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marsconer · 2 years ago
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PENELOPE & SEVERUS : TALE AS OLD AS MEDIEVAL TIME
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i was working on many wrong few rights when i realized penelope and severus had a very interesting dynamic. i think i may have developed myself into a courtly love corner with those two. or maybe i accidentally made a subversion of courtly love, since they aren’t the usual figures who would get to live a courtly love. so here’s my study of a relationship. disclaimer im not a medievalist or an english major so take my literally analyses with a handful of salt, im just a gay person with a hobby and thoughts. i wrote this for me to help me write my fic and i decided to share bc this is my blog that’s reason enough.
what is courtly love in the first love?
courtly love was a medieval european literary conception of love that emphasized nobility and chivalry. ( wikipedia ). courtly was the love of a knight for a woman of noble heritage, usually above the knight's own social class. It was a ritualistic admiration of a lady of high birth, usually unrelated to marriage or sex. it places great important on this later part, courtly love cannot be consummated. it is better to speak or to die? to die.
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THE KNIGHT.
this is where i think things get interesting because severus snape is not your local medieval knight. and those characters are already idealized versions of said knights. let’s contrast our half blood prince with those arthurian esque legends. when i was researching knighthood for this meta, the found that had pillars and they were:
friendship, generosity, chastity, courtesy, piety, honor, honestly, valour, loyalty, devotion.
and although severus embodies a few of those traits ( devotion and loyalty come to to mind ), he’s more in line with your heathcliff than your lancelot. his loyalty to dumbledore can only be proven by being disloyal to voldemort. he is chaste, even in cannon all his love for lily can be read as platonic and even when read as romantic is very chaste. but he lacks the everything else.
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THE LADY
penelope gaunt on the other hand, fulfills what “lady of high birth” is supposed to be closely enough. she’s on high birth technically, being slytherin royalty and having a powerful father, she’s promised to marry into the most ancient and noble house of black. but she’s also incredibly comfortable with violence, she has a higher tolerance to it than him when they start off. her father’s power comes from being the leader of a terrorist-classist-mugglephobic cult. her “lord” husband dies in the first year of marriage and during the golden era she’s not a maiden or a lady wife but a widow. she’s not a traditional figure to be “worthy” of said devotion.
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THE COURTING, THE LOVING
penelope and severus start growing closer in their fifth year, they had a solid friendship but their dynamic slowly grows from confidants to this dance around their feelings that resembles the courtly love of high born lady and her knight. and by the time the seventh year rolls around, they are already familiar with the movements enough that it’s obvious to everyone around them. it would be mutual pining and out of the charts yearning but it’s the fact that they both unsuited for those idealized and romanticized roles that scratches the mentally ill part of my brain. this is why i write them. the whole two people who have committed horrors being belief engaging in a form of loving they are intently unfit for because the foundation of it are a sense innocence and honor, and doing it anyway.
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proshipwanderer · 3 months ago
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i feel like. being anti-harassment should be the default. i think its REALLY strange to go out of your way to bully strangers online. i don’t think. harassing people online and in fandom spaces should be the norm. that’s just me tho
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kotoal1011 · 9 months ago
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The "if you don't want to get harassed, don't post your weird shit online" take has to be among the ones I hate the most. You're telling me I have to post "normal" stuff (whatever that means) or else the harassment is justified? That the one in the right is the person sending threats? That I can't even have a space for myself online? For fuck's sake.
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soulrending · 2 months ago
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i want to FLUSTER that man. i want to make him BLUSH. i want to make him feel VULNERABLE AROUND ME. i want to make him WEAK IN THE KNEES. i want to kiss him
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justafi5h · 2 months ago
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petition to start calling antis "censorshippers"
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pansnovydinnia · 3 months ago
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i can't stop laughing
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my god they're so close! so close!!
