#perfect example of Zionism

[hero-israel]

#4 sounds like white people at the end of slavery… “we didn’t want to end it because what if there’s retaliation? There have already been slave riots. Imagine what would happen if we gave them freedom or if we became the minority?” It’s not speculative it actually happened the fears had basis. That’s what number four sounds like. It also feels like you only care about one view point like you expect me to believe y’all are perfect victims that did one thing in retaliation?

#4 sounds like that to you because you are an American who thinks the whole world is America and all history must be the same as yours. So you should start by asking yourself what it is in your cultural upbringing, and what in the media you consume, that has you automatically believing the worst possible claims against Jews, to the point of seeing it as understandable for us to be mass murdered.

Jews did not - and do not - want to live in an Arab or Muslim majority society not because of any issues related to "slave uprisings" you are teleporting into this discussion, but rather because Jews had already been brutally oppressed, persecuted, and genocided by Arabs and Muslims for 1,000+ years before Israel or political Zionism were ever invented. Mohammed himself got his hands dirty with this, wiping out the Jews of Yathrib and renaming the gore-drenched rubble into something called "Medina." No less a source than Maimonides wrote in 1172 "God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us... We bear the inhumane burden of their humiliation, lies and absurdities, being as the prophet said, ‘like a deaf man who does not hear or a dumb man who does not open his mouth’.... Our sages disciplined us to bear Ishmael’s lies and absurdities, listening in silence, and we have trained ourselves, old and young, to endure their humiliation, as Isaiah said, ‘I have given my back to the smiters, and my cheek to the beard pullers.’”

Because there is a long history of this, there is much you can read about it, if you care.

Some very random examples:

The "badge of shame" was invented in medieval Baghdad, only later migrating to Europe

Life for Jews in Yemen: The Jews of Yemen were treated as pariah, third-class citizens who needed to be perennially reminded of their submission to the ruling faith…The Jews were considered to be impure, and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim’s food. They were obliged to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk on his left side, and to greet him first. They were forbidden to raise their voices in front of a Muslim. They could not build their houses higher than the Muslims’ or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering a Muslim quarter, a Jew had to take off his footgear and walk barefoot. No Jewish man was permitted to wear a turban or carry the Jambiyyah (dagger), which was worn universally by the free tribesmen of Yemen. If attacked with stones or fist by Islamic youth, a Jew was not allowed to defend himself. Further, the Jews were forced to wear sidelocks or peots. The wearing of such long and dangling peots “was originally a source of great shame for the Yemenites. It was decreed by the imams to distinguish the Jews from the Muslims”. More degrading and insulting decrees to the Jews were the Atarot (Headgear) and Latrine Decrees. The former was a seventeenth-century decree forbidding the Jews to wear a headcovering or turbans. The Latrine Decree was a nineteenth-century edict in which the Jews were forced to clean out public toilets and remove animal dung and carcasses from the streets. Another discriminatory edict was the Orphan Decree which gave the Zaydis the right to convert to Islam any child under the age of thirteen whose father is dead. Further, evidence by a Jew against a Muslim was invalid and a “Jew was forbidden to pass a Muslim to his right, and whoever did so, even unwittingly, could be beaten without trial; the Jews were forbidden to make their purchases before the Muslims had completed theirs; a Jew entering the house of an Arab or the office of an official was only allowed to sit down in the place where the shoes were removed” . Tudor Parfitt summarizes some of these laws in the following: [the Jews] were required not to insult Islam, never strike a Muslim, or to impede him in his path. They were not to assist each other in any activity against a Muslim…They were not to build new places of worship or repair existing one…They were not to pray too noisily or hold public religious processions. They were not to wink. They were not to proselytize. They were not to bear arms. They were required to dress in a distinctive fashion in order not to be mistaken for a member of the Muslim occupying forces. In other words dhimmis had all the times to behave themselves in an unostentatious and unthreatening manner, one appropriate to a defeated and humbled subject people. They were to avoid the slightest show of triumphalism and they were forbidden any activity that could lead to proselytization. Yemenite Jews were “excluded as it almost always…from affairs of state, and from the great institutions of the country”

1941 Farhud pogrom (Iraq)

1929 Hebron Massacre ("They cut off hands, they cut off fingers, they held heads over a stove, they gouged out eyes. A rabbi stood immobile, commending the souls of his Jews to God – they scalped him. They made off with his brains. On Mrs. Sokolov’s lap, one after the other, they sat six students from the yeshiva and, with her still alive, slit their throats. They mutilated the men. They shoved thirteen-year-old girls, mothers, and grandmothers into the blood and raped them in unison....")

1921 Jaffa Riots

1920 Nebi Musa Riots

1910 Shiraz Blood Libel (Iran) ("In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews: "…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Iranians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (the start of Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered")

1905-12 Jerusalem: repeated Arab mob attacks against Jews who dared to try to sit in chairs near the Western Wall (it was intolerable for Jews to be seen in comfort at a holy site)

1840 Damascus Blood Libel (Syria)

1839 Allahdad Pogrom (Iran)

1834 Hebron Massacre

1834 Looting of Safed

1800s Morocco - Jews were forbidden to wear shoes

1700 Jerusalem oppression / apartheid: ("Muslims are very hostile to Jews and inflict upon them vexations in the streets of the city… the common folk persecute the Jews, for we are forbidden to defend ourselves against the Turks or the Arabs. If an Arab strikes a Jew, he (the Jew) must appease him but dare not rebuke him, for fear that he may be struck even harder, which they (the Arabs) do without the slightest scruple...")

1679 Mawza Exile (Yemen)

1660 Destruction of Safed

1500s Iran: ("After the ascension of Shah ‘Abbas II the Jews of Isfahan faced a lot of persecution. Most communities were forced to convert to Islam. Furthermore those who refused to convert would have most of their inheritance taken away as the inheritance laws at the time allowed for those who converted to Shia Islam to inherit the property of non-Muslim family members. Some communities did not convert and were thus forced to wear a special badge to show that they were Jewish. The maltreatment of the Jews weakened their community ties and influence throughout the region. By 1889 there were only around four hundred Jewish families left in Isfahan and most very poor.... by the middle 20th century 80% of the Jews of Isfahan lived on the verge of poverty.")

