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[mclwcc]

okay so I saw you talking about cognitive functions in the tags of a lando post and I am SO HERE FOR IT if you feel like sharing your F1 MBTI thoughts... two separate interests coming together 👀

(even people who talk about MBTI are usually wrong/boring because they're going off of the test letters and not the functions! tell me about Lando's Ti!?)

hi!! your ask finds me at a perfect time bc i recently fell back into the mbti rabbithole and spent a feverish late night a couple days ago writing a document on lando's type....

i'm not sure exactly which post u saw bc i think i mentioned Ti on multiple? but essentially i've been documenting lando's dom Ti for years now bc he was actually v hard to type so it was v satisfactory to finally figure it out & see it demonstrated again and again

i think it's pretty clear if you're going by the functions that lando is an ixxp - his independence, his deep desire to be understood for who he actually is, insistence on honesty at the expense of everything else, outspokenness (or as i call it, foot-in-mouth syndrome), contrarian streak, etc., all point to the fact that he leads with an introverted judging function. but it was actually difficult at first to figure out which one, out of Fi and Ti. i guess lando just vibes like an Fi user, which is why pdb (useless evil website) universally types him as an Fi user (they actually type him as an enfp which is. silly silly). but over time it's become more and more obvious to me that he's actually a Ti dom

i think nowadays it makes a lot more sense than when i started typing him back in 2020-2021, because he's made his doggedly-realist / argumentative / pedantic nature a lot more visible than when he was put in the silly goofy clown-rookie-baby box back then. u can generally spot his Ti (if you're looking for it) in pretty much all his answers to interview questions. whenever he rambles or elaborates on anything it's very rarely about his personal feelings on a situation, and very often overexplaining and overclarifying logical processes / his own reasonings / his understanding of why something happened. when he's asked when he first decided he wanted to go into f1, he doesn't elaborate at all on any strong 'feeling' that he had to do it, or self-belief (of which he says he didn't have much), or anything of the sort; instead, he explains why at 13-14, because you're moving into single seaters, and getting into gcse age at school, and have to commit to missing a lot more time from school, the combination of factors makes it the obvious age to make a proper decision about whether to actually stick to the f1 goal. it was actually so obvious in the little post-race summaries on the mclaren app when he used to be paired with daniel, because daniel would inevitably open with his own feelings on the race / sessions / country they were in, while lando kept it mostly factual all the way through

anyways. short list of Ti things lando does that make me smile: 1. pedantic correcting of questions / spotting hidden premises behind questions / specifying and clarifying questions; i think maybe the post you saw me reblog was the one where he answers google autocomplete questions, and he's asked if he can sing, to which he replies "i mean i can sing, anyone can sing, but can i sing well? no". another recent interview where he does it a lot is this 'hot or not' interview he did a couple weeks ago, where he clarifies almost every single prompt and points out so many caveats that even the ppl in the comments notice. this is not broad strokes 'efficiency and usefulness' Te. it's the endlessly detailed and exception-riddled labyrinths of Ti logic

2. being a general menace because he refuses to compromise on what he sees as the 'truth', even if it's not appropriate / polite. like when he insisted in multiple interviews that he had no sympathy for daniel, or the fantastically pessimistic early 2022 interviews ("well, the only way is up, lando" "no it’s - no. the only way is not up, for us it can also be down")

3. gaming the system on so many mclaren games / challenges because he figures out how to cheat the game instead of actually using any general knowledge (he does this in the estrella galicia quiz with carlos where he figures out multiple questions based exclusively on the game itself rather than actually knowing the answers) (also does this in the naomi schiff gulf quiz, where he clocks that he just needs to be closer to the real number than naomi, so he only goes one up or down) (also does this in any true or false game ever, especially truth or phish with daniel)

4. driving max fewtrell up the wall by engaging in stupid arguments that involve building a jenga tower of logic based off a single premise (like when he used 'you're only as good as your last game' to argue that he is a better golfer than max based on a single game where he won) (or insisted that a hot choc mix can't expire because it's a powder). he's wrong in both of these arguments, and he knows he's wrong - he's doing it to rile max up, because he knows max (who i believe is an Fi/Te user) cannot stand it. his comfortability manipulating logic / being able to trace the logical steps from a premise to a conclusion / focusing on the building blocks on logic rather than the accuracy of its result matches (my understanding of) high Ti

anyways, the dom Ti becomes extremely obvious once u identify his Fe, which is soooo much easier to spot. the way i generally identify the fourth function is by trying to see what function the person has anxiety about / wants to be better at / has identified as an area of growth especially as an adult. and eeeevery time lando talks about wanting to improve (not in the context of racing), it's about social impact. it's either speaking out about mental health, or trying to be a more collaborative teammate, or learning to communicate more clearly so his mum won't see headlines that paint him as a bad guy, or even just calling his friends more often. his relationship w the team is a source of constant anxiety but also fulfilment for him, where he wants so desperately to make them proud & speaks often abt how uncomfortable he feels that he has so many people relying on him. he says having to speak to the entire factory (1000+ people) brings him more anxiety than race day

anyways i personally type lando as an istp, which sounds kind of unrealistic if i don't motivate it bc the istp stereotype is so far removed from lando's personality - lando isn't quiet, or stoic, or unemotional, or particularly macho (compared to his racing peers). but as i am also a Ti dom who also happens to be very social / enjoy partying / cry easily, i feel like it's a bit easier for me to spot the real Ti through the fog

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[nexyra]

Just wanted to pass by to tell you that I loved your analysis of Neuvillette's type on PDB! Full disclosure, my opinion is subject to intense bias since I'm an ISTP myself (~90% certainty) however I hope this is at least some validation for your part. It's amusing since his behaviors are significantly different from mine, and yet his words all 'make sense', for lack of a better word. Contrast to Wriothesley, who elicits a 'well he's right, buuuut...' feeling. Difficult to describe in 500 charas.

