and, ultimately, thoroughly deserved to be rebuked and subsequently made to reform his character.

[betty-fran]

I finally understand why Kirk and Spock have this strong Jane Austen vibe in TOS. It's all because they never really talk, dammit. They communicate with these affectionate understatements, looking at each other with those intense, thoughtful looks, and it's like you're constantly stuck in the middle of a particularly confusing conversation somewhere in Pride and Prejudice.

[phantasymistart]

uploaded both of these p&p studies to my inprnt!

[blueblurbbaskets]

honestly i think a lot of nuance to Mr. Collin's character is lost in most P&P adaptations when they cast him as a guy multiple decades older than his book age. this man is twenty-five years old and fresh out of seminary. he does things like apologize for fifteen minutes straight and start conversations in socially inappropriate ways he's not a Creepy Older Relative he's the guy who went to college and now thinks he knows shit but also somehow learned almost nothing there and is probably actually a lot more anxious than he lets on. casting him as an older guy gives a vastly different impression of what he's like

[puppetmaster13u]

Prompt 271

“Grandmother is visiting,” Damian suddenly said with no warning and with his usual not-quite demanding tone. 

“Who?” Tim wasn’t the only one to startle, seeing as Bruce had practically froze, a downturn to his lips in a silent show of confusion. 

Damian scowled. “Are you deaf Drake? Grandmother is coming to Gotham to, quote, make sure I am being properly cared for.” None of them had known that Ras was with anyone actually. At least Tim was pretty sure that would have been in the files. 

“Oh?” Dick didn’t quite crouch to Damian’s height but it was a near thing. “She-” “He,” Damian corrected, interrupting him. They all exchanged a glance before Dick continued. 

“Is he coming to the Manor or…” 

Damian scoffed again, a tiny bit of a flush against his face. “No, Grandmother will most likely be staying with Akhi-”

Now wait one moment-

“YOU HAVE ANOTHER BROTHER?!” 

[beebeedibapbeediboop]

My bf offered me a dress...It's giving "I'm waiting for Mr.Darcy to come and utter his unyielding love for me"

[tolerateit]

EDITING PROMPT OF THE MONTH -> NOSTALGIA

[wings-of-flying]

i will never understand people who don't like jay ferin because she's truly the best character in riptide. i don't say that lightly, either. (chip's exactly the sort of character i always love, and bizly plays him so well, with so many nuances. gillion's that perfect mixture of comedy and tragedy that charlie always manages. so many of grizzly's npcs are so well-rounded and developed you'd think *they* were the main characters - mainly talking about people like lizzie, caspian, ollie, the ferins, etc.) but jay ferin is a wonder to behold

for the first half of the campaign - literally the first half - she's hiding who she really is. she's still brilliantly funny and interesting, but she seems not quite fleshed out - but that's because condi's doing an absolutely incredible job at playing a character who's not being herself. and then once she comes into herself and feels more confident, oh my goodness condi's so great at showing her self-doubt but also her silliness. she's such a good female character (and others in riptide don't achieve this so easily, so again i'm not saying it lightly) and it's down to how well condi writes and plays her story

as much as chip is my favourite due to personal preferences when it comes to tropes and archetypes for my blorbos, i really mean it when i say jay ferin is the *best* character in riptide. i could talk about her forever, and i do often, but i really wanted to talk about this cause it baffles me when people say she's underdeveloped or boring. she's the best one, you sillies, you just might've missed when the extent of her brilliance was revealed (aka episode 53)

[prideandprejudice]

#same energy (requested by anonymous)

[starliteonearth]

I'm seeing a lot of discourse on the Daemyra divorce scene and some are arguing that Rhaenyra was terrified and she flinched when Daemon raised his hand, but I've rewatched the scene over and over, for research purposes, and Rhaenyra wasn't petrified, she was PISSED (and very turned on considering her eyes literally drop to his lips right after but some of y'all are blind I guess). And she didn't flinch, she SNARLED. It was very much "try me bitch, i'm not playing with you today", which is why Daemon pulls back his hand so quickly. Mans had to consider his next move very carefully lol

Like come onnnnnn now

[bennetsbonnet]

Why don't you agree with the "enemies to lovers trope"? For Elizabeth at least, Darcy, after insulting her, surely was her enemy.

Personally, I don't really enjoy the tropification of literature and reducing stories down to a few buzz words because, in doing so, the context of the era in which the novels were written in is ignored and the complexity of each character is downplayed. I don't think it's the worst offence in the world by any means, I guess if you're recommending it to a friend who likes that trope then it makes sense to push it, but I find it hard to think of Elizabeth and Mr Darcy as enemies (and I also wonder if the friend would be disappointed because it might not truly be enemies to lovers).

I can see why some might think of Pride and Prejudice as enemies to lovers, perhaps especially first-time readers who focus on Elizabeth's perspective of Mr Darcy, as the narrative does because that's all the information we have to go off when forming our opinion of his character, but I think that once you know his character and see how hard he was trying with her, it's a struggle to think of him as ever viewing Elizabeth as an enemy.

You're right that Elizabeth did perceive Darcy negatively, especially after he insulted her, but is that enough for enemies? He was rude and she was rightly furious and understandably thought the worst of him but I'm not sure based off that one interaction, it warrants Darcy being deemed her enemy.

I also don't think that's the core of their dynamic. Elizabeth was subconsciously interested in him, she enjoyed conversing with him and provoking him; she looked for any sign of his features in Lady Catherine's face when she met her and she also passed judgment on Anne de Bourgh, who she believed would be Darcy's future wife... she remembered one vague comment off Wickham about Anne and it clearly stuck in her mind for months. Darcy was living there rent free!

From Darcy's perspective, Elizabeth was never his enemy. Her situation in life was his enemy perhaps... but Elizabeth herself? I don't think so! Once he spent even a small amount of time with her, he was smitten. I also think that depicting Mr Darcy as merely an enemy to a lover does a disservice to his growth because he was never inherently a bad man worthy of being viewed of as an enemy, as evidenced by the many good accounts of him that we hear, he just needed to be humbled and change his ways. That doesn't scream bad boy or enemy to me.

Finally, I can't see either of them being happy with someone they had ever deemed an enemy, not with how much Elizabeth values good manners and Darcy's strong moral code. He was being conceited when he said it, but I believe Mr Darcy was sincere when he said, 'my good opinion once lost, is lost forever.' I don't think he's a man capable of enemies to lovers!

[invincibledc]

OH YEAH, HAPPPY PRIDE MONTH TO YALLLL!!!

[petals2fish]

Listen if they can remake the same books into movies over and over and over again then what’s wrong with me writing my favorite characters into the same meet-cutes over and over again?

[hello-eeveev]

I have no evidence to support this, but I like to imagine that when Orym randomly pulls out a rock at breakfast and says, “Mr. Widogast?” there’s a least part of Essek that’s like—

“hehe, that’s me :)”

[beebeedibapbeediboop]

I am drawing Mr Darcy again....he is a little miserable...a little slutty..

[tolerateit]

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE (2005) dir. Joe Wright