There's so much more I really don't know where to start or where to end. Afghanistan revoked all Jewish citizenship in 1933. Turkey banned all Jewish names and held massive antisemitic pogroms in 1934. Iraq banned Hebrew schools and Hebrew names in 1936, pogroms throughout Libya 1945, Syria fired all Jewish government employees 1946. Tripoli pogrom 1785. Algiers 1805. Cairo 1844. Istanbul 1870. Safed 1517 and 1799. Jerusalem 1665 and 1720. Granada Massacre 1066. Fez Massacre 1033. How many Wiki links do you want, how many textbooks?

This is an old, old conflict, and the Americanized "colonizer / slave plantation" frame is off-topic.

[psychotrenny]

Pretending like any communist country had no faults is just as bad as Europeans acting like their country has no faults, you can only battle corruption by calling it out and I have a feeling that if Israel was somehow communist you'd be defending them and somehow excusing what they're doing to the Palestinians much like how you're excusing what China is doing to the Uyghurs

Thank you for providing an example of exactly what I was talking about. Now China isn't perfect (and I never claimed it was) and if you want to criticise it's mistakes and wrongdoings there's plenty to talk about both past and present. Just off the top of my head you could talk about the reflexive anti-Sovietism leading to attacks on fellow revolutionaries (i.e. Vietnam) and support for misguided or even counter-revolutionary movements (CPK in Cambodia, UNITA in Angola) or the excessive concessions to foreign capitalists (i.e. Foxconn) in the name of economic development that allowed these firms to exploit and abuse Chinese citizens. But what you can't talk about is the "Uyghur Genocide" because it's not a fucking thing that's happening. It's completely fucking made up by reactionary dipshits as a part of the USA's strategic "pivot to Asia". Like it's not as though China has perfectly handled the issue of Islamic Fundamentalist violence in the territory (i.e. forbidding certain items of clothing is clearly an unnecessarily oppressive and likely counter-productive tactic) but their focus on countering terrorism by changing the material conditions that led to radicalisation in the first place put the Chinese above any part of "The West" in this regard. And whatever you want to say about China's policy towards Xinjiang it's sure as fuck not "genocide"

Anyway plenty of people do in fact claim that Israel is some sort of communist and on this blog I have always expressed the view that this position is complete bullshit; "Labour Zionism" is a fucking joke of an ideology that only functions as a tool for class collaborations with the Settler Bourgeoisie granting their Proletariat concessions in exchange for support in the super-exploitation of the Indigenous working class. Like you can't just say "Oh I'd bet you'd fall for this" when I very clearly haven't

My point isn't that "any communist country has no faults". My point is that Left Anti-Communists don't want a good faith discussion of these faults as is proven by their obsession with faults that aren't even fucking real. Just like you are doing right now in fact. If you want to criticise people for being too soft on communist regimes then please do so over things that are actually happening and not completely fabricated by the most rabidly reactionary US propagandists. Thanks 👍

[daniel-nerd]

this is the perfect example of the difference between anti zionism and antisemitism.

this is antisemitism. this is inhumane, and these sort of behaviors will not be tolerated.

jews deserves a place to call home, and deserve to live where they lived their entire lives, most of these jews don’t even have anywhere else to go, oppressing israelis is not the answer, flipping the coin won’t do anything.

listen to anti zionist arabs, who live under israel-palestine. anti zionists who need to live through the rebellion, and independence of palestine. only people who believe in the destruction or exile of jews are antisemites, right wing extremists who believe in terror, torture, and violence.

WE ARE NOT ANTISEMITES, DON’T BRING US TO THE LEVEL OF THE FASCISTS.

[mossadspypigeon]

Honestly this is gonna be a tough convo to have but I think Jumblr has to reckon with how antisemitic Palestinians are. Of course Palestinians are not a monolith. But just as we cannot deny most Jews are Zionist or associated with Zionism, we cannot deny that there is a concerning trend among even the most educated Palestinians where they are pretty fucking antisemitic and the West validates it and encourages them to sink deeper. Edward Said is the obvious example. Now I am not expecting perfection from human beings. The issue arises when Edward Said and others are not even questioned about their antisemitism. How many chances do we give? For example, I can't remember who but a Palestinian woman in the American government had a Jewish friend who kept giving her the benefit of the doubt until she "tragically" had to cut ties because she kept getting more antisemitic by the second. The Jewish women still expressed sadness at losing a friend which I'm not judging. It's really sad how even as she acknowledged her ex friend's antisemitism, she still said things like "I'm not sure if this was her intention". We cannot baby Palestinians like this.

Another example is a professor at an Ivy League rn. She's a women's studies professor or teaches some courses on that subject or something like that. She has written so much amazing things about Muslim women. Guess what? Despite having a Jewish American mother, SHE STILL HATES JEWS!!!!! She proudly supports BDS. If you support such an org, you are scum. But that's the thing. I GIVE PALESTINIAN SCHOLARS THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM SUPPORT BDS AND SAY "HAMAS IS NOT BAD OR WRONG".

^^^^^

exactly.

can we all talk about vivian silver? she gave her life to helping palestinians and creating peace orgs and was literally ripped apart by them, mutilated and murdered, and it took 5 weeks to identify her body.

cure the jew hatred in palestinian society so this can stop.

[halalchampagnesocialist]

Ethan Klein is like a perfect example of how liberal zionism(or any kind of zionism for that matter) almost always ends up transforming into some form of Kahanism. The guy literally went from donating a large sum of cash to the PCRF in mid october 2023 to crashing out and constantly spreading IOF lies and klan level racism on a daily basis.

man that guy is the biggest loser. i swear half of his Zionism is just about spiting Hasan but yeah you’re not wrong either.