Hello kind stranger ! This was a very unexpected ask i'll say, even though I suppose my username IS exactly the same on PDB as it is here, making me quite easy to find in practice haha

I'm really happy my comment made sense to you ! Even now, I still firmly believe everything I wrote, and particularly that Neuvillette is a high Ti user. I don't know if you've read it, but I think there's another very good example of his Ti in his character story 5; when he describes his opinion on constellation and "fate"

One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him. After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings. Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm," and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate."

I think this is another good example that, at the end of the day, Neuvillette's thinking process is closer to Ti than it is to Te. There is a lot of "If Y, then logically following from this premise we can conclude X" when we're actually given the opportunity to delve into his mind. Pierce made the distinction between Ti & Te this way:

→ « Introverted Thinking — judgement based on what is subjectively denoted; i.e. a priori analysis; e.g. “If you accept my definition of 'murderer', then you must conclude with me that Colonel Mustard is one.” »

→ Extraverted Thinking — judgement based on what is objectively denoted; i.e. empirical science; e.g. “We all see the evidence (bloody hands, scene of the crime, etc.) therefore, we must all conclude that Colonel Mustard is Mr. Body's murderer.”

And I think that if we look at how Neuvillette thinks "for himself", beyond his role of judge where he is supposed to follow the laws, he really does fit the former more. Another example I developed somewhere else on his page that even Vautrain's trial shows this tendency imo ! Forgive me for this copy-past and ramble haha, this was in answer to someone asking how exactly Neuvillette could be "impartial" but have a subjective function as dominant, & my answer went like this:

This impartiality & "objectivity" while being subjective is further shown in his story quest. Despite Vautrain being one of the people he is closest to, he does not treat him differently from others in the court. but his judgment is still subjective, as evidenced by the ease with which he considers "different kinds of justice" during the trial. Te users, due to their "inherent" objectivity, often think that everyone with the same information should come to the same objective conclusion, while Ji users do not. Pierce described… Te : “We all see the evidence (bloody hands, scene of the crime, etc.) therefore, we must all conclude that Colonel Mustard is Mr. Body's murderer.” Ti : “If you accept my definition of 'murderer', then you must conclude with me that Colonel Mustard is one.” The way Neuvillette approaches that trial shows that for him, laws are simply a "definition", a logical premise from which a logical conclusion follow in the context of a trial.

Neuvillette: I acknowledge your arguments. Vautrin, your revenge could be seen as a form of justice. Neuvillette: I understand your decision. Which is why I cannot help but feel regret… and even grief about the judgment I must now impose. Neuvillette: However, personal justice does not equate to justice as defined by the law. To execute your plan for revenge, you abused your authority and conducted informal executions. Your actions have thus violated the law. Neuvillette: Therefore, you will be declared… guilty.

Neuvillette personally understands Vautrain's actions, and even "agrees" that depending on your definition of justice, his actions can be seen as just and right. However as the chief's justice, his job is to follow the established laws. And the way he describes that decision is how we can see the use of Ti despite his "following of the laws". Because the way it describes it pretty much echoes the colonel Mustard example. -> Personal justice does not equate justice as defined by the law. If we can agree that this court judges whether actions are just or not depending on whether they follow the law, then we can see that your actions have violated it. This makes Vautrain, according to the law, guilty. This is basically what Neuvillette says, in subtext. And he stays impartial by holding strong to these kind of decisions despite personal feelings on the matter. It's his job, so he follows the rules of his job. What he personally thinks and how he takes decision outside of it though is a whole other matter.

I feel like Genshin has become much less stereotypical & much more interesting in his character writing as of late so Neuvillette is very dear to my heart on that subject ! And he's, as you implied, a very good reminder that MBTI is first and foremost a system that deals with COGNITION and not behaviour. Thus it is how a character thinks, and not its actions, that should be examined to determine his MBTI type. Thank you again for taking the time to tell me here what you thought of my argument, it was unexpected but very much welcome <3 Hope these additions also make sense to you !

[utsugi-ren]

Typology Ask Game

Making this for fun! Pretty much a get to know [blank] game but specifically for typology! Feel free to use for yourself or charas, but this is mainly oriented as a get to know the blog owner type deal :P

What's ur/ur charas typology (feel free to specify which typology u meant, or if u'd prefer don't and have the person list their whole thing LoL)

How did u figure out your/ur charas typology (again, feel free to specify!)

Favorite typology system (eg jungian, mbti, socionics, enneagram, etc etc etc)

Easiest system for you to type yourself in

Easiest system for you to type others in

What do u think is the best way to type yourself (eg self identification, tests, questionarres etcx3)

do u think any fictional character shares ur typology (feel free to usd PDB to find this out LoL or u could headcanon a chara with similar typology)

How long have u been into typology?