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tinkaqueer · 1 month ago
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DNIs be like
⚠️DNI if:⚠️
Literally Hitler
KKK Member
Puppy Murderer
Orphan Kicker
Domestic Terrorist
Or PROSHIPPER
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dearestdrearilygirl · 2 months ago
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"ugh proshippers and antishippers are both sooo immature like shipping discourse is sooo stupid like i'm neitherrrr like why would you even want to engage with that"
I've seen antishippers unironically say and agree with eachother on the following opinions: being a proshipper means people should be allowed to bully you. proshippers make them believe in eugenics. proshippers all belong in jail. being a proshipper means people can send you death and rape threats because "you deserve it". being a proshipper should be basis for taking away someone's human rights or at least put them on a watchlist.
I'm not a proshipper because i care too much about fictional ships, I'm a proshipper because antishippers sent my friends threats for liking certain ships. I'm a proshipper because i believe i shouldn't have my human rights taken away or be bullied or in jail just for liking a fucking ship. If you believe ship discourse is stupid and immature, then you probably believe people shouldn't be thrown in jail for it.
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entirely-strange · 3 months ago
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"stop shipping it and you wont get harrased" yeah the same way weird kids can stop being weird to stop bullying right
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kiwisandpearls · 4 months ago
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“I’m anti cringe culture!”
are you cool with people shipping things you don’t like? Are you cool with people making fanfiction you don’t like? Are you cool with people making fanart you don’t like? Are you cool with canon x oc stuff? Are you cool with self-shippers? Are you cool with furries? Are you—
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proshipwanderer · 3 months ago
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you are not a disgusting person for exploring and enjoying dark themes in fiction. you do not have to defend yourself or justify the content you consume. have fun with it, get freaky and weird with it. you can do whatever you want forever
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someonesmessedupson · 26 days ago
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Dear Proshippers (both new and whoever resonates) -
You are NOT a pedophile for liking to ship FAKE kids with other FAKE people.
You are NOT a groomer for having dark kinks and talking about it in an online community who also has dark kinks just because an anti sees it.
It is NOT your fault if a kid consumes the media you put out with adult imaging. Their parents/ guardians should be monitoring them better.
You are NOT A BAD PERSON!
Fiction is NOT reality! And it does not (and should not) affect it, either!
If fiction is affecting your reality, please reach out to someone and seek help wherever possible.
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the--queen-of--hell · 27 days ago
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"Tell your parents you're a proshipper"
Tell your parents you like to harass people.
Tell your parents you like to tell people to kill themselves.
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you deserve your trauma"
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you deserve to be abused"
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you deserve to be raped"
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you should be abused"
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you should be raped"
Tell your parents you like to tell people "you deserve to burn in hell".
Tell your parents you like to tell people "go watch real CSEM instead of shipping a 'problematic' fictional couple"
Tell your parents you like to call people "monsters" for liking some fictional content.
Tell your parents you care more about fictional characters being shipped than you care about real people's emotions.
Tell your parents you care more about fanfic/fanarts of fictional characters than you care about actual real life problems.
Tell your parents you lead real people to suicide.
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internally-weird · 4 months ago
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some anti on tiktok: hey guys just so you know 🌺💞 is a proshit combo for mom x daughter, 🐺🍡 means adult x child and 🦷🧠 is cannibalism kink!!
other antis in the comments: omg thank you!! now i know who to block
proshippers who have never seen those combos in their lives: what
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onepiecebrainslop · 1 month ago
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I would explain this but honestly? The call comes from inside the house…
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textk4kira · 7 months ago
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No group of trans people has inherent power/privilege over another group of trans people.
Trans men are not your oppressors.
Trans women are not your oppressors.
Nonbinary people, regardless of AGAB, are not your oppressors.
It is important to interrogate your own biases towards your fellow trans people.
Oftentimes, a decent place to start would be to make friends with Other trans people. You'll probably find that you have much more in common with them then you realize.
I'm a transmasc demigirl, if you'd like to know more about our community and my experiences, please feel free to leave a comment, send a dm or send an ask.
Edit: June 8th, 2024 addition
Please do not cite classism or any other form of discrimination some kind of 'gotcha moment'.
I am well aware of how intersecting identities can compound to form unique forms of oppression.
Thank you for reading.
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