[st4rbwrry]

melissa barrera getting fired from scream for speaking up about the genocide towards gaza and noah schnapp praising zionism is the perfect example of why i say men never face consequences for their wrongdoings. there have been multiple men who’ve committed crimes, spoken disgustingly about certain topics and continued to keep their jobs. but let a woman speak her mind and she’s immediately shunned and stripped of her opportunities. you fired this woman bc she doesn’t support the mass slaughter of women, children, fathers, homes, etc? do you know the amount of deceased children i have seen on social media these past few weeks? it’s sickening. no one should have a “side” to pick when it comes to un-aliving human beings. no one should have the power to take someone’s life.

murder is murder. call it what it is. A GENOCIDE.

[old-school-butch]

What do they think Hamas wants? What do they think Israel is supposed to do? Do they seriously think Israel is supposed to be like sure here you go we are all going to leave Israel and you can have everything? Do they think that would bring about peace? I’m serious. Like really do they think there is anything Israel could do that would stop any of this? Do they think Israel should’ve done nothing and this situation would’ve just disappeared? Americans are the dumbest fucking people on the planet. Hamas wants compliance or death, that’s how terrorism works, that’s war.

Whoever is running the information warfare at Hamas is truly brilliant. The ideology of Islamists has been run through some kind of autotuner so it sounds like it came from a chapter in Pedagogy of the Oppressed and Western liberals are eating it up. While liberals are still catching up on which river and which sea the chant refers to, they still don't grasp that the end goal here is the elimination of the state of Israel entirely. And while 20% of Israelis are Arab Muslims, there are zero Jews in Gaza. The PR people are saying Zionist these days instead of Jews, so maybe it doesn't sound too bad when they say Kill All Zionists but that's just the English translation. Zionism is the creation of a Jewish state. Hamas will call it the 'Zionist entity' because they don't recognize it as a state. They don't recognize it because all states should be Muslim. Israel is occupying territory that should be Muslim. When they say 'end the occupation' it sounds like a call for liberation of an oppressed people, instead of the desire to destroy Israel, kill or expel the Jews and create a Muslim state in its place.

Yemen's Houthi rebels (who are currently attacking Israel) have a slogan "God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" and I think it says a lot that they take the time to double down on how much they hate Jews/Israel instead of a single 'Houthis are great!' thrown into their own slogan.

The Islamists have noted the 'anti-colonial' rhetoric in Western universities and capitalized on it by positioning Israel as a proxy for the West and thus a scapegoat for the West's sins of imperialism. It does rely on some very old anti-Semitic tricks - because Jews assimilate fairly well (because they don't have an evangelical aspect to the faith) they are both within a culture and othered from the culture - the perfect scapegoat. Many liberals shrugged when the Nazis marching in Charlottesville chanted "Jews will not replace us" but the suspicion that Jews control the media, capitalism, also socialism, Hollywood (and any other center of power you can imagine) runs very deep in Western cultural anxiety. Imagining Israel as a prowerful villian is all too easy when you're primed to believe that.

A wild example of this is how Westerners view Israel as a colonialist power rather than a gathering point for religious refugees. The reality that Jews originated from the land of JUDEA should not be hard to grasp, but is conveniently ignored. The fact that they've negotiated with colonial powers like Britain and the UN is viewed as a sign of political power, even though the main goal of those colonial powers was to prevent Jewish refugees from flooding their own countries. And the memory that the post WW2 boost in political heft came at the price of the Holocaust in Europe, seems to have been lost. The reality that most Israelis are Jewish refugees expelled from Muslim countries, is conveniently ignored. There are enough white faces and dual citizens in Israel for guilty Westerners to find a convenient scapegoat to do all that decolonizing and let themselves be destroyed for our sins. Not that anyone is thinking that hard about it, it just feels right, because it's safe and convenient to accept blame and then shift it to someone else - no matter how many land acknowledgements they crank out.

I guess Westerners think colonizing is something only white people do, and they are blissfully unaware of the size and scope of the Arab Islamic Empires of the past. And also apparently unaware that Islamists explicitly say they want to recreate that empire. Zionists want a single state - and I have a lot of issues with the idea of a religious state at all, but no one can accuse Jews of ever having or wanting to create an Empire. Israel might be criticized for not having a more liberal democractic state, but Hamas isn't even trying to create one. It wants a single Muslim state occupying their entire region, where Jews are killed or expelled and Islamists can consolidate regional power - that's their goal. But the slogan is 'end the occupation' which sounds way nicer than 'end the occupation of land of Israel by Jews so we can make an Islamic state in its place and kill all the Jews who don't run away fast enough.'

Maybe it's that most Westerners don't live in a theocracy, and have no sense of just how controlling and energetic theocratic societies can be, that they can't grasp the idea of global jihad and what that really means. "The Caliphate is the answer" is written in Arabic on protest signs, flying under the radar of English-speakers and certainly not seen as hate speech, but when people tell you they want to establish a global world order under Islamic rule, and are actively coordinating their efforts between states and regions - you should believe them. Moderation is apostasy, punishable by death. Anyone negotiating with Israel faces opposition from more radical Islamists ready to take their place. This is why Islamists spend most of their time attacking more moderate Islamic states and leaders. And by 'moderate' I mean the Taliban, which can barely set up a state in Afghanistan - because it means diverting resources from expanding and conquering other areas. A group called ISIS-K is trying to overturn the Taliban to bring back the glory days of the Khorason, an entity so sprawling it would involve invading China, Pakistan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan, which would undoubtedly spark a global conflict. That doesn't phase them. Hamas can barely control the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which rejects any peace accords with Israel including the Oslo accord. Dying as a martyr is the highest achivement - eternal war is not a problem. The Islamic world is failing to contain radical movements it created and supported for its own interests.

The Palestinians are a good microcosm of this. When Israel declared independence in 1948, the region was invaded by its neighbors. The war ended with Jordan occupying the West Bank and Egypt occupying Gaza and normally the people living there would have been absorbed into these countries, or created a self-governed state. Instead Palestinians, as a group, were created as a stateless people. They didn't want to form a state within the boundaries determined by the war, but instead remain as refugees from a war and promised the 'right of return' i.e. that Israel would be returned to them. Importantly, the war didn't have a declared end. It's still happening, which is how they are still refugees 75 years later. And they live in 'refugee camps', otherwise known as buildings and towns, but it's all temporary in this narrative. Does no one wonder why the pro-Palestinian rallies call for a ceasefire and not for peace? Peace is not desired, just a pause in fighting until they can regroup and try again.