Do u have a typology headcanon for X ? (This is open ended, so answer however u want, eg u can answer how the charafter feels about typology, what u think the charas typology is, etcx4)

Any niche topologies u wanna introduce to people

How u started getting into typology

Worst consensus u've seen on pdb (if u use it)

Wosrt mischaracterization of a type/function you've seen

Rate the cognitive functions on how well u use each of em

Rate the enneagram types by how much u use each of em (feel free to use subtypesas well but thay might overcomplicate it LoL)

Biggest red flag types (for fun not for serious LoL)

Would u/ur chara be considered a "stereotypical" depiction of your type

I can't think of any more, feel free to reblog to add ur own questions :3 tried not to add anything "controversial" and I'd prefer not to add questions like that here as well (this includes questions like "do u believe in contradictions" or other stuff that's heavily

[taecnoal]

I saw the ship bingo! Looks super fun. What about one for Kaeya/Albedo?

KAEBEDO: I honestly really really really like the concept of this ship! Both of them (kind of) are not from. Mond and also are not all the way human (kind of) so i find it super fucking interesting. Also like the aesthetics of this ship just *chefs kiss* i love it. I think about this ship like 2 times a week.

[tenjikubaby]

"The sound of their voice is like the inside of Montblanc" 😂😂

Why is that so freaking accurate of Ran? He did say something just as silly during the character booklet information when he was getting his hair done. Also, I'm confident his mbti is esfp, not istj. (Personality database is not a reliable source unfortunately, almost all characters are mistyped)

Anyways, your fic was rad, it was awesome!

Hello! I know right? Ran, you need poetry class fr 😭 Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed reading the headcanons!!

I just checked PDB and Ran’s an ESTJ again lol. I agree that PDB isn't always reliable. You even see people arguing in the comments under many characters’ pages. Still, there seems to be some typers on that site that really know their stuff! Sometimes, after consuming a piece of media and typing a character in my head, I go to check PDB and see that they’re typed... differently from what I initially thought. This is probably because I try typing based off my limited knowledge of cognitive functions while PDB people not only have superior knowledge of cognitive functions, but pair MBTI and Enneagram together as well. Enneagram adds a whole new dimension to an MBTI type.

I always read the comments though and people often make some good arguments for their votes. Advice to people reading this: when looking at PDB, don’t only look at the character’s voted type. Read the commenters’ arguments as well, then try to figure it out by yourself using cognitive functions if you can! 

I would mostly trust PDB with typings of main characters. Side characters are where PDB gets unreliable. Last time I checked it, Rindou was typed as INTP! (I think he's an ESTP. He just screams “Se user” to me?). It's perfectly understandable to get the Haitanis’ types wrong since they don't appear as much as the Toman guys. Even now, there’s still so much we don’t know about them. That said, I can see why people type Ran as ISTJ/ESTJ. I also think his type may be either of those two but I’m favoring ISTJ. To me, Ran seems to be an ISTJ 8w9, so he’s not the type of person that normally comes to mind when someone pictures an ISTJ. 

I see people say ISTP too which is also something to consider? I’d love to hear why you think he’s an ESFP though!  

[quokkacore]

hihi! for the ask game: what was THE scene for ‘please don’t bite’? it’s still one of the best fics i’ve read on here btw <33

AAAHHH bdjsjdk thank you :') to be honest, the EXACT scene didn't make it into the story, but the closest thing to it is the scene in the hallway, where lucas is very clearly going into rut and he's acting really jumpy and weird.

the ORIGINAL idea for the scene i scrapped because 1) i had imagined it happening in the kitchen which would lead to them having sex on the kitchen floor and didn't seem very romantic... or clean and 2) i had originally considered the dub con element a LOT more..... dubious. think y/n on her back, on the floor, crawling away from lucas very slowly as to not make any sudden movements, and lucas prowling towards her, kind of like that one scene in zootopia? i sound like such a furry im sorry

then she hits a cabinet and gets cornered by him and BAM they have sex

i wasn't sure how people would feel about it, regardless of warnings. so i decided to change it to the hallway scene :D

[animearchetypes]

Are you active on other social medias?

I am sometimes active on 2 other social network sites. However, Tumblr is the only popular social media I use. I don’t use Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or anything like that.

The 2nd social media I’m quite active on is called Personality Database, though I’m mainly active in the Anime Archetypes category for obvious reasons. I only signed up to the network recently and already, PDB is what I use second to Tumblr. It’s a wonderful community, and because of that I’m learning more about cognitive functions and other archetypes each day.

The 3rd is Fandom; The Dere Types Wiki and the Yandere Wiki. I mainly comment on The Dere Types Wiki and I sometimes create & edit pages on the Yandere Wiki.

[butonsilyo]

(I don't want to be annoying but I really like this topic sorry)

there's quite a big discussion on pdb about Seb's type, as Red Bull Seb acts different from Ferrari/Aston Martin Seb. I haven't seen too many interviews from rb seb, but from what I understand people used to 'villanize' him a lot, so that would have changed people's view on his personality. as I said, idk.

also there's a lot of confusion on Carlos' type, as I've seen estp, istp, esfp and other for him. people said that in dts he clearly had an introverted perspective, but I'm not very sure. I would have to see him in situations like meeting new people maybe, because as I see it he acts quite neutral in the c² challenges and other interviews.

Lando is a clear enfp to me, I'm not so sure about Daniel as I see him more as an esfp.

