#pre scratch roxy

[sburbdaily]

day 46

[mysterioushistorian]

happy halloween! have some dad egbert x mom lalonde cause they are so cute

[couldurfaveescapeaperturescience]

[scriblesandbits]

MY BABY DONT CRY! SHE JUST SLEEEEEPPSSS THROUGH THE NIIIGHTTT SHE DONT FUSS SHE DONT WHINE SHE STAYS PERRRFECTLY QUIET!

I love the lalondes 😄 theyre so auuuuuu… I need to draw them more

(bonus Post-Scratch Roxy under the cut… heh)

Adore her sm do you think she ever has really vivid dreams about having a baby. That would be kind of fucked up wouldnt it

[xxstickittwomexx]

[aluria-sevhex]

help a few days ago i drew a mom and i think i accidentally made her a milf

[atrophicgardenia]

sometimes i wonder about my romantic orientation. i had a dream that i was in lesbians with my friend’s mom and my friend’s mom was this lady

[thewertsearch]

The heroes chose to accept this bargain, and scratched their session. In doing so they jumpstarted the reality in which the twenty-four figures of legend would together be created - and I as well - and then sent back in time to take our places in history. Though I was delivered well before history even began, before the dawning of life on their planet. This time around, I would oversee its development, and thus fulfill the mother's promise of an aggressive, ruthlessly prepared group of heroes. One that would not rest until victory was secured.

It sounds like Scratch's changes weren't really about combat ability at all. Instead, he was more concerned with ensuring the trolls were psychologically prepared to face the game. We don't really know what made the pre-Alternians so bad at Sgrub, but Scratch solved any and all such problems by replacing them with a group of belligerent power-gamers who sought to conquer the universe they made. Thanks, Doc!

Also – this might be a little pedantic, but did the post-Scratch session really count as a victory? I mean, when your frog is terminal, your universe is sealed off, and your species is almost extinct, can you really say you won?

The pre-Alternians might have grounds to sue, is what I’m trying to say.

The young twenty-four would again be scattered in two groups, twelve modern contemporaries, and twelve ancients. But in addition to losing their memories of everything that had happened before the scratch, there was another catch for the failed heroes. In the new reality, they would not serve as the heroes. They would mature to become the ancestors of the twelve they formerly regarded as theirs, and this twelve would be chosen for glory.

...the Ancestors were Alternia's original Players.

I speculated that the kids might change Guardians after the reboot - but for some reason, I never even considered that a Guardian could become a Player. If this is how a Scratch actually works...

This... this changes everything. This is Act 6's hidden twist - the fact that we're not going to be getting our kids at all. Homestuck's new heroes, the next session's champions, are Joan Egbert, Roxy Lalonde, Dale Strider, and...

and...

PEN-PAL IS THE SCRATCHED VERSION OF GRANDPA.

Jesus christ, everything fits. He's a child with Grandpa’s mannerisms because they’re time-duplicates, and it's looking increasingly likely that memories can bleed between the two. He recognizes Jade as his 'grandmother' because in his timeline, Jade arrived before he did, and became the new matriarch of the Harley family. He knows about Earth culture because he grew up on another Earth. His access to the bunny's endgame weapons... is still a little confusing, actually, but this fits literally everything else. I am absolutely, 100% confident that this is the answer to Homestuck's most maddening riddle.

I can't fucking believe what I'm reading. Literally every prediction I have about Homestuck's future is going to have to change.

[lime-bloods]

Meenah's use of Roxy as a coercive surrogate is a reenactment of her mentor Scratch performing the same trick on Rose with the Tumor. understanding that the Matriorb and the Tumor aren't just thematic and visual mirrors of each other but in fact serve the very same function in Rose and Roxy's mirrored arcs, though, we can identify another way in which Meenah becomes a symbolic player in the Lalonde family trauma; Meenah's also perpetuating a trick that Scratch once pulled on her!

(p. 4995)

Meenah having rejected motherhood early on in her Beforan life, when Scratch made sure her session was unwinnable and thus forced a reset, he was essentially setting up an elaborate scam ensuring that her quest leads up to this moment where she's forced to hatch a big troll egg. but where Rose hatching the Tumor was a "suicide mission" intended primarily to ensure her own destruction (with twin Dave coming along as collateral), Meenah sets the bomb off with the aim of ensuring her whole team's rebirth - setting up her new life post-scratch, she's forced to symbolically take on the role of mother to all trollkind (a burden which will only be lifted from her millennia later, with her death and the passing of the Tumor-in-Matriorb-form over to Kanaya).

while we can ascribe Meenah's late arrival to the dream bubbles to the temporal whims of the Furthest Ring, or even to the obscure motivations of the Horrorterrors responsible for them, having made the connection between Tumor and Matriorb it also brings to mind the immense spans of time it can take for troll genes to make their way through the incestuous slurry and finally be born, millennia after their ancestors have died. in fact the chronology of Dave and Rose's ascension even seems to hint at this same concept in action; while the pair presumably ascend instantaneously on their slabs the moment the bomb goes off, Aradia waits for some time at the pre-existing Sun for them to actually emerge from its surface, still engulfed in the flames that destroyed them. the Green Sun/incestuous slurry is like the Furthest Ring itself - they are mediums without a conventional flow of time, entry into which is not necessarily a reliable indicator of when you'll get out.