A separate reality was created where the 1948 war is still happening, Israel is not real, it's a 'Zionist entity' occupying the land and that refugees includes everyone displaced by the 'ongoing' war, and all their descendants are refugees too because they have nowhere to live - because where they are living is just temporary. And ‘all they want is to go home’ (but not their current home for 3 generations, the home back in Israel ofc). In this world, they all have to right to live in the region that the zionist entity is occupying, where their duty is to establish a Muslim state. The purpose of this fiction is to create a perpetual problem for Israel, a stateless population whose entire existence is focused on them eventually overthrowing Israel. But it's had unexpected effects.

Palestinian refugees have been more than willing to bring violence to any country that has taken them in as immigrants. Their nationalists have a long list of assassinations of anyone who supports a peace treaty with Israel, including the King of Jordan, the former prime minister of Lebanon, Robert F Kennedy and more. They've also started a civil war in Jordan until they were expelled to Lebanon, where they hijacked a series of international flights and started a civil war there that lasted for 15 years. Palestinians living as refugees in Kuwait aided Saddam Hussein's invading army until they were expelled when his regime fell. These are the reasons none of Israel's neighbor's will accept any more Palestinian refugees, but the Islamist problem remains for any country in its path. What I have found most disturbing among feminists on Tumblr, however, is the complete wilful ignorance about Islamist ideology and its relationship to women. You think you’re ok with the Quran? Read it. There aren't many religions founded by a conqueror who wanted to rule the world. Read what it says about conquest, murder, torture, raping and enslaving non-Muslim women. Arab slave traders castrated men and bred female slaves who were kept as captive wives. Using sexual violence as a tool of war and as a reward for Islamic fighters is long documented and continues today. The birth rate in Gaza is about 5 children per woman and frequently exhorted to be higher. Why? Arafat said it most clearly ‘the womb of the Palestinian woman is the weapon that will defeat Israel.' Population and fertility are part of the political landscape and Islamist strategy. It's how Lebanon went from being a Christian majority country to a Muslim majority country today. There is no reason whatsoever that feminists - who have not shied away from criticizing the sexism of Christianity or Judaism - should mince words when it comes to criticizing Islam in the strongest possible terms. Islamists - who combine Islam with a goal for global dominance - should ring every alarm bell we have.

[kick-a-long]

My take on Attack on Titan is pretty conflicting. On one hand, as you said, it's classic Holocaust/WW2 inversion. I have a deep feeling that the creator Isayama took a basic knowledge of antisemitism (i.e. the armbands) and applied it to the story. My issue lies in the fact that he never once mentioned that antisemitism inspired his story (I've searched high and low and apparently he pointed to WW2 a few times but that's it...) and I find it very despicable to use Jews as inspiration and never mention us once (unless I missed something but idk). I can't shake off the feeling that he probably used his little knowledge about us and expanded on it using his own mind only to use more antisemitic tropes without even realizing. Now the guy's smart and I'm not trying to say he's dumb or infantalize him but gentiles are very ignorant of us, even when they learn about the Holocaust/WW2, they have a hard time understanding us and knowing about us tbh. I'm pretty confused also because an important point of the story is the Eldians being referred to as "the children of the devil" which is so specific to Jews but he never mentioned us ONCE when speaking about influences/inspirations so I have no clue where his knowledge of us lies. Which isn't a good thing.

Attack on Titan is perfect when it comes to showcasing antisemitism and it frustrates the fuck out of me because here you have the Eldians which are a very great depiction of Jews imo (he may not have mentioned us but it's so blatant that we are the inspiration, it's impossible to miss) and yet 1) it's most likely done on accident by some random gentile who never gave us credit and 2) writing choices/mistakes put it in antisemitic territory. The fact that we didn't create this is mind boggling.

I'm a huge fan of aot even with all its flaws and I actually wrote something insanely long pointing of the similarities of "Eldian oppression" with antisemitism and how Eldians are clearly an alternate version of us. I searched everywhere and somehow no one wrote anything making a (decent) comparison. People hate when real life stuff gets compared to fiction and I get it but the case here is that we are the main inspirations so I personally enjoy examining the similarities.

Now one of the issues I've seen be raised about Eldians clearly being Jews is that: Eldians used to rule the world, they colonized and oppressed everyone so that's the reason everyone hates them. This is obviously not good to pair with the fact that Jews are the inspiration here. I'm conflicted because Isayama's vague/weird writing here makes people believe this is the case but as someone who read the manga a million times, I believe it's supposed to be vague because you're supposed to question if this is even true. I think you're supposed to think "maybe this is false and everyone is lying and rewriting history to hate and oppress the Eldians who just scare them with their powers". There's also the fact that Eldia wasn't the only empire and the Marleyan empire (Marley is the main power house of the world) also did heinous things just like Eldia's accused of and I think this is supposed to get you to think real hard. Either way, it gets into antisemitic territory for sure. But in my paper I wrote, this mimics another feature of antisemitism: the rewriting of history which we have to deal with so they can justify oppressing and hating us and the intellectualization of antisemitism. I gave so many examples.

I think aot perfectly highlights the pure insanity of antisemitism honestly. It showcases how cartoonishly evil it is.

Off topic but this paper I did for fun made me extra frustrated because why are we held to such an impossible standard?! I've also studied other movements by minorities wanting to be liberated and to uplift themselves and just like Zionism, these movements have their good and bad and yet only Zionism gets all the criticism. It's so unfair wtf. I know Zionism has caused more harm in comparison (but those movements are not criticised at all, unless it's by a right winger..) and it deserves criticism for that but so did Communism (which is antisemitic and I call that shit out but I personally understand the reason for Communism's existence and respect that it's going to continue to exist). Once again we are the prototype and they're testing the waters of what's "socially acceptable" to say about minorities by using us as the test dummies!