Checo as isfj is hard for me to see since he seems to have more of a 'rebellious' attitude than Charles. I'm not saying isfj can't be rebellious, I just think that their attitude towards their team making a decision that is bad for them (checo - red bull - Spain (I think) this year vs charles - ferrari - Hungary this year) is sightly different. Checo had no problem in blaming the team (not aggressively, just mentioning it) but Charles seems to have this 'devotion' for Ferrari (that I understand as it's the team of his dreams etc) that somehow makes him impossible to put the blame on them, at least publicy. this might also be because of career experience, idk

and well there are more drivers but I think that was enough jskdk I know the basics about cognitive functions and I haven't visited pdb in a while so this analysis is not very professional

it's okay don't worry it's not annoying at all! i'm really glad there's this intersection of interests and with the rising number of girlies(gn) i'm surprised no one brought it up yet.

seb: okay seb. at first i wanted more evidence he was infj but eventually through my own "investigation"/j, i now agree. i'd even argue it's possible he always has been.

hear me out. it's possible he has been gaslight gatekeep girlbossing us into thinking his personality is truly whatever it was in rbr, but it could be his personality no. 2223343323. his fe probably enhanced the social camouflagery.

ni seems to play a huge part. like this interview, where he got a bit lost trying to put into words how nascar and f1 are different through the use of tennis and badminton metaphors. in one answer sheet, he's written intuition as something essential — oh if i go on this would be so long but i am Convinced. he probably just made the infj-ness more manifest as he matured. to me, his retirement speech was An INFJ Ultimatum — the curiosity for passionate and skilled individuals, most especially the future-orientedness in connection to the grand scheme of things. very infj methinks.

carlos, lando and daniel: another thing i have to look into. but for lando and daniel, i could see it!

checo: nice compare and contrast for two potential isfjs! true, checo's "loyalty" isn't as fervent as charles isfj brand of loyalty despite being royally screwed over 😭😭. in fact, in drivers briefings, the ones that are still up, he was pretty vocal about matters so. i'd have to look into that too.

thank you thank you so much for this wonderful ask! it was really fun analyzing where stand in the mbti. hope more people can pitch in to the disc. soon!

[hakuoyuki]

Hey Satomi, do you know about the mbti? I would like to know what type do you think the Ikepri characters have! If you don't know, you can see them on the "pdb personality" page. Thx!

I'll only list out the types if you don't mind! These are all based on the suitors (and MC) as I know them in the JP version.

Jin - INFJ

Chevalier - INTJ

Clavis - He's such a hugely complex character and I had a hard time narrowing the personality type to one. But if I had to chose, after completing his route fully, ISFP would be the closest to who Clavis really is. How he portrays himself leans toward ENTP, ISTP, and even ENFP. But if we look beyond just the outside and come to really understand Clavis... he's ISFP.

Leon - ENFJ

Yves - At a glance he seems like an ISFP. But ESFJ is more of who he is.

Licht - He's more or less an INFP. However, Licht has his... "circumstances" so... not everything are gonna... align.

Nokto - ENTP

Luke - ENFP

Sariel - ISTJ

Rio - I suppose ENFP is the closest given what we know about him in his "amnesiac" state

Gilbert - ENTJ

Keith - INFP & ....? (Not enough is known about his "beast" side yet)

Silvio - ......? (Not enough is known to make a conclusion yet)

JP version's MC - Her personality type varies depending on which suitor's MC we're talking about here. Some of the suitor's MC are INFJ, while others are INFP, ISFP, or even ISFJ.

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That's for the Character's Personality Type!

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As for the suitor's type in their preferred romantic interest (I said "preferred romantic interest" because a certain suitor actually said he "have no interest in women and such" "gender doesn't matter")... IkePri JP actually got these "Commu Function" in which the story for reaching the suitor's Commu Level 8 are exactly about this (the title of the story is called "Preference in Women").

However, while I've unlocked most already... I'm still stuck on Level 7 for Yves, Level 5 for Luke and Sariel, and Level 4 for Rio. With Act 2 starting on Dec 20, I have a feeling Gilbert, Keith, and Silvio are going to be added as well. So Anon, I hope you don't mind me keeping your ask for the day when I reached Commu Level 8 for all 13 suitors so I can answer this question with complete canon info for all of them 👀👌

As for what the Commu Function I'm talking about is....

→ Re: What is IkePri's Commu Function

[funkymbtifiction]

Hey! I hope you're doing well!

I just wanted to ask about Elsa's type, kind of. If I went with solely from what I watched, I'd argue ISTJ too, but on PDB the consensus seems to be largely ISTJ, so I'm curious - what's your personal opinion of the arguments there for INFJ? They're in-depth and well-written, so I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on them.

Have a good day :)

Largely INFJ, you mean?

To be an intuitive, you need to show intuition -- accurately reading between the lines and hypothesizing accurately about something you know "nothing" about. Intuition fills in the blanks and leaps ahead to form speculations the intuitive then treats as reality. This is why intuitives seem either mystical or irrational to most people; they are operating off unchecked assumptions about everything.

Elsa has no suspicions about Hans or any sense that there's anything fake about him; she just thinks marrying someone you just met is stupid. SPOILER. The entire second movie is about her gradually figuring out she's the Fourth Spirit, something that would occur to an N type way earlier, because it's an obvious possibility and visible pattern. An INFJ plot line would be her hearing about that, becoming convinced that's what she is, having others say that's absurd and she has no evidence for it, and then running off to prove it. Elsa doesn't catch onto it quickly, she doesn't speculate about it, she just has a "sense" that she needs to find out more about her past, her parents, and this strange connection she has to nature. Low/weak N. Plus, her obsession with familial ties is deeply connected to the desire for and connection to permanence of Si using types.