[conceptofjoy]

jakey's... interesting. set up to be a colonizer with the last name english, her gender roles were established by HIC pre scratch and then elaborated on by the world around them.

what i take from beta gramps is that he was someone with a fragile ego, put on the air of someone important and powerful, used intimidation to avoid further confrontation, and never had any meaningful relationships in his entire life. yk, like a real man. having many children and owning multiple properties? he kept telling himself he was doing right. then he died and the only person at his funeral was his fuckin 5 year old granddaughter.

trickster mode jake didn't need alcohol like roxy did, she was just repeatedly telling themself that "everyone could have a piece of him" disassociated out his goddamn mind.

i dunno, it just feels like prescratch jake was trying to prove something by searching for adventure (running from HIC, who was in charge of his assimilation). looking for importance in (pretending to) being a "white man" then convincing himself that this was what he's always wanted. and when he was done with that then he was allowed to be "bored" because he's an important fellow and people else where would need his company. there is no brain ghost dirk around, but we can assume what he represents in jake would definitely exist within him anyhow. the continuous soul crushing drive to be a "man" instead of dissecting what he really wants out of life.

[garysprites]

Actually also if I may ask 🥺 kid-style mom (aka roxy in her pre-scratch outfit and no eyes) holding hands with aranea :3 thank you!

[sburbdaily]

day 44

[cringefail-clown]

Soo, uhh, what's the story on how kankri got his sign and all? As an ancestor lover, I'm curious about what happened to kankri's ancestor. Was it one of feferi's first instances of being a cruel empress? (idk if that's what I should say, but oh well) Does kankri have a vague idea of what happened (if something bad did happen) like how karkat had an idea of what happend to the sufferer/signless?

Anyways, I love your AU and the art you make for it!

the symbol came from the same place - the irons that bound the signless hand, but how it came to be is a pretty different story.

im trying to think bout it from the classpect angle - like how in canon the signless was post scratch kankri, so his abilities as a seer of blood allowed him to get glimpses from his pre scratch life, which inspired him to try and change things for the better. but in the au, its karkat who's in the role of the signless, and he aint no seer, hes a knight, he protects with his aspect and protects his aspect. i think the blood powers would carry some memories as well, maybe not so clear like how it was for kankri, but karkat would get the vague feeling of this is wrong.

i think hed see what feferi as empress was trying to do, and would be like "wait a fucking minute she just tries to treat lower classes like some kind of animals that have to be under care of highbloods" and hed be PISSED bc hed rather die than have some highblood asshole coddle him his whole life just bc of his blood mutation.

so hed be like "actually fuck you and fuck the monarchy" and hed start preaching bout the better world where all the blood castes have a say in how their society works (like how it was on tb!beforus) and karkats really good at getting people to follow him. so thats how the movement against the empress would start, and when the news about the revolution would reach feferi she would be pissed then, bc she wants a better life for them and this is how theyre repaying her, by wanting to overthrow her?? and it spirals from here into karkats execution and feferi becoming more and more paranoid

as for if kankri knows how things went, well he does! he gets visions of his past and future selves through dreams, some are nice, but most of the time theyre terryfying (so he just,, stops sleeping). its a mix between his time on beforus and how society was like there, some of karkats memories as the signless get into it too as they're kinda bound by blood ie. the ancestry stuff, and also he gets some visions of the post-game on earth c! those are his favourite. im thinking hard bout everyones aspects, i also liked the idea of kankri being able to "sense" past and future relationships between ppl (for example he can vaguely tell when ppl have history between them and if its positive or not, or he just gets one look at roxy and porrim and goes "yeah theyre gonna be insufferably in love"), its all a work in progress tho!

[umbreonstuck]

Quick question, how many pages are there that feature kissing?

i excluded hs2 and also did not include a few panels from doc scratches segment where there were kiss panels that were both already scene and also very far in the background where it didnt really matter

apologies for any errors. i had to make this on desktop for image limits. problem? im a mobile baby

Aradiabot + Equius

pre and post retcon. page 2287

Tavros + Vriska

page 2380

Sollux + Feferi

page 2480

Jadesprite + Jade

pages 3252-3253

Karkat + Kanaya

page 3384

Terezi + Tavros

page 3384

Rufio + Hussie

pages 3391-3393

Snowman + Spades Slick

pages 3855-3857

June + Rose / Terezi + Tavros / Karkat + Kanaya / Jade + Dave

jade and dave dont touch lips here but she does still kiss him. page 3870

Gamzee + June

page 4944 ([S] DD: Ascend more casually.)

Dirk + Roxy

they do kiss but squarewave censors it. page 5238 ([S] Dirk: Synchronize.)

Jake + Dirk (Hal ig)

like do i legally consider this a kiss with hal or just dirk? funny how this is the only kiss in the unite and synchronize sequence that was not censored. pages 5249-5250

Dirk + Jane

again, they do kiss, but a fade to white censors the touching of lips. page 5252 ([S] Dirk: Unite.)

Jake + Dirk (Hal)

again. page 5252 ([S] Dirk: Unite.)

Kanaya + Rose

you were waiting for this. pages 5421-5422

Roxy + Dirk

page 5758

(Vriska) + Meenah

page 7351

Jade + Davepetasprite^2

page 8008. boob

apologies if i missed any. im 3 years old and have memory loss

[oldeubagel]

Pre-scratch Roxy yay

[dorkhellbside]

his trickster mode outfit is a reflection of pre scratch cal’s but the blue shirt means the same thing to the way he’s not drawn with a mouth. the red hair is a swap for cal’s red cheeks OR hal’s dual red circle imagery. dirk is only given a voice if he’s disagreeing with someone (usually hal/arq) but in this case it can also be roxy or jake. even then it happens where we dont see him Speaking Out Loud.