Okay I'll stop now because I will just keep going haha

I feel similarly. i think i don't like labeling it as antisemitic because antisemitism is centered around jews and has an active and obsessive element that other bigorty doesn't. AoT has a total absence of jews but has used jewish narratives about antisemitism second and third hand to push Japanese nationalism. I guess it's hard for me because I don't consider jewish erasure to be antisemitism as I know it even if it's a big part of anti jewish bigotry. if that makes sense? it's not even intentional jewish erasure in my opinion because it treats antisemitism as a universal thing, which it isn't. i think they, like many people, think antisemitism started with ww2 and ended with it. also that it came out of thin air, that antisemites are good people who are mislead instead of intentionally spreading lies to justify the underlying prejudice ingrained in their culture. it gets the cause and effect backwards.

my reasons for thinking the japanese don't understand jews as separate from all europeans or americans or the shit jews face as being a historic recurring thing is that they are one of only a handful of countries that never had a sizable population of jews, muslims, or christians. and even if someone is buddist or atheist there they usually still follow folk religion traditions.

so it's definitely full of anti jewish bigotry but with no relationship to any established antisemitic theory.

[hellsbellschime]

Its really weird that people think being pro-Palestine in general means "antisemitism" when it's not. We're just against genocide. And the ones who are, are terrible people for that. But most are not. And it's also weird when people claim that the protests being done in and around college campuses are anti even though the vast majority of those organizing it are actually Jewish students.

The thing of it is, they don't. The reason why so many people are seeing antisemitism in the pro-Palestine movement is that a lot of people are repeating antisemitic tropes that have existed for thousands of years. FFS, a fuckton of people in the current "movement" are self-proclaimed anti-Zionists, and Zionism is a philosophy that Jewish people are entitled to self-determination, do you not think that's weird or telling at all? If it's not antisemitic then there's no reason to revolve it around Jewish people, Jewish ideas, and Jewish philosophies, and yet a lot of people's statements and actions are very focused on all things Jewish when they shouldn't be.

And it's interesting, in a lot of the instances where I've seen someone suffer consequences for "supporting Palestine" I've looked into it and that person did something that was blatantly antisemitic. And this is yet another perfect example of the gaslighting that the other anon was talking about, because of course not all pro-Palestine activists are antisemitic, but to act as if Jewish people who are concerned about the abrupt rise in antisemitism are imagining it and act as if it's all fine because you know some Jewish people protesting for Palestine is absurd.

[greenfiend]

So I guess, Gaten, Charlie, Finn, Maya, Joe, Natalia and Caleb won't get called out or "cancelled" for seeing and taking pics with known racist comedian Shane Gillis This fandom and it's double standards and blinders

I don’t know anything about Shane Gillis or the cast hanging out with him but there absolutely is a huge double standard.

Sad thing is, people who are still out here spreading hate towards Noah do.not.care.about.Palestinians. They may pretend to, but they don’t. They spread hate because it gives them dopamine and makes them feel better about themselves (temporarily). They also just care about how they are perceived by others online, thinking that joining the hate mob will make them appear more virtuous (it doesn’t).

People are also just lazy. I keep seeing people accusing Noah of things he never did. For example, the photo of him with the “Zionism is sexy” stickers in the background turned into him creating the stickers, him handing out the stickers, and him making that statement which none of those were true.

Could you argue that some of his actions/statements were in poor taste? Sure. But honestly, in the grand scheme of things, this whole controversy is far too overblown. I bet you, most of the people spreading hate towards him have also spread love to celebrities who have done far worse things. Far worse. But they aren’t the punching bag of the moment so it’s acceptable for them to like them.

But yeah… people have no room for critical thinking or nuance nowadays. No human is perfect, we all have done or said things that are in poor taste. We all have skeletons in our closets. Especially some of those haters too. In the future, some of them may become miniature celebrities themselves and experience their own “cancelation” due to their disgusting hateful words and lies they’ve uttered in the past. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[studentofetherium]

like yes, an Israeli choosing to go to jail is better than serving in the army, but for most of them, they're going off the assumption that they're never going to need to see live combat. it doesn't absolve them of being tools of zionist imperialism, but they're ultimately just people. the fact that if anything goes wrong, Israel can choose to kill them without recourse is awful. these people are tools of zionist imperialism, but they're treated as disposable tools. their lives are worthless, and no one deserves that. these individual people deserve better, to not be forced into military service and to not have their lives be treated as throwaway by their government

it's a perfect example of how zionism doesn't truly serve the jewish people. jewish lives are disposable to those in charge of it aides their war

[alexdswfan]

would u mind elaborating on what u thought of the no other land acceptance speech? i saw u mention mixed feelings so im curious

Hi!

Ahaha, thought it would be controversial! My mixed feelings come mostly from the Israeli co-director’s side (Yuval Abraham). I think the Palestinian co-director’s speech (Basel Adra) was perfect and poignant and exactly what we needed to hear in a place filled with Zionists. Will it change something to America’s plan in Gaza and Israel? Probably not, but at least his movie now received some visibility, so many more people will learn about the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and how cruel and horrifying it really is, and that’s a bonus. Just for making Israel seethe with its existence is precisely why this documentary is so important to be seen.

I think some people have already mentioned it, but Yuval has brought up the attacks on October 7 right after Basel stated his people should stop being oppressed by Israel, which alludes in a way to seeing Israeli suffering as equal to Palestinian suffering, which shouldn’t be seen as comparable at all. Also, I don’t think he should’ve brought up the attacks on October 7 at all because the movie they made has nothing to do with Hamas nor October 7. It’s about the brutal Israeli military occupation that is going on in the West Bank, and they filmed that way before October 7 even happened. So to bring Israeli-settler suffering when showcasing a movie about Palestinian oppression was not the best move, and it contradicted his side of the speech when he also wished for Palestinians to be seen as equals to Israelis. I appreciated him saying that Israel needs to see Palestinians as people of equal rights to Israelis, which is something Israel isn’t doing and I’m glad he called out his country on that. Another thing I appreciated from him is calling out America’s foreign policies that enable Israel’s genocide in Gaza and the West Bank by saying that America blocks the path to a different political solution. And he is absolutely right when he stated that Israelis can only be safe if Palestinians are safe and free on their own land, even if some people disliked his framing.