She shows no Fe. Ever. Not once. Elsa makes no decision actually considering how her sister feels about anything and never tries to explain any of her decisions to anyone; it's all "how I feel about it," which is Fi. In the first film, she doesn't explain to her sister why she can't marry a man she just met 5 minutes ago or ask her about her feelings; she just says that's stupid, and the answer is No. Bam. Te shutdown. She never tries to explain to Anna why she suddenly can't play with her anymore, she just hides in her room, listening to her sister beg her through the door, and never says a word. She runs off into the woods, where she sings a Fi mantra -- I'm gonna whatever I want!! I can be alone and be myself!!! :) :) :) In the second film, she again runs off to do her own thing, with no interest in what others feel about it.

She can't be a feeler, either, because it took her (again) the entire first movie to realize how she controls her powers is... through her feelings. That's poor N and poor F. An intuitive would have gone through a dozen different possible ways to control their powers, and tried them all, and kept generating ideas. Instead, she just doesn't do anything -- a failure of high Te and poor N, because she can't see any other reality other than the one she's in. When given a chance at freedom, she goes back to doing what she always did -- sit in a castle alone. The second movie allows her to be more adventurous and creative and develop her Fi, but she's still an ISTJ.

ISTJs can be cool Disney heroines too. :P

[bthump]

what do you think about griffiths mbti? (or some other typologies)

there are a lot of entj voices on pdb, but when you start to read their argument, it is simply obvious that they absolutely did not understand the character

Unfortunately I'll have to disappoint you here because I don't know anything about those personality types and I'm not up for researching them to be able to answer this with any confidence. I’ve never really been into personality sorting things in general lol, I wouldn’t be able to assign astrology signs to characters or whatever else either.

Thanks for asking, sorry I couldn't give you an answer!

[fukasenanairo]

How to do this....

Thank you for taking time to reply. I apologize for not being able to keep this short - it seems I have more to say than I realized. I'll take a best efforts to organize this into sections and pray the rambling does not get too out of left field.

However, it seems that I'll end up doing something unexpected again. I do apologize beforehand.

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TO ANSWER, yes, I've read most of the arguments on PDB. Only for Neuvillette now that I think of it, and maybe Cyno. Unsurprisingly, I'm not interested in any other type. So I have read the ones you have up there, and I've read Jung and Pierce and everything else, but I must confess sometimes my eyes glaze over at the theories. Regrettably, I also often find my eyes glossing over the specific Character Story you mentioned, since that's one of the ones with (in my view) more allegories and metaphors. So I understand your arguments in principle, but I will unfortunately not be able to add much to them.

(It's not that metaphors are difficult. Metaphors simply require an additional layer of deciphering that most often turns out to be incorrect - or at the very least, not a faithful representation of the intent, because each person perceives meaning in a different way. In short, they are difficult. I have a problem with words.)

However, there must be something I can do. So this is my efforts to take note of things that 'make sense', and try to explain WHY they make sense in a personal capacity. I'll try to avoid arguments that were already brought up on PDB.

Let's go back to the Character Story you brought up:

"In that case, why don't you just watch over the Fontainians? They were born from the Primordial Sea, after all. That makes them part of this planet's native life, too, and a form of life that requires your care."

The previous paragraphs clearly define "the human realm" and "fate" as systems belonging to the present rulers of the world, and the (natural) conclusion is that Neuvillette has no need to concern himself over them. This quote does not overturn this principle (which would be ridiculously difficult), but uses his own definitions to argue that unlike "the human realm" which is perceived as alien for reasons et al, "Fontainians", as 'the planet's native life', are under his purview. Hence, it makes sense. This is partly what was meant in my ask.

(I would desperately want to see who said this, btw. The kind of person who can get the Hydro Dragon to care for Fontainians on a logical technicality is nothing short of a genius. And clearly he is convinced! For all he says about 'pleasing rhetoric'.)

(In case that was not obvious, I was the person who sent the ask. Forgive the rudeness - I have not returned to Tumblr in upwards of seven years.)

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ON THE DIFFERENCE OF TI V. TE. I've worked with several (assumed) Te doms in my life, and a consistent pattern I have noticed is that, the conclusion being equal, the path each of us uses to rationalize it is completely different.

Clearly I'd need an illustration to my hypothesis - simple abstract theory drives me nuts. Let us take for granted that Ti is present in Neuvillette's judgement in Callas' trial (incidentally, I agree). Thus here is a thought experiment: What if, for example, it had been a Te-dom (say, Wriothesley) presiding over Callas' trial?

In this thought experiment, we have the following pieces of information:

A: All evidence points to Callas being guilty. Callas himself does not contradict this accusation.

B: The judge feels a hunch that something is amiss.

For convenience's sake, let us assume that the end result does not change; B is discarded, A is taken as the truth, and the judge does not stop Callas' duel. I'm modelling the Te course of action based on the incident where Wriothesley has 'a hunch' that Lyney and co. are up to no good in the Fortress of Meropide, thus in this hypothetical situation I would imagine:

Te: Gathers information to ascertain the validity of B. (The method of information gathering, Si or Ni, does not matter). "All I care about is the answer." In this case, no usable information comes up, and B is discarded.

Ti: (May also gather information). In addition, B, which implies that Callas is innocent and thus willingly walking to his death (a point against Ne, since he does not bother entertaining possibilities like Callas being suicidal or having a terminal disease - which in this case is the truth), is tested against the principle, "Nothing is more important than one's continued survival". B does not follow the principle, and is thus discarded.

While the end result does not change, the paths used to get there are different (almost an extra step for Ti). Incidentally, we see the pitfalls of each type: Te relies on an incomplete presentation of the facts, and Ti dismisses the truth based on a false premise.

On a side note, this is why Ti is more troublesome than it's worth - it has a stunning lack of respect for fact-checking. From a Ti-Se perspective, all information is taken in as is, therefore all information is (if not already taken as fact, ignored of their "factualness") "data points". Data points are used to draw, test, and extrapolate against, a line-of-best-fit (the principle).

To make it worse, extrapolation against this line-of-best-fit are usually wrong. Take Neuvillette's story quest, Carole's case. A very simple description of the facts are:

A Melusine, Carole, is harmed.

Carole takes her own life. Neuvillette learns of a conspiracy.

Neuvillette internalizes the principle that 'Factions against him will harm Melusines to get to him'. The implication is that 'If a Melusine is harmed (A), then it is possibly a conspiracy to get to him (B)'.

Now, at the beginning, we have the following:

A Melusine, Kiara, is threatened (this is not even A - simply a precursor to A!)

Armed with the principle, Neuvillette immediately assumes there is a conspiracy targeted at him and acts as if this is the likeliest possibility. (Precursor) A equals B, with stunningly little room to consider other possibilities, actual contexts, or even to withhold theories and judgments. Obviously in the end Wriothesley calls him an overthinking idiot in not so many words. (Poetic justice, that a Te-dom is the first to do so! Certainly brings to mind the many painful occasions being told 'Have you considered this instead?? Have you checked your sources??' by the various Te-doms in my life).

In his (or dare I say mine?) defense, what constitutes a "fact"? Consider the below exchange:

Neuvillette: "Distinct differences exist between the waters of each area. You'll appreciate their intricacies once you taste them carefully." Paimon: "Really? Let Paimon try..." Neuvillette: "What do you think?" Paimon: "Nope, Paimon couldn't taste any difference at all! Isn't this just normal water?" Neuvillette: lol skill issue "How regrettable. It seems like you still have a long way to go in refining your tastes."

Paimon: the audacity of this lizard

Here the taste is taken as a natural fact. He is convinced that Paimon would understand once she tastes it - it is, after all, fact - and is genuinely flummoxed that she doesn't. Obviously none of us are Hydro Dragons or water nerds, but that's an us problem.

I posit that it is also why there is, in general, almost a devaluation of what I called "factualness" earlier - facts to one are not facts to others and vice versa. Hence there are no real facts; all facts are data points. With enough accommodation to the speaker's perspective, all data points are equal in the eyes of the beholder.

Neuvillette: "This bears a striking resemblance to the Fountain of Lucine. Sadly, the water here comes from a different source, so there is, of course, no way to replicate the taste. Nevertheless, prior experience tells me that to most people, the visual similarity alone would be enough to prompt them to say a phrase such as: "This area has a very Fountain of Lucine flavor." ...My cup is empty. May I avail myself of your fountain?"

To me it is all very obvious, and so I find reiterating the point to be not only redundant but also dangerous. I'm also at significant risk of trying to fit a square peg to a round hole. But here goes.

The fountain resembles the Fountain of Lucine (an objective, dispassionate observation, almost a point against Si)

However, the water comes from a different source (again, an objective observation) -> therefore the taste is not the same (implication).

Nevertheless, here he hypothesizes (in the weirdest way possible) that visual similarity may imply flavor similarity.

Test out the hypothesis, also with the weirdest excuse possible. (As if the Hydro Dragon cannot conjure water out of thin air!)

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IT IS, to me, infinitely amusing that a character that follows law and order is typed Te almost by default. While empirical, almost all the Te users I know skirt the law in the name of convenience, or some other rationale I cannot comprehend. It is the Ti users who evaluate the reasonableness of the laws and, should they pass muster, hold themselves to these laws with little to no exception (to our detriment). Why? Because once these laws pass muster, they are considered a principle. Principles, which imply that they are applicable to people at large and are for the greater good, must be followed. To do otherwise is to undermine the entire framework, to say much less of social good, and that just won't do.

Speaking of social good:

Neuvillette: "And by the way, I should probably let you know, even though I would prefer not to... There's someone sitting up there in the VIP seats that has been striking a pose for quite a while now... I believe she's trying to give you a most elegant and impressive first impression. So I think you should take notice of her (Ti) sooner rather than later, otherwise she may become flustered (Fe)."

I really do wonder what a Fi or Te user makes of this paragraph, whether they would question it. To me there is no question - another thing that makes sense.

'I'd rather not bring this up, but you should take notice of her'. Not because 'Disrespecting the Hydro Archon is a big deal' (hi, Wriothesley), not because 'it is rude not to pay attention to her' (and in the first place he'd rather not!), or anything else. It is because 'she will become flustered'. It is about her feelings, her responses would be a deviation from the current (social) atmosphere; and therefore it would not do.

Neuvillette: "Very good, that is for the best. No need to pay her any more attention, we may now enjoy the show."

The beautiful simplicity of Ti. It considers a problem Fe brought up (she may become flustered and that's bad), posits a solution (pay attention to her) then once solution is carried out -> problem is solved. Clean as a chemical reaction, if not for the fact that this exchange is completely absurd in reality.