Now, before people come at me and say that Yuval did enough, I want to point out that he’s been very vocal in denouncing the apartheid regime in Israel, taking himself as an example of how he was treated differently from Basel at checkpoints due to their different car plates (Israelis and Palestinians have different car plates and the army will discriminate based on that), and I appreciate that he recognizes the privilege he has over his Palestinian counterpart. But I do believe he will have to fundamentally dissociate from Zionism, even the liberal kind, if he truly believes Palestinian rights are as important as Israeli rights, which should be seen as the norm, and yet it’s not. By equating Israeli suffering to Palestinian suffering when he brought up the attacks on October 7, Yuval is still unwilling to completely dissociate from the Israeli narrative that needs to acknowledge Israeli suffering alongside Palestinian liberation. That’s why I had mixed feelings regarding his side of the speech despite everything else he said that was valid. But I think Yuval is very close to crossing that line. He might not cross it now because he stated he lost people he knew in the October 7 attacks and he’s still affected by the events, which is totally understandable and valid. But he will eventually have to cross that line at some point in time.

I also do want to add that I learned Yuval did engage in the narrative that Hamas combatants sexually abused Israeli civilians during October 7 when there is no substantial evidence of that claim. As I stated, I can understand why he engaged with such claim as it affected him personally, however, it’s important to call him out on it despite the other things he has done for Palestinians. I think both sentiments towards him can co-exist on that matter. To recognize that he is a liberal Zionist that is better than other liberal Zionists, but to still criticize him for remaining one. And if what he claims is true, that he cares about Palestinian rights and about Basel, then he must let go of Zionism entirely. A reformed vision of Zionism will never be compatible with Palestinian rights. It’s been 76 years by now, and that “good” version of Zionism has never been seen. I think liberal Zionists are naive and downright ignorant at this point if they think that Israel can be kinder to Palestinians after everything Israel has done in Gaza and the West Bank after October 7, from bombing hospitals to targeting health workers to sniping children in the head and the chest, from stating that “every Palestinian in Gaza should be considered as a terrorist”. That idealism is gone. The only way forward for Israel is to let go of Zionism. It’s a harsh truth, I’m aware, but it’s the Only way.

I’m not saying it will be easy for him nor for Israelis in general to let go of Zionism, but if they truly care about Palestinian rights, they will have to go that extra mile. Zionism and Palestinian rights are incompatible because Zionism is built on Palestinian oppression. And even liberal Zionism doesn’t really work, because these Zionists cling to both. They acknowledge Palestinian oppression and wish for Palestinian rights but they also want a Jewish colonial state on stolen land. Liberal Zionists must understand they can’t have both because they are fundamentally incompatible. That’s why there needs to be a fundamental shift in Israel’s mindset about how they perceive not only Palestinians but Zionism as well in order for Palestinians to truly be free. And before people come at me that what I said is controversial, Zionism is not Judaism. You all keep saying it, so act on it. Don’t simply say it to call Palestinians antisemitic when they call Israelis Jews. Dissociation from Zionism doesn’t make any Jewish person less Jewish. And before people come at me that Zionism used to have many forms and therefore only Jewish people can define the version of Zionism that suits them (I watched a 4 hour video on that), the current version that is being implemented right now is the fascist version. The version that oppresses and murders Palestinian people and believes Israelis are superior to Palestinians. Nothing justifies clinging to that ideology anymore, not identity, not past trauma, nothing.

Another point that people mentioned on which I agree is that this movie is really just Basel’s movie. It’s about his life, his story, his community, so to have the validation of an Israeli journalist in his work, no matter how well-intentioned, simply for his work to be taken seriously or to attain world recognition, does play again in how Palestinian voices only matter to the Western world if Israeli or Jewish voices validate what Palestinians say. There’s definitely some double-standard here, and again, proof that Palestinian people are seen as lesser, as if people don’t trust Palestinians enough to show their lived experiences or else it risks being labelled “biased” or “antisemitic”. It somehow always needs to be “reviewed” by an Israeli person or Jewish person, no matter how anti-Zionist that person may be. So when Yuval said in his speech “together, our voices are stronger”, well it actually feels more like “thank you for approving this work, meaning it’s ok for masses to consume now that we know it’s totally objective because an Israeli said so.” I’ve seen people blame Yuval for this. I’m personally not going to, because that’s how the system works. Let’s be real: no one would’ve paid attention to this movie if an Israeli team hadn’t been involved with it, which is unfortunate. But at least Yuval and his Israeli team could use their privilege to push this movie to more widespread audiences where even Israel now is confronted with it due to the Oscars’ prestige.

I’m aware this entire post is controversial, so please unfollow me right now or block me if you disagree with everything I’ve stated. I’ve talked to enough Zionists to know they’re not worth my time and they’re all islamophobic and think all Arabs are terrorists, so I really don’t need to see that (someone even had the audacity to ask me why I hang around terrorists when I stated I have Lebanese friends whose families have been impacted by Israel’s bombings in Lebanon, so yeah. Don’t even interact.)

Overall, I think we should all concentrate on this documentary’s historic win and mostly on Basel’s speech calling for an end of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The main message of the acceptance speech remained heard and understood. It was definitely the best win of the night. I also need to watch this documentary, I haven’t got the chance yet but I’ve watched the podcast between the two co-directors and it’s incredibly insightful on the diametrically opposed experiences they both lived in order to film this movie. After this podcast, I don’t really know how people can still say there’s no apartheid in Israel. I’ll link it if ever people are interested in watching it.

Sorry, this post was long, but I think it was important to talk about these things no matter how one might try to avoid politics, especially here on Tumblr, and I get that, but I think it’s important to not remain silent on this issue in a world filled with apathy and indifference. It’s important to show Palestinians our solidarity no matter where we come from, no matter how suppressed that solidarity may be by mainstream narratives in our current times.

But yeah, hope it answered your question and thanks for the ask! (Y’all are checking my reblogs you were quick with this one ngl hahaha)

Edit: I edited certain parts of this post because new things came up about Yuval and I felt like I had to mention them too. The overall message of this post remains untouched though.

[forlix]

what do you think about skz on gma? i just saw it and seeing channie praise charlie just made my heart sink.

aside from being a zionist, he’s also very much a misogynist and a rape apologist. also the way he talked about selena many years ago is just so icky to me.

so hearing channie praise him like that when i really believed that channie was a good example of what more men should be like. i’m just very disappointed. idk i had this hope that the boys just didn’t know? or didn’t like working with him? hearing them praise him and looking at them taking selfies is just so devastating.

also! please don’t ever stop talking about skz and palestine. it’s very important and im glad you’re speaking up about it and it’s comforting to know you share my opinion. i was really disappointed in the fans on the show and idk :((

to be so very honest, i think nothing about skz on gma 😀 i told someone earlier today that they are simply not my business right now. i haven’t watched or heard anything from gma and i don’t plan to change that

if it does help at all though, angel, and this certainly helped sahar and i to learn a few days ago, the collab was planned and recorded when the boys were in the u.s. for the global citizen festival last september, according to this interview (i’m assuming that’s when they took their pictures with him too). so the song was planned far, far ahead of time, and they couldn’t have known at the time that puth would come to endorse genocide.

obviously that doesn’t change everything because puth is still a shit enough person as is even without the zionism + skz have posted pictures with puth and the ex-idf producer, and now. as you stated, offered puth complimentary words on national television. but i did find a few scraps of hope in 1) the collab being planned before last october and 2) the way the boys had literally nothing positive to say about puth in the interview despite it being the perfect opportunity to do so, as compared to the glowing praise they’ve showered previous collaborators like lisa and tiger jk with. my copium thought process is that there was more of an expectation to exchange niceties with puth on gma because of it being a talk show, but the interview, where they talk solely about the song itself and the work skz put into it, is closer to their true feelings.

your devastation is so fucking valid baby :( i think i’ve also been especially disappointed in chan because he’s always been so good at communicating to stays that he sees us and he cares for us. i do believe he’s a good person; i believe that about all of them. but witnessing the way they’ve gone about all of this has been so painful to say the least. (and don’t even get me started on the fucking fans. this collab has brought out the worst of the worst in this community. there’s only so much disappointment to go around 😭)

rest assured i will never stop talking about palestine 🤍 thank you for sharing your thoughts with me and just know that so many people share the same opinion as us. take care of yourself darling

[saintlaurentproblems]

I lowkey think Niall wanted to bang Olivia Rodrigo during 2021. I know you can say he was a fan and such but idc. He gave off im down if ur down vibes lol. And Miley Cyrus deffo wanted to fuvk Harry in 2013, she said he was her vibe. They really make sense cause they are two rock stars.

Olivia gives me mean girl vibes. Her friend Cameron and her dad were shading Sabrina during 2021. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AEXIn1zeYGk

Her fans were dragging Sabrina for making Skin and calling Sabrina the mean girl for standing up against her fans AND Olivia. I do believe the energy you put out there is the energy you receive and it shows now with Sabrinas success. Olivia was being envious of Sabrinas beauty and personalty. People calling Sabrina a flop and now 2024 is her year. Sabrina did not bitch and moan about Olivia, she fr locked in during her big L (and I do believe it shook her-this younger girl swooped in and took a bunch of a Grammys home on her first album...like I know that hurt lmao).

Justin Bieber is an asshole to fans. I dont know why he still has fans and I thought we all agreed to leave him in 2015. Justin acts like we put a gun to his head and forced him to be famous. Just cause you hate your life doesnt mean the fans have to. Giving people the stink eye when they ask for photos. Just ignore them but he spends more energy to be mean. Even last year he was acting weird to fans, https://www.tiktok.com/@noahglenncarter/video/7238756012759452971?lang=en Bro thinks hes the main character 24/7. Relax bro this isnt about you. People are recording cause this a public celeb event. Just stay your ass home. He is stuck in time and thinks we are in 2016 wtf. Another example: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/did-justin-bieber-really-call-a-fan-a-beached-whale-in-australia/article15855402/

Harry Styles gotta be the smartest male singer in terms of image. Besides the whole zionism claims (which we know he supports). There is no slip up..ever. Its so impressive like you will never catch him lacking. Being quiet really takes you so many places.

Selena Gomez is only fucking Benny Blanco cause her looks fell off...and he is associated with JB. You really think 2015 Selena would date Benny? She wouldn't even date Charlie Puth and he is easy on the eyes. People calling her looks nowadays plastic surgery is so sad. Her face was perfect before lupus and its the moon face from her steroid medications that fucked her looks up. People who went though the same: https://www.reddit.com/r/kidneydisease/comments/14x28ix/before_and_after_prednisone/ This why her body is shaped like an apple now: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-side-effects-of-prednisone https://prednisonepharmacist.com/prednisone-parables/prednisone-parables/ Thats why sometimes her face looks lopsided or looks like she got fillers in her cheeks.

Okay this was A LOT to read.

1. I don’t think Niall wanted to necessarily fuck Olivia but I think he wanted some of her hype and appeal to her demo. Niall had a smart team.

2. I don’t really agree.

3. Hmmm I think the Olivia and Sabrina beef is complicated. And it was smart to lean into it for press and clicks. Imagine if Joshua didn’t lean into the Jesus brand and playing to the next pop boy. We could actually have some interesting content now. I do hope we get an Olivia and Sabrina collab.

4. Yes I’ve heard Justin is so rude to fans. Especially during his peak douchebag years 2015ish. He apparently kicked a girl out of his Uber in the middle of a highway. I think he has mellowed out now. I just don’t think he is good at handle stress. I have way more compassion for him now tho.