(Incidentally, much as I've learned to conduct myself in social settings, this is basically what my social principles boil down to. Clean and simple; 'tell a funny story', 'focus on this and that part', 'remember to have a conclusion so they remember what you were saying', et cetera. Almost mechanical in nature. It even works.)

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CONCLUSION...There is none, perhaps, hence there is no need to reply if you'd even read this far. Maybe simply take this as an empirical account, or more likely an endless, unscientific ramble. I find myself trying to explain processes that feel as simple as 1+1=2 over and over, so I can't even say that the entire exercise has been helpful - other than being a puff piece I can look back and firm up on my vagueish ideas with from time to time.

I hope this was at least interesting to read and mull over a little. If you managed to get something out of this blurby, vague, inexplicable fever dream, all the better.

(Incidentally, my personality in real life is impulsive, slightly (rather?) lazy, a bit careless, but notably chirpy - not a social butterfly, but a social something. A cosmic comedy, no doubt, how THIS character out of all is the mirror to which I'm comparing my thought processes!)

(I hope you understand now why 500 characters were not enough)

Just wanted to pass by to tell you that I loved your analysis of Neuvillette's type on PDB! Full disclosure, my opinion is subject to intense bias since I'm an ISTP myself (~90% certainty) however I hope this is at least some validation for your part. It's amusing since his behaviors are significantly different from mine, and yet his words all 'make sense', for lack of a better word. Contrast to Wriothesley, who elicits a 'well he's right, buuuut...' feeling. Difficult to describe in 500 charas.

Hello kind stranger ! This was a very unexpected ask i'll say, even though I suppose my username IS exactly the same on PDB as it is here, making me quite easy to find in practice haha

I'm really happy my comment made sense to you ! Even now, I still firmly believe everything I wrote, and particularly that Neuvillette is a high Ti user. I don't know if you've read it, but I think there's another very good example of his Ti in his character story 5; when he describes his opinion on constellation and "fate"

One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him. After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings. Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm," and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate."

I think this is another good example that, at the end of the day, Neuvillette's thinking process is closer to Ti than it is to Te. There is a lot of "If Y, then logically following from this premise we can conclude X" when we're actually given the opportunity to delve into his mind. Pierce made the distinction between Ti & Te this way:

→ « Introverted Thinking — judgement based on what is subjectively denoted; i.e. a priori analysis; e.g. “If you accept my definition of 'murderer', then you must conclude with me that Colonel Mustard is one.” »

→ Extraverted Thinking — judgement based on what is objectively denoted; i.e. empirical science; e.g. “We all see the evidence (bloody hands, scene of the crime, etc.) therefore, we must all conclude that Colonel Mustard is Mr. Body's murderer.”

And I think that if we look at how Neuvillette thinks "for himself", beyond his role of judge where he is supposed to follow the laws, he really does fit the former more. Another example I developed somewhere else on his page that even Vautrain's trial shows this tendency imo ! Forgive me for this copy-past and ramble haha, this was in answer to someone asking how exactly Neuvillette could be "impartial" but have a subjective function as dominant, & my answer went like this:

This impartiality & "objectivity" while being subjective is further shown in his story quest. Despite Vautrain being one of the people he is closest to, he does not treat him differently from others in the court. but his judgment is still subjective, as evidenced by the ease with which he considers "different kinds of justice" during the trial. Te users, due to their "inherent" objectivity, often think that everyone with the same information should come to the same objective conclusion, while Ji users do not. Pierce described… Te : “We all see the evidence (bloody hands, scene of the crime, etc.) therefore, we must all conclude that Colonel Mustard is Mr. Body's murderer.” Ti : “If you accept my definition of 'murderer', then you must conclude with me that Colonel Mustard is one.” The way Neuvillette approaches that trial shows that for him, laws are simply a "definition", a logical premise from which a logical conclusion follow in the context of a trial.

Neuvillette: I acknowledge your arguments. Vautrin, your revenge could be seen as a form of justice. Neuvillette: I understand your decision. Which is why I cannot help but feel regret… and even grief about the judgment I must now impose. Neuvillette: However, personal justice does not equate to justice as defined by the law. To execute your plan for revenge, you abused your authority and conducted informal executions. Your actions have thus violated the law. Neuvillette: Therefore, you will be declared… guilty.

Neuvillette personally understands Vautrain's actions, and even "agrees" that depending on your definition of justice, his actions can be seen as just and right. However as the chief's justice, his job is to follow the established laws. And the way he describes that decision is how we can see the use of Ti despite his "following of the laws". Because the way it describes it pretty much echoes the colonel Mustard example. -> Personal justice does not equate justice as defined by the law. If we can agree that this court judges whether actions are just or not depending on whether they follow the law, then we can see that your actions have violated it. This makes Vautrain, according to the law, guilty. This is basically what Neuvillette says, in subtext. And he stays impartial by holding strong to these kind of decisions despite personal feelings on the matter. It's his job, so he follows the rules of his job. What he personally thinks and how he takes decision outside of it though is a whole other matter.

I feel like Genshin has become much less stereotypical & much more interesting in his character writing as of late so Neuvillette is very dear to my heart on that subject ! And he's, as you implied, a very good reminder that MBTI is first and foremost a system that deals with COGNITION and not behaviour. Thus it is how a character thinks, and not its actions, that should be examined to determine his MBTI type. Thank you again for taking the time to tell me here what you thought of my argument, it was unexpected but very much welcome <3 Hope these additions also make sense to you !