5. Harry’s team is so polished. And he is smart to actually listen to him. Idk who ever gave him advice during 1D deserves an award or something. He gives me a pretentious vibe tho. Almost like he has to put on this image to be taken seriously as an artist. He seems inauthentic most of the time.

6. Selena has dated hot and successful men who have treated her like shit. So if dating Bennie is what makes her happy then good for her! And yes she has a round face so when she puts on weight or swells from her meds it really shows in her face. She’s still stunning.

[gayhenrycreel]

jesus christ it sucks to have to carefully read every post about palestine to check for american antisemitism, and check posts (note, this is only posts made by gentiles as far as ive seen) on this antisemitism for american islamophobia.

if you're wondering why i dont reblog many posts about palestine, its because they either have zero sources and are just screenshots from twitter (and yes, some twitter account you only know of from screenshots is not a reliable source), or are full of (hopefully unintended) nazi dogwhistles.

you need to learn these dogwhistles. dont just reblog posts about them. actually memorize them, study examples of them, train your brain to recognise them as efficiently as you do a swastika.

trust me, you can train your brain to immediately set off the alarms if you recognise one.

ive trained myself to recognise a lot of dogwhistles, not all of them of course, because theres so many, but thats why its a continuous effort.

this link is a wiki that contains a list of alt right dogwhistles on another page too.

okay, before you set off the fire alarm, read this post first:

this link does discuss extreme antizionism.

i will say first that antizionism AND zionism can both be antisemitic (see; christian zionism and the second coming of christ), but they are not always.

I AM NOT SAYING ANTIZIONISM IS BAD.

i consider myself antizionist. im an anarchist, how could i possibly support a state?

what i am saying is that those who are already antisemitic are using antizionism as an excuse for antisemitism. this can and does occur on the left. leftwing conspiracy theories do exist (some are actually the same as rightwing ones. you think the rich are collaborating together do you? who are those rich people? cause it certainly isnt the billionares who have no reason at all to like each other. whos controlling western media? is it the west? nah it must be that really small country thats basically owned by america, the westernest west to ever west.).

this applies to you.

every single human being carries the antisemitism we learned from society. i am not exempt. you are not exempt.

you may genuinely believe that you are not an antisemite. you hate hitler, right?

but you likely still think big noses are ugly. you think that the trope of a hook nosed greedy trader is just about elon musk dont you?

do you feel threatened by the use of hebrew? i did until just last year.

in western society, its rare for someone to have multiple native languages. you speak english. you hear someone speak words you dont understand. your immediate reaction is to wonder if they are up to something. talking shit about you? maybe even plotting terrorism?

of course you feel threatened by the use of other languages, youve been trained to think its suspicious.

train yourself to just not care when someone casually speaks hebrew, or arabic, or navajo in your proximity. if you dont care when people speak english, you shouldn't care when people speak another language. your not trying to eavesdrop right?

this subtle bigotry is why you are probably antisemitic, even if you are a perfect little leftist.

i want to talk about the blood libel being spouted by way to many leftists.

shockingly few people actually know what blood libel means.

basically, its a 1000 year old conspiracy theory claimng that jewish people steal and eat christian babies. this is all over media. did you see the new doctor who special? it was horrible.

in media this is often tied with goblins, which are historically (and often continue to be) portrayed as an antisemitic stereotype. SURELY YOU CAN RECOGNISE THAT BIG NOSED GREEDY GOBLINS CONTROLLING THE ECONOMY IS ANTISEMITIC.

okay, disclaimer, children are dying in gaza. israel is killing them.

but dont act like this is the only thing happening. they are not actively sending soldiers out to kill children specifically. this is equally affecting adults.

dont believe me that blood libel is being applied?

i saw some tumblr users joking about how the idf is kidnapping children and eating them. i went to their blogs to block them, expecting to see 88 everywhere (88 is code for hh, or hail hitler, btw), but no THEY WERE ALL "ANTIZIONIST" LEFTISTS WITH ACAB IN THEIR BIOS. those jokes are bad for everyone, its blood libel and making fun of actual victims of genocide.

sorry, im just... pissed off that my mutuals will reblog something about how using this as an excuse for antisemitism is bad, but still reblog posts full of dogwhistles.

a mutual of a mutual even reblogged a post claiming that antisemitism has not increased and that its a lie. i wont block you, ive seen your better reblogs, and it only happened once, but i urge you to properly read what you reblog.

i dont blame anyone for not knowing. ive had things to learn too. but please, stop reblogging globalist conspiracy theories.

as i write this its 4:20 sorry you may continue reading.

im not trying to be a dick. i dont blame you. i blame society. and this is not a you thing either.

its also a me thing.

its an everyone thing.

i also hate being challenged (i once punched a teacher for being wrong about the sun).

being challenged is how we learn.

ive also reblogged posts i really should not have reblogged.

i was ignorant. it will undoubtedly happen again.

unlearning bigotry is a lifelong commitment.

oh my god i just remembered how 8 year old me believed in phrenology.

i really hold nothing against you.

remember how most queer people were homophobic before The Realization?

we as a society need to go through that process of acceptance. you will never get everything right. none of us will.

what matters is trying

[autolenaphilia]

Selling tumblr users on ethnonationalism: an example

The screenshotted post above is the perfect example of how seemingly progressive language is used to sell ethnonationalism in the form of "ethnopluralism" which I've talked about before. This is a bog standard "the evil queer commies are trying to eradicate our vital religious and ethnic traditional identities" post.

And this is cloaked in pseudo-progressive language that compares socialist internationalism and its "desire for a non-exploitative, international socialist society" to imperialism and nazism. The ethnopluralist principle of "the right to difference",that “every culture has the right to preserve their own unique culture and tradition from the onslaught of global capitalist culture" is the underlying ideology of this post. And that is rebranded ethnonationalism.

And if you think i'm just being paranoid about this being nationalist nonsense, you can actually check their blog and find out from their pinned post that they are a zionist, and you know, zionism is a form of ethnonationalism.