[yanderememes]

As an ENTP apparently my most compatible MBTI types are INTJ and INFJ so that’s Kars, Diavolo and Diego….. I- BESTIE IM SCARED

I- 🧎‍♀️

INTJs are SOOOOO SEXY, I LOVE INTJs!!! (Giorno is one 😳)

okay, this is gonna be a long post (cuz you brought MBTI and Jojo in this, which I fucking LOVE) so I'll put it under the cut

!Disclaimer! All types can get along so long as you're both healthy and willing to understand each other! Please don't limit yourself to your "most compatible" type when looking to develop relationships with people

To answer your ask, ENTPs and INTJs can get along so well! In theory, it does make sense since you're each other's foils (Ne-Ni, Ti-Te, etc. Sorry if that doesn't make sense lol 😅). In reality, I think you would be able to bounce off each other a lot and there's great synergy. The ENTP's wits complied with the INTJ's blunt, smart-ass answers. Just imagine planning world domination together with Diavolo, Diego, and/or Kars and watching the world burn~

INTJs are almost always the villains in any story (along with ENTJ) but isn't that the appeal of them anyways???

They're slow burn but imo, it's so worth it because they're loyal for life. They're an asshole to the world, but a sweetheart only to you!

In terms of what an INTJ yandere would look like, they'd definitely be obsessed (but never outwardly show it) and EXTREMELY POSSESSIVE. For INTJs, they tend to have trouble understanding people's feelings and are pretty oblivious to the concept of love. So once they find someone who they can open their heart to, they'll gatekeep them till the day they die. Out of the billions of people in this world, YOU are the one they chose to be with. You think they're gonna let you go that easily?

As for INFJs? That'd have to be Pucci and Mikitaka.

Fun fact: INFJs are voted the most likely to be yanderes on PDB lol

Honestly, ENTP-INFJ relationships are so funny. It's literally the devil and angel mix. The ENTP is chaotic and will casually wreak havoc, while the INFJ will more peaceful, loving, and cleaning up after ENTP.

Similar to yandere INTJs, yandere INFJs are obsessive, possessive, but also MANIPULATIVE. INFJs have an uncanny ability to read and understand people. They'll know when you're lying, what you're actually feeling, and what you're thinking. You can't hide anything from them. A yandere INFJ could easily use this to their advantage and MAKE you fall in love with them and you would be none the wiser.

Just look at Pucci, he was able to look past Dio's cold exterior and bring out a gentle, loving, and almost human side from him. Dio actually felt understood and showed Pucci affection (I don't mean this romantically cuz there is debate on whether Pucci and Dio were lovers or just friends, but you can take it this way if you want). And that's just something INFJs are able to do. So just imagining how they use this skill as a yandere is terrifying (recall how Pucci influenced Dio's sons in part 6).

d1lftaro, you're really in for a treat cuz imo, INFJs, INTJs, and INFPs are most likely to be yanderes. And the fact that ENTPs are most compatible with INTJs and INFJs is just too funny.

[taecnoal]

F L O W E R S with Rengoku? [reader insert pls]

F = Family (do they want one? If they do, when?) Rengoku is definitely a family man! Have you met him? He would love to have a family with you, but he wants to wait until you're both comfortable and stable enough to start one. He understands if you don't want a family, but he's a bit sad about it.

L = Love (how do they show you they love you?) A lot of people say Rengoku would be big on physical affection, and I agree! I also think he's big on words of affirmation (seeing as he didn't get them often) and gift giving! Will give you hugs and let you know that he's always proud of you no matter what.

O = Oddity (what is one quirk they have?) He is constantly making some sort of noise. Humming, tapping his fingers on a nearby surface. Slightly unsheathing and resheathing his sword. When he's not laughing or talking he's tapping his foot, clicking his tongue, snapping. Etc, etc. W = Warrior (how do they feel about you fighting? Would they fight for you, beside you, etc?) If he thinks you can handle it, he's totally okay with you fighting, and would love nothing more than to fight alongside you. If he feels that you're not ready yet, he will fight for you more than he will fight alongside you.

E = Emotions (how do they express emotion around you?) He's mostly verbal with his emotions, but it can get physical too (not in a bad way). When he's tired he'll come lay on top of you, when he's excited he'll pick you up. Happiness warrants kisses, sadness warrants his head on your shoulder.

R = Rhythm (what song reminds you of them?)

Let the sun in, Open up your blinds, Come on let it shine, Come on let the sun in, sun in...

S = Secrets (how open are they with you?) I personally believe Rengoku has NO brain to mouth filter, so he tells you literally everything. I think if he was asked to keep a secret, he'd take it to the grave, but other than that, it's free game. Extremely open about everything.

[roach-works]

hello! my stimulus check just came so i was wondering if there's a way to buy a pdf or epub version of after the storm since my ereader doesn't play nicely with the kindle format. also, i was hoping to ask if you'd be ok with me binding up a copy as a fancy hardcover purely for my own amusement, as i'm making myself a little queer library during quarantine. thanks!

Copied from smashwords: “Available ebook formats: epub mobi pdf lrf pdb txt html” so i think you’re good to read our book however you like! Also, we’ve been asked before if it’s okay to print and bind our book for a personal hardcopy, and the answer is an enthusiastic hell yes! Please let us see the printed out version when you’re done, that’s exciting. Also feel free to send us pics of the rest of your queer library, as we are also queer and also quarantined.